8:40 is the start of when Salt goes down to "88" Health. Afterwards the only thing the bronze player said was "We probably should have killed him when he was running, oh he's low again!" Once they were already engaged with him.
yeah i was confused on how that proved they were stream sniping?? i do think that one guy was definitely listening to jays ideas but the health thing confused me
Honestly, I would like to see two GMs with stat increase against five bronze. I suppose I just want to hear a bit more cooperation and insane plays they can make. For example, one GM could have a 2.0x stat and the other GM could have a 1.5x stat against 5 bronze. It is just me though, great video.
Bronze players are so dead set on Bastion being a force to be reckoned with that they won't swap off. It's been something like this ever since Overwatch 1 and engrained in their heads.
Who would you play as DPS? They already had a reaper. You can shutdown Winston by popping his bubble and I'm not sure there's a better DPS than bastion for that, skill obviously comes into play but Winston shouldn't be able to dive a team with Bastion imo. Bit biased as I main Bastion but I'm not bronze and I do think Winston is the easiest tank to play against as Bastion.
That's because 1) Bastion destroys low elo play. He is a force to be reckoned with, think about it. 2) Bastion is arguably the 2nd strongest dps in the game right now, 2nd only to Sojourn
Yes cause in the "first" game Jay asked him if the 2.0x stats were to low he actually kinda ruined the 2nd game because he said "so you won with 3x stats and lost with 2x stats let's see how the 2.5 is"
As a bronze/silver player I always think we're better off relying on pure firepower, grouping up and concentrating it on a target, I feel like that can kinda make up for the lack of skill at times but once someone dies that strategy always ends cause no one will wait at a spawn or back out of a fight the team has lost.
i think using knowledge would pan better for you vs pure firepower. even if you lack skill, knowing counters and etc… will give you advantages at least. having to restart on OW2, that’s what i noticed climbing back through silver. got mfers straight feeding zarya with that same mindset
Really did feel like one of them was stream sniping. You can hear one of the players sounding like he had an epiphany when Jay called them out for stream sniping in the beginning.
One of the bronzes almost definitely was sniping. The fishy thing is how every time Jay gave a little bit of "I would do this" one comes up with an epiphany about what to do. Even swapped off Lucio to Ana at the beginning of the second game, so unless they were discussing what they play it's hard to tell. The biggest tell is one of them keeping tabs on Salt's health during Junkertown attack. I highly doubt it was Katie, the one getting epiphanies didn't sound like her at all. I'm guessing ZombieKing, but that's because of a previous vid where we saw the mic pop ups and it sounded like him.
or maybe, and this is a huge stretch, but maybe one of the bronze players is actually a human being with the ability to use their brain to come up with a plan, and since he's in a jay3 challenge video he feels more confident that the people on his team will actually listen to him.
Yeah, it kinda made me mad, swapped Lucio for ana and got Zen bc of what Jay3 said, they shouldn't be allowed to play anymore so lame, or make this series with a little bit of coaching but this is so school like behavior is lameee
You should do one of these with like chazm or another wrecking ball player would love to see like a 2x wrecking ball shred some bronze players and see the loadout they'd try
that 's kinda like the arcade mode where everybody has 2x stats and 1.5x faster cooldowns, you can just sit on cart forever and never die. We had a 3-min overtime fight just because they couldn't kill our moira
@@eterno2457 yeah Mayhem as Moira is super fun to play, frustrating to play against, especially since the orb can be dmg or healing depending on Moira's health Shadow dash, orb, dash, orb, dash, suck some health, dash, orb
I feel like these would be better for the single person if they had a cart bot to push the cart. The problem is they can't make progress and do anything at the same time. Like don't have the person on cart play at all, just auto walk back to cart and chill there.
I feel like in any of these types of videos, a good ana would change everything. Just sleep dart him, get junkrat or something ,trap him, then just burst him down with bastion or something. But that would require 1. good teamwork, 2. good ana. Well, against winston, it would be a lot harder to execute.
The best way to counter this, would be probably orisa, soldier, sojurn, zen, bap you need consistent high sustained dps and space to be able to shred that massive health pool, but Winston is the counter to that kind of play style so you’ll also need to make him choose who to dive and space out so it’s definitely a difficult thing to try to deal with.
@@gurimisenpai2358 every tank is an ult battery, in this case, it’s a 3 times buffed up Winston, you gotta give and take. Save your spear for when he dives and use it to create space and stun, and melt him, use fortify to stop some of that damage and full focus him the only way to beat it is out damage it with tons of sustained rapid fire dps which all of them have. The biggest issue in this case would be his shield but if you can bait it out or wait it out he dies fast.
Sojourn wouldn’t be very useful considering they’re bronze, soldier wouldn’t be very useful either way unless they hit mostly headshots, bastión is a must have because as long as they protect bastion, they’ll have an easier time. Orisa would be decent I guess but he would just dive the supports and leave the orisa alone. Zen is a glass cannon even more so in this so it’s up to skill and their discretion. Bro woudlnt be very good, Winston would drain their health to the minimum field allows, but also be attacking field at the same times, making it useless. Best way to burst him down would be to sleep him, then zen orb, then fully charge zen into headshots with bastion and reaper and roadhog (if you wanna be dumb you could also drop diva bomb on his head but she’ll be useless for the most part)
@@moo1675 I disagree for the most part about bastion being a must have, he’s more of a liability in this than good because all Winston has to do is put the bubble down and he becomes useless for the next 11 seconds and he’ll have another bubble by the time he gets sentry back. You need consistent reliable damage, which if they aim well enough soldier and sojourn provide in this case plus Winston is a big target to hit, his hit box is massive, zen is necessary even if he’s a glass cannon because of discord orb alone. Ana would be a decent pick though. Basically you’ll need to hit your shots as sojourn and as soldier and orisa because you’d need to melt him as much as possible and need consistent damage, even if he retreat’s the fight to get a health pack you should consider that a won team fight.
@@leviuzumaki3903 now that i think about sojourn would be a pretty decent pick since she can also slow him and get away fast, but I still disagree on soldier, he’d have the same issue as bastion on having all shots blocked by bubble, besides in a high pressure situation where monkey is hopping around and above them. For bronze players it’d be hard to hit consistent headshots, body shots against a Winston with that much health and increased health gain from packs would render anything from soldier that isn’t a headshot basically useless. Though I guess they could try to substitute soldier for sombra if they hack all the nearby health packs but eh I don’t have much faith in thst
Idk how well this would work but what if you did 3 bronzes (1 tank, 1 dps, 1 support) vs 1 gm with their cooldowns cut in half? I’m pretty new to the overwatch scene but something like that would be interesting to watch as well
You should do buffed bronzes against GMs, something crazy like 5x stats or something or 2 3x bronzes vs a team of GMs so we can see some cool strategies
@@sim233 It was just a loose suggestion that could be modified depending on how balanced it is, but I dont think its crazy to say that 5 GMs could take on a bronze with 4 or maybe even 5x stats
@@claytongreenlee7808 just remember that if it was 5x stats, a hanzo body shot would 1 tap almost every hero in the game or mccree could 2 shot every single hero in the game with only 2 body shots lol.
I'd go maybe grav dragon since I believe that is a kill. Then maybe an nano high noon? Sleep him then build that up. Then maybe zen for the damage buff. Seems the most optimal against the mega Winston
do you do these often? cause id love to join even tho i dont play ranked. my plan wouldnt be top kill but more stall him, i imagine as long as yopu hold the payload time will get it
These are honestly getting more frustrating to watch because everyone just keep running right up to the death machine and not playing to literally a single one of their strengths.
For this im a diamond player trying for masters i feel like sigma, ana, bastion, mccree, zen would be the best. Sigma deals half hp for his ult so he calls ult bastion immediately turrets zen orb on him so it should kill when winston ults no one shoot him and the ana tries to sleep and mccree is there for sigma mccree ult combo but mccree could be swapped for mei for her ult
Bro u HAVE to make sure their not stream sniping u can clearly tell they were lmao nice vid still maybe ow needs to make a rank for below bronze cuz that’s sad stream sniping😭
Fuzzy getting kinda toxic at the end o-O Also kinda weird of Salt to make that comment at 6:13 ..AIDS is a disease bro. Otherwise fun video to watch :)
Salt : 5:08 "no one supports me why am i always the villain"
Also salt: 6:36 laughing menaically like a movie villian while slaughtering innocents
@@mythical6806 If anything they are the most innocent because they are bronze players😂
@@mythical6806 fuck bronze player
see also: evil villain laugh at 3:50, and 5:24 "it's like watching robot AIs walk around" damn, that's cold 💀
@@infer2311 nah they was being hella toxic in chat
Reaper ult : die! die! die!
8:40 is the start of when Salt goes down to "88" Health. Afterwards the only thing the bronze player said was "We probably should have killed him when he was running, oh he's low again!" Once they were already engaged with him.
yeah i was confused on how that proved they were stream sniping?? i do think that one guy was definitely listening to jays ideas but the health thing confused me
There was a cut in the video when salt goes to get a health pack that’s when he said the 88 health thing
Also he killed the reaper at 88 health so it would've been in the killcam
Honestly, I would like to see two GMs with stat increase against five bronze. I suppose I just want to hear a bit more cooperation and insane plays they can make. For example, one GM could have a 2.0x stat and the other GM could have a 1.5x stat against 5 bronze.
It is just me though, great video.
GM vs gold or plat though. Not bronze.
Maybe no heal increase then, would make it more balanced
Would have to be against golds. They would absolutely run through the bronze no doubt.
You act like that’s gonna make a difference they still demolish
@@somerandomguy7325 did you read the comment? He said he wants to hear teamwork
Bronze players are so dead set on Bastion being a force to be reckoned with that they won't swap off. It's been something like this ever since Overwatch 1 and engrained in their heads.
I mean he does kinda shred
Who would you play as DPS? They already had a reaper. You can shutdown Winston by popping his bubble and I'm not sure there's a better DPS than bastion for that, skill obviously comes into play but Winston shouldn't be able to dive a team with Bastion imo. Bit biased as I main Bastion but I'm not bronze and I do think Winston is the easiest tank to play against as Bastion.
I'm picking bastion against any tank with a shield. Easy win
That's because
1) Bastion destroys low elo play. He is a force to be reckoned with, think about it.
2) Bastion is arguably the 2nd strongest dps in the game right now, 2nd only to Sojourn
Bastion tears through any shield hero
"I wish I could hit tab and look at the stats but Blizzard is a small company" LMAOOO
"What was the most annoying part?"
"Wholehog"
Next round
*goes Dva*
I think the order of how the rounds were played was reversed. It’s what it seems like using context clues on what was said in the video.
Yes cause in the "first" game Jay asked him if the 2.0x stats were to low he actually kinda ruined the 2nd game because he said "so you won with 3x stats and lost with 2x stats let's see how the 2.5 is"
7:11 that roadhog ult to keep winston inside the bastion ult was *chef's kiss*
I don't think I've ever seen a bronze player pull that off.
It was definitely by accident
Bro thought they meant to do that 😂
@@blazed0268 I agree, but immediately after in the comms they talked about it so it was a conscious choice after that :)
As a bronze/silver player I always think we're better off relying on pure firepower, grouping up and concentrating it on a target, I feel like that can kinda make up for the lack of skill at times but once someone dies that strategy always ends cause no one will wait at a spawn or back out of a fight the team has lost.
i think using knowledge would pan better for you vs pure firepower. even if you lack skill, knowing counters and etc… will give you advantages at least. having to restart on OW2, that’s what i noticed climbing back through silver. got mfers straight feeding zarya with that same mindset
Really did feel like one of them was stream sniping. You can hear one of the players sounding like he had an epiphany when Jay called them out for stream sniping in the beginning.
One of the bronzes almost definitely was sniping. The fishy thing is how every time Jay gave a little bit of "I would do this" one comes up with an epiphany about what to do. Even swapped off Lucio to Ana at the beginning of the second game, so unless they were discussing what they play it's hard to tell. The biggest tell is one of them keeping tabs on Salt's health during Junkertown attack.
I highly doubt it was Katie, the one getting epiphanies didn't sound like her at all. I'm guessing ZombieKing, but that's because of a previous vid where we saw the mic pop ups and it sounded like him.
or maybe, and this is a huge stretch, but maybe one of the bronze players is actually a human being with the ability to use their brain to come up with a plan, and since he's in a jay3 challenge video he feels more confident that the people on his team will actually listen to him.
Maybe they died to him and watched the kill cam
Yeah, it kinda made me mad, swapped Lucio for ana and got Zen bc of what Jay3 said, they shouldn't be allowed to play anymore so lame, or make this series with a little bit of coaching but this is so school like behavior is lameee
@@ass-wd4hp oh you can see people's health through walls so accurately you know the number?
@@ass-wd4hp you gave yourself away bronzie
You should do one of these with like chazm or another wrecking ball player would love to see like a 2x wrecking ball shred some bronze players and see the loadout they'd try
they'd probably try sombra but fail
I wonder how a buffed Moira would do. The self-heal sustain would be unreal
that 's kinda like the arcade mode where everybody has 2x stats and 1.5x faster cooldowns, you can just sit on cart forever and never die. We had a 3-min overtime fight just because they couldn't kill our moira
@@eterno2457 yeah Mayhem as Moira is super fun to play, frustrating to play against, especially since the orb can be dmg or healing depending on Moira's health
Shadow dash, orb, dash, orb, dash, suck some health, dash, orb
Yea I agree they shouldn't be allowed to stream snipe and gain intel. Disqualified! Replace the stream snipers with other bronze players.
I feel like these would be better for the single person if they had a cart bot to push the cart. The problem is they can't make progress and do anything at the same time. Like don't have the person on cart play at all, just auto walk back to cart and chill there.
Knowing that one of them is stream sniping really ruins the video for me.... It's just unfair and I get salt's frustration
Who the fuck cares? Your acting like it unpacked the game in any way. They were still getting their ass kicked.
Mate they are getting rolled and they're cheating
This could also be really interesting with a top 500 duo with adjusted stats vs x rank players.
Imagining something like Lucio Rein
You should give him 5x stats but the enemy team picks his character
I think it would be interesting
What can you do with a 5x buffed up Mercy hahha
@@deowardiman u underestimate how much damage that pistol do 😭
@@deowardimanshe would be basically unkillable with the health regen and two shot headshot pistol
this shows how op hog truly is even in the hands of a bronze player
finally jay uploaded. the best youtuber
I feel like in any of these types of videos, a good ana would change everything. Just sleep dart him, get junkrat or something ,trap him, then just burst him down with bastion or something. But that would require 1. good teamwork, 2. good ana. Well, against winston, it would be a lot harder to execute.
Lore accurate winston:
10:35 “Baby, getting cheated and getting outplayed ain’t the same thing.”
-Benny, Fallout NV
The best way to counter this, would be probably orisa, soldier, sojurn, zen, bap you need consistent high sustained dps and space to be able to shred that massive health pool, but Winston is the counter to that kind of play style so you’ll also need to make him choose who to dive and space out so it’s definitely a difficult thing to try to deal with.
Def not Orisa.
She'd be an infinite ult battery without any way to do significant DPS.
@@gurimisenpai2358 every tank is an ult battery, in this case, it’s a 3 times buffed up Winston, you gotta give and take. Save your spear for when he dives and use it to create space and stun, and melt him, use fortify to stop some of that damage and full focus him the only way to beat it is out damage it with tons of sustained rapid fire dps which all of them have. The biggest issue in this case would be his shield but if you can bait it out or wait it out he dies fast.
Sojourn wouldn’t be very useful considering they’re bronze, soldier wouldn’t be very useful either way unless they hit mostly headshots, bastión is a must have because as long as they protect bastion, they’ll have an easier time. Orisa would be decent I guess but he would just dive the supports and leave the orisa alone. Zen is a glass cannon even more so in this so it’s up to skill and their discretion. Bro woudlnt be very good, Winston would drain their health to the minimum field allows, but also be attacking field at the same times, making it useless. Best way to burst him down would be to sleep him, then zen orb, then fully charge zen into headshots with bastion and reaper and roadhog (if you wanna be dumb you could also drop diva bomb on his head but she’ll be useless for the most part)
@@moo1675 I disagree for the most part about bastion being a must have, he’s more of a liability in this than good because all Winston has to do is put the bubble down and he becomes useless for the next 11 seconds and he’ll have another bubble by the time he gets sentry back. You need consistent reliable damage, which if they aim well enough soldier and sojourn provide in this case plus Winston is a big target to hit, his hit box is massive, zen is necessary even if he’s a glass cannon because of discord orb alone. Ana would be a decent pick though. Basically you’ll need to hit your shots as sojourn and as soldier and orisa because you’d need to melt him as much as possible and need consistent damage, even if he retreat’s the fight to get a health pack you should consider that a won team fight.
@@leviuzumaki3903 now that i think about sojourn would be a pretty decent pick since she can also slow him and get away fast, but I still disagree on soldier, he’d have the same issue as bastion on having all shots blocked by bubble, besides in a high pressure situation where monkey is hopping around and above them. For bronze players it’d be hard to hit consistent headshots, body shots against a Winston with that much health and increased health gain from packs would render anything from soldier that isn’t a headshot basically useless. Though I guess they could try to substitute soldier for sombra if they hack all the nearby health packs but eh I don’t have much faith in thst
Can you do a video to figure out how many times the stats 1 top 500 player needs to beat a full top 500 team? I'm really interested.
5x would be minimum prob
The only way for salt to have one would have been to continuously stagger them, but that’s almost impossible when he needs to break for heals
I cant be the only one who always wants the pro to win
We can't be the only two people that always want the pro to win
We can't be the only three people that always want the pro to win
We can’t be the only four people that always want the pro to win
We can't be the only five people that always want the pro to win.
We can't be the only 6 people! Who wants the pro to win
Imagine stream snipping on one guy 🤣
I love these types of videos. Please do more
this man really said the word "discombobulate" unironically 3:46
Idk how well this would work but what if you did 3 bronzes (1 tank, 1 dps, 1 support) vs 1 gm with their cooldowns cut in half? I’m pretty new to the overwatch scene but something like that would be interesting to watch as well
Another day another banger
In the beginning they really don’t have a bad combination I feel like bastion should’ve kept a little more distance
'he just wan into his spawn'
11:20 he got hooked right on the sound
Imagine just casually going for a stroll with full health, see the shadow under you getting larger then instant death 😂😂
Proof that Winston players are clinically insane
You should do buffed bronzes against GMs, something crazy like 5x stats or something or 2 3x bronzes vs a team of GMs so we can see some cool strategies
with 5x stats tho sojurn would do 50 damage per bullet, meaning 6 headshots to take dva out of mech
@@sim233 It was just a loose suggestion that could be modified depending on how balanced it is, but I dont think its crazy to say that 5 GMs could take on a bronze with 4 or maybe even 5x stats
@@claytongreenlee7808 just remember that if it was 5x stats, a hanzo body shot would 1 tap almost every hero in the game or mccree could 2 shot every single hero in the game with only 2 body shots lol.
@@sim233 again, I just threw out a random number that could be changed, just suggesting a concept
Zombieking might be the biggest reason they lose sometimes bro 😂
Fr, bro always plays bastion and does the worst on the team.
I'm pretty sure he was the stream sniper too 💀
I'd go maybe grav dragon since I believe that is a kill. Then maybe an nano high noon? Sleep him then build that up. Then maybe zen for the damage buff. Seems the most optimal against the mega Winston
I would like to see Jay3 play buffed ASHE against bronze players and see how he does!
the play here is so to go rein ult to stun + ana sleep + zen ult and maybe junkrat trap to keep him from running and everyone melts him down
video idea: 1 bronze with x10 health against 5 top 500!
u should do doomfist top 500 bro it would be fun to look him doing all the things
i think the name salt should go to that ana😂
Reaper teleport kills me 🤣🤣🤣🤣
i think this man would love gorrila tag
Jay, you should make a vid with 3 GMs vs 5 Bronzes but GMs can only use secondary fire shots.
Day #3 of asking to make one mega buffed bronze player vs. 5 top 500 player.
I want to see this with doomfist
Doomfist would be good to control him, escape and mitigate with block.
Great video🤝🏾How about HOG Next????
Least angry British man lmao
Have you swapped the roles around before so gm in the bronze position and the bronze player with max stats
Jay predicted the yeti hunt event
zarya buble reaper and have suzu then also bad imo to keep reaper up.
do mercy but 10x stats
Honestly a widow that forced him to jump off point and hit headshots while everyone is dealing damage could do well (assuming they can hit the shots)
They're bronze players.
How is this 2.5 with a bubble with a 4k shield? Math doesn't add up. Base shield is what 600, 900 I dont recall?
The title should be like: one mad bri’ish too 500 player vs 5 bronze
do you do these often? cause id love to join even tho i dont play ranked. my plan wouldnt be top kill but more stall him, i imagine as long as yopu hold the payload time will get it
VIDEO IDEA(if it isnt already a thing)
1 5X Bronze Vs 5 Bronze
Or
1 5X GM Vs 5 GM
the bronzes have a fortnite accent
🤣
next challenge: 5 bronzes vs 1 play dps and 1 plat healer
Hey Jay could we get a YT short of a stream room tour? I'd love to see some of the posters you have on the wall in focus
I need to see more of these vids
I wanna see a doom vs 5 bronze
Holy shit imagine if he got zbra to do it
does ana's anti prevent monke's ult from healing him?
nvm. saw him ult with anti on right after commenting that and it didn't. lmao
These are honestly getting more frustrating to watch because everyone just keep running right up to the death machine and not playing to literally a single one of their strengths.
Zen/Ana Hog or Orisa + Bastion and maybe Torb/Sym or Reaper/Genji with some mobility to get away from Winton.
For this im a diamond player trying for masters i feel like sigma, ana, bastion, mccree, zen would be the best. Sigma deals half hp for his ult so he calls ult bastion immediately turrets zen orb on him so it should kill when winston ults no one shoot him and the ana tries to sleep and mccree is there for sigma mccree ult combo but mccree could be swapped for mei for her ult
Chat is simping for Katie bruh💀
Bro literally played a sniper, (you know the type of hero Winston directly counters) and then COMPLAINED THAT HE GOT TARGETED
I was on the Bronzes' side until they showed they were stream sniping, that kills the fun of it.
Love how they nerf genji and not hog
finally another one !!!!!!!!!
you're probably not gonna see this but you should do a buffed low rank team vs a high rank team
Didn't know Unsalted's Winton is was so good.
I wanna see you get zbra on here for a powered up doom 1v5
The Winston buff is hard XD
Would you ask flats if he’d do ramattra 2x into the team?
Y'know... I think Sombra was the move, but not to hack Winton, but moreso to hack all the health packs.
I would be good if winton was orisa which normally counters roadhog plus buff so he doesn’t have to charge terra surge
I swear I did not know that was unsalted, I thought it was a bronze vs bronze
Anyone know know which VOD this was in?
Winston did not want to push the payload at all
Bro u HAVE to make sure their not stream sniping u can clearly tell they were lmao nice vid still maybe ow needs to make a rank for below bronze cuz that’s sad stream sniping😭
Fuzzy getting kinda toxic at the end o-O
Also kinda weird of Salt to make that comment at 6:13 ..AIDS is a disease bro.
Otherwise fun video to watch :)
have not watched the video yet. the winston
Kinda cringe with the stream sniping ngl it kinda makes it a bit less entertaining
Yeah I didn't watch the second match bc of it, I hope all of them trash stay bronze, zero competitiveness
Fr they didn’t even try to hide it either
How i always wanted winston to feel like 😅
Man you just got my silver teammates! Amazing
Imagine if a tank already had a base health of over 1k😂
Hog rn:700+350 from healing.
1050hp. It makes sense why hog could beat up a boosted monkey
As I'm watching this waiting for comp q, who do I get teamed with but none other than zombieking. I had to double check lol
One buffed genji against 5 bronze winston
you've upgraded the tickle gun into slightly better tickle gun
Have 5 buffed bronzes vs 5 unbuffed gms
Overwatch: Harambe’s revenge
20:14 highest value dva ult
WINTON OVERWAT
It's disappointing that Winton ult knockback isn't also 2,5x