Matt's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle Tournament Fighters Retrospective
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Apparently Aska was gonna be Mitsu from the TMNT 3 movie, but it was changed at the last second because....well, the TMNT 3 movie happened.
I've heard this too.
@@sonder420 same here. I recall seeing this video from Whang!. Apparently there was a beta build where she was named Mitsu. ua-cam.com/video/1a7P4JqweMc/v-deo.html
Yeah, I actually thought it was her when I was little because I didnt remember her name from the movie. I saw it once or twice.
I was hoping someone mentioned this in the comments. Whenever I play TF on SNES, I always call her Mitsu. The TMNT 3 movie may have been objectively terrible but Mitsu was pretty cool! So I think of this game as a redemption for this character.
why did they give her such a horny redesign tho?
Sisyphus is a weird choice, but the fact that he's a dung beetle (which roll balls of poop) and is named after a Greek figure who was sentenced to push a boulder for eternity, is hilarious.
There should have been an eagle named Prometheus too. Every name they used could of been an Italian Renaissance painter, or from Greek and japanese mythology. Would of been tight!
Yeah, as soon as I head of Sisyphus, I wanted him to show up in at least one of the cartoons as a Turtle Pal. Also, there's apparently a Sisyphus beetle in real life, so double reference! It'd probably be a bit of an ask, but it would be cool if an edition of TMNTXJL would have updated sprites of the non SNES characters. Just to have them all in one place.
@@emanuelespinoza9325 that would seem to track with what little info of him is on the wiki. Damn shame, because there arent many bug based mutants, let alone beetles, and it's a fun idea.
"See ya in hell!"
"Still pushin' that boulder?"
"Yup!"
He's gotta roll that poop forever
After seeing the Turtles in Injustice, it's clear WE NEED A NEW TMNT TOURNAMENT FIGHTERS FOR CURRENT GEN.
I'm dying for that to happen lol.
I love how this game mashed up the different iterations of TMNT and used some lesser-known Archie and Mirage characters. Karai was a virtual unknown to most fans in 93, and it wasn't until the 2003 series and onwards she became a regular fixture. Thanks for the great retrospective!
Teenage mutant ninja rattlesnakes are next I feel it!
Yeah that’s pretty cool this game brought Karai into the mainstream.
@@miahthorpatrick1013 warm up on TOURNAMENT FIGHTERS cause it will be out this year soon on all platforms with the TMNT COLLECTION with online play😎😎💯
@@kengoku3498 I bought my Brooks adapter for the snes to practice with my ps4 controller now.
@@belojah2 never thought in a million years that I'll be able to showcase my skills with Aska to the world😃😃💯first day purchase but confused about getting it on Switch or Xbox
1992’s “The Art of Fighting” had a “spirit gauge”, which would do a number of things once full such as making fireballs stronger, but you could also spend some of the sprit gauge to use a super move. So that would be the first fighting game with a super meter.
I was about to write this but you beat me to it
That classic Konami Intro never gets old
Back in these days konami gave us some real bangers
@@Poever my friends and I killed that Tournament Fighters cartridge on the SNES. Also a favourite of mine was metal warriors. Really ahead of it's time that.
Love your retrospectives and this is another great one. As for your question about the first Super Meter I believe the first game to use one was Art of Fighting in 92, although it did look much rougher than this.
Thanks for the info!
@@MattMcMuscles I believe Samurai Shodown/Spirits was also released before TF
@@opiumized Yes but I'd argue that one doesn't quite count. It's not a resource meter per se, as you cannot consume it using any moves. It just alerts you when your character "enrages" so to speak and is purely timer based in terms of consumption. SS2 had super moves that consumed that meter, however it came out in 1994.
I don't think AoF's meter counts, as it's fundamentally a different type of meter. It's meter was for special moves, not super moves or even enhanced specials. It also refilled differently, as it started out full each round and would rebuild based on time alone, not by building it up using attacks or by taking damage.
"Did Ninja Turtles have the first Smash Ball?!?"
I got this for the SNES back in the day and used to break my friends' wills to live with Wingnut.
"right off Casey's bat" nice. I also would have accepted 'right off the Jose Canseco bat'.
Hey what are you some sorta punker?
God, I hate punkers.
A Jose Conseco bat? Tell me you didn't pay for that!
@@iangilliam2736 "you gotta know what a crumpet is to understand CRICKET"
TMNT Tournament Fighters on SNES is the REAL version imo, the Sega Genesis & NES are just cheap knock offs for the lesser systems. The SNES version is a true gem! One of the best Ninja Turtles game AND one of the best fighting games of the 90s. on par with Street Fighter, better imo
Tmnt feels like a slam dunk for franchise to be a fighting game, with all the mutants characters.
And nice with Asuka :eyes:
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Looks like I found my game to play on Fangame Friday.
Aska was actually going to be Mitsu from TMNT 3. You can find this out by the prototype of the game. I believe she was changed into Aska due to TMNT 3 doing poorly.
Yeah I was surprised this wasn't mentioned in the video.
I wish they had released a fourth version for Game Boy, simply so all four turtles could be on the cover. Edit: I swear you guys, I posted this comment before I heard Matt say the exact same thing in the video. I promise with all my promise monies.
I believe you
@@michaelwilliams2231 Thank you. That means a lot. I've been struggling with people accusing me of just copying Matt.
The SNES version of TMNT tournament fighters is the best version of the game hands down.
That’s not up for debate. What is debatable is if the Japanese or American version of the snes game is the better one.
debated here, characters better in snes for sure, game play and music better on Genesis imo
wish there was just one version with all the characters
smh why is casey fucking jones NES exclusive
@@yurifairy2969 Casey Jones is also in the Genesis version.
amen
As someone who only played the SNES version growing up, I was wondering if I was some Mandela effect victim during the opening summary for the Genesis version. Never knew the two ports were significantly different
I didn't even know they had a Megadrive version, I only ever knew about the SNES version
Yeah I was confused for a second.
From what I've read, the NES version is hard to find in the US and other countries where the NES had wide availability, but is common in developing countries with Famiclones.
@@richardfan7157 Sadly Richard, it's because the NES version released in 1994 and that's the last year North America recieved any nes games as super Nintendo and genesis were long implanted in people's minds for the jew systems to play
Art of Fighting actually introduced a special/super meter and desperation move. September 1992 was the release date.
Really? I thought it was Samurai Shodown 1993.
@@joejefferies7209 Same company just different series.
Samurai Shodown had a meter, but originally it only served to make your attacks more powerful when filled (super moves were not introduced in the series until SS 2)
Those are more like Desperation Moves like the ones in Fatal Fury. Yes, AOF has a meter but is used for every special move and you need to charge it manually, doesn't fill with your attacks like a modern meter is. I believe that TMNT is the one that premiered the traditional Super Meter.
AoF's meter is basically a stamina gauge, nothing like TMNT or the SSF2T one.
I remember being a kid and seeing the SNES version being played at a Blockbuster gaming tournament.
Blew my lil genesis fanboy mind, started saving that summer for an SNES.
I would love to see you do a retrospective on the Mecha Fighting games that Bandai Made "Power Ragners : Fighting Edition" and "Gundam Wing: Endless Duel"
If he talked about Gundam Battle Assault which was basically Gundam Street Fighter I'd lose it lol
Honestly, I think we're overdue for a new TMNT fighting game. Beat em Ups are nice and all, but Tournament Fighters and Injustice have shown there's a lot of untapped potential in having a fighting game set in the Turtle-verse.
Honestly just tweeted how the FGC needs a new TMNT fighting game!
FULLY AGREE!
There actually was a TMNT fighting game for the Nintendo Wii and PlayStation 2 called "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Smash Up", which played similarly to the Super Smash Bros. games in terms of gameplay.
hold your horses ...I need to see a mega man power fighters before we get a new turtle fighting game.
@ how bout both!
So all these games are getting rereleased on all current systems along with the tmnt arcade games with online play! Here’s hoping the online is rollback for TMNT Tournament Fighters!
Brother, you are truly talented at what you do. Your retrospectives, flophouse files and what happened are highlights of my day when new ones drop. Thank you for this awesome content.
Great video, the SNES version of this game is still awesome to play even today, this game, MMPR The Fighting Edition & Gundam Wing Endless Duel are 3 of the best 'underrated' fighting games on the SNES imo. :)
I would love to see an episode like this about World Heroes from SNK. It's one of those fighting games that I fell in love with as a kid because I was obsessed with anything remotely like Street Fighter. I realize it's not as good as I remember it but I still think it's pretty decent.
World Heroes is such an underrated series. It's goofy as all get-out, but that's why it's so much fun.
This was one of my favorite games on the system. The cafeteria music, my god the memories
Thank you for giving the SNES version its due. Was absolutely one of my favorites. Raphael's spin attack into the German suplex combo was the ultimate cheese against karai
So excited for more people to give this a watch thanks to the Cowabunga Collection, thank again Matt for everything you've done to help spread the word of Tournament Fighters!
The character select theme from TF on SNES is my ring tone.
I had that too for a while aha
Neon night riders is mine
You'll be surprised how tight and fluid TMNT TF in NES, lack of rosters and lack of depth make it less interesting, other than that, control, pixel, and music are awesome 😁👍
There are rumors that Aska was meant to be the village warrior character from the third live action movie.
Mitsu which found in the files aska was named mitsu orginally before being changed to aska
Now I want Max to do a boss rage and aim for Karai! XD
I was the perfect age when this came out, so it and Mortal Kombat were the two games that got the most playtime on my SNES for about a year or so. I had hundreds of TMNT figures, but was just starting to "outgrow" them (I still kept collecting them, but felt too old to play with them anymore), so this game for me was the perfect thing at just the right time.
13:03 Art of Fighting was the very first. It's from 1992
Also Samurai Shodown
@@jon1580 Those are meters but not SUPER meters like we are used to. In Samsho only increases your damage, and AOF's meter is used for every special move and you have to manually charge it, the "super moves" are more like the DM in Fatal Fury. I believe that TMNT TF has the badge of the first fighting game with a traditional super meter.
I’m not saying this is a 10/10 game, but it’s crazy how many people dismiss it as “just some cheap Street Fighter clone”. This game is awesome, way better than it’s reputation. An underrated gem for sure.
Shame the same couldnt be said for the Genesis version..
@@yuvraj01 Yeah, that game is pretty rough compared to the SNES version.
I still have the NES version, box and all. Worth a mint because it’s rare. I stand by the fact that the game is a solid tournament fighter for what the NES was capable of.
I like the nes version better
I grew up with the Genesis version, but I knew of, and always wanted to play the other two versions as well.
I know the Genesis one is considered the worst, but it captured my imagination with it's unusually dark tone, sometimes haunting music and stage art, and the fact that a normal, human martial artist was more powerful than Krang's android body or a Triceraton warrior. That was just so cool to me!
It also blows my mind that these games may have invented stage transitions and instant replays in fighters.
And hey, since the Cowabunga Collection is hitting every platform this year, I'll finally get to play all of 'em :D
i really like the NES tournament fighters, it's not like a traditional fighting game at all, it's a simple fighter but very addicting
What a great episode! I had the Genesis version. My god that game was difficult for my child brain back then. Still a lot of fun and that muffled KO voice from the turtles has echoed in my brain for as long as I can remember.
SHELL SHOCK... :(
I didn't even notice the kids in the arcade scene of TMNT 1 were playing Double Dribble & Blades of Steel!! 🤣
Killer episode. Love your content. Thank you for for putting out such entertaining videos.
I was about to say
a Remix of TMNT Tournament Fighters
of all 3 versions would be nice.
Like all the fighters and stages from the Genesis and Snes ports
with a dash of the Nes mechanic with the Orb ball thing.
I loved the attitude of this game. I guess they were going for that teenager demographic because these turls were fierce and the music gave the sense of urgency and seriousness.
Seeing Shredder fighting Leonardo at 14:30 is what Im talking about. They look like they are actually fighting; Like shredder is actually trying to BEAT. HIS. A$$ haha.
Something tells me this video is about to get a LOT more views after the announcement of The Cowabunga Collection.
I still have this game for my sega genesis. This and the hyperstone heist are legit
I had the SNES game back in the day, always used Donatello with his bo spin attack beat the whole game with it. Still love it
Hey I did the same LOL!
Speaking of over saturation. Let's not forget the "Coming Out of Our Shell Tour". Even as a Turtle fan in the 80s, by this time, I knew this was too much. Yeesh
Including a new female 5th turtle, Venus de Milo! In a sad attempt to expand/pander the market to girls. Ugh!
@@RogeriusRex There were actually 2 Turtles concerts; after "Comin' Out of Our Shells", there was another, lesser one called "Gettin' Down in Your Town", which I never knew about until Phelous reviewed it.
As for Venus, the idea behind her wasn't bad, but the execution of the character and the show was on definitely was. In competent hands, Venus could've worked.
Wow, that I'd never seen the NES port... that looks amazing for the console... looks more like a modern 'throwback' indie game than an actual game that launched on the system.
I just want to say that i still genuinely appreciated the TMNT inclusion in Injustice 2. it was such a perfect representation.
Yes, but we deserved Shredder with them.
I have conflicted memories of this game. I love this game sooo much but it was the last game my dad bought for me before he unfortunately passed away. This for SNES and Streets of Rage 2 are all I wanted to play after I heard the unfortunate news.
Man, I can't believe I live in a timeline where all 3 versions of this game are gonna get rereleased in the same collection
Damn, now I wanna hear the SNES OST, it really was great! I really liked the sound mixing of that game, had a lot of "omph".
yeah, the NES can do the floor scrolling by detecting each horizontal line being drawn on the screen and doing some scrolling code between each horizontal line. Its how the mist in the Mad Forest level of Castlevania III works
I absolutely loved and still love this game on SNES! I think I regard it as a much better game than most, but oh well. Great memories of playing it with friends as a kid on Friday nights.
I was aware of the TMNT CE and it's great so far. Guess there's a more advanced iteration of that in the works?
This video led me down a rabbit hole, I didn't know TMNT x JL existed. Glad I do now, very cool Mugen project.
did some research turns out the super meter mechanic was introduced or first used in Samurai Shodown (July 7th 1993.) before TMNT Tournament Fighters (Sep 4 1993). Pretty close in releases, but Samsho was first.
You can't do supers in SamSho1. The Rage meter only increases your damage.
I still have the cart, and it's easily one of the best fighting games on the SNES. MAN I LOVE THIS GAME!
Ah yes, the SNES version consumed many a weekend when I was a kid, playing it with my sister. (She'd kick my ass when ever she played Aska... But I still had fun.)
I actually think the sprites are really good especially the turtles
I remember playing random emulated games on my computer and when i found all three games being a huge turtles fan i loved every single one of these games they were awesome also seeing armaggon for the first time on game just for him to be rebooted in the 2012 tmnt universe was a TREAT
I miss the days when two ports could be entirely different games
Wow, I feel kinda shortchanged having only gotten to play the Sega version as an 8 year old. Those stage transitions looked dope though, I don't even remember seeing that happen. Though I'm glad to hear that my doing so poorly in it really was because it just had really weird design choices, lol.
Also, that MUGEN mashup looks amazing, I'm totally going to get my friends in on it.
Damn, when I least expect it, Matt pimps more MUGEN on us right at the end, like this whole retrospective was just a build up to tell everyone TMNT v Justice League exists.
ADMIT IT!
As a collector of game boy fighting games I would have LOVED a game boy port of this. 🤩
Yeah I have weird tastes. 🤣
SNES port was friggin amazing
I had it, I played the hell out of it and I have no regrets.
Not the Genesis version though.
I had the SNES version of this game. I never knew the Genesis version was different. It was a pretty fun game and I got a lot of enjoyment playing it with friends back iin middleschool.
Even though i put more time into the genesis version, the time i spent with the snes version was just more fun in general. Not just because of the aesthetics but also because the gameplay felt much more satisfying since "combos" don't really exist in the genesis version.
Very happy to see a TMNT TF Genesis tech expert in the comments. Hope you are doing well and thanks for your awesome videos!
I really enjoyed this video. I loved the Mega Drive version, but it was just a weekend rental with some friends back in the day. I'm shocked there were two other version and I never heard about them.
From a guy who's played all 3 of the TMNT:TF games, absolutely blew this one away. Even if the damage and chip scales are broken af, I enjoy the SNES version most. I also picked up TMNTxJL and was blown away.
I have a vague memory of this game. I remember seeing it being played at someone's house when I was a little kid and I remember the shark character a bit, but I never got a chance to pick up and play it. Might have to find a SNES and track down the game.
Seriously, how hard is to figure out a perfect roster for a TMNT fighting game? I can't believe these all messed it up SO badly. They should never have included any of these obscure random characters, and definitely none of these ones made up especially for the game (Aska and Sisyphus). How hard is it? Seriously. Leo, Mikey, Don, Raph, Splinter, Casey, Shredder, Krang, Bebop, Rocksteady, DONE! And if they had extra space for more characters, then include (in this order) the Rat King, Baxter Stockman (fly form), General Traag, Leatherhead, and Sergeant Granitor. NOT HARD!
Wow great clips used throughout... can tell you’re a huge TMNT fan! And that cross over is so sick... wow, need to check that out. Thank goodness for the community!
Got curious on any Super Meters before SNES Tournament Fighters and found out that Art of Fighting (1992) had a gauge that depletes whenever certain moves are used.
I love SNES tf. Thanks for this. I didn’t even know of the other two versions!
If TF had just included Usagi Yojimbo in the SNES version it would have been the complete package. It's still so good though.
This reminds me how I always wanted a combo counter in TF for the SNES. I used to main Don and Mike.
After seeing the reveal trailer for the “Cowabunga Collection” that video brought me here. Well done Matt! I played the living hell out of the Genesis version as a child but later on would experience the SNES version. Much later though, I wound up paying a pretty penny for a copy of the NES version that I found at a retro game store in NYC & it was best $200 I ever spent for a complete copy as rare as it is.
As a fighting game enthusiast, I spent a lot of time with each version analyzing the differences and what were the best strategies for winning matches (& believe me it varies as you know). I just find each version so fascinating not just because they are fighting games but just the fact that they are really the only games that are “ports” for multiple consoles but they don’t even feel like it, they feel like their own games with their own merits. Even each game has their own storylines (albeit short and simple ones none the less).
With this all said, I stand hopeful that the “Cowabunga Collection” may make small alterations for these games (like make the bosses playable or simple tutorials for newer players for example). I’m probably asking too much for an HD collection of 11 games though lol!
Ultimately though, I want a remake of Tournament Fighters done by today’s fighting game
standards though. That would be a sight to see! Maybe combining all the best elements of all 3 Versions of the game’s storylines would make it a nice touch. I really see, only 3 companies taking this on, Nearherrealm (whole have already included the Turtles as DLC in Injustice 2 so I feel like there is a leg up there), Namco/Bandai or Capcom as long as their is a focused and devoted team of developers who are willing to take the old and mix it with the new. Who knows though, we will only wait and see what the future holds. :)
Samurai Shodown was the first fighting game with a super meter
Actually, it was Art of Fighting.
Well Frera Chakra to you, mr Mcmuscles, and love would like to see more of these retrospectives. Great channel all around my man. Ok and thank you brother
I had the SNES version as a kid. I was bummed out because i thought it would be like turtles in time instead of a fighting game. Still had some great times with this game playing with my friends and drawing the instrunction booklet art, never could beat Karai though.
Thank you for this, Matt. Was just telling someone about how joyful it was playing these back then.
Very fond memories of playing this on the SNES.
I had the SNES version and freaking loved it!
Had TF for the SNES and loved it, seeing it makes me want to buy it again wish they would make another one (not Konami though).
The NES version has the best soundtrack I have ever heard in a game, period.
Yo can we get a Power Rangers: The Fighting Edition/ Gundam Wing Endless Duel retrospective?
I still have the SNES version to this day. I only beat the tournament with Shredder once last year, and I still haven’t figured out how to master the special moves aside mashing buttons! It’s a great game with a gorgeous OST, with my favorite being the theme that plays for the Rat King fight.
Damn, that old Konami intro punched 9 year old me right in the face. 😩
5:40 It's not really their first time of showing a Triceraton and not delivering.
The Manhattan Project game has one on it's cover eventhough there isn't a single Triceraton in the game. They made/commissioned that art for the cover of their game since it does have Manhattan Island floating in the background.
I never really noticed how characters back then in most games tended to lack walk cycles they basically just slide everywhere.
I grew up playing TMNT on SNES. It's still very fun to play to this day and Cyber Shredder is my favorite character. Their is a reason why the game still has a, albeit very small, tournament scene.
Been meaning to play these really soon... grew up with it on the snes at some point. Honestly pretty memorable and felt like a real challenge to finish!
Love the SNES version. Still have it. The only downside for me was no casey jones
I remember I got the SNES version for my birthday back when I was a young lad in 1994. Still holds up!
Hell yeah! Love your retrospectives brother! Can't wait for the next fighting game theatre episode(hopefully fatal fury lol).
The time is so ripe to bring this game back into the spot light with a modern update. Power Rangers BftG has freaking Street Fighter characters crossing over into it, the nostalgia hype is REAL.
Man, I remember being awful at the Genesis version of this when I went to hang out with a friend in elementary school.
Awesome retrospective man. loved it. The SNES version was one of my favourite all time games on that system, such an underrated fighter! I was fuckin boss with Michaelangelo too..
I often put the snes TF ost, when I’m drawing to this day, it is an amazing Soundtrack!