Besides all of his trophies, I think Faker also inspired a lot of young kids to become pro players. He is also the reason for many of us to start playing, keep playing and watching LoL for decades. Even though we have graduated from college, have jobs and don't play League anymore, we still want to follow him enjoying his time. The day Faker retires is the day I say goodbye with League completely, and I am sure many people are with me. His legacy has been the biggest part in the success of LoL until now. That's why he's no doubt the GOAT
@@syberdieforlove My father's 60 year old korean colleagues who should know absolutely nothing about the world of eSports know the name "Faker". I think that speaks volumes.
Bengi is a relic of the past that retired after his prime. Faker deserves so much respect for still being around almost a decade later where other players pop in and out like they're the flavour of the season. Only Rookie comes close to doing the same in the midlane.
@@trh3xa174 I never said he wasn't. MaRin also had amazing synergy with Bengi, who knew that MaRin was toplane Faker, so he focused a lot on topside, which shows how versatile Bengi. Season 5 was supposed to be Bengi's worst year because it wasn't his champion pool's meta, yet he proved everyone wrong.
Faker's Resume (and I probably missed a lot): 3 World's, 2 MSI, 1 IEM, and 9 LCK Titles. Also won All-Stars in 2014 Inspired millions of people to play League. Singlehandedly caused nerfs to the Summoner spell 'Ghost' and caused changes in both the meta and game state. Remained active for 8-9 years and still contends with the best of the best. When people give nicknames they sometimes use Faker's name (Caps= Baby Faker, Abbedagge = Fakerdagge) Beating Faker was seen as an Endgame achievement for all Mid Laners for roughly a 4 year period (2013-2017) Showmaker, the best Mid laner in LCK and one of the best Mid laners in the world pays homage to Faker and attributes his drive to play League to Faker. I can go on but you get it. Saying Faker is the GOAT of League of Legends is like saying the grass is green or the Earth is round, but just like Flat-Earthers, there are always people who try to deny facts.
The league of legends that was played in season 3 is almost like an entire different game from the one we play now 8 years later. I think people doesn't fully realize how many concepts and fundamentals have been established in the game since those time. This only makes me think that Faker is truly a genius for still being considered one of the best midlaners in the world
I think he's one of the few pro-players who's actually IN LOVE with the game and legitimately enjoys playing it at the highest level. While all that 'for the love of the game' stuff is pretty corny, it really does show over the long term. Just look at how much soloque he plays compared to other pro-players and the diversity of champions he plays.
It’s just privilege for me to watch him still play at this level. You know, I still watch him with so much joy and excitement even though he reached that status of a goat years ago. Of course you have “mechanically” better players now, but those are fresh newcomers who just reap through the game. New champions, meta shifts just like that, of course it’s a bit harder but they all still want to beat him, which should tell you something. Certified goat!
Faker was the reason patches were made to champs/items/map/objectives throughout s4-s5 to remove 1v9ing capabilities. That is why we have such a team focused gameplay meta from then on. I remember Faker being the only midlaner that mastered ability stringing in pro play, such as that of a fighting game. Like leblanc dashing in and quick firing all abilities in under a second. Back then people did not cast abilities like that until Faker showcased it in pro play. Thats why if you look at old faker pro vods all the ogn casters were popping off. Faker has accolades, longevity, and impact to league of legends. Hes definitely not the best anymore but I would not count him out of top5 during any season.
Bengi was not relevant before or after he played with Faker so i would say Caedrel was not close even when saying bengi is a goat contender, he was never even the best jungler in the OGN at the time.
Faker is the GOAT and Bengi is the most underrated player of all time! Poeple don't even mention his name when talking about the all time greats which is so disrespectful!
The fact that he's still crashing with monsters like chovy and showmaker shows that he's the goat. It's like MJ passing it to Kobe for the next generation.
Chovy is a better laner, as much as you can say about Showmaker, Doinb or Rookie. League has come this far that every year young talents emerge and old kings retire. Meanwhile Faker is a symbol. He represents so much more than a player worldwide. So many talents we have right now admits that they started playing because of the man. Many people in Korea knows him even before knowing anything about the game. Despite having all the trophies and the fame, he’s still trying to be better and prove himself. 8 years in a competitive scene he’s still very relevant. There’s no way he’s not the GOAT.
Chovy is the laning god now but faker in his prime wasn't called that because he was an overall god. He always stomps his opponent lanes back then that is why they develop that 3-4 man gank faker that time.
@@phamcuong9183 Bengi played his role man, he was never at the level of faker or uzi. Sure he facilitated faker and let him shine but you cannot put him close to faker or uzi
it doesnt matter if hes not top5 anymore he was the overall best player from 2013 to 2017 u could say so even if in 2017 he wasnt the best and was like the 2nd best or 3rd hes still the goat, showmaker, doinb and chovy are better than him since probably 2019 or 2020 but guess what? faker has been in the scene for so long plus he won worlds 3 times and he was the best player for multiple years so yes, right now hes not the best but hes still the goat by far actually, only one close to me is marin and even marin is still far from him.
@@Gurpreet-sv5zg Ah an excited fanboy xd, why do you disrespect these great players instead of appreciating the good competition, when even faker respects them, you are a disgrace and don't deserve to be a fan
The thing is Faker in his prime was ahead of his time. Faker even in his prime in current era won't be as dominance as he was couple seasons ago because of how much better players have gotten over the years.
I mean tho season 7 faker especially at worlds was really one of a kind. It's like the zed outplay kind of, which still looks insane mechanically even nowadays. And in that case it was just peak macro and stuff I mean he was just that well-rounded.
@@hierophace1830 faker in his prime, put today would take all your favorite players and put them in thr blender, tf are you smoking? The game has progressed in terms of overall gamestate, not neccesarily mechanical prowess, if anything you could argue it has declined in mechanics. When it comes to skill as a player, no player has ever been as good as faker in his prime. The dude would literally find openings no other player could ever find, he is the ultimate clutch factor
It’s really not even a debate. If you don’t agree you’re just wrong. He’s a lot like MJ in the sense that Faker single handedly changed the game and shaped the meta for so many years
I mean 3 Worlds Championships and 2 MSI. Back to back Worlds champion in 2015 and in 2016 Back to back MSI champion in 2016 and in 2017 Worlds MVP 2013 and 2016 9 LCK Championships And still playing out of his mind this year (Runner-up of LCK summer, 3rd seed of LCK at Worlds) Why is there even a debate? What?
Faker plays champions which are nerfed against buffed champs due to no coach telling them the proper draft but he still makes that champion look insane no one can make champion look as better like faker does.
There was a dude on this channel a while back who bitched in multiple comments and wrote me a damn essay about my opinion on FPX because it wasn’t a “hot take”. That dude is probably losing his mind at Caedrel’s opinion here being too popular lmfao. League players will always find something to upset them.
For chovy to be at fakers prime. He would be carrying most matches regardless of teammates. Just like faker carrys the team today regardless of him not being in his prime
@@AnwarKhan-nd6xx I disagree with that though. Back at fakers prime players skill level were not as high as it is now. Individual skill difference were more severe. In these days even a bottom tier mid laner can probably Go even with a top tier mid laner in lane
I think Faker has the best game vision in the world. He is able to find opportunities for example with Azir that no other players could. But in terms of mechanics and laning he is not as dominant as he used to be and some midlaners like Chovy are better.
I believe it's the playstyle where u play solely for lane dominance,get yourself the econ u need and try to 1v9... Or like faker where u constantly check on ur teammates on the map and react faster...it was nicely displayed in the t1 Vs hle....where chovy using his lane prowess to carry Vs faker who shurima shuffles to set his team up instead of sitting back and dealing constant damage as a typical hypercarry azir play
People forget faker won 3 worlds championship thats almost impossible to achieve i mean this year doinB and Showmaker have the chance to come a little close if they win again but even then they need another one lmao and faker still playing at least 2 more years so yeah good luck with that
Nah DoinB and Showmakers win's wont be close. Back in the day Faker was the best, SKT trampled through the competition, DoinB is great, showmaker is great. I'd say the only close comparison is Showmaker and DWG season last year, they were really dominant. But other than that nobody comes close to the dominance SKT had. They literally were the favorites year after year after year.
Idk if people just think it's cool to underrate faker or what. I just don't see any argument against him being the goat. The goat doesn't mean they're still at the top. It just means they were the best by the widest margin and longest time when compared to all the other greatest players
Why are we giving Faker's opponent a pass if they cant get on Faker's level? Shouldnt we just be praising Faker for being way ahead of his time instead? He was the best player for most of 2013-2017, and he was still an elite player till the 1st half of 2020. Doinb and Canyon will probably close the gap if they win Worlds. But still wont get near him, but on the level of Rookie, Uzi and Mata
@@yahyaselmi8645 smoking lol? With faker? Yeah he won three titles with faker but that wasn't becoz him it's faker he only won a title when he joined dk where daeny and him two world class champion coach where as faker went to finals with a different coaches and rosters , he even won lck spring 2020 that tells u the difference between faker's achievements and khoma lol.
He’s a goat because on top of his achievements it’s hard to stay relevant in E-sports. Players decline much faster in esports, in fact the best player might be washed up in a span of one or two years. The fact that faker can remain at the level of play he is now, is like Tom Brady winning Super Bowl or Christian Ronaldo or Messi still being the best despite their age.
Almost never in any scene or sport do you see someone who is both the goat in terms of peak AND longevity. Faker is likely the greatest esport player of all time at this point.
Besides all of his trophies, I think Faker also inspired a lot of young kids to become pro players. He is also the reason for many of us to start playing, keep playing and watching LoL for decades. Even though we have graduated from college, have jobs and don't play League anymore, we still want to follow him enjoying his time. The day Faker retires is the day I say goodbye with League completely, and I am sure many people are with me. His legacy has been the biggest part in the success of LoL until now. That's why he's no doubt the GOAT
I am with you
faker isnt the reason why i like to watch pro lol and play lol
A huge part of Korea's population also know Faker, he's everywhere there apparently. Commercials, billboards and such.
@@syberdieforlove My father's 60 year old korean colleagues who should know absolutely nothing about the world of eSports know the name "Faker". I think that speaks volumes.
Bengi is a relic of the past that retired after his prime. Faker deserves so much respect for still being around almost a decade later where other players pop in and out like they're the flavour of the season. Only Rookie comes close to doing the same in the midlane.
Still deserves to be talked about. Along with Faker, they’re the reason behind all of SKT’s first place at Worlds.
@@astraypersona MaRin might not have been a long time player for SKT but he was a big reason for their win during 2015.
@@astraypersona disrespectful to even compare the two, faker toptier player for 10 years, bengi 3. lol
@@trh3xa174 Marin in 2015 was like playing vs bronzes
@@trh3xa174 I never said he wasn't. MaRin also had amazing synergy with Bengi, who knew that MaRin was toplane Faker, so he focused a lot on topside, which shows how versatile Bengi. Season 5 was supposed to be Bengi's worst year because it wasn't his champion pool's meta, yet he proved everyone wrong.
Faker's Resume (and I probably missed a lot):
3 World's, 2 MSI, 1 IEM, and 9 LCK Titles. Also won All-Stars in 2014
Inspired millions of people to play League.
Singlehandedly caused nerfs to the Summoner spell 'Ghost' and caused changes in both the meta and game state.
Remained active for 8-9 years and still contends with the best of the best.
When people give nicknames they sometimes use Faker's name (Caps= Baby Faker, Abbedagge = Fakerdagge)
Beating Faker was seen as an Endgame achievement for all Mid Laners for roughly a 4 year period (2013-2017)
Showmaker, the best Mid laner in LCK and one of the best Mid laners in the world pays homage to Faker and attributes his drive to play League to Faker.
I can go on but you get it.
Saying Faker is the GOAT of League of Legends is like saying the grass is green or the Earth is round, but just like Flat-Earthers, there are always people who try to deny facts.
and then G2 fans trashing faker, omegalol, g2 fans are delusional.
is this even up for a debate? lol
Ikr, like.. the sky is blue. Ok? And?
The league of legends that was played in season 3 is almost like an entire different game from the one we play now 8 years later. I think people doesn't fully realize how many concepts and fundamentals have been established in the game since those time.
This only makes me think that Faker is truly a genius for still being considered one of the best midlaners in the world
I think he's one of the few pro-players who's actually IN LOVE with the game and legitimately enjoys playing it at the highest level. While all that 'for the love of the game' stuff is pretty corny, it really does show over the long term. Just look at how much soloque he plays compared to other pro-players and the diversity of champions he plays.
@@Poxyquotl also his obession to win is uncomparable even he has won many titles
@@lorenzjuhndomingo3393 tru
mashallah
Caedrel agrees grass is green
Not only that, he is humble and down to earth as well.
It’s just privilege for me to watch him still play at this level. You know, I still watch him with so much joy and excitement even though he reached that status of a goat years ago. Of course you have “mechanically” better players now, but those are fresh newcomers who just reap through the game. New champions, meta shifts just like that, of course it’s a bit harder but they all still want to beat him, which should tell you something. Certified goat!
agreee
Faker is the MJ of league. The impact he had on the game and how is impact changed league as we know it.
Faker was the reason patches were made to champs/items/map/objectives throughout s4-s5 to remove 1v9ing capabilities. That is why we have such a team focused gameplay meta from then on. I remember Faker being the only midlaner that mastered ability stringing in pro play, such as that of a fighting game. Like leblanc dashing in and quick firing all abilities in under a second. Back then people did not cast abilities like that until Faker showcased it in pro play. Thats why if you look at old faker pro vods all the ogn casters were popping off. Faker has accolades, longevity, and impact to league of legends. Hes definitely not the best anymore but I would not count him out of top5 during any season.
very true i would like to use ur point in future debate
@@iplaywildrift8734 My debate usually stops at 3 Worlds Championships and 2 MSI
@@phamcuong9183 me too.i feel you.
@@phamcuong9183 just like in the NBA mj has 6 NBA chips and an icon of the sport
@@iplaywildrift8734 that is why faker was called the michael jordan of league of legends
thanks god, someone has finally talked about Bengi
Bengi was not relevant before or after he played with Faker so i would say Caedrel was not close even when saying bengi is a goat contender, he was never even the best jungler in the OGN at the time.
no one is talking about MaRiN though, sad.
@@rogamingz206 Best rumble of all time
Faker is the GOAT and Bengi is the most underrated player of all time!
Poeple don't even mention his name when talking about the all time greats which is so disrespectful!
Lmao it doesn't matter so long as faker knows and true fans know.
forgetting MaRiN? underrated too.
The fact that he's still crashing with monsters like chovy and showmaker shows that he's the goat. It's like MJ passing it to Kobe for the next generation.
the whole skt team back then was all a goat. winning lck without 1 loss. nobody could beat it
I am glad he brought up Bengi. The jungle god.
water is wet
Yes earth is a sphere… wait…
Where can i watch him watching hle vs t1??
Chovy is a better laner, as much as you can say about Showmaker, Doinb or Rookie.
League has come this far that every year young talents emerge and old kings retire.
Meanwhile Faker is a symbol. He represents so much more than a player worldwide.
So many talents we have right now admits that they started playing because of the man.
Many people in Korea knows him even before knowing anything about the game.
Despite having all the trophies and the fame, he’s still trying to be better and prove himself. 8 years in a competitive scene he’s still very relevant.
There’s no way he’s not the GOAT.
Chovy is the laning god now but faker in his prime wasn't called that because he was an overall god. He always stomps his opponent lanes back then that is why they develop that 3-4 man gank faker that time.
Finally someone mention bengi
What Faker did and still do even if not at the same rate was electrifying.Bengi should not be forgotten neither should Duke.
I agree bengi too is also up there. Even smeb, chovy, and mata, but I started to appreciate doinb too.
Chovy who? Mata yes, he was the reason they won 2014. He basically made riot delete vision/green ward then change it to trinkets.
Put Faker, Bengi, Marin, Bang, Wolf in a 1 team at their prime will make a unstoppable team
In other news, water is wet
Caedel agrees that the sky is blue.
The thing is even if faker had ups and downs there wasn’t a year you could say he wasn’t in the top 10 mids in the world.
Top 5 , id argue
Was this even a debate lmao
Faker will always be the goat. The competition now is just too high for someone to replicate what he did
who would ever question faker's goat status
The only one even close to Faker considered as the is Uzi
? Bengi, Hello?
@@phamcuong9183 Bengi played his role man, he was never at the level of faker or uzi. Sure he facilitated faker and let him shine but you cannot put him close to faker or uzi
Bengi for jg and mata for sp as he made riot changed their entire vision system LoL 😂
@@LockFitTA no bengi no world for faker
it doesnt matter if hes not top5 anymore he was the overall best player from 2013 to 2017 u could say so even if in 2017 he wasnt the best and was like the 2nd best or 3rd hes still the goat, showmaker, doinb and chovy are better than him since probably 2019 or 2020 but guess what? faker has been in the scene for so long plus he won worlds 3 times and he was the best player for multiple years so yes, right now hes not the best but hes still the goat by far actually, only one close to me is marin and even marin is still far from him.
Yea, even in 2019, he made it to worlds semi-finals, and FPX was shocked that G2 beat SKT in that semifinal due to their personal scrim experiences.
2019? Choky and Shoemaker still exist then.
@@Gurpreet-sv5zg Ah an excited fanboy xd, why do you disrespect these great players instead of appreciating the good competition, when even faker respects them, you are a disgrace and don't deserve to be a fan
@MAD Fangays doinb is better than faker as of now. Watch doinb's irelia vs faker's, you'll see a massive difference on how they play
@MAD Fangays Im a Faker fan but I do believe DoinB right now is better than Faker. Man's a super carry.
He is a goat.
while I think there are definitely players who are better than him now, nobody will be better than we was in his prime.
The thing is Faker in his prime was ahead of his time. Faker even in his prime in current era won't be as dominance as he was couple seasons ago because of how much better players have gotten over the years.
I mean tho season 7 faker especially at worlds was really one of a kind. It's like the zed outplay kind of, which still looks insane mechanically even nowadays. And in that case it was just peak macro and stuff I mean he was just that well-rounded.
@@hierophace1830 faker in his prime, put today would take all your favorite players and put them in thr blender, tf are you smoking? The game has progressed in terms of overall gamestate, not neccesarily mechanical prowess, if anything you could argue it has declined in mechanics. When it comes to skill as a player, no player has ever been as good as faker in his prime. The dude would literally find openings no other player could ever find, he is the ultimate clutch factor
@@qGods To each their own? I don't agree with what your saying but I do not think anything both of us say will change our mind.
It’s really not even a debate. If you don’t agree you’re just wrong. He’s a lot like MJ in the sense that Faker single handedly changed the game and shaped the meta for so many years
I mean 3 Worlds Championships and 2 MSI.
Back to back Worlds champion in 2015 and in 2016
Back to back MSI champion in 2016 and in 2017
Worlds MVP 2013 and 2016
9 LCK Championships
And still playing out of his mind this year (Runner-up of LCK summer, 3rd seed of LCK at Worlds)
Why is there even a debate? What?
T1 is 2nd Seed aren't they? 1: DW, 2: T1, 3: HLE, right?
@@jaketerpening3284 genG 2nd seed.. T1 3rd.. Hle 4th.. Korea and China sending 4 seeds to worlds this year
Faker plays champions which are nerfed against buffed champs due to no coach telling them the proper draft but he still makes that champion look insane no one can make champion look as better like faker does.
Your comment doesn't make any sense sorry
@@MK-fw9qo it dosent need to make sense cause that's how faker plays the game too with weakside champs 😂
Even though I'm a T1/faker fan... Still blows my mind how bad at drafting T1 is
considering he is the goat in esports too
I love how marin gets no recognition
There was a dude on this channel a while back who bitched in multiple comments and wrote me a damn essay about my opinion on FPX because it wasn’t a “hot take”. That dude is probably losing his mind at Caedrel’s opinion here being too popular lmfao. League players will always find something to upset them.
So what about chovy in comparision. Where does he stand especially on his current lvl. Is he better than prime Faker?
Hell no
For chovy to be at fakers prime. He would be carrying most matches regardless of teammates. Just like faker carrys the team today regardless of him not being in his prime
chovy is better but cant still beat prime faker
I think Chovy is better than Faker right now. But no one is even close to prime Faker atm.
@@AnwarKhan-nd6xx I disagree with that though. Back at fakers prime players skill level were not as high as it is now. Individual skill difference were more severe. In these days even a bottom tier mid laner can probably Go even with a top tier mid laner in lane
Can you talk more about Bengi being GOAT Status? I don't know if many would agree.
he has the most world champion title under his belt other than faker. he is called the “jungle” for a reason
Faker 🔥
5 Goats: Faker, Bengi, Uzi, Mata and … idk who is toplane, maybe Smeb?
MaRin, but Smeb is pretty close as well
@@venzrebber4726 smeb and theshy both tank higher than marin in Al time rankings. Marin is still insane though
MaRiN
I think Faker has the best game vision in the world. He is able to find opportunities for example with Azir that no other players could. But in terms of mechanics and laning he is not as dominant as he used to be and some midlaners like Chovy are better.
I believe it's the playstyle where u play solely for lane dominance,get yourself the econ u need and try to 1v9... Or like faker where u constantly check on ur teammates on the map and react faster...it was nicely displayed in the t1 Vs hle....where chovy using his lane prowess to carry Vs faker who shurima shuffles to set his team up instead of sitting back and dealing constant damage as a typical hypercarry azir play
what do u mean with "goat"?
Greatest of all time
BENGI CARRIED FAKER KEKEKE
Ah yes the funny kid
if you made some arguments pls don't put funny things after it , that makes you clown
People forget faker won 3 worlds championship thats almost impossible to achieve i mean this year doinB and Showmaker have the chance to come a little close if they win again but even then they need another one lmao and faker still playing at least 2 more years so yeah good luck with that
Nah DoinB and Showmakers win's wont be close. Back in the day Faker was the best, SKT trampled through the competition, DoinB is great, showmaker is great. I'd say the only close comparison is Showmaker and DWG season last year, they were really dominant. But other than that nobody comes close to the dominance SKT had. They literally were the favorites year after year after year.
Skt was so dominant back then even the skt fans want them to lose
@@MrRoast-xy4uq 😂... All Korea Final was like a custom...
Idk if people just think it's cool to underrate faker or what. I just don't see any argument against him being the goat. The goat doesn't mean they're still at the top. It just means they were the best by the widest margin and longest time when compared to all the other greatest players
Wow caedrel has a good opinion finally?
Why are we giving Faker's opponent a pass if they cant get on Faker's level? Shouldnt we just be praising Faker for being way ahead of his time instead? He was the best player for most of 2013-2017, and he was still an elite player till the 1st half of 2020. Doinb and Canyon will probably close the gap if they win Worlds. But still wont get near him, but on the level of Rookie, Uzi and Mata
Wtf? Always has been bro
What a controversial opinion
Yeah.... Controversial. Explain?
Saying the floor is made out of floor is a controversial opinion now.
well there have been a lot of faker/korea haters and history rewriters coming out trying to undervalue his achievements
Conclusion: Kkoma is the GOAT.
LMAO a goat that joined and world champion lol ? Wtf at least faker can win a title without him and with new rosters
@@yoriiichi969 ???? He won 3 worlds with fking faker the fk u smoking
@@yoriiichi969 you sound like you're about to cry. wtf
@@yahyaselmi8645 smoking lol? With faker? Yeah he won three titles with faker but that wasn't becoz him it's faker he only won a title when he joined dk where daeny and him two world class champion coach where as faker went to finals with a different coaches and rosters , he even won lck spring 2020 that tells u the difference between faker's achievements and khoma lol.
@@gelni3952 just saying facts lol
Saying Faker is the GOAT is like saying that water is wet..
faker smeb and rookie. best 3 to ever play the game
Uzi
No shit lmao
uzi kinda is the GOAT too
Ya he is insane but he doesn’t have the achievements that faker has
@@Na.than_iel deft is the adc goat
@@francisignatiusborrero5986 Bang is the adc GOAT
Uzi is for sure adc goat right?
I say UZI
Not in my book. Rookie 2014-2020 will shit on faker any day of the week.
pffft. Copium.
Sure bro xD
No one would read ur book so w/e
apart from you ,is anyone else give a shit about your book?
Faker sons crying 🤣🤣
He’s a goat because on top of his achievements it’s hard to stay relevant in E-sports. Players decline much faster in esports, in fact the best player might be washed up in a span of one or two years. The fact that faker can remain at the level of play he is now, is like Tom Brady winning Super Bowl or Christian Ronaldo or Messi still being the best despite their age.
Almost never in any scene or sport do you see someone who is both the goat in terms of peak AND longevity. Faker is likely the greatest esport player of all time at this point.
same with Lebron
FAKER did not decline though, everyone just caught up. Caedrel put it really well with what he said here.