Salva Kiir and Riek Machar: South Sudan's shaky peace | Talk to Al Jazeera
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- South Sudan became the world's youngest nation in July 2011, but despite independence the country went to conflict again two years later, when civil war broke out - leaving tens of thousands dead, more than two million people displaced and an economy in ruins.
In 2013, former rebel leader and vice president Riek Machar was sacked by President Salva Kiir in a cabinet purge. Later that year, Kiir accused him of plotting a coup, which prompted Machar to flee the capital, Juba.
Machar denied the allegation, but the incident triggered South Sudan's vicious civil war.
After protracted negotiations by regional mediators, a peace deal was achieved between both sides in August last year and Machar has been sworn in again as vice president.
Kiir and Machar, have agreed to share power and are now tasked with rebuilding the world's youngest country that has been devastated by the conflict.
South Sudan is facing severe economic problems, and a deal with international donours has yet to be implemented.
"Whenever there are displaced people, or there are refugees, the solution is always money so that you can settle them. And then you get them food, medicine, everything so that they live comfortably, whether they are foreigners or citizens. So our problem is money. We have no money." says Kiir.
Riek Machar's delayed but much-publicised return should mean a positive working relationship with his arch rival Salva Kiir, but the key question is: Can they work together? And are they aiming for the same goals?
"We are unified now... As the government of national unity, we are functioning smoothly," President Salva Kiir says.
But asked about the agreement and his message to Riek Machar, Kiir says: "When you preach messages of hate, probably you are going to divide the people.
The problem, that we are not moving smoothly on the implementation of the agreement, is the way the agreement was designed. And when I signed this agreement in August last year, I said this in front of the president of Uganda. I told him that this agreement was not made to be implemented."
When confronted with Kiir's doubts about the implementation of the agreement, Riek Machar states:
"Well, he hasn't told me that. Because we have been discussing the implementation of it. So I expect that he will respect this bargain in the agreement. [I expect him to] Implement it by spirit and the letter of the agreement.
The agreement is a roadmap, first for reform, and for establishing the new system of governance in the country, which will lead us to a democratic elections. This is the aspiration of the people of Sudan. After independence, they want a democratic election to take place."
Al Jazeera's Peter Dobbie sat down with President Salva Kiir and the first Vice President Riek Machar in South Sudan's capital, Juba, to find out how they see their role in the reconciliation process and what they are planning to do to solve the many problems facing the world's youngest country. They also discuss their relationship, the role of the international community, and the prospects for peace and unity in the future.
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as a Somali former fighter I know war my brothers in South Sudan please stop this nonsense killing
Good
listening to this interview,,, I realise kiir dosent have his own strong vision for the country,,, what ever people tel him to do he dose,,, he should work with riek and other tribe leaders to fix the problems,,,, being a leader u have 2 put peoples needs first..
When 2 elephants fight it's the grass that gets hurt, so many people have died because of these 2 greedy and ignorant men they are fighting for their self interest not careing for the inocent people of south Sudan. GOD Help Sudan
Finally someone with some common sense x HELP SUDAN
Abdul rasul a 3
some kain and Abel movement.
with oil all over the country I think you know whose behind this war
@Marisiyana Narangi S
@Marisiyana Narangi S
@Marisiyana Narangi R
Israel.
USA of course
I don't really know who to trust from this two leaders may God bless the people of south Sudan and long live Africa.
Don't trust John Bolton and the United Kingdom. Always remember that their journalists are the tools of division.
They’re just as bad as each other
I strongly believes, if machar did not win the up coming selection, he will surly returns back to the jungle
Philip George
While I understand there is a language difference here, Al Jazeera's Peter Dobbe still seems to be patronizing President Kiir! And, also, even though an interviewer's job is to try to get the person being interviewed to tackle the most important and sometimes most difficult issues, that must be done respectfully and skillfully. The interviewer must not abuse his power over the person being interviewed.
There's just a cultural difference. When an interviewer that does not hear the answer they expect or something else is said that is contrary to what they know; there's some mild pushiness. Civilizations/ cultures behave differently. When there was the Ebola epidemic; some in the US were like cut all flights from Africa. Also telling people that Sadam Hussein had WMD and as such he should be invaded and stopped. Some people thought the above cited mechanisms will work.
Cultural biases and perception run everything. All subconscious.
The interviewer was very respectful. Everyone in power has to encounter some friction
The interviewer was very respectful. Everyone in power has to encounter some friction
thank you for noting...
this is what we face most in Africa even interviewers get rights to be seen on one side and nothing can be done to that.its so sad to be seen like that..
Sorry, I feel these new leaders are being black-mailed and put into a loose/loose situation.
For better southern Sudan's
Better throw away those stupid evil leaders both
Then start new systems
This will work out well no Marsh no sarvakr Alla are very stupid
I wish Riak is honest and sincere because I love his vision and intellect.
Jamaica Stands with the unification of one Africa.
Africa unite
Riek Machar soldiers killed civilians in attempted coup in order for riek to be president , it as the scariest two days but it's the UN Who has instigated this , they give his army arms , they forced an agreement on him which was detrimental to peace , how could they force the president to have 2 armies in one government , they are trying to create a Rwanda genocide part 2, kiir is a weak leader and riek is obsessed with power.
That’s true bro
Be together in principles for the sake of your country.
BAHOSA??
10:45 he breaks down how they order around all African Presidents. Check how quickly the interviewer runs away from those statements.
Very true
Kiir is driven by tribalism and Machar is driven by power and both are misfortune of a nation...
even though Machar is logical in expression and yet catastrophe, Kiir is more of a buffoon with no clue... but again they are all buffoons fighting for legitimate authority😂😁
Absolutely true bro!
axander levi ,
both suck but i’d rather have Machar
Very true, unfortunately
My advice to President (Kirr) Is that the government should have one Force not everyone should have is own Army
You are very right about that great comments
I don't really know what to trust from this two leader may God bless the people in South Sudan and God bless you so much and iam in Ethiopian in refugees agency am in camp in Ethiopian
with due respect RIEK MACHAR he is too greedy .in in the family everyone have a role no one jump into the other persons responsibilities...
Diing Juac You have to respect yourself us woman and on other hand women and children are the one suffering in South Sudan and Non of the two can take south Sudan a head and we need to stand us one citizen with one nationality and vote for someone who can respect the rule of law and freedom of expression like what Riek said.
Yse that is true
the guy with cowboy hat sound fake the guy with green hat sound real and good for people of South Sudan
This is stupidy..he is just claming that "we have no money"
South sudan is among the richest country in terms of Natural resources..
But people are die ..cuz africans leaders are eating all money...why not stop war and let people go to WORK
Mi dear resources r not money
U.S, CHINA, FRANCE, BRITAIN, and more Hungry Natural Resource!!!
...........journalist :......your what do u do next
......riak:... i will be at home writing my memos heheh the man is wise !!!!
Not memos..he said memoirs
Dr. Riek Machar is a intelligent man
In an earlier interview salvar kiir said they were not friends but comrades in a common cause yet now he says they were friends for a long time.
That's politics
True say
The money is not always the solution, right, our problem is money. Because the greed of 2 guys.
machar is very power conscious!!!
Stop throwing each other under the bus and stick to the peace commitment
please Mr President throw away that cowboy hat
SY L
he is bald
It was given to him by Former US President George W Bush
Big PandaaOne Sam o nella academy
Nothing like working together, they must draft a constitution which defines the role of each...and machar to assume opposition leader's role...and an organised judiciary, legislature and executive!
Has nobody seen that Riek Machar seems like he's being held against his will? What's that room he's in? Why is it so dark? That's no way to reach a compromise.
God Bless, We real need the new leaders, due to these are not really leaders for the country. Military man can't be the president; and lead the country in peace and boost economics.
"Hmm where are you coming from “ said by useless president ever lead a nation 🤔🤔
Why do idiot useless people without respect like you comment?
Unless you didn't understand what he meant. Let me shade some light. He was saying America is bullying him into doing and saying at their command....
You are the most useless African to exist, if you can’t understand that
I am from Khartoum Sudan but there kinda poor we Africans are not that rich like American because I live there in Summer it is sooooooooo hot even if you drink water you are still hot even in every sison I am sorry if I spelled seon wrong
I dont think Riek Machar will do "other things" if he lost the election, other than instigating another quarrel.
You are right brother, the Guy is addicted with his wrong violance
Funky We need someone else apart from the two and do you think Silva Kiir can do anything to developed South Sudan?No,even today child can never support him because he has fail our country.
+Simon Bang I totally agree with you brother👍👍
axander levi Thank you
@@rambangtotdeng2598 Definitely someone else must lead this nation, kiir& Machar must go
We need services to be delivered to our country citizens.
South Sudanese have all the time in the world. Black people have all the time in the universe. So, sit back and listen if you are sober.
conservation of parks wildlife zumbas sambas bambas indigenous commune with telecoommunivation sectors
this man not intelegent to be president
He ware a cowboy head and white men cloos thank about it.
BANWAACIS DAGAAL = WAR DECLARATION = Carab Ha Is weydiin waayama? waa ALDAJAALIIN
These criminals will not do anything they love power
❤ Thank you Kiir Mayardit as always with this journalist who is interviewing you on the conflict in South Sudan.
this is only for my hero of peace
victory is certain 🇸🇸🇸🇸🇸🇸🇸🇸🇸🇸only one man can change the ruthless regimes
Pay close attention to the conversation from 10:23 and you will understand who is behind and benefiting from this war.
he talk only money he doesn't main about people of S,Sudan
What are you doing to your Country? As if you are saying we were wrong to get independent
Who is behind these two men..
This is very rough and chunky but hope you get the basic idea
This conflict started in 1991 when riek machar mobilized Nuer civilians and massacred 10,000 people in Bor all because he wanted to make a better SPLA and defeat dictator John garang he called him. So spla nasir was formed and they allied with north sudan to take down spla the former enemy of the south. It gotten so bad that dinkas has to abandon their own cultural mark in order to be safe and that how hatred of dinka toward nuer grew. But spla still succeed despite that spla made first move on reconciliation and mad piece agreement to both Riek forces and north Sudan despite that the wound was too deep from SPLA and riek still say there is need for a change in leadership and he should be the one. Salva was the chief commander of SPLA by that time and when john Garang died so as A member of 5 high commanders that found the movement which founded south Sudan and the most loyal and devoted fighter/leader since the day he became a rebel in late 1960s he was chosen to be president.
all these people need to learn from Mandela. I know they didn't have an organised state or system, but I am a dependant of Southampton Sudan by virtue of being a luo in Kenya, we are smarter , brighter and blessed by God to let us deteriorate to this level. Humility is key , but lacking in South Sudan.
*descendant of south sudan
👍👍@Lovelace, Mandela did advocated justice, peace and reconciliation and he was extremely wise and visionary... but SPLM and SPLM IO in general is completely savage in ideology lacking vision to improve and unite S. Sudan.... and the people are poor victims of misfortune...
I'm going to fix it for you. 😠
Archangel Michael
12:41 I what the President said is completely different from what the guy told the Vice President 15:04. Very interesting interpretation there.
The yangest country but the oldest system of gvt.
Don't Interrupt the president, otherwise, listen.
You guy from Aljezeera you talking soo much.
Thief should not be given money unless genuine peace agreement is achieved in South Sudan as a whole, not just to begs money from international community and to eat them in J1. Please we need security and the real peace
This is the problem of having an illitterate as the head of anythjng. The result is total failure as manifested by this fool called Kir in S. Sudan. Anyone can see this is a fool who has no agenda for his country.
Way you let outsiders put fire to hate each other to two afrika brothers🤔think than you distrio you economy in your country.And now you need to borrow money🤔so they are can get diamond gold oil ect ect free to pay them back🤔thats the problem from war in afrika country.the have so much richdom in afrika land
Machar is the problem. He is not honest for his country and government. If he need to be president he should wait for the next election. And give chance for this rich young country to grow.
Dear brother, Kiir, you have a good heart....but your mind lucks the reason to move forward. You are a brother and I love you but do not let my people suffer....please, my.people....I have cried t*ers.....be you, be kind but always be kind....
I believe that cowboy hat which was given you by former president of USA... That could be something behind that cowboy hat..behind Africa war there might American
If these two cannot get along, then they should both step down for the sake of South Sudan. While this back and forth between the two goes on, tens of thousands of people have lost their lives, homes or have being displaced. This is all about a power struggle between two men that has resulted in historical human suffering.
thanks for president Salva Kiir Mayardit& Dr. Riak Machar but you are forgot our situations in South Sudan as all concern Hunger in South Sudan is a part of Corona Virus Disease.let us feel free to defeat hunger and corona Virus disease in South Sudan.
peace is more over important for Africa country
remarkable seettlement needed with merging of all security personnel lawfully plolitically private sectors agriculture entertain cinema farming meat products dockyard import export od commmodities extraction or refinery mines coal petroleums
If money is the "problem" make your own then... Blacks in america has this same dependency issue thinking they need help from outside forces ect.
We used your arnored Limousine
Did african leaders went to school really...why not stop war. Let people go to work and build the country..pay taxes feed poor people
Like reik machar second president south. Sudan African my people wark together he good
We cows and Petroleum
These two must be replaced... Both clans must select other people to be their leader..... Dont waste your time as many lives will lost!
Watching both of them their eyes, one can see that they are sick. and they really need rest.
GOD is the helper, and supporter of all african people, without GOD there is no way to save african people, if you really want to help of GOD then you listening my song, and remain empty handed, never take any revenge, but you only slogan GOD IS OUR
This is the most funny president...he could have gotten a denture for his missing teeth!
This is a fool at the helm and he will not let go. He is intimidated by the educated cadre and so he will hold on and die with the country
Rieck machar have a vision he should lead this nation for good
this man have nothing to do with fight in south Sudan,but rather can say we citizen are the issue we follow unknown information propaganda is what brings fighting to our lovely home...but an empty stomach will always do something to get food if the salary can do it using names of the president...to me and other south Sudanese citizens he is that peaceful
person which has never been just yet but too bad we too blind to see it...hope this round united nations find time to see goodness of others its really about time...
but you all got lots of money for weapons,,,amazing,,
everthing thing idsfairin love and war
Yes court judgement wait you
"uuh Where are you come from?" funny question from Kiirdit.
When do since that agreement 🤝
Did he picked his nose ? GROSS
I want to ask Africa, when are we going to have unity we Africa? If yes or no , i need answer.
DANJIRE WAXA UU JOOGAA DANJIRTOOYOH
All the rebels in southe Sudan are defeated militarily by the government. These rebel movements should laye down their arms and concede to the will of the people of southe Sudan by joining the political process in the Africas youngest nation to build that nation, government and people.
There is tribal oppression going on...giving up arms is giving up tribal integrity
Kirr should lead from the front,shun tribal, and lead by policy rather than being administrative
oh mar al dash bash lol :))))
One about south Sudanese leaders are action without thinking they are all lies
you can feel it that Reiak Machar is so selfish and power-hungry, he repeated the word "Election" 20+ times and whenever he mention the people of South Sudan he followed by "security for election" .
I feel ashamed to see these tribal minded hatred of people toward Riek Machar with no reason and I think you guys should know that,President Kiir his not educated enough to answer simple question.How can president said that,Am order by everyone and Am like child,that sound bad to me and I realize that,He's not capable to rule south Sudan. We need to stand together us future youth of south Sudan and not to fellow these fail two leaders.Whoever's dying in South Sudan matter to all of us brothers and sisters.May God protect our lovely homeland and the people in the country.
RE-read your poor writing before pointing a finger, have some respect.
TooClean Mylife Someone’s intelligence has nothing to do with how well they can speak and right your language.
make darfur lives in Australia with my family and I love them so much
no more justification needed
Yes court judgement TRIALS can happen in South Sudan
It is News for conflict
way of stupidity can't lead forward unless machar lead us into the external light of freedom and justice
sorry for my president better to call pastor to pray for his English
Ooh that restless rebellious man he was born in disaster n will die in disaster
It is now or never. Human greed must not hinder human development. Our South Sudanese people have suffered enough and peace must be implemented NOW.
Your lying on your interview moreover many people dead in camps shame on you
holly war as of spiritual thoughts needed drafted agenda of peace accord pemanet with mediated of african mnations
South Sudan is the poorest country in the world
We're in peace bro
We have to described the way Dr machar taught because he will unity south Sudan but Mr president driven a tribalism and killing I nonsense people
Man your English is so awful
Please write something sensible🙏🙏🙏
This is the man leading a country lol oh Africa