I once saw a Ju-52 at an air show in Kansas City. Very impressive plane. There is a delicate balance between keeping historic aircraft in the sky for passengers and observers to enjoy, and risking the loss of irreplaceable machines and people. Last year a P-63 crashed into a B-17 at a show in Texas. There can't be many of either plane still in existence. A number of people were killed in that collision, too.
A few years earlier I was onboard this JU-flight! I mentioned to the Pilots about what Transport Canada requests on scenic flights over the Rocky Mountains and what they did would lead to an immediate revoking of their licenses here in Canada. I could not believe Professional Swiss Pilots showing off with such reckless flying. Anyone ever flying with aircraft's of comparable performance, understands what the eventual outcome will be and the gravity of such misconduct! However what was revealed in the aftermath shocked me even more, the outrageous neglect of maintenance! Those wonderful planes at the time the Swiss Army finally put them up for sale, were in an impeccable, better than new state! As a Swiss native, former pilot(retired) and air charter operator, I still feel deeply ashamed about the deadly neglect by this Swiss Air Charter Operation! My heart goes out to all the surviving families of the victims impacted by this accident.
it is hard to believe that Ju Air was so poorly managed re. maintenance and pilot's safety awareness. I guess Transport Canada is very strict, and rightfully so.
I was lucky to fly with the Lufthansa Ju52 on one of the last flights. Impressive event. Iconic aircraft. Put em in a row with Douglas DC-3, Lockheed L1049 Super Constellation, Boeing 707, Douglas DC 8, Convair 880/990, Concord, Boeing 747 and Airbus A380. All of them milestones in the history of civil aviation.
I used to look forward to the sight of these aircraft flying over my home in Switzerland and loved the thunderous roar of their BMW engines. Sad that they have been grounded.
One of my all time favorite movies is Where Eagles Dare, starring Richard Burton and Clint Eastwood. In the opening and closing of the movie is a Junkers JU-52. Back in August of 2018, the movie was on television so I decided to look up what had become of the JU-52. Found a news article saying it had crashed killing all on board, just days prior. Such a weird coincidence.
Wild. I love that movie too, especially with the plane all squished to fit the credits into the NTSC tv format! Always wondered what kind of plane it was. Read every Alistair McLean book and Hammond Innes and Robert Ludlum. Now I am into Robert Harris.
Yeah... The plane belongs to the era, when variable propeller pitch wasn't considered necessary yet... The propellers were just edged boards. Exstreemely rare piece of flight engineering history... 😢
I also flew with Martin in 1977 or 1978....have some wonderful photos I took in the Cockpit of him piloting, he was an amazing man for sure.....I worked on the making the new landing gear with Tom Reilly here in Orlando.....and if you read his book 'Iron Annie' or 'Ragwings ?' you will see some of my photos.....cheers, Paul in Orlando
I sat in the Lufthansa JU52 captain seat in Montreal Canada in the early 90s. It was in the hold of an Antonov 124. Got to sit in the captain seat of the 124. Back in the days I flew for Business Express Airlines.
Pleeeeze this "music" is so unnerving. BTW the pilot who steered HOT and her passengers to a tragic end was ill-famous for not complying with safety standards. He crashed because he flew way too low into that dead-end valley. There was no way out. It wasn´t happenchance as the pilot was a rogue pilot. On his body they found a letter from the air traffic authorities of my home town Munich, Germany. The letter accused him of of having flown much lower than the minimum of 300 meters above this large town. Actually I loved the frequent visits of these Jus, which often came to Munich to have their engines maintained. Because they flew so low above my home that at times you could see through the windows.
I wish to add that I saw Ju-52s in operation in Uruguay --with floats. Back in the forties/ fifties, local airline CAUSA flew them between Montevideo and Punta del Este. I spotted them overhead at less than 3000 ft en route to PDP. CAUSA also operated Short Sunderlands MVD/ BUE, my uncle who lived in BUE was a regular customer and we often went to the port to greet him.
The preserved "D-AQUI" was originally a floatplane that was leased by Lufthansa to a Norwegian operator for pre- and post-war operations (it was seized by and used by the German occupiers of Norway during the war.
I flew on a JU-52 when Lufthansa was celebrating 30 years of commercial flights to Italy. It was a stunning experience and I was so lucky because my boss was scared to fly on such an old plane, hence she asked me to take her place.
Stalled trying to climb over the mountain. When flying below the highest terrain you must always be thinking about the performance of the aircraft, and you must avoid situations where the climb rate of your aircraft is less that the rate at which the terrain is rising below you. If you find yourself in this situation you have two options, at most. You must turn away from the rising terrain. This is why, when flying in a valley, you should not fly up the center of the valley, This will give you more space to perform a 180 degree turn. If turning away from terrain is not possible, then you must find a way to perform a survivable forced landing. Failing to fine a place to perform a survivable forced landing means finding a way to perform a less than survivable forced landing, such that you save the lives of at least some of those aboard. Above all never break the first Commandment of aviation: Maintained thine airspeed, least the Earth rise up and smite the mightily.
I learned in flighsim simulation that you have to approach a pass much higher than its highest point, and if you can't achieve this, forget about going over the pass.
I suspect that the flight lower than regulation height into the "Box canyon" as others have described it was in the expectation of the aircraft's performance being adequate to do so and to cross over the ridge. When this didn't develop (hot and high?) alongside maintenance deficiencies and the failure to develop minimum power, the pilot attempted, belatedly, an escape manoeuvre causing a spin entry. Sad, but not an unexpected result in mountain-flying where everything needs to be correct, and variation in the weather may invisibly and stealthily put the aircraft in danger.
@@CrucialFlowResearch I do not disagree. I was never "bold" enough for it. Although I did regularly fly across the English Channel in a single, and then survive encounters with French ATC, both of which require a certain sense of humour, if not actual boldness!
I am from Uruguay, 85. I do remember this accident in Aug 2018 involving a Ju-52. Very sad, happy people enjoying a sightseeing flight that ended so tragically. Shocking as it was, I think authorities must review policies regarding vintage aircraft. They should not be used commercially, only in air shows, no passengers, no guests, just the crew on board. My respect to the families and many thanks for this video.
the four Ju-52's they operated had flown without crashing since the Thirties when the were purchased new from Junkers. Proper maintenance and proper type training plus in this case mountain flight experience is essential.
I'd be willing to bet that airshows are far riskier than taking passengers on sightseeing trips. Don't deny non-pilots the opportunity to fly on historic planes. It's a far more worthwhile experience than watching them from the ground. The issue isn't with carrying passengers, it's with good maintenance operating procedures.
We were on holiday in Flims Switzerland when this happened. The emergency services where flying helicopters out of a field near our hotel. I can still remember the atmosphere when word got round about the crash, horrible. RIP crew and passengers ⚰️ Edit: correct name to ‘Flims’
Mi chiedo come mai due piloti con elevata esperienza possano aver trasgredito norme di sicurezza mettendo a repentaglio la loro vita e quella di altri 20 passeggeri. Una tragedia. Senza contare la compagnia aerea che faceva volare velivoli che avrebbero dovuto rimanere a terra per sempre, per quanto possa essere un dispiacere relegarli a visione da fermi, ma la vita delle persone vale molto di più. La manovra di virata stretta sul dorsale di una montagna è sempre molto pericolosa e spesso porta vicino a velocità di stallo se i motori non hanno potenza a sufficienza. Cose che so io che non sono un pilota ma che 2 piloti avrebbero assolutamente dovuto avere bene in mente......condoglianze alle famiglie... :(
That’s why Jünkers never made it big in the usa. The family company teamed up with Fokker and also that was difficult to say for Americans. So it became Atlantic Aircraft Corporation. That sounded well.
@@Bobm-kz5gp O dear me! 🤭 Whether *junk* or not *junk,* please no *Ys* and-above all-no apostrophes unless for the possesive case of the noun, in which case *-Junker's-* should be *Junkers'*
It definitely was, The whole Europe was in a heat wave, So performance was degraded quite a lot..probably in a normal Swiss cold weather they could had made it...
Aeroplanes don't crash: PILOTS CRASH THEM!!! Ask Orville Wright when his brother Wilber crashed "The Flyer" and killed himself. Orville was standing beside the movie cameraman who filmed Wilber's pilot error. Those were the first words my flight instructor told me before my first lesson in an Ercoupe-JG was EXACTLY CORRECT!
Hi there! My name is Liv, Researcher & Editor at Coleman Television in the UK. We would love to talk to you regarding some footage! What is the best way to contact you? Many Thanks.
Sad story, some decent footage, dreadful pronunciation. I’m sure you meant ‘excited’ and not ‘exited’ but ‘malicious’ service..? Also, as others have indicated, ‘Junkers’ is pronounced as if the ‘J’ was a ‘Y’. Artificial, certainly, Intelligence, not so.
Looks like they flew into a lee rotor at too low an altitude with not enough airspeed. If the engines are then underperforming there's no margin, no choice but to turn followed by an inevitable stall. Too low and slow in the wrong location.
It wasn't good idea to perform flights like this. Aircraft of such age are supposed to fly over airfield, slowly, without getting into turbulence and other stressful situations. People died, vintage plane destroyed. The organizers of such flights clearly took a gamble.
Total irresponsable reckless flight performance. This plane should not even get airworthiness' for privat pilot use. An aircraft from 1934 ??? What would you expect??? The JU52 has a disastrous engine power thrust performance. No variable prop blades, no governor, no booster, the JU52 can't maintain altitude with two engines, that gives you an idea of the poor engine performance. So, said that, for safety and precaution, the pilot has to fly in a way that he can handle an engine shut down scenario. No power, no speed....no altitude, no speed. They flow too low with not enough altitude to nose down the plane and gain speed.
Thanks for dedicating a video to the deceased passengers
I once saw a Ju-52 at an air show in Kansas City. Very impressive plane. There is a delicate balance between keeping historic aircraft in the sky for passengers and observers to enjoy, and risking the loss of irreplaceable machines and people. Last year a P-63 crashed into a B-17 at a show in Texas. There can't be many of either plane still in existence. A number of people were killed in that collision, too.
A few years earlier I was onboard this JU-flight! I mentioned to the Pilots about what Transport Canada requests on scenic flights over the Rocky Mountains and what they did would lead to an immediate revoking of their licenses here in Canada. I could not believe Professional Swiss Pilots showing off with such reckless flying. Anyone ever flying with aircraft's of comparable performance, understands what the eventual outcome will be and the gravity of such misconduct! However what was revealed in the aftermath shocked me even more, the outrageous neglect of maintenance! Those wonderful planes at the time the Swiss Army finally put them up for sale, were in an impeccable, better than new state! As a Swiss native, former pilot(retired) and air charter operator, I still feel deeply ashamed about the deadly neglect by this Swiss Air Charter Operation! My heart goes out to all the surviving families of the victims impacted by this accident.
it is hard to believe that Ju Air was so poorly managed re. maintenance and pilot's safety awareness. I guess Transport Canada is very strict, and rightfully so.
In 1989 I had a sight seeing trip in sister aircraft HB-HOP
I was lucky to fly with the Lufthansa Ju52 on one of the last flights. Impressive event. Iconic aircraft. Put em in a row with Douglas DC-3, Lockheed L1049 Super Constellation, Boeing 707, Douglas DC 8, Convair 880/990, Concord, Boeing 747 and Airbus A380. All of them milestones in the history of civil aviation.
I also got to fly in Berlin Templehof back in 1992! What a beautiful aircraft!
I used to look forward to the sight of these aircraft flying over my home in Switzerland and loved the thunderous roar of their BMW engines. Sad that they have been grounded.
One of my all time favorite movies is Where Eagles Dare, starring Richard Burton and Clint Eastwood. In the opening and closing of the movie is a Junkers JU-52. Back in August of 2018, the movie was on television so I decided to look up what had become of the JU-52. Found a news article saying it had crashed killing all on board, just days prior. Such a weird coincidence.
Wild. I love that movie too, especially with the plane all squished to fit the credits into the NTSC tv format! Always wondered what kind of plane it was. Read every Alistair McLean book and Hammond Innes and Robert Ludlum. Now I am into Robert Harris.
Yeah... The plane belongs to the era, when variable propeller pitch wasn't considered necessary yet... The propellers were just edged boards. Exstreemely rare piece of flight engineering history... 😢
I flew with Marty Caidin on Iron Annie out of Merritt Airport back in the early 80's. Great times and one of the safest aircraft ever made.
I also flew with Martin in 1977 or 1978....have some wonderful photos I took in the Cockpit of him piloting, he was an amazing man for sure.....I worked on the making the new landing gear with Tom Reilly here in Orlando.....and if you read his book 'Iron Annie' or 'Ragwings ?' you will see some of my photos.....cheers, Paul in Orlando
I sat in the Lufthansa JU52 captain seat in Montreal Canada in the early 90s. It was in the hold of an Antonov 124. Got to sit in the captain seat of the 124. Back in the days I flew for Business Express Airlines.
Pleeeeze this "music" is so unnerving.
BTW the pilot who steered HOT and her passengers to a tragic end was ill-famous for not complying with safety standards. He crashed because he flew way too low into that dead-end valley. There was no way out. It wasn´t happenchance as the pilot was a rogue pilot.
On his body they found a letter from the air traffic authorities of my home town Munich, Germany. The letter accused him of of having flown much lower than the minimum of 300 meters above this large town. Actually I loved the frequent visits of these Jus, which often came to Munich to have their engines maintained. Because they flew so low above my home that at times you could see through the windows.
I wish to add that I saw Ju-52s in operation in Uruguay --with floats. Back in the forties/ fifties, local airline CAUSA flew them between Montevideo and Punta del Este. I spotted them overhead at less than 3000 ft en route to PDP.
CAUSA also operated Short Sunderlands MVD/ BUE, my uncle who lived in BUE was a regular customer and we often went to the port to greet him.
The preserved "D-AQUI" was originally a floatplane that was leased by Lufthansa to a Norwegian operator for pre- and post-war operations (it was seized by and used by the German occupiers of Norway during the war.
I flew on a JU-52 when Lufthansa was celebrating 30 years of commercial flights to Italy. It was a stunning experience and I was so lucky because my boss was scared to fly on such an old plane, hence she asked me to take her place.
Stalled trying to climb over the mountain.
When flying below the highest terrain you must always be thinking about the performance of the aircraft, and you must avoid situations where the climb rate of your aircraft is less that the rate at which the terrain is rising below you.
If you find yourself in this situation you have two options, at most. You must turn away from the rising terrain. This is why, when flying in a valley, you should not fly up the center of the valley, This will give you more space to perform a 180 degree turn.
If turning away from terrain is not possible, then you must find a way to perform a survivable forced landing.
Failing to fine a place to perform a survivable forced landing means finding a way to perform a less than survivable forced landing, such that you save the lives of at least some of those aboard.
Above all never break the first Commandment of aviation: Maintained thine airspeed, least the Earth rise up and smite the mightily.
I learned in flighsim simulation that you have to approach a pass much higher than its highest point, and if you can't achieve this, forget about going over the pass.
TRY YUNKERS AND NOT JUNKERS MR AI-COMPUTER VOICE!
Yeah, why are so many of these videos using AI narration now? Is it that hard to have a human being read a script for 6 minutes? Ugh!
I don’t think I even heard Junkers as it was always “Jew” plus the number. I hate robovoiced videos and always down rate them.
I suspect that the flight lower than regulation height into the "Box canyon" as others have described it was in the expectation of the aircraft's performance being adequate to do so and to cross over the ridge. When this didn't develop (hot and high?) alongside maintenance deficiencies and the failure to develop minimum power, the pilot attempted, belatedly, an escape manoeuvre causing a spin entry. Sad, but not an unexpected result in mountain-flying where everything needs to be correct, and variation in the weather may invisibly and stealthily put the aircraft in danger.
Mountain flying is no joke.
@@CrucialFlowResearch I do not disagree. I was never "bold" enough for it. Although I did regularly fly across the English Channel in a single, and then survive encounters with French ATC, both of which require a certain sense of humour, if not actual boldness!
The airplane was fully restored & virtually new.
Authentic 30s airtravel expirience.
Very sad.
I am from Uruguay, 85. I do remember this accident in Aug 2018 involving a Ju-52. Very sad, happy people enjoying a sightseeing flight that ended so tragically.
Shocking as it was, I think authorities must review policies regarding vintage aircraft. They should not be used commercially, only in air shows, no passengers, no guests, just the crew on board. My respect to the families and many thanks for this video.
the four Ju-52's they operated had flown without crashing since the Thirties when the were purchased new from Junkers. Proper maintenance and proper type training plus in this case mountain flight experience is essential.
I'd be willing to bet that airshows are far riskier than taking passengers on sightseeing trips.
Don't deny non-pilots the opportunity to fly on historic planes. It's a far more worthwhile experience than watching them from the ground. The issue isn't with carrying passengers, it's with good maintenance operating procedures.
The JU-52 that was used in "Where Eagles Dare" also had a tragic fate.
The Where Eagles Dare Aircraft was this very one.
We were on holiday in Flims Switzerland when this happened. The emergency services where flying helicopters out of a field near our hotel. I can still remember the atmosphere when word got round about the crash, horrible.
RIP crew and passengers ⚰️
Edit: correct name to ‘Flims’
you mean Flims or Flem?
@@PeterNGloor Yes it’s Flims; getting mixed up with Flamm in Norway.
Thanks for that bud.
If you didn’t use a “Robo voice” it would be significantly better. But if you do… learn to type phonetically…
Like me in kindergarten
The thing I fear most about flying is old, overconfident pilots.
Mi chiedo come mai due piloti con elevata esperienza possano aver trasgredito norme di sicurezza mettendo a repentaglio la loro vita e quella di altri 20 passeggeri. Una tragedia. Senza contare la compagnia aerea che faceva volare velivoli che avrebbero dovuto rimanere a terra per sempre, per quanto possa essere un dispiacere relegarli a visione da fermi, ma la vita delle persone vale molto di più. La manovra di virata stretta sul dorsale di una montagna è sempre molto pericolosa e spesso porta vicino a velocità di stallo se i motori non hanno potenza a sufficienza. Cose che so io che non sono un pilota ma che 2 piloti avrebbero assolutamente dovuto avere bene in mente......condoglianze alle famiglie... :(
O dear me!🤫 Please pronounce *Junkers* correctly.
You need to educate the electronic voice program that's speaking it!
That’s why Jünkers never made it big in the usa. The family company teamed up with Fokker and also that was difficult to say for Americans. So it became Atlantic Aircraft Corporation. That sounded well.
@@MonkPetite O dear me! 🤭 Please don't misspell *-Jünkers-* *Junkers.*
How about just using a Y if it’s so upsetting in stead of us saying junker’s? It is junk!
@@Bobm-kz5gp O dear me! 🤭 Whether *junk* or not *junk,* please no *Ys* and-above all-no apostrophes unless for the possesive case of the noun, in which case *-Junker's-* should be *Junkers'*
They said it was warmer than usual. Was density altitude not a factor here? It sounds like it could have been.
It definitely was, The whole Europe was in a heat wave, So performance was degraded quite a lot..probably in a normal Swiss cold weather they could had made it...
What is that small, black fin like thing mounted on the nacelle? Looks like it’s got a dial on it.
An aerial?
Could anybody tell me about the whereabouts of ZS-AFA. The last time I heard it was owned by SAA.
Why would you think of wake turbulence when flying in a valley with no other aircraft around?
Why do people use these robot voices for videos?!
I meant yoonkers. You tube insists it can spell better than a human.
Aeroplanes don't crash: PILOTS CRASH THEM!!! Ask Orville Wright when his brother Wilber crashed "The Flyer" and killed himself. Orville was standing beside the movie cameraman who filmed Wilber's pilot error. Those were the first words my flight instructor told me before my first lesson in an Ercoupe-JG was EXACTLY CORRECT!
Except WilbUr was killed by typhoid fever..
Beautiful plane, but you lost me with the goddam AI
Hi there!
My name is Liv, Researcher & Editor at Coleman Television in the UK. We would love to talk to you regarding some footage! What is the best way to contact you?
Many Thanks.
Email to ivi.crj@gmail.com
Computer generated narration is poor, really detracts with all the bad pronunciation and mangled words
you flew the plane and IT crashed!
Robo voice, ringading music & clickbait headline. Sorry, but this video is not worth the time.
Please narrate your OWN videos. I refuse to support anything with AI (it's very irritating to listen to).
indeed ... I totally agree with you.
Didn‘t it fly for the Swiss Airforce?
Sad story, some decent footage, dreadful pronunciation. I’m sure you meant ‘excited’ and not ‘exited’ but ‘malicious’ service..? Also, as others have indicated, ‘Junkers’ is pronounced as if the ‘J’ was a ‘Y’. Artificial, certainly, Intelligence, not so.
Yeah everyone was suddenly either Austrian or Swiss when the war ended. 😅
"I was very exited". Stop the fake AI voice and use a human. This was laughable.
Jay you
Ever the same old story,, nice paintwork, but abysmal (if any ) maintenance 😢 BS Baffles brains.. RiP to all 😢
Looks like they flew into a lee rotor at too low an altitude with not enough airspeed. If the engines are then underperforming there's no margin, no choice but to turn followed by an inevitable stall.
Too low and slow in the wrong location.
Please stop using AI voiceover, ruined it for me hence the thumbs down.
sigh, another AI voiced cashgrab channel
Wake terbulance dont see any aircraft in front of you, i hope you mean up or down drafts in the mountains, because wake i dought
You are totally right I meant "mountain waves" !! Thanks!!
A nice old aircraft, but AI voices just don't work.
The HB-HOT Junkers 52 is much like the Ford Tri Motor accept the Junkers is a low wings not high wings.
OMW!! Pronounced "yoonkers' and not to sound like junk!! Oh, them Anglophones......😊
Did Boeing have the maintenance contract?
I really hate robot voices.
Terrible AI voice, and clickbait in the title...
Such a third-wordly behavior among.. Suiss aviators?
Earth is a small place, isn't?
It wasn't good idea to perform flights like this. Aircraft of such age are supposed to fly over airfield, slowly, without getting into turbulence and other stressful situations. People died, vintage plane destroyed.
The organizers of such flights clearly took a gamble.
Sad
Total irresponsable reckless flight performance. This plane should not even get airworthiness' for privat pilot use. An aircraft from 1934 ??? What would you expect??? The JU52 has a disastrous engine power thrust performance. No variable prop blades, no governor, no booster, the JU52 can't maintain altitude with two engines, that gives you an idea of the poor engine performance. So, said that, for safety and precaution, the pilot has to fly in a way that he can handle an engine shut down scenario. No power, no speed....no altitude, no speed. They flow too low with not enough altitude to nose down the plane and gain speed.
He staying it correctly for English
Yes your abbreviation is totally wrong you dont pronounce it as jew!!
It's J U, not Jew
try to pronounce the Manufacturer's name correctly. Or is this an AI voice? And you said exited instead of excited.
AI Voice UA-cam trash content
YUN-kers.
Not JUN-kers.
Is German name, ja?
Ja. Das ist richtig.
I can't stand this AI 💩💩
Pronounced ‘Yonkers’.