When they got into submarines I wondered if it was going to be like that exploding dogs plan, and the seagulls would just flock to the British subs instead.
I assume this plan was meant to be put into action around Britain's coasts, where any British subs would not be trying to hide but would instead be running surfaced and flying the White Ensign.
Couple of pedantic points: At that time not called SONAR but ASDIC. Submarine telescopes are not bent at the top, but cylindrical, with a view port in the side near the top. If they were bent they wouldn't fit back down the hole in the sub whence they came.
immediate response after the first reading of the question: windsock! the gulls would eat while airborne, and you could judge wind strength by ....how much flapping there was? or something?
"this is what you get for training seagulls" no, Sabrina, this is what you get for trying to take advantage of the proud lineage of modern dinosaurs! the mammalian hegemony shall fall by its own beaks i mean hands!
If I recall correctly, they were also a very effective idea in real life too. But similar to this scenario, they were made obsolete before they really needed to be deployed.
Seagull Patrol ⚓️ Pigions have genius level visual pattern recognition, which seems amazing, where is the brain for it?! and yet they can do visual pattern recognition tasks that seem all but impossible, maybe even beyond the level that humans can. It's in order to recognise where they are when flying high above the landscape and looking down.
I wonder if the plan backfired like the Soviet anti tank dogs Tom mentioned on Citation Needed, where they'd train them on British submarines and they'd only land on their periscopes
...Hm, probably not. They were using a pipe and training the Seagull to just adjust to the shape of a periscope, not a real periscope. This sounds like a spectacularly bad way to train birdbrains for *other* reasons.
(SPOILER) Without knowing the schedule for these recordings it's very funny to see Sabrina go all in on "You could just go injure a bird" after Tom suggested so in the episode two weeks prior.
Initial thoughts were something to do with Identifying tool use of birds Gulls aren't a kind of bird that I would assume used tools? But then when they said war time I thought detecting periscopes of German U-boats
Oh, I was WAY off. I thought it would be the same principle of that guy riling a bunch of gulls up by not letting them have his chips/crisps and then throwing the packet into a train car - with all the gulls following - right before the automatic doors closed and the train took off. I thought it was gonna be that they would sneak up to enemy ships, cascade them with gull feed and then enjoy/take advantage of the chaos somehow. On second thought, that kind of warfare would work better in a cartoon.
My guess, almost certainly going to be wrong. The seagull's cries while feeding where interfering with wartime acoustic aircraft (zeppelin) detection, and the 90 degree bend in the feeding tube directed those cries off in a non-interfering direction.
5:24 speaking of bats, the US experimented with bat bombs. The "bombs" would be dropped at dawn and a parachute would slow the fall. Then the bats would be released. Each bat had a small incendiary bomb attached. The idea would be these bats would fly into buildings to roost and them the bombs would go off burning down the buildings. It was determined to be an effective weapon system producing more fires than standard bombs of the time, but was ultimately cancelled because it wouldn't be ready for deployment until mid-1945.
didnt they once loose a bunch of those bats and burned an american town nearby down? also it was specifically targeting the japanese with their wooden houses i believe.
I had a way darker idea than what it ended up being Diesel subs run on batteries when submerged but they can't turn on their engines when underwater so they can go to periscope depth and charge the batteries there What I thought was that the seagulls would look for food in the air intake, get sucked in and cause engine problems, thus disabling submarines
Another reason this would not have worked, even if they had in fact managed to train the gulls to get food from a periscope: the gulls would not have made a distinction between enemy and friendly submarine.... ;-)
No, but you would know where your own submarines were. Or at least have a rough idea. This is for spotting submarines where there aren't supposed to be any. The same can be said for sonar.
Having just checked that the events in a previous video were too early for WWI: I suspect is has something to do with training birds to disable ships at sea.
I'm not entirely sure why this is Tom's favourite question in a while, I mean obviously that's very subjective so we don't have to agree, but I feel like the answer, particularly of why it became obsolete, was very obvious and not very satisfying.
I don't think it's the answer, but the way the question is phrased. "We have birds, we have a pipe that bends, and we have obsolescence. Figure it out."
Taha and Sabrina saying "telescope" and "peephole!" in unison twice in a row there
I can't help but think the Tech Dif gang would do a great version of this!
right! Lateral × Technical Difficulties special when?!
🛡SPOILER SHIELD🛡
You dropped this 👑
Thank you for your service
THANK YOU
Yassss 😎
Thanks!
When they got into submarines I wondered if it was going to be like that exploding dogs plan, and the seagulls would just flock to the British subs instead.
I assume this plan was meant to be put into action around Britain's coasts, where any British subs would not be trying to hide but would instead be running surfaced and flying the White Ensign.
Really missed an opportunity to say "MK Gulltra"
Charity from Tom there
Yeah, totally.
They: [not getting it]
Tom: You basically got it. They were trying to find submarines.
Melissa, later: How would that hide submarines?
Couple of pedantic points:
At that time not called SONAR but ASDIC.
Submarine telescopes are not bent at the top, but cylindrical, with a view port in the side near the top. If they were bent they wouldn't fit back down the hole in the sub whence they came.
"That's Taha? Yeah, I'll click... IT'S ALL OF THEM?! YESSS!!"
Any chance you could do some more 2 of these people are lying? its 100% my fav techdif series :D
I thought they were targeting the "snorkels" that diesel submarines used, but those weren't used until WWII
This one clip has so many great scenes. 😂.
Again, my brain jumped straight to periscope when he described the long tube
other one was apparently a different question and it got unlisted xD
The first one that I got immediately without hearing or reading about it beforehand !
immediate response after the first reading of the question: windsock! the gulls would eat while airborne, and you could judge wind strength by ....how much flapping there was? or something?
Shoutout to anyone who came from the Tire video with the same title
I think there was something weird going on there...
Ahhhh that happend
"this is what you get for training seagulls"
no, Sabrina, this is what you get for trying to take advantage of the proud lineage of modern dinosaurs! the mammalian hegemony shall fall by its own beaks i mean hands!
I for one welcome our avian overlords
Homing pigeons were a very effective idea... in Worms!
If I recall correctly, they were also a very effective idea in real life too.
But similar to this scenario, they were made obsolete before they really needed to be deployed.
Oh dear!
From what I've seen, no, not really, they were pretty terrible in Worms.
Seagull Patrol ⚓️
Pigions have genius level visual pattern recognition, which seems amazing, where is the brain for it?! and yet they can do visual pattern recognition tasks that seem all but impossible, maybe even beyond the level that humans can. It's in order to recognise where they are when flying high above the landscape and looking down.
Lateral with the Answers In Progress gang is always a highlight.
So wherever you seagulls, you have a submarine? 😆
Lots of sub activity near fish and chips shops lately...
Is that a "seagulls" vs "see gulls" pun? 😀
@@cannot-handle-handles Oh, I would never have the gull to make such an awful pun as that's just for the birds.
I wonder if the plan backfired like the Soviet anti tank dogs Tom mentioned on Citation Needed, where they'd train them on British submarines and they'd only land on their periscopes
...Hm, probably not. They were using a pipe and training the Seagull to just adjust to the shape of a periscope, not a real periscope.
This sounds like a spectacularly bad way to train birdbrains for *other* reasons.
We need special Holiday Episodes of the low budget Tech Diff videos.
Its purpose: To feed gulls.
Why it became obsolete: Gulls can feed themselves.
I think I know this, I'll wait and see...😏
I was right! Yeah, hilarious, and genius and SO stupid at the same time!😂😂
Neil Oliver tried to repeat the experiment on the television show Coast. It west as well as expected.
and then he joined GBnews
(SPOILER)
Without knowing the schedule for these recordings it's very funny to see Sabrina go all in on "You could just go injure a bird" after Tom suggested so in the episode two weeks prior.
No, no, my dear... This is what you get for THINKING you can TRY to train gulls.😅
I wonder if the Board of Invention and Research became the Board of Invention and Research Department, and their invention was called the BIRD feeder.
Initial thoughts: to study the beak length of wild gulls? But why obsolete? The great war was ongoing at the time... but I've got nothing.
Initial thoughts were something to do with
Identifying tool use of birds
Gulls aren't a kind of bird that I would assume used tools?
But then when they said war time I thought detecting periscopes of German U-boats
I have not yet watched but I feel the need to go on the record and say there is no reason at all to ever feel gulls.
I have not changed my mind.
@@lauxmyth Also bit rude to feel them. Then again, it is a bit rude of me to make fun of unfortunate typos.
@@cannot-handle-handles LOL.... but now I cannot edit or your comment will make no sense at all. I own that typo.
Oh, I was WAY off. I thought it would be the same principle of that guy riling a bunch of gulls up by not letting them have his chips/crisps and then throwing the packet into a train car - with all the gulls following - right before the automatic doors closed and the train took off.
I thought it was gonna be that they would sneak up to enemy ships, cascade them with gull feed and then enjoy/take advantage of the chaos somehow.
On second thought, that kind of warfare would work better in a cartoon.
My guess, almost certainly going to be wrong. The seagull's cries while feeding where interfering with wartime acoustic aircraft (zeppelin) detection, and the 90 degree bend in the feeding tube directed those cries off in a non-interfering direction.
This reminds me of the legendary MIT football prank.
1915? Gulls?!?!?! Uh oh, I think I might have to sit this one out.....
First guess: Periscope and Radar?
Oh, U-boats. Periscope detection.
I was so sure it was gonna be about poop and synthesizing nitrogen
Was it the periscope or the air feed engine? Because in 1915, submarines would not have much batteries and would run from combustion engines.
5:24 speaking of bats, the US experimented with bat bombs. The "bombs" would be dropped at dawn and a parachute would slow the fall. Then the bats would be released. Each bat had a small incendiary bomb attached. The idea would be these bats would fly into buildings to roost and them the bombs would go off burning down the buildings. It was determined to be an effective weapon system producing more fires than standard bombs of the time, but was ultimately cancelled because it wouldn't be ready for deployment until mid-1945.
didnt they once loose a bunch of those bats and burned an american town nearby down?
also it was specifically targeting the japanese with their wooden houses i believe.
Ah, the Batomic Bombs.
'Das Poop!' : )
I had a way darker idea than what it ended up being
Diesel subs run on batteries when submerged but they can't turn on their engines when underwater so they can go to periscope depth and charge the batteries there
What I thought was that the seagulls would look for food in the air intake, get sucked in and cause engine problems, thus disabling submarines
The snorkel wouldn't be invented for a generation, though.
Poetic elk 22
@39 seconds in , figure its periscopes,
Gull where?
In 1915 most of Britain had their mind on the War ... fought in trenches
Spoilers
So, my first guess is, 1915, war, submarines, periscopes, training gulls to indicate where they are for the puspose of. Rate my guess below.
I buried a dead baby gull today so my thoughts just went that the scheme killed all the birds
They should have trained crows. Seagulls are dumb.
ahem..
*_wheels_*
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Another reason this would not have worked, even if they had in fact managed to train the gulls to get food from a periscope: the gulls would not have made a distinction between enemy and friendly submarine.... ;-)
And more modern subs dont have a bend in the periscope.. so you would atleast have to retrain them try and feed from a different target.
No, but you would know where your own submarines were. Or at least have a rough idea. This is for spotting submarines where there aren't supposed to be any.
The same can be said for sonar.
I love Sabrina in this one! She's my kind of crazy :) She might also do well as a guest on some TechDiff stuff
Is there something strange happening with this episode and UA-cam?
lol this group just thinks different.
Ok I don't want to be mean but wow.. These panellists would make great flat earthers.
Having just checked that the events in a previous video were too early for
WWI: I suspect is has something to do with training birds to disable ships at sea.
Melissa a bit off her game today.
2:11 "honing pigeon" 🤦♂
I'm not entirely sure why this is Tom's favourite question in a while, I mean obviously that's very subjective so we don't have to agree, but I feel like the answer, particularly of why it became obsolete, was very obvious and not very satisfying.
I don't think it's the answer, but the way the question is phrased. "We have birds, we have a pipe that bends, and we have obsolescence. Figure it out."
Sabrina Cruz talks too much!
It was Def a matter of time before they found other seagulls. READ: see-gulls. I guess this ruined the joke but whatever. idc