DOUBLE DRAGON IV HISTORY - Is This Game A TOTAL DISGRACE !?
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In today's video we look back at 2017's Double Dragon IV. Arc System Works' Double Dragon game that has one of the most chronologically confusing names in history. What was this game all about and is it worth your time? Let's find out as we look at this title's history.
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I don't get why most critics hated and panned Double Dragon IV. I thought it was fine.
I just wish the later enemies weren't cheap and it had unlimited continues.
Hey, Top Hat Gaming Man! Speaking of Arc System Works, can you please do a video on BlazBlue: Calamity Trigger?
How cash grab is this game? Lol I paid 5 dollars for it and played it for 2 weeks. I had fun with it and if I never go back I got my moneys worth. Double dragon neon is my true to date double dragon game...
@@hjames78 Do you find 4 to be awful? I thought it was decent because it has the satisfying gameplay of 2.
Maybe I'm biased cause DD II is one of my favorite games of the NES.
What I wish for.
Double Dragon VS River City. A crossover game between Double Dragon and Kunio-kun.
And, can we get a series on and about the Kunio-kun series?
You could always fight Randy and Andy the Dragon Twins at the end of RCR with the Double Dragon theme playing in the background.
They also appear in the spin off Stay Cool Kobayashi as enemies
That would be pretty rad. I wish they would remake Double Dragon Advance and River City Ransom EX for modern consoles. Those games were so rad!!
River City Girls has so many references to Double Dragon that it is effectively a crossover.
Uh..... you think the NES DD games are ugly? DD1, yes, but 2 and 3 look great, in my opinion. I personally like DDIV's presentation because it reminds me of DDII, my favorite in the series. It just doesn't play like it. Certainly not a bad game, though.
I loooove Double Dragon IV. it was a very fun playthrough and when you beat the game there was a tower mode you could play that unlocks more characters. It was lots of fun
And a full on one on one mode with fully playable Abobo.
Budget game or not... for those of us that grew up with Double Dragon 1 and 2 in the arcades AND on the NES... this game was an absolute BLAST!
Heavily agreed. It was double dragon 2 part 2 lol. It was tons of fun, and the challenge was right.
That's the problem.
I grew up with Master system port.
The NES version though excellent
doesn't hold any nostalgia for us.
And this game is build on nostalgia.
I never played it I hope it still available on xbox or ps I need to play this game
Yes! Finish the worlds most complete UA-cam Double Dragon series documentary with the remaining spin-offs.
Nah not a disgrace. It could've been better, of course. At least they assigned more moves to different buttons, and the platforming wasn't as terrible as it was in the NES days.
This was better than Double Dragon 1,2, & 3 for Nintendo.
It's obvious he is European, he grew up playing Sega 😂. How can he give his opinion on an nes game when it's obvious he did not grew up with this style? He hates nes graphics in general, he said it himself.
Those spinning cross platforms were about as awful.
@@jamesmuller1481 I don't know what gave you that opinion, but I disagree and you're wrong.
Double Dragon 1 and 2 were outstanding and we're best-sellers on the NES. It what made the name prominent when it came to beat'em ups.
DD3 was terrible and strayed away from the formula.
And DD4 didn't fair well either.
@@TGMShoNuff I like 4 better and there's nothing you can do to stop me.
Explaining Double Dragon IV's presentation requires looking at how the Nekketsu Kunio series has been handled over the last two decades. The Nekketsu Kunio series started with more realistic graphics, and would return to both more realistic as well as higher quality "cartoon" graphics on the SNES, NeoGeo, PS1, and the like. But once the brand was revived, Nekketsu Kunio releases have kept going back to the NES SD style or "enhanced" NES SD style designs. Arc System Works likely felt the same treatment would work for Double Dragon, which arguably saw its own greatest interest during the NES era.
Strong disagree. DDIV's graphics look very attractive. That being said, the NES character sprites (ripped straight out of DDII) do not mesh well with the backgrounds, because the backgrounds are a lot more detailed than the NES was capable of.
Like Shovel Knight?
@@mr.awesome6011 Shovel Knight's character sprites mesh better with the backgrounds. I don't think the backgrounds were all that more detailed than the characters. Both backgrounds and characters were more detailed than the NES could handle, while at the same time retaining a NES look to them.
By contrast DDIV's backgrounds are as detailed as Shovel Knight's, or maybe even more so, while the characters have been ripped straight out of DDII, and no effort has even been made to touch them up for the higher quality backgrounds.
I still think the game looks quite attractive, but the uneven graphics make it look like a ROM hack.
Can't agree with this one. I thoroughly enjoyed Double Dragon IV, thought the graphics were fun and fit, loved the soundtrack and found the controls and gameplay to work nicely. Platforming... well, that is a sore spot, but it's never been done well in any Double Dragon game, so I'll give you that. I do appreciate the points you bring up in its defense, though.
This game makes more sense if you grew up playing the NES version, which was my case. If you didn't grew up in the late 80s and early 90s, and played the NES version, you won't care for it or understand it. This game seems like it was made for a very specific audience, and definitely weren't trying to please everyone or attract new fans, like Streets of Rage 4. For guys like me, it kinda felt like the proper sequel to Double Dragon 2 on the NES that we never had, aside from the ridiculously hard and flawed Double Dragon 3. Sure it ain't perfect, and it could have been done way better, but for what it is, i don't think its that bad.
Though i can't shake the feeling this would have worked better as a Mini game or an "extra" on either a brand new modern Double Dragon game, or as part of a Double Dragon compilation release.
So just like Sonic Mania and Megaman 9 and 10?
Yea, I grew up playing the first three double dragons on the NES. So a remake like this makes sense to me. I saw it in the arcades as a kid, but never played it. The NES versions are what I am most familiar with.
My argument here would be: there was newer technology, they should not have done the “retro refit” to make this look like a NES. Double Dragon Neon DID take advantage of the technology of the time. Even Double Dragon Advance took that the Game Boy Advance had and made great use out of it. I think I would choose one of these two rather than the 8-bit mess that was DD IV.
@@theodorehsu5023 It wasn't a mess though.
Yeah I grew up playing the NES games, that don’t mean I don’t want them ever evolve past it. This was the problem with Mega Man. MM9 was a nice nostalgia trip, but even the NES graphics got old by the time 10 came
Hmmm...I still like Super Double Dragon more. Catching an opponent's punch was cool 😁😁😁
I’ll be honest, I didn’t know it had been released, last one I played was neon on I think ps3. But it would definitely have made sense to remake double dragon or 2 in proper HD with no flicker or slowdown. But obviously a continuation of the story… forgetting Rosetta Stone
Them mimicking the NES games is why I'm going to buy it. For me all my best memories are of the games on the NES. It's the western, meme trash like Neon that there's no way I'd ever buy.
Have you looked at the Neo Geo Double Dragon games?
Hey, Top Hat Gaming Man. You should do a video on River City Girls! It is a spinoff of River City Ransom.
The biggest crime is that this game is not called quadruple dragon
I think it looks fine. It's definitely retro for me. And I was there back in the day to play Double Dragon 2 on NES. I am going to play it for sure.
I view this game as a "greatest hits collection" of elements from the Double Dragon NES trilogy.
Can't speak for anyone else, but I enjoyed Double Dragon IV. Double Dragon II NES is one of my all-time favorite games, and I realize a lot of that is tied into my nostalgia for it. But Double Dragon IV tapped into those feelings well.
I loved double dragon IV mainly because I loved NES double dragon II. Being able to play as Abobo and the mysterious warrior was a dream-come-true. Well worth the money.
Funny you put this video out today, Limited Run announced today that they are going to sell physical copies of Double Dragon IV for Switch, later in the month.
Yup, because money
Thank the gaming gods for Streets Of Rage 4
I deleted this game off my Switch right after I beat it, and I wasn't even close to needing the space
Ok
Fans have made better OpenBOR DD entries, and DD Neon is WAY superior, but I do agree with another commentator that at least DD 4 isn't as frustrating as the third game.
NES graphics? If you have any guts, emulate Neo Geo graphics! It's the console that everyone wishes they had, but almost no one did. Okay, the Saturn would make equivalent graphics pretty affordable to everyone, but we still remember that Neo Geo thirst.
My point is, make something we WISH we had back then, not something that's a pale reflection of what we DID have back then!
Double Dragon 4 is awesome!
Not gonna lie was waiting for this video since I came across your Double Dragon retrospective. The game is certainly isn't another Double Dragon Neon, but it has it's own charm.
Agreed. Neon was really underrated. I had a blast with that game and the RPG style progression systems, new game plus on hardest mode. Neon wasnt really my preferred art style at all but the game as a whole really grew on me.
Double Dragon neon was trash
@Alan B - Nope. DD Neon is millenial-pandering trash with fake 80's, forced aesthetics like special moves linked to mix tapes + VERY un-Double Dragon artwork. Like SoR4, it looks like a Flash mobile game. Speaking of SoR4, I don't tow the line on that one either. It's new dlc looks woke af with it's new, manly wahmen powerhouse character 👎.
Double Dragon Alpha??? 🧐
Why do we shit on this for the NES style graphics but we let MegaMan 9 & 10 get away with it?
And Sonic Mania but 16bit
You should take a look at Double Dragon Forever. A fan game for the PC.
Don't listen to "game journalists". Most of them aren't even gamers, just looking for a paycheck. This game rocked
Let me save everyone 20 minutes:
Graphics outdated! Makes reviewer angry! Rawr!
Caddicarus: THIS IS PS4!
A DD game with ArcSys' signature anime style would be SO nice to see
New Double Dragon IV ain't bad.
If you walk to the very bottom of the screen, the cpu can't hit u. Makes it easy to tap up and take someone out, go back down and be safe
Wow! Didn't know how much dissatisfaction was out there for DDIV while I agree with the opinion on the graphics the game was supposed to be a return to form after a series of inconsistent sequel's that didn't feel like the original work as the series was passed around to multiple creators and companies. Double Dragon IV felt more like Double Dragon then any of those games (Neon) included. This was no coincidence as the guy who created part IV was Kishimoto the creator of Double Dragon. This was his return to the series after Double Dragon III on Famicom/NES. Double Dragon IV is the official canon sequel to those games like it or not.
Super Double Dragon is 4 the reason it's called Super Double Dragon instead of double dragon 4 or super double dragon 4 is because Konami released super castlevania 4 prior and technos didn't want to copy what Konami already did when it comes to titles
Saying NES games only looked the way they did due to graphical limitations is the most Captain Obvious statement of the decade. Keep in mind that historically speaking Double Dragon II was one of the most technogically advance games on the NES using the MMC3 chip and to me still looks amazing. By you standards prehistoric cave painting are fugly as well. Lol.
Heh, just noticed I got my 6 month badge last month. … 3DS here I come
I really liked Double Dragon 4. I really like these new retro style games. Cyber Shadow is another good one.
Maybe we can consider the V in the game as Versus, like they did Batman V Superman. So it would be Double Dragon Versus.
IMO, the series isn't complete until it's covered everything. Double Dragon iOS and Game Gear are two entries that honestly only you could cover satisfactorily. I say, let's do it.
Why do people hate this game? I thought it was cool :(
The only thing I didn't like about Double Dragon IV is that it ignores Super Double Dragon/Return of Double Dragon, which is probably the best in the series (especially Return, the Super Famicom version). No enemies from that game return, nor are versions of Billy and Jimmy from that game unlockable (despite the weirdness of 16 bit sprites being in an otherwise 8-bit game, it would have been nice). It just ignores a great game.
I agree. That’s why I’m happy to see Super Double Dragon get a proper rerelease. Basically ignoring this game now
Around 2006-2007 there was a short video-remake of Double Dragon II (NES) in the page NewGrounds (I forgot the name of the video, sorry). That (flash) short was very popular, and many people asked to have a Double Dragon remake based on that NES style but with the awesome attacks there showed (the drill dive attack from DD4 looks identical to the one in the video). So probably DD4 might have been done based on the popularity of that short, expecting to be as liked as that one, which also seems to have inspired Abobo's Big Adventure. I just purchased DD4 for Switch (I still like my NES DD games), and don't have high expectations, but hopefully will enjoy it. Thanks for the history of DD4.
I enjoyed the game and played it for hours. Since double dragon II is my favorite in the series and I still played it after all the modern, it was extremely easy to like Double Dragon 4. I always wanted to play as a dragon with the fireball and as the Mysterious Warrior. I my brother and I replayed it multiple times every time we earned new characters. Considering the price, this was a great buy.
Really think this game would have looked so much better if they would have just changed the sprites for the main characters. All the other sprites look a lot better.
Not sure about that. I have no problem with the sprites for the main character.
DDIV was indeed a disgrace, because it harkens back to 8-bit NES era. That's not the direction we wanted.
Instead, they should've made a sequel to Super Double Dragon, one that also fixes all the issues with that game.
What? I loved the 8-bit NES games so yes, that was the direction I wanted. Who wouldn't want it be designed after the best era in the series? In no way is that a disgrace
I remember playing Double Dragon: Fist of Rage, a fan game in the early 2000's. This was before BOR/OpenBOR was all the rage. Can't remember if the game engine was original or made with one of those "game making" programs that were so popular back then. This might be a nice one to cover. If I remember well, this was sort of a 16 bit looking remake of the first 2 DD games from the nes, with some platforming. Never played the NES games, so I might be worng, but I'm sure DD:FOR had platforming in it.
Thanks for picking this back up again. I was worried you weren’t going to keep this going!
Great video. I thought this game was pretty good. Much better than the first and third NES games. Even better than the second NES game in alot of ways. The third NES game is not balanced well difficulty wise but is a solid game. Theres alot of different enemies in this game and the survival type mode with all the playable characters was very cool, despite being able to spam certain moves for long periods of time. The game uses modern hardware to really put alot of enemies on screen and the wide screen gives more screen to work with than the old games. The AI is no dumber than previous NES games though. I think it holds up pretty well for being based on those older games. Design wise its a little generic but the gameplay is alot of fun. I also agree that it wouldve been better to have visuals on par with the arcade games or the GBA version which is my favorite beat em up of all time. The NES games were never anything like the arcade games they were based on but were fun for what they were. Still a downgrade gameplay and visually wise from the first arcade game.
i think the reason they went with the nes graphics is that, for a massive amount of people around my age (36), the only version they've ever seen of this game is the nes version. i grew up in the US and never knew it even was an arcade game until maybe 15 years ago. seeing this video (never seen/played dd4 before), i didn't even question the graphics. it looks like the only version of dd i ever played/seen in person (aside from battletoads/dd, which i consider a battletaods game, not a dd game).
EXTREMELY outdated graphics aside, I was always inquisitive as to how this game was over 1GB in size. It's not even that long...
"Bimmy and Jimmy" = instant thumbs up
thats a big ass crate...
in Russia we had hack of Renegade called Double Dragon IV and it was way better than this original DD4.
The NES graphics are not a problem, lot of us played the 8 bit games even more than the arcades! i was so hype of the 8 bit graphics. The main problem are some backgrounds, the music is just "meh", and the gameplay is garbage
This was one of my first game purchases on the switch eShop for me along with Metal Slug and the original Double Dragon. you can guess which one got the least play time
Consider looking into Legend of Double Dragon or Ultimate Double Dragon.
Yes please. The combat in those games is absolutely insane. More people need to be made aware of its existence
I got this game for $1.49 so I’m not complaining.
Rage of the dragon, you haven't covered that yet.
I love this game! Hell, this video made me start playing it again!
Neon was on the right path in the potential of Double Dragon reboot but took 10 steps backwards
Honestly, all this video did was make me want to play the game even more, cus it looks fun as hell if you ask me! Is there a Digital Switch version of this? Please tell me there is, cus I don't do Steam.
Yes. Buy it! 8 bucks. I've spent more on fast food
Not a disgrace, but still has the feel of a janky mediocre rom hack. Glad I got it on a Steam sale for like 2 bucks.
The really sore point for me is that when I first heard that Arc System works was going to release a new Double Dragon game, I was absolutely salivating at the thought of a Double Dragon game with Guilty Gear-esque graphics or something similar. Not this passable, at best, glorified rom hack.
There are definitely worse games than this, but compared to my favorite NES game of all time, the second Double Dragon for the NES, it definitely falls short. Great video!
Its by far not the best but its better than 3, atleast more enjoyably playable than 3.
If you want a real Double Dragon, checkout ultimate Double Dragon for openbor
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I really liked this game. I'll be honest, I thought you were going to completely trash it after hearing the first half of your video lol. Definitely worth playing!
Most mock 8-bit graphics commit the cardinal sin of using 4 colors + Transparent, while the NES is usually restricted to 3 colors + Transparent per 8x8 tile. If two sprites are drawn on top of each other, the limit doubles to 6 colors + Transparent, but it would flicker badly from the 8-sprite-per-scanline limit, and possibly exceed the 64 total sprites limit.
Screen Tearing: The Game
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Never knew Double Dragon kept going. While it's great to revisit the past. Maybe keeping the vibe & energy Neon had. But to go back to NES sprites.. yeah it's tough to really be excited
This is not for everyone. Maybe for those that dig the classic design more I guess.
DD2 on FC is very popular in Japan to a point that the PCE version is based on it so it is understandable that this game uses DD2 as a base.
Perry Saturn's coming!
Top Hat: It's not good, but at least it's cheap at $7.
Me: I can get the 3 Konami collections on the Switch of all places for $5 each.
Richard my man,I have truly enjoyed all the extensive coverage on not just Double Dragon history of games but also the entire fighting game genre. I would think it interesting if you want to maybe toss in an occasional RPG review I would like to hear your opinions on a few other game genres these days. But either way I will be watching the 2 channels. Thanks again
Got the platinum trophy on PS4. That tower with 100+ floors wasn't no joke!
The people I talked too couldn't handle more than 2 enemies on screen LOL
This makes me want to go play the best DD game Double Dragon 3 Rosetta Stone on the Mega Drive !
I wish they made MORE games with 8 bit, 16 and 32 bit graphics tbh. It can be nostalg uc and good at the same time.
Yeah, it's not terrible for what it is.
But it's by Arc System Works, so any failure of aesthetics - especially budget 8-bit aesthetics? I mean, c'mon. The background art sometimes shows the kind of confused pixel lines I'd only previously seen in the Saturn port of Symphony. Were they unable to port their own pixel art over in the correct aspect ratio?
Playing their apathy is just depressing.
I don't care how cheap it is.
The best version of Double Dragon is the one on GBA
Hate to hear what those critics would have to say about those 8 bit Bloodstained games.
If double dragon becomes a movie it should be made by Toei animation or Warner bros makes live action Ryan gosling could play Billy
Double Dragon 4 is actually meant to be double Dragon 6... the developers just mixed up the Roman numeral 6 with the 4 by placing the I before the V instead of the V before the I. It's simply a mistake that nobody caught because I remember the statement of super Double Dragon being 4 a long time ago when it released. Off topic Battletoads Double Dragon was the best Double Dragon game of all time
I understand why this game got its bad reputation. It could have used a bit more attention to detail and TLC, like having individual beaten-up thug pictures instead of groups built off of one template. Some missions could have felt a little more lively with some more enemies. Or even taking the time to give villains or old heroes their own little mission plots.
That being said, I enjoyed it, especially with the retro versions of the new music, which I think was the best part of the game. The combat is tight and feels like it should, and I love that each character has their own movesets. Abobo is crazy with the new moves they gave him. And the Tower is a nice challenge even if you have to cheese your way through it a bit.
I think its called DD4 as its the 4th chapter in the story and not a reboot or remake or spin off or side story. Sorta like Contra 4 on DS even though we had like a half dozen Contra games between 3 and 4. Or Start Wars ep 9 had Rogue 1 and Solo and that Clone Wars movies
The funny thing is I felt DD Neon was more of a disgrace by being less of an beat em up and more like a RPG tbh. I didn't care much for it.
I think DD4 despite it's flaws was probably the most criminally misunderstood game of the generation by critics and fans of the series. It played like DD2, made hotkeys for specials, every single character in the game is playable and the tower while insanely hard is simply survival mode that surprisingly very few beat em ups have had. The music isn't too shabby either even if there aren't as many bangers.
Thought this video was about Dan by the thumbnail.
it has been mentioned in other of your DD videos, but since you've been making videos of some openbor mods, you should definitely make a video about UDD Ultimate Double Dragon, which is probably the best double dragon fangame and one of the best DD games period. An insane amount of moves, lot of playable characters including Sonny, Jeff and Chin/Ranzou from the nes DD3. there's a demo playable put there for people to give it a try, and you can see advances and teasers from the upcoming full project on Mauricio Herrera channel. Just make a youtube search with UDD gameplay to find out more. The soundtrack also is amazing.
The amount of work that's gone into UDD is mind boggling
sounds like nintendo hate
Not a disgrace, but probably the blandest "modern retro reboot" I've ever played.
I should be enjoying a game with lots of moves and the ability to play as enemy characters, but the game itself just feels like a slog.
Dude, DD for nes still plays well. DD 4 Doesn't play well, it feels like a cheap tacky knockoff of the nes games. That's why it sucks.
What if... and I'm just thinking here... what if Double Dragon V wasn't actually Double Dragon 5? What if the V was repurposed as "Versus"?
I have this on PS4, its a lot of fun but Arc System Works should of gave the game more effort in the graphics
The graphics worked. I bought it. I like it.