Harley Benton SC450 P90 GT from Thomann
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- I get asked about Harley Benton more than any other brand. So today we get a look at a SC450 P90. Check it out!
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Gold top + p90’s = AWESOME !
I've had many different guitars with the most $$ was a Suhr. Sold my Les Paul standard and Fender American Strat HHS on Craigslist and bought a floor demo ESP LTD MH 1001 (active EMGs for metal, $635), new Harley Benton Fusion-II HSH Roasted FNT (to replace the bluesy strat sound, $375) and a Harley Benton TE-90 QM HH Trans Blue (bc it is gorgeous and feels like silk in my hands, $212) and still had $1000 left over. Couldn't be happier! IMO the day of the $1000+ guitar is over for the non-professional musician.
All these years later, I can't hear P-90's without thinking fondly of Leslie West (Mountain)...
Mississippi Queen ? .....Yeahhhhh.
Rip
I'm 53, so, something at that price reminds me of the old Hondo II, where you could drive a truck under the action, the frets ends could be used as a weapon and you could drop the tuning down a whole step just by shifting the neck up and down in the neck pocket. That guitar looks and sounds like a wicked cool deal.
A few years ago I sold my 1975 Gibson Les Paul Standard. It was a nice sounding guitar but I was having issues with the weight as it weighed a bit over 11 lbs.and my back is not like it was when I was 19 years old. Since then I have been looking for something to replace it. After watching a bunch of reviews I decided to go for a Harley Benton SC 450 Plus. I paid about $185 total including shipping. When it arrived I had to adjust the neck just a bit for my taste. The intonation was spot on. I really love this guitar. It plays beautifully and sound great through my Marshall DSL40C.
How's the weight? too heavy or not? I like les paul but don't really like the weight...
Harley Benton, Wolf, and AIO are changing the game. With minor upgrades, these guitars are totally gig - worthy. 🎸
It's my favorite Les Paul of my collection! P90 pickups rule! I don't know how it took me so many years to learn to appreciate these pickups
P100 are also killer pups
It actually has a polyurethane finish, not polyester. I asked them.
I have an sc-500 WH Les Paul custom style Harley Benton. Great guitar for very little money.
A.J. K polyester tastes better. 👍😁
Really? I've never tried it. Next time I'll use some polyester instead of butter on my sandwich ;)
Thats right you can just spray it on the bread !
You had to ask lol do you know what polyester is?
This guitar highlights the GREED of other makes ....... amazing value for money 😀👍
I agree, but you have to factor in the horrible wages/living conditions the Chinese/Indonesian factory workers are paid.
(A large) Part of the reason they are cheaper is it goes straight from Thomann to the buyer. No middle retail, or advertising, or monolithic corporate structure, etc
@Anjohl I heard that the cheap guitar factories in China make decent money and have made alot brought alot of their poor population into the middle class level. I could bE wrong
Hey man! Great video here. After I watched and listened, I ended up pulling the trigger on this one. Originally I was enticed by a lp jr style guitar, but I can probably get the same sound out of the bridge p90.
These guitars are really in the ballpark of a good dinner at a nice restaurant. When this arrives I'll have 3 harley Bentons. I'm all about the value in these instruments. Many are fine as is, but for not a lot of cake, you can make them fantastic. My first HB was a top loading tele copy. New Wilkinson tuners and swapped out the ceramic magnet pickups for alnico single coils (with orange drop capacitor) and shes a beast!!
Thanks for sharing! Peace and grooviness from RI!
$169 and the only thing wrong was a filled-in ding under the finish you can't feel and no one will see? It sounded great, so I'd say that was a SCORE!
And a little miss on the fretting job at a closeup.
i own 6 HP guitars and i have not had one with a bad fret job.
After months of research, I requested the Strat version on the 6th of Mar. like yesterday, their paperwork follow up is great.
The body is not the hardest wood but the Les Pauls have a maple cap. which makes a big difference.
Thumbs Up, to that!
My biggest concern in Alternate Brands is Fret size and quality!! I guess we'll see.
But guys, swapping out electronics, nut and machine heads will be worth it.
This channel always tells it
I just ordered 6 guitars, 6 gig bags 6 guitar straps and 6 10ft cables and the shipping is the same as for just one guitar. In my case It's $34.02. So my point is that if you buy more than one guitar you bring the total cost down by whatever the percentage of the shipping cost is. I ordered two Strat copy guitars, two lp style two PRS copies and all the accessories that I mentioned including one that has a bundle with a small amp a gig bag, strap, stand, tuner and picks entire cost under 900$.
I always look forward to your videos man. I like it when you get together with the Tone King. I agree on your take on P90's, I love them. Your demo is excellent and that gold paint/ finish on that HB guitar is stunning.
Harley Benton really has come a long way. A friend of mine ordered one about 15 years ago and asked me to set it up for him. And is was a total piece of Junk. A piece of wood where you would hammer a nail into and wind the strings around would have been better. Nowadays the 200€ Harley Bentons easily outperform the 600-800$ Epiphones and Squiers. Last time I was at Thomann i was really impressed with the Quality for that cheap of a price.
I wouldn't say they out perform an Epiphone, only because they generally have finish flaws in them. I don't tend to see that on Epi's. But at 1/3 of the price of an Epi, you can't go too wrong. Just wish they'd change that bloody headstock on the LP/SGs!
Peter Schmidt A finish flaw is not a performance problem!!!
Peter Schmidt We live in a world where people rip their finishes on purpose for "relic" !!
Tommy Rabbani - Yes finishing flaws don't affect the play-ability of a guitar, just pointing out that HB has them compared to an Epi. Also, I don't like shitty looking "relic'ed guitars" - To me that's just not looking after your gear. For the price - HB guitars are good value for the most part.
Whats wrong with the headstock? i didnt get it :)
I've been watching this video a whole bunch of times. I had a Gibson Les Paul Jr Deluxe with P90's and absolutely loved the tones coming from my Fender Blues Deluxe Tweed tube amp. The only problem was it wouldn't stay in tune to save its life. That is baseline for me. I also didn't like the quality of the build for example no binding on the neck. I'm not a fan of Gibson quality even on the 2 grand LP's. I knew I had to sell it, and I did, but I have been yearning for that sound ever since. Then along comes this video, and the HB 450SC P90 GT and bingo, I knew I had to have one. I just ordered it. It will be shipped any day now. I'm satisfying my nose pressed on the glass angina by watching your video. I also have the Firefly FF338 that I cherry picked out of 4 of them and love it, but I had to send 3 back. You picked up on the problems of the FF338. You even mentioned that there is something going on there around the second fret. Well I finally figured out what the problem was. The frets were all perfectly aligned, it was the nut that was off. The treble side of the nut was .20 cm closer to the frets than the bass side. So no matter how perfectly it was tuned, and each string was intonated by itself properly, if you played for example a cowboy A chord, it sounded eerily off somehow. Oddly enough the open E sounded out of tune, even though it wasn't. So yeah, off angle nut. The one I kept was almost perfect in that regard but still out .2 or so cm's. Love the guitar for $159 delivered. I'm super psyched to get my P90 trap behind me. Can't wait. Thanks for such great videos.
If I’m being honest. I like you’re reviews, rants, conversation points better. I can’t always dedicate the time to the live shows...
Wish you all the best Steve
Jimi Hendrix’s first guitar was only $89 in 1958 accounting for inflation, that’s about $900 in 2022. Even a cheap guitar can be a gem in the right hands. I recently purchased one and have been playing for about 25, years not going to say my SC-500 is the best guitar I’ve ever owned, but for about $160 USD shipped to me, it was worth every penny. If I drop it, destroy it, or have it lost or stolen, it won’t hurt as much as my a guitar I spent thousands on. It’s the best “cheap” guitar I’ve ever purchased. Upon arrival I changed the strings, adjusted the action, changed the depth of the pickups to my liking, did some slight sanding on the fret ends so that the neck felt buttery smooth. Even if I would have messed it up (I’m no luthier, but have always worked on my own guitars) I wouldn’t have been mad and taken it as a $200 lesson on how not to mess up my expensive guitars. Anyone not savvy on guitar brands would say you paid tons for a Harley benton. I’m impressed and happy I decided to buy one for myself.
ive owned two HBs, strat and tele with absouletly no issues at all,whilst being the butt of much slating,hopefully now they will get some recognition....biggest bang for the buck ive ever had with guitars
I have one of these and must say mine sounds incredible ,super low action and incredible tone.Mean chucky and full, and sustains for days totally surprised me .Have a vid of the unboxing .
Not sure if mentioned, but bears repeating, the $36.87 (current rate) shipping cost is a flat rate to the USA for any order that weighs up to 68 pounds (31kg), so you can buy 3 or 4 guitars (or whatever) and the shipping will still be $36.87. Just to see, I put two Harley Benton Les Pauls and one of the Harley Benton Thomann 1X12 cabinets in the cart and it was still only $36.87 to ship.
Awesome. I was curious about how much they'd charge to ship amps and cabs.
Just because it says so it the cart, they might ask for an additional fee later before they ship.
Steve, I think this is the best sounding guitar you have. It's just so much sweeter and warmer.
Surprisingly I had never heard of these before this video! Thanks Steve. I'm now going to buy one of their SC Customs - £180, FREE delivery to the UK. Mahogany body, set neck, AAAA maple top, roseacer fingerboard (thermally treated maple apparently), Wilkinson vintage alnicos, Grovers and graphite nut - the spec goes on and on! It looks like a cross between an ESP and a PRS and the honeyburst finish is stunning.. What's not to like? Cheapest guitar (by far) that I'll have bought since 1979 - that was a five year old CMI SG Custom ripoff which I still have!
Love the clarity on power chords etc,real pete townsend vibe,,like a lot of players you think going to p 90 means pickuo hum but this guitar sounds insane for the money ! Thanks Steve,George from Scotland.
I was on the fence but I ordered one because of this video.
I just got a TE90 Q. Sweet tele with the P90 pickups, slim body with f-holes, carved top and sexy red flame finish. Looks and plays so nice.
I have a SC450 CB plus wilkinson it plays great. No fret buzz or sharp fret edges. win win
Seems like a lot of guitar for just a few bucks! Good to hear the quality appears to be pretty decent too. 👍🏻
Those P90's sound great! That might be the best Harley Benton I've heard. Must be your amp? Or, maybe the player?
Just had one of these delivered. Aside from a couple of little imperfections in the finish it's astonishing value for money. It plays just as good as my epiphone and really does sound great.
The only thing I'd say is the tuners aren't the greatest... but that can be remedied quite easily.
With a cheap plastic nut
Great video demo Steve. I've been shopping for a Gold Top, and own a HB DC 580 I love already. I may have just found my GT, with P90's, to add to my circus. Thanks 🤘🏻🎸⚡️⚡️
Just a note about the shipping cost, you can get about three guitars for that $36 charge.
Just ordered mine last night.. super stoked
I was hearing Paul Kossoff all through this and a bit of Joe Walsh towards the end. Sounded excellent whatever the cost. Brilliant review
I have had one of these with a Mahogany body and Rosewood board for about 5 years and I love it. You make it sound a lot better than I do Steve! I would recommend this model to anyone. It's sister the SC 450+ with hum buckers is sweet as well although I have just swopped the pick ups for Vansons PAF with alnico 5 magnets, wow, it really rivals my Gibson LP custom now! Welcome Steve but sad to see Pixxy go.
They are big in the states with budget buyers .. If you know Nick in the States he has been buying them for a good while .Never seen him get a really bad one .
Thomann in Germany does all the inspections before they are sold. Just like Sweetwater they have a system in place to inspect and approve everything that they sell. If it does not meet their standards then they discard it.
If they do all the inspections before they are sold and by that all brands they sell then how in the chuff the guitar henning got he ripped to shreds ... ended up taken the video down ..which wasn't a Harley B
I wouldn't hold much faith in their quality control. They sell the flawed stuff as B stock, but their "normal" stock has flaws as well, just not as evident. But at under $300 for a guitar, I'm not going to complain that much. I'd say it's at least more consistent than buying off Aliexpress...like Forest say's "You never know what you're gonna get"
Fantastic demo, great spirited playing, real skill.
They cost £130 over here in the uk , no brainer I'm buying one looks cool thanks for this review man 🎸
These play so much better than any squier or starcaster under $200...1000% better. Perfect for a first guitar for beginners. A few upgrades you can tour with it lol
Killer review of a killer little SC. SOLD! I'm a huge fan of budget guitars, and have been researching Les Paul clones for quite some time. This HB is the one! I have guitars with humbuckers and a guitar with single coils, now I need a blues/rock star with P90s. I'm ordering this one. I've loved gold tops since forever! Love your channel, Bud. Keep up the good work!
I love P90 pickups. The usual description is that they "cut through the mix" better than single coils. The also say they're "rude" single coils. They're similar in output to low humbuckers, but they will DEFINITELY hum.
I still like them.
Agreed
Steve, You are one of the best players on You Tube! You just Sold Me on this Guitar! I have been considering one of these, and Your Demo sorted it all out for Me. I would like to see You do some Guitar Tutorials! You've got some killer Chops!
That GT paint job is one of a kind. If they could guarantee that colour, I would buy one tomorrow, even with the $193AUD postage.
I ordered a Harley Benton CST-24 HB (hollow body) for $222.00 that was damaged in transit (which may be why it took 34 days to arrive, the replacement took 14 days. Germany to California) and Thomann was awesome in getting me the new one as quickly as possible, great customer service. I love the guitar, but a couple of things, both of them arrived with the intonation sharp on all six strings and the string height too high (for my liking) I could get he string height to 1.5mm on the 6th string on the damaged one but only 2mm on the high E string, on the replacement on the high E was at 2mm and the tailpiece was as far down as it could go already on that side, on the low E string I could get to 1.75mm but no lower. The neck didn't need adjusting. Other then that the guitar looks and plays and sounds great. I'm looking forward to getting other Harley Bentons soon.
I got one of these very end of 2020. After shipping:duty it came in at about 340 Canadian. A deal @ twice the price or more. This one looks more like the real finish than mine. The scarf is covered on mine. But yeah man I got 4 Gibsons and it sits right up there beside them no problem at all. I love it.
I remember those scarf joint failures, they were caused by not having the scarf angle set right and not using the right glue, they also probably didn't let the glue cure long enough either. My first job was as a wood worker and when done right a glued joint is easily stronger than the wood on either of the joint.
I had this exact model and have just sold it,have to say that your software is doing a fine job on those pickups and it obviously helps that you've got the fingers in spades Bro, I couldn't keep the thing in tune which is why I sold it but for the money you'd be hard pushed to get a better guitar and you can always upgrade the tuners and pickups.
Little filing on the nut may have fixed that
I just got this one Saturday with a Bogner Ecstacy mini head. Heaven. I have a couple of the HB T types with the reverse headstock Cabronita and TV Jones style PUP's. Outstanding and hold their own against my Mexi Fenders. The HB 450 holds its own against my Epi LP Standards. Rondo has a brand Agile that is a little cut above HB - Korean made. I have two of their LP Standard style (one is metallic chartreuse with P-90's). Highly recommended though a little more $$ than HB.
Thomann is first class and their house brand Harley Benton is a superior budget line with respect to similar priced and higher priced guitars. I own two and plan to purchase more in the future. If you like positive surprises then this is the place.
Great demo of these inexpensive guitars, I have a bunch of different Harley Benton's in my collection. Thomann are great people to deal with also.
I second that. Thomann is very good to deal with. Excellent customer service.
I love the Harely Benton brand! I chose them over Epiphone any day of the week! 🤘
Have the SC 550 faded tobacco flame came setup nice low action no buzz plays great right out of the box. hard to put it down .
From Leo: Thanks for playing some clean so we can hear the guitar basic sound. I have a couple of Harley Bentons, one was $160 shipped and one was $220 shipped. They are very good. I have a friend that got a $79 one and it was a little rough but playable. In a day when a fake book costs $50 and used pedals sell for over $100, how can you go wrong?
Sounds great, of course some of it is from the hands. But, still sounds great! It’s 219.00 on reverb with free shipping as of September thirteenth 2023. I want one.
Shipping in January 2022 is now $80! It was under $35 in 2019. I paid $159 for mine. I got a B stock there was a nasty gash that peeled the paint all the way to the bare wood near the jack, and they missed a spot near the neck pick up when they spray painted the body.
On a recording you can't tell this a guitar that cost $159.
Yeah, I dove in to check out the Harley Benton FUSION ll HSH FNT, never tried this company before but so many are raving that I had to try...
I am a fender Stratocaster guy and also have a L.P. but when I saw that they offered a lefty FUSION, I had to go for it, I mean, 24 stainless steel frets, toasted flame Canadian hard maple, staggered tuning lock keys, roller string tree etc... is enough to turn my head al least...
Can't wait to receive it!!!
Use to live in California basically all my life, now live in Spain, and yeah, Thomann is pretty active here!
Let's face the facts, for the money you can't beat it anyway else...
I could never compare a 400 euro guitar with a 3.000 euro guitar, there IS, and always be a difference, but what matters is what feels good in your hands, and if the sound is there for YOU! The rest is history...
I will say this, Thomann/Harley Benton will make it's presence in the market no doubt.
Even IF you decide to upgrade some things on a Harley, in the end it's what ever blows your skirt up, just do it...
Most importantly, just spend more time playing a damn guitar, than fiddling with it!!! Right?
Hey Steve, I have 2 HB guitars and they are as good if not better than the Epiphone/Squier guitars they are pitched against. I live in the UK and HB are really popular. Looking at your Gold Top, you can see why. The price is ridiculous for the quality you get. Love your channel btw. \m/
Looks well made. Better than epiphone? Never try one like this. Beauty.
Nice review, and the background and camera angle look great :-)
Thanks for the review. Big help!
I bought one of this model last year. Of my now four Harley Bentons this was the best out of the box and the cheapest of the four too. Just a little fret end smoothing and she was good to go.
My first Harley Benton was the HB35Plus which is now beautiful but needed stoning to get down to Michigan factory specs.
I've since bought the DC-Custom Cherry (SG Type) and the SC-450Plus with humbuckers. All now sweet after a little set-up and fettling.
One of the best ways into having a bit of variety in your guitar tones without selling a kidney.
Kozmyk_from_Wales
i'm surprised you liked it , we love them in Europe ok they are not an A brand guitar but you get more bang for bucks than anywhere else they are also on continuous path of improvement and listen to their customers . Thomann customer service is second to none .
Will Steve from Boston buy more guitars than Pixxy Lixxx?
LOL!
Maybe, but I guarantee he'll be playing the same old over driven licks !
I'm a fan of these Harley Benton guitars and their TE-90. It certainly helps that you are a tremendous player. Man you are really good what were channeling you inner Paul Kossoff 🤘 outstanding
Late to the party but, nice demo! Sounds great.
Hi Steve, glad I found your video. I almost bought one from reverb for over 300 bucks us dollars, not including shipping. Smh
If you're in the US, team up with 2 friends and share the postage :)
Chris Franklyn that’s exactly what I did lol got me a hb35 (es335 copy) and my busy got an dreadnaught acoustic with a gig back for next to nothing! Split the shipping. Even cheaper lol they are amazing! Mine needed new strings and I polished the frets. THATS IT! plays and feels amazing
Nice one :)
the shipping is 32 bucks that's nothing..
And you and your friends can all get a guitar you'll most likely wish you didn't have in a year
Still gonna buy one
i think you can buy up to three guitars and the shipping is the same for one....I have the SC450 LD...i hated the orange color so i sanded it off to refinish..i found under the color a layer of what looked like same material as the binding...the whole top (including the binding)looked like a one pc plastic cover..i stained and refinished, relic'd and rounded the sharp horn..etc.threw in a set of stew macs Parson street pafs......i love it
Have one (amongst several HBs) change the nut, setup and as for playability and sound it can't be beat at the price point, the down side for this particular model for me was the two tone knobs (go from open to totally shut) and the finish near the PUs cavities (which has absolutely no effect on the sound or playability) other than that it's working every weekend, stays in tune great and keeps my mind free from worry when it comes to scratches and dings.
Loving the new set up/background Steve. There's a few gems in the Harley Benton range, very cool.
hey Sir ! great riffs there and a great review ! thanks
I have an sc custom in white and I love it!!!!!!, best value for money I have ever spent on a guitar
$169 US so just under $1000 AUD 😁😂
Looooooool
geez... time to move to the States!! :)
😂😂😅🤣🤣
Good god what in the world is going on down under????
Somehow hilarious
Nice axe! It would be nice to hear straight through a panama, without any processing!
Nice job your the one who got me buying some of the chibsons and now I got the SG white one with gold tuners etc, it]s got great rounded frets and it looks great. The price delivered was 214.00 love some of the teles also Take care see u on face
My Harley Benton cost twice that at €248. Its called SC-550 Paradise Amber Flame. I changed the stock Wilkinson tuners too Hipshot Grip-lock Tuners. That's the only mod i did. It comes with AAAA Flame Maple vaneer, bone nut, tuneomatic bridge and I like the Wilkinson pickups but may change them in future. Some of the Harley Bentons come with Grover tuners. Look at the specs carefully before buying to get exactly what you want.
I've had the HB p90n goldtop for about a month now, it was $177 us, shipped from Germany to Kentucky. Mine is more coppery looking than gold, but everybody that has seen it comments on how cool the copper color is, LOL. It sounds great, though, and was pretty much flawless. only issue I had was the selector switch was broken when it arrived, but Thomann sent me another one within two weeks.
I got one of these for Christmas in the Copper Orange color. It plays very nice for a guitar of this price. The p90's sound pretty damn good. I changed the crappy strings that came on it and it's been rockin' ever since.
I've been debating if I should take a chance and buy a guitar from Thomann, after seeing this video I think I just might have to. Thanks
I got a Harley Benton CST-24 (Paul Reed Smith Custom 24 copy) and it's stunning. Plays & sounds great too. The guitar actually got lost in shipping so Thomann sent me a replacement which wasn't as nice (sharp fret-ends, intonation off, string buzzing). But 5 months after I placed the order, that original guitar miraculously showed up, so I got two guitars for the price of one! I sold the replacement to Guitar Center for $160 and got a nice molded hardshell case, a set of strings, and some cash back!
Reading up on black wood i was kinda surprised. Its got purplish hues to it and is said to be a very stable wood. They also say it can have metallic type tones to it?. Very hard to work with too. Even prized in some places. For a $130 cant really complain right. Could always upgrade the hardware if you were so inclined. Rock on Steve!
P90s are a lot of fun. Keep playing for a while and these will grow on you. Use the volume and tone knobs too, P90s do a better job than humbuckers when you turn down the guitar volume when running a full gain amp.
Yo Steve!
Sounds and looks pretty awesome for a guitar under $200!
it sounds great and stayed in tune...love it
That was a nice little Kumbaya on that third patch when you cleaned it up Steve. Very nice.
Good review, Steve. Thanks!
I've got the Harley Benton TE-20 and I love it!
Cheap but very effective.
It's my practice guitar and it's perfect for that!
This is a wonderful guitar. P90's are wonderful, great overtones mellowness and grit, all I want. Humbuckers unfortunately cancels out some of the nice harmonics that really, everyone should want.. people just seems to want as much volume as possible.. but you lose dynamics.. the younger generatikn seldom understand these implications. I love P90's.
On a last note - Thomann has excellent customer service
My 1st HB arrives 2moro. If it actually rocks like im hearing- Im grabbin one of these Goldtops fer sure. Great playing.
Was dead set on getting a Gibson tribute t but then saw this video and my decision has changed. Totally snagging one of these! You rock Steve! Keep shredding brotha!!
Steve I am from northern Ireland and over here I think H.B. guitars are fantastic, that guitar you have sounds as sweet as any ephiphone.
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Classy looking guitar! Very tempting at such a low cost. Most of my pedals cost more.
Brilliant review and playing!
$107 for the guitar, $30 shipping. $137.00 total. Can't beat that!
I dig these cheaper guitar reviews, Have you checked out any of the newer Yamaha Pacifica stuff? They do a really cool 'hot rod' style strat with one Seymour Duncan P rail pickup and a toggle switch that goes between different modes of the pickup, a Wilkinson trem and locking tuners the lot, you should check it out!
A good scarf joint certainly does help to reenforce neck to headstock strength. And the price,,is very hard to hate.
... never heard a Harley Benton so good as in your hands...
may be It s your playing.... 👍👍
Did not know how great are p90 . Thanks for review !!!
Happy Valentines day, Pixxi, Steve! That $36.00 shipping, I believe is for up to 5 units shipped!