To toot the Trotskyist horn, "impossible demands" are EXACTLY what we call for what he wrote about in the Transitional Program. We don't have the apparatus nor the social movement to make meaningful said demands now but that IS the idea
To Carlos re: what would politics look like if we had TIMENERGY? By necessity, a society withTIMENERGY for all would be a society that has already abolished the need for politics.
Lmao..."Man is Political" this is Plato and Aristotle Utopic thought experiments only justify ones depraved movements. (see Justification Systems Theory)
thank you, Kyler! Good luck in the game this weekend! Seriously though, I'm glad you were able to join when you were, your participation was excellent!
I think Byung-Chul Han is comparable to people like Plotinus, Ficino, or Pascal in the Western tradition, where philosophy is more a form of contemplative practice of spiritual exercises. Sloterdijk, on the other hand, theorizes the idea of philosophical practice and exercise as such. But Han's writing I think exemplifies the possibility of what it looks like to take up spiritual exercises as a form of practice in the 21st century. Nance, I don't really understand why you associate him with Silicon Valley? He's a best selling author in Germany, so I think we can assume that he has broad popular appeal, without knowing anything specific about the "German reading public". Also I find his books on Asian metaphysics to be very interesting, for instance his essay on Chinese deconstruction. I think to say he is a lesser Sloterdijk unfairly downplays his very unique attempt to bring Eastern and Western traditions together (the only other person I know who is doing this is actually Benjamin Studabaker, and it would be interesting to ask him what he thinks about Han's work). I do think you seem to be reading Han in a "non-literary" way. Authors have a choice: one path involves building arguments based on distinct, clearly defined concepts (Descartes, Heidegger). But the other approach is to use language to undermine itself, and to engage in wordplay. In my opinion, Han's use of puns and wordplay indicates that we are engaging with a text that takes the second approach. Ultimately, I see Han as a Hegelian who is trying to get to the Absolute through the spiritual practice of writing. I notice that no matter how many rigorous works I read, I still prefer literary works every time, whereas I'm fundamentally skeptical about our ability to figure reality out just by thinking about it really carefully. My answer to Heidegger's "we have not yet begun to think" would be that if this is the case, then we are never actually going to think. But in that case, we've also redefined "thinking" to be some activity that nobody has ever actually done, rather than an activity we routinely engaging while being-in-the-world. Anyway, if I'm ever not working, it might be cool to read a text of his together some time.
I appreciate your feedback! I definitely am unfair to Han, I think I associate him with Silicon Valley because that represents some vague idea of something that I like but also resent for some reason (In the case of SV, I resent the fact that it is the geographic center of the disease that is killing humanity, at least superficially; and with Han I think I resent his ability to write decent theory that appeals to many people in a timely manner, and that's something I wish I could do! Probably anyway) Han is dope, for sure, I just don't love him! And yeah, Studebaker is fucking amazing!!!!! Also, I'd love to read some Han with someone who probably knows him better than I do!!!! Hopefully we can get the chance some time!!!
The Green Room ideas was completely brilliant. These discussions are outstanding.
Thank you, good sir!!!
To toot the Trotskyist horn, "impossible demands" are EXACTLY what we call for what he wrote about in the Transitional Program. We don't have the apparatus nor the social movement to make meaningful said demands now but that IS the idea
Impossible demands...aka the March towards Secular-Utopia ...at least you admit it
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To Carlos re: what would politics look like if we had TIMENERGY?
By necessity, a society withTIMENERGY for all would be a society that has already abolished the need for politics.
straight up dude!!!!!!!
Lmao..."Man is Political" this is Plato and Aristotle
Utopic thought experiments only justify ones depraved movements.
(see Justification Systems Theory)
This is digital gold, glad to have found you all
Thank you!! I'm glad you're here!!!!!!
This was so cool! Thank you Nance!
thank you, Kyler! Good luck in the game this weekend! Seriously though, I'm glad you were able to join when you were, your participation was excellent!
I think Byung-Chul Han is comparable to people like Plotinus, Ficino, or Pascal in the Western tradition, where philosophy is more a form of contemplative practice of spiritual exercises. Sloterdijk, on the other hand, theorizes the idea of philosophical practice and exercise as such. But Han's writing I think exemplifies the possibility of what it looks like to take up spiritual exercises as a form of practice in the 21st century.
Nance, I don't really understand why you associate him with Silicon Valley? He's a best selling author in Germany, so I think we can assume that he has broad popular appeal, without knowing anything specific about the "German reading public".
Also I find his books on Asian metaphysics to be very interesting, for instance his essay on Chinese deconstruction. I think to say he is a lesser Sloterdijk unfairly downplays his very unique attempt to bring Eastern and Western traditions together (the only other person I know who is doing this is actually Benjamin Studabaker, and it would be interesting to ask him what he thinks about Han's work).
I do think you seem to be reading Han in a "non-literary" way. Authors have a choice: one path involves building arguments based on distinct, clearly defined concepts (Descartes, Heidegger). But the other approach is to use language to undermine itself, and to engage in wordplay. In my opinion, Han's use of puns and wordplay indicates that we are engaging with a text that takes the second approach. Ultimately, I see Han as a Hegelian who is trying to get to the Absolute through the spiritual practice of writing. I notice that no matter how many rigorous works I read, I still prefer literary works every time, whereas I'm fundamentally skeptical about our ability to figure reality out just by thinking about it really carefully. My answer to Heidegger's "we have not yet begun to think" would be that if this is the case, then we are never actually going to think. But in that case, we've also redefined "thinking" to be some activity that nobody has ever actually done, rather than an activity we routinely engaging while being-in-the-world.
Anyway, if I'm ever not working, it might be cool to read a text of his together some time.
I appreciate your feedback! I definitely am unfair to Han, I think I associate him with Silicon Valley because that represents some vague idea of something that I like but also resent for some reason (In the case of SV, I resent the fact that it is the geographic center of the disease that is killing humanity, at least superficially; and with Han I think I resent his ability to write decent theory that appeals to many people in a timely manner, and that's something I wish I could do! Probably anyway) Han is dope, for sure, I just don't love him! And yeah, Studebaker is fucking amazing!!!!! Also, I'd love to read some Han with someone who probably knows him better than I do!!!! Hopefully we can get the chance some time!!!