(178)Starships of the Fleet Museum (Part 1)
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- Опубліковано 5 кві 2023
- In today's episode, Part 1, of Truth OR Myth Beta, we're taking a look at some of the starship classes of the Fleet Museum as first seen in Star Trek: Picard Season 3! I hope you enjoy!
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The fleet museum has a great gift shop where you can buy a small bag of genuine Starfleet rock chippings from the inside of the consoles of various exhibit ships.
It's great to see that the 1701-A is still intact after more than a century. She fared much better here than in William Shatner's Ashes of Eden novel. This is one bit of Alpha Canon I can definitely get behind. 🖖😎👍
Definitely agree there, the Constitution refit is my favorite starship class. Seeing the 1701-A preserved was a joy, she was a legendary ship and deserves to be saved. Seeing her restored and held in the fleet museum meant she wasn’t lost or destroyed as in the Shatner novel. Jack had it right she’s definitely my favorite too.
I honestly didn't think this ship could go warp 12
@@borgurmanwarp 12 tos scale is probably about 8 or 9 in tng scale
Warp 12 is around warp 2 in TNG scale as warp 12 is around 2048 times the speed of light which is warp 2 in the TNG era
@@navysealinguardiantank2679 Sorry, you are incorrect... Warp 12 in TOS is 1728 x the Speed of Light, which is about Warp 9.15 on the TNG Scale!
I love that the NX-Class Refit is now Canon even through I did miss it the first time I watched that episode
I love it too! Though I did catch it first time around ;)
it is canon since Picards season 2. In a flashback at Picard's home you could see a model of it in the background
That actually doesnt make it canon officially, as only the model or design was canon... IE it could have been an aborted concept, hence why the actual starship was included in Season 3!
So glad you are feeling better. I really like this episode. Makes me wish we really had the fleet museum that we could go and visit in person. My favorite is the Enterprise Refit. She is a beautiful ship and a visually stunning update to the Constitution class vessels. I remember sitting in the movie theater for the Star Trek movie as they did that virtual walk around while she was in the space dock. We were all cheering. We had waited so long. It was just awesome!
Thanks so very much for posting this.
Thank you! And I ALSO wish we had a fleet museum ;)
I don't think the Enterprise A was ever the flagship, when Kirk first got it it was a lemon of a Starship with nothing but problems that Scotty managed to turn into a gem over the few years it served.
Good to hear that the NX-Refit is now cannon. IIRC the Enterprise show runners stated that we would have seen the Refit if we had the full seven season run. An entire season dedicated to the Earth-Romulan war would have been great.
Wouldn't mind seeing a Refit Miranda as part of the Museum. Hopefully Starfleet didn't burn through all of them during the Dominion War.
even if they did they could rebuild one from spare parts if they really wanted. on the other hand THE USS ARES should have a place there lol.
Uhhhh No... The USS Ares, a fan design, has NO place in Star Trek! What that Fan film's creator has done to the community is inexcusable!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComicscan you explain. I’m not too familiar with Fandom drama but I’d like to know.
@@jk844100 I won't be getting in to it here or on the channel, but if you're interested, a simple a google search will tell you all! Take care
Sorry to hear that you were sick, but happy to hear that you're feeling better. I've missed your videos.
NCC-1701A love that ship, still the best for me.
It was awesome seeing all the ships from across the ages especially now that nx Refit is now officially canon also glad your getting better
Definitely needs a Galaxy class. Its so big it could be a hotel at the museum 😂
the saucer section of enterprise D
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@@Ostermond 😂 your right
I hope Geordie finally got the holodecks working right!...😉
You must now be happy
Wow; the NX class refit might be one of my new favorite starships; it just seems so "cozy" and practical for exploring the galaxy. I would love to serve on such a ship! Almost like a earlier version of the Nova class.
Darn, very much you are feeling better Tri.
LOVE the Starships in the Fleet Museum, mostly the legendary USS Enterprise 1701-A and of course the Constellation class that's there.
Now some years ago as soon as it became available did a "Tri-Cannon" thing in ST:O because I love the look of her and finding all the background information that I could took the USS Stargazer out of the museum and has been my starship ever since, until they bring back exploration or the Enterprise F ship interiors into the game.
So I'm looking forward to Part 2 xxx
I saw it pointed out that Picard mentions a Constitution I being in the fleet museum all the back in TNG 'Relics', which if this was an intentional inclusion by the PIC S3 writers, is a masterful piece of knowing the source material. The NX-01 refit is a piece of canon-isation that I was very glad for.
Brilliant video I would say the The Sovereign Class should get a spot in the fleet museum😊👍
I'm sorry you've been ill buddy. Take care of yourself. Your fans can wait ❤
I can't wait for more of your Canis Major Chronicles to come out!
Thank you!
No problem! Keep it up :)
Im hoping Star Trek online adds the fleet museum as it appeared in the show instead of the lineup of hero ships we get outside ESD occasionally.
Wounder what the starfleet museum would have inside as exhibits
Enjoyed this one. Although seems like it's more likely the New Jersey was never given the Mark II treatment and just remained as is.
An awesome cool look at these beautiful, enigmatic Starfleet ships
Faster Corp did the earth-Klingon war and in the game the captured a a Klingon supposed to be on the fleet museum on Luna. And boys are supposed to be the fleet. And the federation was given a Klingon D7 battle cruiser which is in the fleet.
I'm most interested in the Pioneer class cos it's one never seen before. I know it's an sto ship. I didn't notice it in the episode but it is in end credits and I saw a picture from the show on Instagram.
I WILL be making a video on the class soon ;)
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics Cheers
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@@DanBen07
The early era like pioneers always interested me 😊
Thank you for doing this topic. I'm thrilled it was finally shown on screen and was hoping you'd cover this topic. Great job! Hope you feel better soon. 👍
How wonderful. Hope you are feeling better. Looking for part 2. If you add Beta stuff, perhaps a Saladin Class Destroyer, USS Lysander NCC-540. She was favourite and in my Star Trek story as a kid, I served on her and in real life made many models of her from Enterprise kits
I was so happy to see the museum, but the Saber class has always been my favorite. When I saw it... joy. 🎉
Glad you're starting to feel better. Loved seeing all those ships in the Fleet Museum, especially the now canon NX-01 refit, Enterprise-A, Excelsior, Stargazer, Defiant and Voyager. Can't wait to see part 2 soon, I hope. Salut!
Sorry to hear that you where sick lately, i really hope you are getting better soon and fully back to good again, it is great that you are back and i looking forward to your next videos. This was a lovely History lesson of this ships so far. Thank you for making it. :(
Glad you're on the mend. Continue to improve so you can live long and prosper.
I'm glad you are getting better.
I personally would have liked to have seen a Galaxy Class at the Fleet museum. And maybe Cochranes ship. But I think that is supposed to be at the Smithsonian.
Sorry to hear you weren't feeling well. Glad to have you back.
This video (and the Picard episode that led to it) have inspired me to try to re-find the old FASA Star Trek role playing game!
Glad to hear you're feeling better!
What a great video! I subscribed right away. Thanks for a look at the refit NX-01. Would have loved to see that ship in a season 5 of Enterprise…
Hope you get well soon. i love your videos!
Thank you so much!
This is going to be a great TAS series!
Awesome video as always. Much appreciated. Get well soon my friend. Take care 👍
I love this museum and it fits soooo good to this great channel! 🫶
Great video as always (: Get well soon.
"duotronic technology" sounds like magic that could do anything lmao
despite literally just being another computing paradigm
I enjoyed the cameos from the ships
Me too!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics I did as well.
23 century class of Star ships are without a doubt the most beautiful in size and elegance. Thrn came along the TOS movie ships and took it to a whole new level.
Looking forward to part 2.
Tri. Always look forward
Thanks Alan!
Picard season 3 what's your feelings about it?
This was a really great idea for a video!
Love this series!
Thanks Jeff! :)
Seeing the USS New Jersey with the registry number NCC-1975 really surprised me. I am originally from New Jersey, and was born in 1975. I assume the ship was named after the Battleship New Jersey, which I have visited. Now I want to know what adventures the Starfleet ship USS New Jersey had before ending up in the museum.
Actually the New Jersey was named after Terry Matalias home state. NCC-1975, like yourself was the year Matalias was born.
My temporally displaced Star Trek Online character would likely find it bittersweet to visit the USS Pioneer, especially as hers "lost with all hands" at Caleb IV and there would likely be a memorial listing her and her bridge crew as "killed in action"
Yes. Enterprise 1701 and 1701-A is, for me, the penultimate hero ship! I still remember the absolute AWE I felt when I watched it (refit 1701) leave dry dock in ST:TMP (and the music was a big part as well!)❤❤❤
AWESOME WORK ... THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You're very welcome! :)
It's good to see Enterprise A still active.
Get well soon!
Cool video 😊
Since Picard confirms that the TOS Constitution Class design is still canon, do you think the Discovery Enterprise will evolve into it's TOS design in Strange New Worlds?
I would guess, according to canon, that it most definitely will!
Take your time making the videos. Your health is more important than the videos.
The Enterprise E and A are my favorite
Thank you very much for this nice Video like it very much ❤
You're welcome 😊
Bring in the original unadulterated Daedalus class. The best starship class yet to debut and fly in Star Trek. Just the model in Sisko's ready room, spoken about just a few times in star trek
Glad u are better great video..Go Enterprise...
1701-A she's a beauty isn't she!?! She is my ship Kirk, don't you dare put a scratch on her paint job!
and captain sulus excelsior itself also in the museum
Strange how the Pioneer class reminds me of the Ptomely cargo carrier
Niiiiiice👍🏾
I speculate with a whole yellow drum full of stardust with what could be there in that museum. Yorktown, Tiho, Reliant, Enterprise B, C, D, E, ...
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The Cerritos?
it seems like a shane, there is no OG NX class in the museum. The refit is nice, but its not that first iconic ship.
hope enterprise 1701B is in this museum also!
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There's my favorite Kumpel ;)
Will you also cover what's inside the museum structure? Or did The Showrunners release a list yet?
Honestly I hope for the original excelsior
I'm presuming there will be a part three to include what was in hanger 12, right?
Off all the Classes i want to see the Federation Class Dreadnought is it.
NX refit class see on screen finally it's now Canon
I want the excelsior and a Federation class
i wonder how big the fleet museum is
BIG! Id guess that not only does it include the Spacedock, but also a ground facility as seen in Lower Decks!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics i am just glad we see the nx refit as canon now also happy to see enterprise a my second favorite ship the nx refit was one of my first eaglemoss models i got but know my enterprise collection feel incomplete without the f in xl edition crossing my fingers we may see some news on the models soon
Are y doing anymore ships of the museum videos
Does the fleet museum contain other adversary ships like the Klingon bird-of-prey?
I wonder if it would be possible to put Deep Space Nine in the museum?
I want to see what's inside the spacedock
I thought they changed the 1701-A into a Constellation class starship?
How many videos are there in this series?
3 so far, if you click the video tab you'll easily see them!
Awesome that all these famous ships have been preserved, but why in the world can't you go aboard them?! It looks as though all you can do at the Fleet Museum is just look at them. Not exactly a museum ship if you're just looking at the outside. Upkeep of these ships can't be that expensive considering money isn't used in the 25th Century, so why not let people on board?
Uh well, you CAN go aboard them.... Various episodes in trek confirm that.... It's just this way you get to see them from both the outside AND the inside... After all, whats the point of having a starship in a museum if you can't see the outside too?
I just remembered that the Discovery Enterprise is considerably bigger than the TOS Enterprise.
Do you think Strange New Worlds will retcon the Discovery Enterprise's size so it can more properly evolve into it's TOS design?
It isnt actually, as the size on DSC screens in season 2 actually matches the known canon size!
Please include/ do a segment on the uss Bonaventure from the tas. I see it as a research/escort ship build after the enterprise refit. It might have been the ship used to test systems for it. It was the 2nd ship designed and should be remembered.
That wont happen in this video series as it is NOT apart of the Fleet Museum thus far!
How about a video on that design?
Yes! That WILL be done! I actually did extensive work on the 3D model to bring it up to par for the channel... Including window interiors ;)
Can't wait to see it!
Wouldn't the New Jersey be a refit Constitution in it self considering we saw the Pike era Enterprise hologram display and Starfleet HQ in Picard season 1?.
No, as we know canonically what the Constitution Class Refit is!
Then you would just be incorrect... We as fans dont get to decide what is or isnt canon! Canon is a matter of fact, laid out by the only people that CAN decide what is canon, the owners of Trek itself... So saying, "I dont consider it canon" is like saying "I think the world is flat" and is just silly... You can dislike it all you want, but it IS and will ALWAYS be canon!
I understood at one point, the Constitution class was supposed to have been USS Republic NCC-1371. But, that was many years ago. She was one of the 1st 13 original ships
She might have been, but she wasnt according to canon so far!
Rumor has it that the Enterprise D saucer section is docked inside the museum....😮
Yes! Thats the rumor! We shall know for sure soon enough!
All of these ships can quickly be reactivated this isn't a museum as much as hiding a fleet in plain sight
Not really, as most are way out of date to be useful!
Also, why did you like your own comment?
A Federation II Class Dreadnought Mk V 2292-2310 NCC 2116 USS Star Empire. From a Star Trek novel Dreadnought.
Sorry what? What about it?
Which enterprise was self destructed in the movies? I swear it was the A
No, it was the Original Enterprise that had been refit!
I have a ships of the lines picture that has every Enterprise up to that point.
The comment you tried to post on my latest video has been deleted for providing false information on the class when you have been warned before!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics OK but I was wondering are you planning on doing a bit of Canon project about the other ships of STO it’s short for the Star Trek online
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Kirk's log in ST6 Did state "This ship will fall to the care of another crew" enterprise wasn't decommissioned
But it was, as canon says! And you've misinterpreted his log entry, it wasnt literal!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics then to say this ship would soon be come the care of another crew is a waisted line we could have had a much better one ending the original cast movies as ST6 originally intended then Generation coming in and doing a passing on the the torch
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics I'm just glad they never made Canon the history of what happen to the Enterprise A, B from the old star trek super Nintendo games about them being destroyed in battle.
Well no, it's not a wasted line, as it means he's passing the torch to another Generation, IE The Next Generation... It is a nod to that, and there is a LOT of literature on that fact to confirm this!
While, this was enjoyable. There is some wrong information. The Coni-refit. It cannot go past warp 9.999 since ships in the 24'25 century still cannot get past the warp 10 barrier. There is a line in Voyager that confirms this, when Tom tries to break the warp 10; Janeway and crew says something along the lines of "Tom is the very first person to break warp 10. Granted that episode is the only in Star Trek history where there were calls to decannonize it.
Im sorry, you are incorrect, the Connie Refit is a 23RD Century Vessel, before the new Warp Scale, hence it's ability to travel at Warp 12!
Warp Factor 12? I thought the Constitution Class Refit had a max speed of Warp 8.1, max emergency speed of Warp 9.Something? I think I am taking that Warp 12 with a little grain of Stardust.
No, you are incorrect... It is in fact Warp Factor 12, Old Warp Scale of course! No grain of stardust required on that one!
I would like to see the ships of the ORIGINAL Starfleet Musuem, by Masao Okazaki.
Though I am a fan of Masao's work, there is NO such thing as the "ORIGINAL" Starfleet Musuem, there is only the canon Starfleet Museum!
it would be helarious if the Battlestar Galactica was docked there. it would be cool to see previous versions of the Starfleet Museum and other nations equivalents.
ALso i REALLY want to know where they got that Ktinga from. the HMS bounty was stolen in a completly bizare way. maybe the K'tinga was a gift from the kliingons after the Dominion war?
The K'Tinga Class Klingon Vessel is Kronus One from Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country!
Is there an actual canon explanation for how a vertical (or perpendicular to a ship's gravity plating, at any rate) warp core is functionally better than a prone one? I don't doubt it's easier to maintain and eject if necessary, but in just operating, how? Considering how easy it would be to exclude a gravity well around the core and the warp conduits.
All we know, is it simply IS better!
Great vid but whether many fans like it or not the sizes of some of these ships have been retconed as official canon. The Connie is now 450ish meters. I imagine the refit would be 475-500 meters. Personally I think they needed a size, not cosmetic, upgrade anyway. Sets never really fit, especially the massive TMP hangar bay. Doug Drexler himself felt the tos Connie was too small to truly make the sets fit and I believe he pegged the ship over 400m to make everything fit properly.
It doesn’t really make sense that the nx refit was nearly the same size as the Connie anyway. If you look at the starship museum fx, the E -A is pretty clearly upscaled next to the titan and ultimately the D.
Don’t get me wrong, I think the SNW E is ugly as F, but the size makes a whole lot of sense and at the time when Matt Jeffries designed the E the largest ships were the Iowa class Battleships and Carriers. 50 years later (besides the retired Big E) they are making far more massive ships at sea.
Sorry, but you are incorrect. Production material shows that the team actually kept the original stats for all the classes, so Im not sure where you got this odd idea, but it's just wrong! Please refer to x.com/DaveBlass/status/1641118176183197696 to better understand the topic you're discussing!
Since we see a tos constitution, does that mean that discovery isn't canon, since its depiction of a Connie was different?
No not at all... DSC is canon, akways has been, always will be, so accept that! And there is plenty of time for DSC Connie to become TOS Connie, so it really doesn't affect canon at all!
Your comment has been deleted for disrespecting channel rules and the community here by referring to DSC incorrectly, using a derogatory term. Do not do it again, or you will be banned. Try displaying some of the basic fundamentals of the show you claim to cherish like respect for others!
As to the rest of the comment, it doesnt matter what you or I think... DSC is canon, and in the same timeline as TOS, TNG etc... So both are accurate... Point blank, the end!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics so then I can only conclude that there were no memorable star trek: discovery era vessels, as depicted by the star trek: picard showrunners. Maybe you can hold to those values you espouse by answering the critique instead of attacking the messenger. Unsubbed.
Dude, you're not that important... Declaring your "unsub" like you're the Queen of UA-cam just proves what I've already said above, that you do not embody the basic fundamentals of the show you "cherish" so much! No one will shed a single tear for your loss, and the channel will go on! And no one attacked you, you just dont like the answers and are projecting your nonsense to make you feel better. Your deleted comment broke channel rules and was argumentative and disrespectful, so dont blame me for calling you out on that!
As for what vessels are important from the DSC Era, well first, there's PLENTY of room inside! Second, there's also a ground museum as seen in Lower Decks. And whether a ship from that Era is included or not, doesnt change that DSC is canon, and in the same timeline as TOS, TNG etc... So again, whether you like it or not, you need to accept it! CYA!
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Max speed of the Enterprise A was warp 9 not warp 12!
Sorry you are incorrect... It is in fact warp 12 old Warp Scale! As told by Gene Roddenberry himself in his Novelization of the Motion Picture! And I think he'd know his own ship best! And thats just the first source of MANY that say that!
I'm sorry... Warp factor 12?
I though warp 10 was a theoretical "infinite" speed already
Did I miss something about the constitution refit or an event that allowed for such a warp measure?
Yes, you've missed the fact that the warp scale was changed in the early 24th Century! So these are speeds based before that change!
Enterprise A? warp 12???
Yes!!!!
States Class USS Arkansas NCC-6300
None of those starships are yet to be canon in the Fleet Museum!
The State class is FASA Fan design. Four fasa fan designs are are canon.
Oh I know... But not in the fleet museum lol
Oh and PS only 2 FASA designs were elevated to Canon status! And just barely at that!
The New Jersey's registry is too high. NCC 1975 would put its building around the early 2380's, still being built as unmodernized Connies. Minor oversight.
Sorry you are incorrect, as Registry Numbers have never been an accurate way to determine a ship or classes age, See Constellation, Grissom and Discovery for just a few examples off the top of my head, so no oversight at all except on your part!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics So, the ship registries are random. Ok.
As i said, they have never been an accurate way to determine age, plain and simple, for the above stated reasons and many others!