I'm increasingly finding road signs, including speed limit signs, obscured by overgrown hedges. Might be a good idea for highways departments to get out there and make sure signs are clearly visible.
Being a driving enthusiast, THIS is why I go for older cars. From the innocuous seat belt bing bongs to lane keep assist throwing me off course changing lanes (yes I did indicate), to (in)accurately showing speed limits on the dash, to speeding warnings/slowing the car down. It almost seems inevitable that at some point slowing the car down is not just one of the mandatory options, but the ONLY mandatory option. I usually hate the slippery slope argument but I'm also not one to ignore patterns and it looks like we're already almost at the bottom of this slope. When I get a new head unit in my '09 Audi R8, I'll have all the tech the vast majority of people need, traction control, power steering, ABS and infotainment without the invasive BS that comes in new cars. And guess what, basically a supercar costs about the same as a new Toyota Corolla or Nissan Leaf. Of course with other older makes/models, prices go down from there. (Never going to happen but) we need to stop purchasing new cars and buyers need to flood the 2nd hand market en masse.
I have a collection of cars. One of the first things that I have had done to them when I acquire them, is to: 1. remove the GPS chip(s). 2. either deactivate or cover any cameras used to sense speed or location. 3. Delete any coding that spies on vehicle speed. Information on how to do this is freely available and takes less than an hour to do.
There is a good reason why the most critical infrastructure of energy, financial markets and medical networks use 30+ year old mainframe tech. Keep it simple and it`s more reliable. Newer systems with more bells and whistles are always less stable with more bugs from the complex code.
I drive deliver and collect coaches and trucks for my service company and they are already fitted to them and also an automatic braking system that brakes if the vehicle thinks it’s gonna be in an accident. Last month the truck slammed the brakes on causing an accident on the M25. Due to a pigeon that had flown across the front of the truck through the vision zone of the camera and the van behind hit me right in the tailgate. Once the vans forward facing camera it looked like I’d brake checked him Once my own camera was checked and the pigeon seen and the system had braked. I was lucky enough to get told no further action would be taken against me So in my opinion all the extra 💩 there putting on vehicles should be stopped as it could lead to wrongful prosecution.
@@adinigel not sure The police were only interested in the welfare of both of us and immediately gave us both breath test once they were satisfied we were ok then more or less left us to the wombles 😳
@stagman4611 absolutely agree with you, all this stuff taking over your driving is very frustrating for the driver but we have no choice, I'm a tradesmen (electrician) and I need a vehicle, I can't carry all my tools and materials on a bicycle, on my current van I get frustrated when you go to pull out a junction and you realise you've forgot to turn start/stop off. And the vehicles not doing what you want it to do. This technology can't tell the difference between you waiting at a junction and needing power as opposed to actually being in a tailback.
I drove a Golf in Spain a couple of years ago and it had a similar system. It seemed to read the road signs when using cruise control. Unfortunately it couldn't distinguish between the road signs on parallel roads (slip roads and roads running along side the main road I was on). It therefore cut speed unexpectedly and caused a reaction from other road users behind me who thought I was break checking them. I hope the system has been improved if it is being rolled out across Europe
Press "resume" button on the cruise control when this happens, it gives it a command to resume previously set speed for cruise control. I have a Polo 2023 and there's a particular road where exacly this happens. I have reported this as a bug in nav software in VW.
This is just the start, boiling the frogs slowly so to speak.. this will be soon mandated and implemented in all cars, new and old, it´s all about controlling our movement and whereabouts.
As HGV driver, I can tell you that the main reasons for congestion/ confused / slow traffic are: 1. Unnecessary short or any journey 2. Auto obesity ( big vehicles for no real private reason, more to bully others and pretend to be important when in reality just taking up valuable space ) 3. Lost drivers ( private hire, not familar and not required to pass any local knowledge test or beeing familiar with car or language or basic Highway code , private hire company buying licences ) 4. Poor maintained vehicles and now also new EV'S mostly so complicated that basic defects require back up service and in meantime they hold up traffic - up to 25 diesel trucks on motorway !!😅) 5.sat nav drivers so religiously following SLOW DELAYED RELAYED SATELLITE information that they are often past that street they wanted to go and subsequently get the command " turn around "!😅 Also I see more drivers entering dualcarriage ways jnto oncoming traffic as they lost orientation. I see basically a population on road which is loosing its brain functions as electronic screens are taking over , but screens and information is so slow and incorrect that we would move faster, safer, more accurate and efficient / eco friendly if we would use own eletricity inside our own brain, which only needs HYDRATION, DEXTROSE AND OXYGEN😅. 😂
This is a very real risk, with cameras and parking/speeding/using a phone/not wearing a seatbelt penalties we already have automatic tickets issued every day. It will probably only be a matter of time before our cars snitch on us.
It would be good if they send it immediately. What will koat likely happen, you will get 10 speeding tickets for every day in the last year, all at once. You don't have the money to pay 3650 speeding tickets, and they will cancel them if you go to be bxuxtxcxhxexrxexd in Donbas.
Yeah but seatbelt warning makes sense as it’s absolutely beneficial. GPS sign recognition barely works on any car, I’ve been on motorways and it has read the speed limit for a 30mph slip road. It’s such a stupid feature, then there’s all the lane assist and other features. What happened to learning how to drive and doing it well, now it’s all about holding your hand
It's a good idea when travelling in a 20,or 30 limit, because let's face it, it's very easy to exceed these, however when overtaking on shall I say a rural road, to get past a very slow nervous driver, or lorry etc etc, if the limiter was unable to be bypassed, suddenly being restricted in speed could prove to be the last overtake you do. It's I think a real problem when in the future we can't bypass the limiter.
@@FlyingAt30000Micrometres Somebody's missing the point.
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@@Brennan0914 I don't think he does, his point actually appllies very well there. The driving license is your pinky promise that you're not gonna kill people in your car, and it's historically become quite clear that not a lot of people are keeping up their promise. If people were not speeding grievously, the whole warning system would be unnecessary. Same as seatbelt chimes.
Both my cars have speed limiters fitted. I use the speed limiter function a lot of the time however there are issues. There are many roads where the indicated speed is actually higher than the legal limit. The A17 between Kings Lynn and Sutton Bridge is a prime example. The speed limit is 60mph with small sections where there is a junction of 50mph. When going from a 50mph to a 60mph limit the car indicates 70mph and sets the speed limiter accordingly. I have had issues when going from a 60mph to a 30mph limit especially if the 30mph speed limit is obscured by foliage or the sign is not clean and the car does not immediately apply the speed limiter. Also when entering say a 30mph speed limit and the speed limit sign is visible, the speed limiter is not applied until you get level with sign so you can easily be caught for speeding if, as in my case, the police officer is hiding on the side of the road just a few hundred metres past the speed limit sign. Looking at the dash cam footage the speed limit sign was partially obscured by foliage and the speed was reducing, but not sufficiently. The message is therefore do not rely on technology.
If you try a speed limiter it can be extremely dangerous. My car already has one. I run it in advise mostly and this is why. Mine picks up side road signs, on the M3 it picks up a 10MPH site limit in the roadworks. That could be exciting. It also picks up the signs on European trucks. Suddenly it wants 110MPH. They are far from fool proof
This just makes me aware that the 'new' car in front could potentially slow up unexpectedly for no reason and cause a rear end shunt! There may come a time when the car decides to eject the driver straight up for ignoring it's demands!!!
Have this on our new Volvo we got in April. Its as annoying as fuck. Two options, you leave it on sound mode so every time you go over 2 mph faster than limit for more than so many seconds, an annoying ping starts ( and it does this a lot as it takes in speed limit changes down side roads you pass but arent driving on) or you switch off sound permanently and the cars accelerator becomes like a sponge when you "speed" . You can push the pedal and over ride this but it tends to be clumsy and can cause issues like surging etc. The easiest method I've found is each time I get in the car, I hit the button to temp disable the alerts. They stay off until I turn off the car. Theres no way (on this vehicle) to turn off the system totally. I find it obnoxious and very clumsy and should only really be limited to Hire cars, HGVs, etc. And its an EU law.....i have to suffer all the bad shit for Brexit and still get crap like this?
@@FlyingAt30000Micrometres You must be really applauding Thursday's result, where the deeply unpopular WEF loving Starmer, has gained such huge power to exercise over you?
@@FlyingAt30000Micrometres We are talking 1 or 2 mph. I challenge you to drive a week without EVER doing that. Also there's the fact that , in my case, my car is actually 3 mph slower than claimed. Im not talking about doing 90 in a 50 and the car telling me to slow down lol. ONE AND TWO MPH FFS!!! Get off your high horse grandma
Both of my audis already have a "over the speed limit" warning that I can specify and they are about 10 year old cars. I do understand that its a different system all together...
Tempted to get a big sticker for the back of my car that says something like, ‘I love doing 20’ with the 20 in a red circle in the format of a speed sign. I won’t because it’s dangerous but in theory it would be an interesting experiment to see if it could trigger a tailgaters speed limiter.
At first it will be annoying beeps and blurps, which will later quietly be turned into spikes in your seat stabbing at your back and bottom and then later completing the transformation from "speed assist" to Speed Enforce..... Just a matter of time..... It must be rejected now before it progresses that far....
Have you seen the state of some road signs and furniture many are dilapidated or covered by foliage so reliability is an issue, it’s not just advisory it’s full telemetry all inputs and data is captured and managed by a contractor commercial company who can supply that data to the relevant authorities for whatever action they deem to take. The next step is you insert an ID into the vehicle to enable it and log you in so you’ll be tracked and charged for road usage, think it’s all about safety it’s not believe me I know it’s already being used in certain locations in the commercial sector including access to onboard cameras internal and external this is just the beginning.
That's the plan of these governments. Ruin the new cars which will increase competition for used (but still relatively new) cars leading to the average person finding it difficult to be on the road. They've already covered off the old old cars by introducing ULEZ and other emission based charges.
Been stuck to the speed limit causes frustration and vehicle bunching up . On motorway Saying that I just got a speeding fine for 79mph Punishment for giving myself space . 70mph to slow rest of Europe is 82 . UK roads are a Nightmare
In the future the devices will pick up on road works and accident and will be updated from afar, then you will get areas that you can not possibly go over a certain limit, then the fun begins when hackers get in and turn the motorways into 5mph mandatory areas. Put something online, hackers will be working on it.
It'll only be a matter of time before the system will get hacked. This will then enable owners to get this permanently switched off, similar to the DPF delete that so many diesel owners are doing nowadays
The current technology to decide what the speed limit for any given stretch of road should be, is next to useless. I have a new Toyota, with the latest software version, that scans for speed limit road signs with an array of front facing cameras. If I had a penny for every time it gets it wrong, I'd be a rich man by now. I could be stuck doing 50mph after driving through roadworks on a motorway, because my car doesn't know the limit is back to 70. The opposite is true for when I leave a motorway. I could be driving down a 30mph road while the car thinks it still ok to do 70. This legislation sounds kind of ok in principle, but in practice it's a disaster.
Here in Australia we don't have these rules and I daresay we have a lot more unpaved roads and both paved and unpaved roads without signage. We can't laugh too hard though, the Aus Labor Party has never seen a bit of European Govt overreach they didn't like. I'm happy to drive a 2010 live axle 4x4 ute with wind up windows and no beep when I don't have my seatbelt on, so long as they sell diesel and they don't mess with rego costs this rig's gonna be beating a path through this land.
Cut power if you exceed the speed limit? That says to me 'take control of the car'; surely not safe. As others have said below, it's one small step to have the car report your speeding offence or refuse to exceed the limit. Just the sort of thing the EU would do; let's hope common sense prevails in the UK. We need better training; like the sort the Institute of Advanced Motorists provides. And don't get me started on touch screens. I just drove a hire car on holiday in Jersey; what made Peugeot think that adjusting the cabin temp or fan speed using a distracting screen would be a great idea?!!! Why are they not banned?
Speed control can be overridden by pressing harder on the accelerator??? So I go faster than I wanted to in the first place. 🤦♂️ can’t see any problems with this… more nannying and meddling.
Kent have already done part of this and have put potholes everywhere. They fix it by drawing a white line around it, then finally after the potholes act like reservoirs and absorb all the water they get filled in or we end up with a hosepipe ban!!!! It seems that people think the faster you go over a pothole the less impact it has on the car so not sure that one will slow people up. Perhaps if they put a hotwheels loop in the roads only the powerful cars and confident drivers can proceed, Im sure that would improve road safety.. LOL
@@FlyingAt30000Micrometres I can see you now with your driving gloves and glasses on, driving around the South Circular at 3:45am doing 19mph and patting yourself on the back for being among the most competent of drivers.
I think most of it will be hard coded in to modules with other essential functions, but if using cameras, a but of insulating tape can cover those and is easy to remove at MOT time.
Quite simple, I'll never buy such a car. As for the noise made when seat belts are not secured, I managed to turn that off through via OBD2. A tip for anyone else is either plug the belt in before you sit down, or grab a seat belt buckle from Ebay to fool it.
Well the cam in my car constantly misses road speed signs. Go to Lemington Spa and see if you can find a speed sign. Also my sat nav said the speed limit was 50. The sign said 40 😆
Glad we’re not in Europe then 🤔 In the UK it is legal to exceed the speed limits whilst doing an overtake, so it would effect safety in overtaking if delay needs an override 😮
Speed warnings and limiters wouldn't be so bad as long as they, and the speedometer is accurate. The problem is most over-read the speed. The last thing want is my car nagging me to slow down when I'm already 2 mph under the limit.
Optional for now, until it gets established and then you won't be able to disable it. Down right dangerous when your overtaking someone and they speed up a bit, forcing you to go slightly over the limit, and then it kicks in when your side by side. Voted brexit and what a waste of time that was.
If you have to break the speed limit to overtake then you're breaking the law and shouldn't be overtaking. It's also an offence to speed up while being overtaken
Voted for brexit too, you can thank May, Boris and Sunak for us continuing to comply with EU directives. And don't listen to this pillock ^, he clearly doesn't live in the real world.
I see more & more paint sprayed over the speed limit signs so my camera system on my can't doesn't pick up the sign ! So the system is fundamentally flawed & a human has to take over ! Who'd have thought !
Yes it will because it will be too expensive and inconvenient for car manufacturers to separately make cars without them for the UK market only. What Europe gets we will get.
I feel its more of a protective measure for us as drivers. However, I can say so with the understanding that I will still have the ability to control my car's speed when needed. Let's see what happens.
That sounds like a very naive attitude to me. Government simply can’t resist controlling everything we do believing that they always know best and if we dare to disagree we must be treated as naughty children or would be murderous psychopaths.
This entitlement around cars is absurd. How does someone who gets into car suddenly acquires rights to drive at speeds you can’t do when walking, acquires an increase in volume size, that makes a giant of a person. Traffic, in particular personal transport is making our lives a living hell. The noise, nuisance, hazard to life and limb, the destruction of our built and natural environment has been a catastrophe.
We have had limiters on wagons for years, you get used to it accept it get on with it.If it save just one life, and I used to do recovery for the police and know what it’s like a a serious RTC , it’s worth it.
I have a 2020 fiesta with road sign recognition the speed warning is unobtrusive. Any new system that partly relies on this to automatically reduce your cars speed would be incredibly dangerous..I leave my work multi story car park for 1 mile after im told the speed limit is 5 miles per hour .Shortly after im on a slip road entering a major A road being told the limit is 40 miles per hour. Drivers shouldn't have to fight a cars safely systems just to drive safely
Lol these 5mph speed limits are impossible to achieve in some cars, for example mine has a lot of torque and if i take my foot of the clutch..it automatically drive 10mph on its own lol
2024 Audi A3, about a month old. It's really not that accurate, regularly tells me I'm in a 20, when its 30. On the M1 it seems to have old data for 50mph road work sections, I rather foolishly linked the adaptive cruise control to the speed recognition when I first drove the car so had unexpected rapidly deceleration from 70 to 50. Luckily no one too close. Also find it ok reading speed signs off of gantries, but not the nation speed limit applies when the reduced speed ends. If it worked great, I'm happy to stick the speed limit give or take a few mph. Instead I have car rage at my own car at the annoying beeps etc. and its a pain to turn off every time I start the engine. Add to that the tugging at the steering wheel from the lane departure assist every time I avoid a pot hole, or drive on a narrow a road. I'm missing my old dumb car that didn't assist me. I want to get in the car and drive, not spend 30s waiting for it to log me in, then going through touch screen menus to turn stuff off.
The lane assist drives me mad. You try to avoid the potholes at the side of the road by moving towards the center and it tries to steer you back into the potholes!
I drive a new Volvo xc40 and the speed recognition is pants. I can be driving on a 60mph road and suddenly the car bings to alert me that I’m breaking the 30mph speed limit that doesn’t exist. Annoyed doesn’t even start to cover it!!
I know exactly how fast I'm driving 99% of the time. Personally I think new vehicles already have too much tech in them. And this is just another way we're being pushed towards a car that drives itself.
If your car comes with an OBD2 port (which it will) you'll be able to change the settings. Someone will hack it and share the ability for all of us to benefit from
Without this intervention, how am I to be able to concentrate on reading and composing texts and make phone calls as well as playing around on the GPS. Seriously though, There is too much going on as it is with all this tech. You only need a simple dash and an attentative and alert driver
So if your being chased by a lunatic or psychopath and there's plenty of them on the roads aka road rage etc? How do you out run them ask the vehicle nicely? 🤣 Nothing to do with safety whatsoever more big brother control and the nanny state. Or did I miss something? ISA call it what you will but you can guarantee the Stasi will be sending out FPN's or NIP's like confetti at a wedding WATCH!
All about control of our lives and if I get caught for speeding , I doubt the car will be held responsible . Interesting one for speeding offences if system is on. Which for me it won't be. Unnecessary intrusion on our eroding freedoms
Just come up on the home screen. Answer to question asked. Our BYD Dolphin (electric) has systems, can read the signs. Bings and bongs. Can set speed it moans at at 70mph. A touch more than 70. 20 or 30. other speeds does a bit over then bongs. Does 20mph nag when in a 30. not 100% correct as said. Road not many minutes for home, 30mph residential. gets wrong. Not a problem. Software update. It had a few using it's built in 4G data could add but guess new cars, January ones it wont get as too old. Driver systems can be turned off but as you say, come back on. I don't bother. The odd bing and bong or pulling at the wheel the car does every now and then. lane departure, not to bad, things we all get used to when new car does. A bit odd at the time but now 6 months on. not too bothered
If it uses GPS to find the speed limit, maybe it also uses GPS to calculate whether that is being exceeded? I'd hope so, because most speedometers over read by 5-8%.
Pish,simply turn the ISA off like you can with Stop/Start
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First of all, it's not a limiter. It's a speeding warning. Limiter is actively limiting power to the engine to keep the car at the speed limit. The chime just annoys you when you think going 10-15% over the actual limit is needed for traffic safety reasons, or when you think accelerating to 80kmh from a standstill in a city is acceptable. There's a lot of people who pride themselves on having a steady gas foot, claiming therefore that adaptive cruise control is unnecessary. What they fail to see is that adaptive cruise squeezes extra 10-15% fuel efficiency because it tracks the ECU mapping much more carefully and can pick a perfect amount of air and fuel to happily cruise along. That's not to mention that with a free foot and relaxed hands, driver's mental stack is less saturated, allowing him to look further, plan earlier, react sooner. Speedo is always a bit over true speed, but it's really not an issue if your approach to driving includes planning your trip. There's a proverb in Russian, "one who rides quieter, gets farther", and it applies wonderfully to motor vehicles. Just let the cruise control do its thing, and be ready to step in and override it when it fails or your maneuver requires manual action. 1 in 25 road signs for now are misreported by ACC, oh well, use the buttons to adjust it, dismiss the chime.
I think you pay for the car you should do what you like with the car please tell me what’s the government going to do with out all the money coming in for Speeding going through cameras and why are more and more Cameras going up if they’re gonna put this in cars because if it’s in God you can’t speed so why do you need cameras?
Won,t work too many discrepancies etc in mandatory limits and temp limits off road cars travelling not to limit for the.Ie 60 limit car doing around 55 want to pass take you an age. Dangerous~ yes big time,more and more collisions!
I'm increasingly finding road signs, including speed limit signs, obscured by overgrown hedges. Might be a good idea for highways departments to get out there and make sure signs are clearly visible.
Being a driving enthusiast, THIS is why I go for older cars. From the innocuous seat belt bing bongs to lane keep assist throwing me off course changing lanes (yes I did indicate), to (in)accurately showing speed limits on the dash, to speeding warnings/slowing the car down. It almost seems inevitable that at some point slowing the car down is not just one of the mandatory options, but the ONLY mandatory option. I usually hate the slippery slope argument but I'm also not one to ignore patterns and it looks like we're already almost at the bottom of this slope.
When I get a new head unit in my '09 Audi R8, I'll have all the tech the vast majority of people need, traction control, power steering, ABS and infotainment without the invasive BS that comes in new cars. And guess what, basically a supercar costs about the same as a new Toyota Corolla or Nissan Leaf. Of course with other older makes/models, prices go down from there. (Never going to happen but) we need to stop purchasing new cars and buyers need to flood the 2nd hand market en masse.
Big brother is watching but the people are sheep and wont fight back against even yet another form of control opposed on them 🙄.
I often use my speed limiter anyway. Helps Keep my license clean as I have a lead foot
I have a collection of cars.
One of the first things that I have had done to them when I acquire them, is to:
1. remove the GPS chip(s).
2. either deactivate or cover any cameras used to sense speed or location.
3. Delete any coding that spies on vehicle speed.
Information on how to do this is freely available and takes less than an hour to do.
There is a good reason why the most critical infrastructure of energy, financial markets and medical networks use 30+ year old mainframe tech. Keep it simple and it`s more reliable. Newer systems with more bells and whistles are always less stable with more bugs from the complex code.
Now the remappers out there will need to include a "Remove" service too.....
I drive deliver and collect coaches and trucks for my service company and they are already fitted to them and also an automatic braking system that brakes if the vehicle thinks it’s gonna be in an accident. Last month the truck slammed the brakes on causing an accident on the M25. Due to a pigeon that had flown across the front of the truck through the vision zone of the camera and the van behind hit me right in the tailgate. Once the vans forward facing camera it looked like I’d brake checked him Once my own camera was checked and the pigeon seen and the system had braked. I was lucky enough to get told no further action would be taken against me
So in my opinion all the extra 💩 there putting on vehicles should be stopped as it could lead to wrongful prosecution.
@@stagman4611 I do hope the van driver was spoken to about tailgating!
@@adinigel not sure The police were only interested in the welfare of both of us and immediately gave us both breath test once they were satisfied we were ok then more or less left us to the wombles 😳
@stagman4611 absolutely agree with you, all this stuff taking over your driving is very frustrating for the driver but we have no choice, I'm a tradesmen (electrician) and I need a vehicle, I can't carry all my tools and materials on a bicycle, on my current van I get frustrated when you go to pull out a junction and you realise you've forgot to turn start/stop off. And the vehicles not doing what you want it to do. This technology can't tell the difference between you waiting at a junction and needing power as opposed to actually being in a tailback.
I drove a Golf in Spain a couple of years ago and it had a similar system. It seemed to read the road signs when using cruise control. Unfortunately it couldn't distinguish between the road signs on parallel roads (slip roads and roads running along side the main road I was on). It therefore cut speed unexpectedly and caused a reaction from other road users behind me who thought I was break checking them. I hope the system has been improved if it is being rolled out across Europe
Your already talking like a sheep.
Press "resume" button on the cruise control when this happens, it gives it a command to resume previously set speed for cruise control.
I have a Polo 2023 and there's a particular road where exacly this happens. I have reported this as a bug in nav software in VW.
I'll never be able to afford a 2024 car anyway, so shouldn't affect me 😂
You will in 8 years
Never? Not sure you understand the absolute sublime beauty of depreciation my friend.
Hopefully by then, this system would have malfunctioned 😂
This is just the start, boiling the frogs slowly so to speak.. this will be soon mandated and implemented in all cars, new and old, it´s all about controlling our movement and whereabouts.
But as I understand it, this does not apply to new UK cars (at the moment) as we are not in the EU?
As HGV driver, I can tell you that the main reasons for congestion/ confused / slow traffic are:
1. Unnecessary short or any journey
2. Auto obesity ( big vehicles for no real private reason, more to bully others and pretend to be important when in reality just taking up valuable space )
3. Lost drivers ( private hire, not familar and not required to pass any local knowledge test or beeing familiar with car or language or basic Highway code , private hire company buying licences )
4. Poor maintained vehicles and now also new EV'S mostly so complicated that basic defects require back up service and in meantime they hold up traffic - up to 25 diesel trucks on motorway !!😅)
5.sat nav drivers so religiously following SLOW DELAYED RELAYED SATELLITE information that they are often past that street they wanted to go and subsequently get the command " turn around "!😅
Also I see more drivers entering dualcarriage ways jnto oncoming traffic as they lost orientation.
I see basically a population on road which is loosing its brain functions as electronic screens are taking over , but screens and information is so slow and incorrect that we would move faster, safer, more accurate and efficient / eco friendly if we would use own eletricity inside our own brain, which only needs HYDRATION, DEXTROSE AND OXYGEN😅. 😂
The next step will be automatically send the ticket via an email.
This is a very real risk, with cameras and parking/speeding/using a phone/not wearing a seatbelt penalties we already have automatic tickets issued every day. It will probably only be a matter of time before our cars snitch on us.
@@torquecars That's the end goal.... probably be listening in on your phone and passenger communications too....
It would be good if they send it immediately. What will koat likely happen, you will get 10 speeding tickets for every day in the last year, all at once. You don't have the money to pay 3650 speeding tickets, and they will cancel them if you go to be bxuxtxcxhxexrxexd in Donbas.
Yeah but seatbelt warning makes sense as it’s absolutely beneficial.
GPS sign recognition barely works on any car, I’ve been on motorways and it has read the speed limit for a 30mph slip road.
It’s such a stupid feature, then there’s all the lane assist and other features.
What happened to learning how to drive and doing it well, now it’s all about holding your hand
It's a good idea when travelling in a 20,or 30 limit, because let's face it, it's very easy to exceed these, however when overtaking on shall I say a rural road, to get past a very slow nervous driver, or lorry etc etc, if the limiter was unable to be bypassed, suddenly being restricted in speed could prove to be the last overtake you do. It's I think a real problem when in the future we can't bypass the limiter.
I Wish governments would Get Out of My Vehicles !!!
Only when you learn to drive within the limit of the law, and if you can already it shouldn't make any difference...
@@FlyingAt30000Micrometres Somebody's missing the point.
@@Brennan0914 I don't think he does, his point actually appllies very well there. The driving license is your pinky promise that you're not gonna kill people in your car, and it's historically become quite clear that not a lot of people are keeping up their promise. If people were not speeding grievously, the whole warning system would be unnecessary. Same as seatbelt chimes.
Both my cars have speed limiters fitted. I use the speed limiter function a lot of the time however there are issues. There are many roads where the indicated speed is actually higher than the legal limit. The A17 between Kings Lynn and Sutton Bridge is a prime example. The speed limit is 60mph with small sections where there is a junction of 50mph. When going from a 50mph to a 60mph limit the car indicates 70mph and sets the speed limiter accordingly. I have had issues when going from a 60mph to a 30mph limit especially if the 30mph speed limit is obscured by foliage or the sign is not clean and the car does not immediately apply the speed limiter. Also when entering say a 30mph speed limit and the speed limit sign is visible, the speed limiter is not applied until you get level with sign so you can easily be caught for speeding if, as in my case, the police officer is hiding on the side of the road just a few hundred metres past the speed limit sign. Looking at the dash cam footage the speed limit sign was partially obscured by foliage and the speed was reducing, but not sufficiently. The message is therefore do not rely on technology.
You can guarantee it'll be the roads that confuse the system, that will have speed camera vans posted.
If you try a speed limiter it can be extremely dangerous. My car already has one. I run it in advise mostly and this is why.
Mine picks up side road signs, on the M3 it picks up a 10MPH site limit in the roadworks. That could be exciting.
It also picks up the signs on European trucks. Suddenly it wants 110MPH.
They are far from fool proof
More Government overreaching
Fist thing you can pull the wire out under the seat so you don’t get that Pinging noise when your seatbelt is not on
This just makes me aware that the 'new' car in front could potentially slow up unexpectedly for no reason and cause a rear end shunt! There may come a time when the car decides to eject the driver straight up for ignoring it's demands!!!
Have this on our new Volvo we got in April. Its as annoying as fuck. Two options, you leave it on sound mode so every time you go over 2 mph faster than limit for more than so many seconds, an annoying ping starts ( and it does this a lot as it takes in speed limit changes down side roads you pass but arent driving on) or you switch off sound permanently and the cars accelerator becomes like a sponge when you "speed" . You can push the pedal and over ride this but it tends to be clumsy and can cause issues like surging etc. The easiest method I've found is each time I get in the car, I hit the button to temp disable the alerts. They stay off until I turn off the car. Theres no way (on this vehicle) to turn off the system totally. I find it obnoxious and very clumsy and should only really be limited to Hire cars, HGVs, etc. And its an EU law.....i have to suffer all the bad shit for Brexit and still get crap like this?
Have you tried just not breaking the law???
@@FlyingAt30000Micrometres so you drive exacly at the speed limit every single time without fail? Did you not read what he said?
@@FlyingAt30000Micrometres You must be really applauding Thursday's result, where the deeply unpopular WEF loving Starmer, has gained such huge power to exercise over you?
@@matthewjenkins1161 Ignore him, just a troll. I've seen him say the exact same kind of thing on multiple comment threads.
@@FlyingAt30000Micrometres We are talking 1 or 2 mph. I challenge you to drive a week without EVER doing that. Also there's the fact that , in my case, my car is actually 3 mph slower than claimed. Im not talking about doing 90 in a 50 and the car telling me to slow down lol. ONE AND TWO MPH FFS!!! Get off your high horse grandma
Both of my audis already have a "over the speed limit" warning that I can specify and they are about 10 year old cars. I do understand that its a different system all together...
Tempted to get a big sticker for the back of my car that says something like, ‘I love doing 20’ with the 20 in a red circle in the format of a speed sign. I won’t because it’s dangerous but in theory it would be an interesting experiment to see if it could trigger a tailgaters speed limiter.
Lol that's genius (evil genius level), perhaps I should buy an Audi A3 35 and make something of the 35 badge in the style of a speed sign.
Imma go putting "10mph" signs on the motorway, I hate this lol
Just switch it off I dont want any AI influencing my driving style.
At first it will be annoying beeps and blurps, which will later quietly be turned into spikes in your seat stabbing at your back and bottom and then later completing the transformation from "speed assist" to Speed Enforce..... Just a matter of time..... It must be rejected now before it progresses that far....
Have you seen the state of some road signs and furniture many are dilapidated or covered by foliage so reliability is an issue, it’s not just advisory it’s full telemetry all inputs and data is captured and managed by a contractor commercial company who can supply that data to the relevant authorities for whatever action they deem to take. The next step is you insert an ID into the vehicle to enable it and log you in so you’ll be tracked and charged for road usage, think it’s all about safety it’s not believe me I know it’s already being used in certain locations in the commercial sector including access to onboard cameras internal and external this is just the beginning.
That's the plan of these governments. Ruin the new cars which will increase competition for used (but still relatively new) cars leading to the average person finding it difficult to be on the road. They've already covered off the old old cars by introducing ULEZ and other emission based charges.
Been stuck to the speed limit causes frustration and vehicle bunching up . On motorway
Saying that I just got a speeding fine for 79mph Punishment for giving myself space . 70mph to slow rest of Europe is 82 . UK roads are a Nightmare
In the future the devices will pick up on road works and accident and will be updated from afar, then you will get areas that you can not possibly go over a certain limit, then the fun begins when hackers get in and turn the motorways into 5mph mandatory areas. Put something online, hackers will be working on it.
It'll only be a matter of time before the system will get hacked. This will then enable owners to get this permanently switched off, similar to the DPF delete that so many diesel owners are doing nowadays
Any speed limiting system that uses a vehicle's cameras to read speed signs and traffic conditions is going to create accidents.
I don't worry. I never break the speed limit on my Kawasaki ZZR1441. Honest.
@@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm always getting stuck behind these slow Kawasaki ZZR1441 riders.
@@torquecars I'm sorry. We are a bloody nuisance I know...
The current technology to decide what the speed limit for any given stretch of road should be, is next to useless. I have a new Toyota, with the latest software version, that scans for speed limit road signs with an array of front facing cameras. If I had a penny for every time it gets it wrong, I'd be a rich man by now. I could be stuck doing 50mph after driving through roadworks on a motorway, because my car doesn't know the limit is back to 70. The opposite is true for when I leave a motorway. I could be driving down a 30mph road while the car thinks it still ok to do 70. This legislation sounds kind of ok in principle, but in practice it's a disaster.
Here in Australia we don't have these rules and I daresay we have a lot more unpaved roads and both paved and unpaved roads without signage.
We can't laugh too hard though, the Aus Labor Party has never seen a bit of European Govt overreach they didn't like.
I'm happy to drive a 2010 live axle 4x4 ute with wind up windows and no beep when I don't have my seatbelt on, so long as they sell diesel and they don't mess with rego costs this rig's gonna be beating a path through this land.
Get DetectX Pro , it lets you know 1km before the poxy camera, so peddle to the metal still applies :p
First thing come in my mind, trolls cover the 0 on the signs or psychopath try to ram you and you cant get away.
Cut power if you exceed the speed limit? That says to me 'take control of the car'; surely not safe. As others have said below, it's one small step to have the car report your speeding offence or refuse to exceed the limit. Just the sort of thing the EU would do; let's hope common sense prevails in the UK. We need better training; like the sort the Institute of Advanced Motorists provides. And don't get me started on touch screens. I just drove a hire car on holiday in Jersey; what made Peugeot think that adjusting the cabin temp or fan speed using a distracting screen would be a great idea?!!! Why are they not banned?
Texting on the screen while driving became mandatory.
Speed control can be overridden by pressing harder on the accelerator??? So I go faster than I wanted to in the first place. 🤦♂️ can’t see any problems with this… more nannying and meddling.
Mazda cars miss read road signs all the time taking speed limits from side roads and somehow eu think it's ready to enforce 😂
No more new cars for me
I have a great idea, make all the roads really steep with big pot holes in them! That will slow everyone down. Dave Lee for MP. Vote for Me.
Kent have already done part of this and have put potholes everywhere. They fix it by drawing a white line around it, then finally after the potholes act like reservoirs and absorb all the water they get filled in or we end up with a hosepipe ban!!!! It seems that people think the faster you go over a pothole the less impact it has on the car so not sure that one will slow people up.
Perhaps if they put a hotwheels loop in the roads only the powerful cars and confident drivers can proceed, Im sure that would improve road safety.. LOL
hmmm, hot wheels loops eh.
I would probably disable it. The part I would like is to show speed limit on my dashboard. Road signs aren't always clear or sometimes I just miss it.
If you're driving within the speed *limit* why would you need to disable it, it should never be required to activate, if you're a competent driver
@@FlyingAt30000Micrometres I can see you now with your driving gloves and glasses on, driving around the South Circular at 3:45am doing 19mph and patting yourself on the back for being among the most competent of drivers.
I think most of it will be hard coded in to modules with other essential functions, but if using cameras, a but of insulating tape can cover those and is easy to remove at MOT time.
Quite simple, I'll never buy such a car.
As for the noise made when seat belts are not secured, I managed to turn that off through via OBD2.
A tip for anyone else is either plug the belt in before you sit down, or grab a seat belt buckle from Ebay to fool it.
I'm going to switch career from IT and open a specialist garage to disable these. If the UK is not in the EU then that surely will be legal.
Well the cam in my car constantly misses road speed signs. Go to Lemington Spa and see if you can find a speed sign. Also my sat nav said the speed limit was 50. The sign said 40 😆
I do not see why cars should be made idiot proof. Idiots should not drive a car. But hey.. money to be made.
Perhaps instead of a car key put an IQ style intelligence test on cars. The car would never be stolen either thanks to criminal stupidity.
Glad we’re not in Europe then 🤔
In the UK it is legal to exceed the speed limits whilst doing an overtake, so it would effect safety in overtaking if delay needs an override 😮
Garbage it's not legal to exceed the speed limit.
The Government losing out on all that money! I dont think so..
Speed warnings and limiters wouldn't be so bad as long as they, and the speedometer is accurate. The problem is most over-read the speed. The last thing want is my car nagging me to slow down when I'm already 2 mph under the limit.
Optional for now, until it gets established and then you won't be able to disable it.
Down right dangerous when your overtaking someone and they speed up a bit, forcing you to go slightly over the limit, and then it kicks in when your side by side.
Voted brexit and what a waste of time that was.
If you have to break the speed limit to overtake then you're breaking the law and shouldn't be overtaking.
It's also an offence to speed up while being overtaken
Voted for brexit too, you can thank May, Boris and Sunak for us continuing to comply with EU directives.
And don't listen to this pillock ^, he clearly doesn't live in the real world.
I'll get it coded out immediately
Don't worry, give it a couple of weeks and there will be an OBD port plug in device you can buy to... "fix it" if you know what I mean.
I see more & more paint sprayed over the speed limit signs so my camera system on my can't doesn't pick up the sign ! So the system is fundamentally flawed & a human has to take over ! Who'd have thought !
So if you get caught speeding do the fine go to the car manufacturer or Google for supplying faulty goods?
Luckily the UK isn't in the EU so it won't affect us. Right?
Yes it will because it will be too expensive and inconvenient for car manufacturers to separately make cars without them for the UK market only. What Europe gets we will get.
I feel its more of a protective measure for us as drivers.
However, I can say so with the understanding that I will still have the ability to control my car's speed when needed. Let's see what happens.
That sounds like a very naive attitude to me. Government simply can’t resist controlling everything we do believing that they always know best and if we dare to disagree we must be treated as naughty children or would be murderous psychopaths.
Well I don't feel that way. I think its just about making everyone safer on the road.
@@melvynwoodman5787
Doesn't actually apply in the UK but that doesn't mean it won't at some point.
Got it let's you know if your speeding does not really bother me and can be turned off
They'll need to find another very lucrative revenue stream. Pay per mile???
Or pay per mile per hour. Perhaps if cars reported back every time you exceeded the limit they could still send out friendly fine letters. lol
This entitlement around cars is absurd. How does someone who gets into car suddenly acquires rights to drive at speeds you can’t do when walking, acquires an increase in volume size, that makes a giant of a person. Traffic, in particular personal transport is making our lives a living hell. The noise, nuisance, hazard to life and limb, the destruction of our built and natural environment has been a catastrophe.
It is far from foolproof. Many Maps have speed errors and the system in our car in the UK randomly tells us the limit is 90 or even 110.
We have had limiters on wagons for years, you get used to it accept it get on with it.If it save just one life, and I used to do recovery for the police and know what it’s like a a serious RTC , it’s worth it.
I have a 2020 fiesta with road sign recognition the speed warning is unobtrusive. Any new system that partly relies on this to automatically reduce your cars speed would be incredibly dangerous..I leave my work multi story car park for 1 mile after im told the speed limit is 5 miles per hour .Shortly after im on a slip road entering a major A road being told the limit is 40 miles per hour. Drivers shouldn't have to fight a cars safely systems just to drive safely
Lol these 5mph speed limits are impossible to achieve in some cars, for example mine has a lot of torque and if i take my foot of the clutch..it automatically drive 10mph on its own lol
2024 Audi A3, about a month old. It's really not that accurate, regularly tells me I'm in a 20, when its 30. On the M1 it seems to have old data for 50mph road work sections, I rather foolishly linked the adaptive cruise control to the speed recognition when I first drove the car so had unexpected rapidly deceleration from 70 to 50. Luckily no one too close.
Also find it ok reading speed signs off of gantries, but not the nation speed limit applies when the reduced speed ends.
If it worked great, I'm happy to stick the speed limit give or take a few mph. Instead I have car rage at my own car at the annoying beeps etc. and its a pain to turn off every time I start the engine. Add to that the tugging at the steering wheel from the lane departure assist every time I avoid a pot hole, or drive on a narrow a road.
I'm missing my old dumb car that didn't assist me. I want to get in the car and drive, not spend 30s waiting for it to log me in, then going through touch screen menus to turn stuff off.
The lane assist drives me mad. You try to avoid the potholes at the side of the road by moving towards the center and it tries to steer you back into the potholes!
Whether its four options or any one of the four? Why do we even need it period?
Because you break the law- simples.
@@robertkendall1380 Yeah right and its because those like you still stuck in the matrix were in this mess. You know the sheeple.
@@robertkendall1380 But you have a halo above your head fool?
@@robertkendall1380 But your perfect fool?
I drive a new Volvo xc40 and the speed recognition is pants. I can be driving on a 60mph road and suddenly the car bings to alert me that I’m breaking the 30mph speed limit that doesn’t exist. Annoyed doesn’t even start to cover it!!
I know exactly how fast I'm driving 99% of the time. Personally I think new vehicles already have too much tech in them. And this is just another way we're being pushed towards a car that drives itself.
If your car comes with an OBD2 port (which it will) you'll be able to change the settings. Someone will hack it and share the ability for all of us to benefit from
Next, you will need to employ a man with a flag to walk in front of your car because, you know, safety first and all that.
Can't wait to disable it if I ever own such a car
Without this intervention, how am I to be able to concentrate on reading and composing texts and make phone calls as well as playing around on the GPS.
Seriously though, There is too much going on as it is with all this tech.
You only need a simple dash and an attentative and alert driver
So if your being chased by a lunatic or psychopath and there's plenty of them on the roads aka road rage etc? How do you out run them ask the vehicle nicely? 🤣 Nothing to do with safety whatsoever more big brother control and the nanny state. Or did I miss something? ISA call it what you will but you can guarantee the Stasi will be sending out FPN's or NIP's like confetti at a wedding WATCH!
How long before we're all forced to drive a restricted sinclair c5.
It can't still read some road signs correctly.
just pull the fuse or disconect them
I didn't know bureaucrats had fuses (lol), you might be on to something here if they do.
Seat belt warning has been switched off on every car I own 😂
Thats the 1 thing I personally don't turn off, it really makes cents to put on the seat belt! I have a lead foot...
Oh yes speed cameras are *definately* obsolete they should scrap them all in ASAP 👌
All about control of our lives and if I get caught for speeding , I doubt the car will be held responsible .
Interesting one for speeding offences if system is on.
Which for me it won't be.
Unnecessary intrusion on our eroding freedoms
my 2012 Lexus tells me when im speeding good thing it can be turned off 🙂
Just come up on the home screen. Answer to question asked. Our BYD Dolphin (electric) has systems, can read the signs. Bings and bongs. Can set speed it moans at at 70mph. A touch more than 70. 20 or 30. other speeds does a bit over then bongs. Does 20mph nag when in a 30. not 100% correct as said. Road not many minutes for home, 30mph residential. gets wrong. Not a problem. Software update. It had a few using it's built in 4G data could add but guess new cars, January ones it wont get as too old. Driver systems can be turned off but as you say, come back on. I don't bother. The odd bing and bong or pulling at the wheel the car does every now and then. lane departure, not to bad, things we all get used to when new car does. A bit odd at the time but now 6 months on. not too bothered
Its called cruise control on my aussie ford falcon😅.
Well the devices can be taken off and car will roll normal. Or tap the camera to not detect speed limits
Yeah, we've come to live with disabling seatbelt warning sounds and light 😂😂😂
Ok while I'll be just fine I'll never be able to afford a new car so I'm just sticking to my old one
My car is a 2010 Toyota Yaris so i don't give a 💩💩
When you replace it in 14 years time you will. :)
@@torquecars More like 20 years by which time i will be dead
Does this mean that speedoes will be super accurate?
Nope. But the actual vehicle speed as a variable would be quite accurate. The speedometer will probably still have a slight difference. It’s the law.
If it uses GPS to find the speed limit, maybe it also uses GPS to calculate whether that is being exceeded?
I'd hope so, because most speedometers over read by 5-8%.
Disable system at purchase.
Remove speed cameras. Will be made redundant if all cars have this system.
It won't effect me as I can't afford a new car anyway.
It should slow the speedsters down!
Pish,simply turn the ISA off like you can with Stop/Start
First of all, it's not a limiter. It's a speeding warning. Limiter is actively limiting power to the engine to keep the car at the speed limit. The chime just annoys you when you think going 10-15% over the actual limit is needed for traffic safety reasons, or when you think accelerating to 80kmh from a standstill in a city is acceptable.
There's a lot of people who pride themselves on having a steady gas foot, claiming therefore that adaptive cruise control is unnecessary. What they fail to see is that adaptive cruise squeezes extra 10-15% fuel efficiency because it tracks the ECU mapping much more carefully and can pick a perfect amount of air and fuel to happily cruise along. That's not to mention that with a free foot and relaxed hands, driver's mental stack is less saturated, allowing him to look further, plan earlier, react sooner. Speedo is always a bit over true speed, but it's really not an issue if your approach to driving includes planning your trip.
There's a proverb in Russian, "one who rides quieter, gets farther", and it applies wonderfully to motor vehicles. Just let the cruise control do its thing, and be ready to step in and override it when it fails or your maneuver requires manual action. 1 in 25 road signs for now are misreported by ACC, oh well, use the buttons to adjust it, dismiss the chime.
And we're following an EU regulation ,because?
I think you pay for the car you should do what you like with the car please tell me what’s the government going to do with out all the money coming in for Speeding going through cameras and why are more and more Cameras going up if they’re gonna put this in cars because if it’s in God you can’t speed so why do you need cameras?
Just don't speed. No problem then!
Won,t work too many discrepancies etc in mandatory limits and temp limits off road cars travelling not to limit for the.Ie 60 limit car doing around 55 want to pass take you an age. Dangerous~ yes big time,more and more collisions!
Disagree with all of it. Nanny state big brother.
They would be better off getting a lane hogging system working rather than this crap.