I’m mesmerized how metric mechanic mixes art and science to create beautiful components for maximum performance and beauty in their design. Keep it up Teddy, Tyler and team!
This is great stuff you are doing and doesn’t go unnoticed. I and a handful of people I know would buy your product in a heartbeat with the level of care you’ve put into this platform!
I have a M54B30 swapped into an E34, this is relevant to my interests. There is a lot of nonsense floating on the internet when it comes to the M5x intake manifolds, nice to see some actual testing.
Great inspiration. I am looking into making an intake for a CBR 600rr that will power a Formula Student single-seater. Has to be custom as it must comply with hundreds of rules and this seems like a good method.
Super interesting data, thanks for this! if by any chance you ever get hold of a N54B30 intake manifold, it would be interesting to see how it compares to these M serie manifolds as it doesn't have nearly as hard bends as these do. And some people have claimed great results with it on M50 and M54 engines.
I'm in the process of putting the Deepmotor N54 intake on my M54.. holes are different that's all, and best part is it's made for retrofitting port injection so already has ports and even comes with fuel rail..
I love How this is going into a z3 The same thing that Im trying to turbo right now I hope the best for him and remember to reinforce the rear much Love and great welds
You are spot on. So true on the rear. A few months ago Tyler broke the single ear on his 188 diff. I found an e34 rear cover for him and he fabricated some dual mounts, added a beam in the trunk and triangulated it to the rear struts. I was real proud of what he did. He is currently looking at 210 options for down the road. I’ll share this comment with him. 😁 Thanks so much and wish you the best on your Z3. Keep me updated.
@@teddyroweshow of course unfortunately can't buy the parts as fast as I wish I could only 19 but hopefully will be done by next year will def keep you updated.good luck much love
Thanks for asking. I have more work and testing (including dyno time) before I get to the point of offering anything to the public. But if you want to talk car projects and go over your build, I’m game. I’ve got questions and I’m genuinely curious. You can message me on Instagram @bimmerbear
Curious- since the outer cylinders have such a hard time getting air/ fuel would it be possible to build an intake with 2 or more smaller throttle bodies? 1 for cylinders 1-3 and another for 4-6? I mean I know its possible but would it actually be able to function or would it cause issues with ms42/43 or anything else? Thanks, love the video
or even 2 separate but exact intake manifolds similar to the exhaust manifolds on the m52/54 where its 2 separate pieces? This would definitely be hell with the DME with double the sensors wouldn't it? Also getting relatively equal amounts of air to each one but I guess you could use 1 air filter to a Y set up?
I’m glad you asked this. I saved aside some m42/44 throttle bodies because they have a unique dual throttle. I thought 1 each for 3 cylinders like you mentioned would solve that too. The throttle cable vs drive wire based on people’s different applications. As for a production manifold I struggled to figure out how to do that. Then at some point I just wanted to get something done. Help build my confidence kinda thing. Thanks and I’m open to conversation and ideas.
Interesting video. Is the idea for the manifolds for forced induction or N/A engines? I drive a e46 330 and it has always interested me that there does not seem to be that many tuning parts available for the M54, like larger throttle bodies and aftermarket manifolds etc. Some supercharger kits available and ITBs but as soon as you hear any one person mention anything about looking to tune their M54, there are 10-15 people commenting that it is a stupid idea and not many gains to be had from the engine.
Thank you sir and I agree. Your comment had me laughing because I’ve also heard the same thing. I honestly don’t get it. To answer your question the first intake in the video is for Tyler’s Turbo Z3 coupe. The second manifold is NA for an engine build going into my e30. My goal is to get 3-4 different kinds of intake manifold designs done for dyno testing. I try not to get my hopes up and we’ll see what happens. Thanks again. 🍻 Cheers.
@@yannickmargot7056 Absolutely! I’ll flow test it for free. Email (tr334is@hotmail.com, twcrbmw@gmail.com) me or hit me up on instagram. Bimmer.bear. I’ll give you my cell. Real cool of you. Thanks.
Hey mate, do you know what the ‘boost limit’ of an m52 manifold is? I stopped making more power beyond 20psi with a 3584r turbo, 3 inch dump and twin 2.25inch exhaust. I’m curious if I simply hit the limit of the m52 manifold or if it’s something else. Would like to hear your opinion.
What do you think about two throttle bodies ? More air more power ? I so Simple but I never see this solution , And I dont know why , for example 1 throttle body for bank 1 (1,2,3cylinder ) and second for next three cylinders , thanks for answer
From what I read, dual plenum is only good for V engines, dual tb on a single plenum would probably introduce turbulence. A centered tb on a single plenum is the best way to go on an i6
Wasn’t there something that came out about having an elliptical shape trumpet flows more air than a recessed/dimpled runner?? Skunk 2 does this with their manifolds and they make a lot of power.
sitting here trying to figure out how to move my throttle body on the manifold i just made, I feel yah! Felt so dumb when my bonnet didn't close, but decided fuck it keep going!
Yes, the s54 crank will fit into the m50 block. Metric Mechanic did sell a crank adapter but it was expensive to produce and we no longer sell it. It was had to justify. The s54 crank has a better journal overlay between the rod bearing and main bearing then the s52. If your looking for a 3.4 liter build it would take a stroke of 94mm and a bore of 87.5mm. The walls become thin at that bore and your rod ratio suffers at that stroke. The m50 is a shorter block then the s54. Custom pistons and rods are a must. I’ve been down that road and it was okay but nothing to brag about. Thanks again for asking
i want to see some testing on the new spa turbo m5x intake. the tapered runners look like the newer bmw intakes..... and its cheaper than the poorly designed china options
e39m5 's channel. he is building a e39 530 with a supercharger, he is installing a s58 intake/cooler in the next episode, it will be interesting to see how that factory intake is adapted to a m54
Wow, the stock m54 head intake port is quite a lot worse then m50tu? As someone that tried and built intake manifold myself, for m52tub28 engine, I know how much time and effort it requires! I did it quite a lot worse then you guys too :D. It worked, but I felt no gains, so i ditched it, should have made maf logs... M50 manifold made no improvements on my engine on a dyno, at the least m52tub28, if anything it showed 4hp less then m54b25 manifold... Im really interested to see the results you guys will get! Good job and good luck with the project! Manifolds look awesome.
🙏Thank you. I’m still in the development stages and I don’t want to over promise. But once things come together, I’ll provide updates. Means a lot to me that you asked. 🍻
Taliferrro imports made the injector adapters. They’re left over from M44 injector adapters we had laying around. I got some long stock to put the injector I the correct angle. Thanks for asking.
This is amazing but the problem with the stock intake is the design not the material. while I appreciate the skill and engineering, it seems like if this same design were frp it would be way less effort to duplicate after you have a mold and you could incorporate more organic curved edges.
Not yet. That is a goal. I don’t want get ahead of myself and I really appreciate you asking. Still developing. If you have any questions or want to talk BMWs I’m around and on Instagram. Bimmer.bear. Thank you.
“Work is worship” 😁 Thanks for mentioning the runners. I’m working on a few other ideas and I’ll do updates when I’ve got more work done. Thanks again.
I really wish there was more of the for the M50. Porting, polishing, chamber shape. Almost nothing in the public domain. Never know if you are making something better or worse. More airflow isn't the answer to every question.
First I love this video because you're doing the stuff I love to do... But we need to get you a 3D printer. You are currently on step two. Fabrication of a useful manifold. Step one is to quickly iterate a bunch of designs with some plastic cheap and easy printed runners until you find what you want to make on the flow bench. Because doing all that work and tooling and everything Well we don't need to tell you how much work that actually is. But when you get to the end and you find out man you just need to change this one thing or it would work better if you did this differently... You want to find that out on the cheap plastic that automatically printed out while you were doing other things. You don't want to find that out after you have a week's worth of work in something.
I do need a 3d printer. So true and thank you. Tyler has the 3D printer and he has been real supportive of this project. I skipped over a bunch of flow testing videos. Thanks for watching and the advice. 🍻
is there a reason the injectors are so far up the runners , and don't appear to point at the rear of the valve? (first manifold) p.s. my brothers name is Tyler Davis. I don't claim to know what's better, Just a honest question. maybe you address it further in the video?
Great questions. Thanks. Tyler wanted the injectors higher up because his theory is giving the fuel a bit more time to cool the air and mix. As for the angle of the injectors. I didn’t wait to get the proper materials and I used injector adapters we have for the m44. They’re to short and should be longer. Good eye. I’m still learning and since then I’ve corrected that. This video is technically a year old. I debated on posting this because I was hoping to be further along with the project. Had to finish my X3 and start on my ti. Got spread thin. I’ll pick it back up and continue to share. Thanks again. I appreciate the discussion.
ben alameda racing says the same thing, latent vaporization of fuel its like free water meth cooling with the fuel further up the Runner. his channel is a hidden gem even if its ford stuff the secrets are universal. i still wonder how it effects sequential injection trying to time valve events , or if its basically batch fire at that point. i never saw much loss running simple digital system batch fire vs ms41/42/43 ect. thanks for the reply @@teddyroweshow
I’m mesmerized how metric mechanic mixes art and science to create beautiful components for maximum performance and beauty in their design. Keep it up Teddy, Tyler and team!
Thanks homie😉
This was really cool to watch. I really like that pressing jig for your runners. It’s nice to have good friends. Good work!
Stumbled on to this after watching some 8HP swap videos. I own an e39 540i 6-speed. Love watching this kind of content.
This is great stuff you are doing and doesn’t go unnoticed. I and a handful of people I know would buy your product in a heartbeat with the level of care you’ve put into this platform!
I have a M54B30 swapped into an E34, this is relevant to my interests. There is a lot of nonsense floating on the internet when it comes to the M5x intake manifolds, nice to see some actual testing.
I love how it is a centered opening instead of the cylinder 1 offset.
👊 Hell yeah! Thank you for mention that.
Great inspiration. I am looking into making an intake for a CBR 600rr that will power a Formula Student single-seater. Has to be custom as it must comply with hundreds of rules and this seems like a good method.
Super interesting data, thanks for this! if by any chance you ever get hold of a N54B30 intake manifold, it would be interesting to see how it compares to these M serie manifolds as it doesn't have nearly as hard bends as these do. And some people have claimed great results with it on M50 and M54 engines.
I was just going to comment about this. It might be easier to make an adapter (with fuel injector bungs) to fit a stock N54 intake.
I'm in the process of putting the Deepmotor N54 intake on my M54.. holes are different that's all, and best part is it's made for retrofitting port injection so already has ports and even comes with fuel rail..
I love How this is going into a z3 The same thing that Im trying to turbo right now I hope the best for him and remember to reinforce the rear much Love and great welds
You are spot on. So true on the rear. A few months ago Tyler broke the single ear on his 188 diff. I found an e34 rear cover for him and he fabricated some dual mounts, added a beam in the trunk and triangulated it to the rear struts. I was real proud of what he did. He is currently looking at 210 options for down the road. I’ll share this comment with him. 😁 Thanks so much and wish you the best on your Z3. Keep me updated.
@@teddyroweshow of course unfortunately can't buy the parts as fast as I wish I could only 19 but hopefully will be done by next year will def keep you updated.good luck much love
stumbled on your channel and checked out some other videos. Cool stuff you're doing! I'll be sure to follow this project.
Real cool of you. Thanks. I don’t know how this will pan out but will see. At least I’m getting better at welding. 😂
Great video, can’t wait to see more
Please post more progress when you get the chance thank you looking forward to more
Most definitely. Thank you sir.
Simply awsome work and effort 🤟
So cool of you sir. Thanks. 🍻
The venting part..I fell ya hahaha
Amazing video
very interesting ! thx for sharing !
I’ll keep sharing. Thank you.
Amazing work brother thank you for sharing 🫡
🙏 Thank you.
Iv been wanting a new intake for my super charger set up , making for public sale ?
Thanks for asking. I have more work and testing (including dyno time) before I get to the point of offering anything to the public. But if you want to talk car projects and go over your build, I’m game. I’ve got questions and I’m genuinely curious. You can message me on Instagram @bimmerbear
Nice! I want one of those for my 320i
nice!
Curious- since the outer cylinders have such a hard time getting air/ fuel would it be possible to build an intake with 2 or more smaller throttle bodies? 1 for cylinders 1-3 and another for 4-6? I mean I know its possible but would it actually be able to function or would it cause issues with ms42/43 or anything else? Thanks, love the video
or even 2 separate but exact intake manifolds similar to the exhaust manifolds on the m52/54 where its 2 separate pieces? This would definitely be hell with the DME with double the sensors wouldn't it? Also getting relatively equal amounts of air to each one but I guess you could use 1 air filter to a Y set up?
I’m glad you asked this. I saved aside some m42/44 throttle bodies because they have a unique dual throttle. I thought 1 each for 3 cylinders like you mentioned would solve that too. The throttle cable vs drive wire based on people’s different applications. As for a production manifold I struggled to figure out how to do that. Then at some point I just wanted to get something done. Help build my confidence kinda thing. Thanks and I’m open to conversation and ideas.
And yes. I agree with your 2nd comment too. Thanks again.
Interesting video. Is the idea for the manifolds for forced induction or N/A engines? I drive a e46 330 and it has always interested me that there does not seem to be that many tuning parts available for the M54, like larger throttle bodies and aftermarket manifolds etc. Some supercharger kits available and ITBs but as soon as you hear any one person mention anything about looking to tune their M54, there are 10-15 people commenting that it is a stupid idea and not many gains to be had from the engine.
Thank you sir and I agree. Your comment had me laughing because I’ve also heard the same thing. I honestly don’t get it. To answer your question the first intake in the video is for Tyler’s Turbo Z3 coupe. The second manifold is NA for an engine build going into my e30. My goal is to get 3-4 different kinds of intake manifold designs done for dyno testing. I try not to get my hopes up and we’ll see what happens. Thanks again.
🍻 Cheers.
@@teddyroweshow look forward to further videos
Interested in flow testing the new M50 Cast Alloy Spa Intake Manifold? I just got one yesterday.
@@yannickmargot7056 Absolutely! I’ll flow test it for free. Email (tr334is@hotmail.com, twcrbmw@gmail.com) me or hit me up on instagram. Bimmer.bear. I’ll give you my cell. Real cool of you. Thanks.
Is it possible to make 2 equal length 3-1 intake runners that merge to a collector like headers?
Hey mate, do you know what the ‘boost limit’ of an m52 manifold is? I stopped making more power beyond 20psi with a 3584r turbo, 3 inch dump and twin 2.25inch exhaust. I’m curious if I simply hit the limit of the m52 manifold or if it’s something else. Would like to hear your opinion.
Sometimes the high boost creates enough heat to negate gains. You might try a very efficient intercooler.
Was the flange from GB the one that is made to run s50 or s54 itb's on a m50?
❤ dope
That small profile flange is from a 323
What do you think about two throttle bodies ? More air more power ? I so Simple but I never see this solution , And I dont know why , for example 1 throttle body for bank 1 (1,2,3cylinder ) and second for next three cylinders , thanks for answer
From what I read, dual plenum is only good for V engines, dual tb on a single plenum would probably introduce turbulence. A centered tb on a single plenum is the best way to go on an i6
Wasn’t there something that came out about having an elliptical shape trumpet flows more air than a recessed/dimpled runner?? Skunk 2 does this with their manifolds and they make a lot of power.
When r those Manis gonna be available for sale
Bro please show results and how it makes the car sound
sitting here trying to figure out how to move my throttle body on the manifold i just made, I feel yah! Felt so dumb when my bonnet didn't close, but decided fuck it keep going!
Would you sell the first manifold? Maybe even make one for a reasonable cost?
Thank you very much for sharing your work. One question, can an S54 crankshaft be installed on an M50 and have greater displacement?
Yes, the s54 crank will fit into the m50 block. Metric Mechanic did sell a crank adapter but it was expensive to produce and we no longer sell it. It was had to justify. The s54 crank has a better journal overlay between the rod bearing and main bearing then the s52. If your looking for a 3.4 liter build it would take a stroke of 94mm and a bore of 87.5mm. The walls become thin at that bore and your rod ratio suffers at that stroke. The m50 is a shorter block then the s54. Custom pistons and rods are a must. I’ve been down that road and it was okay but nothing to brag about. Thanks again for asking
@@teddyroweshow Thanks for the explanation.
i want to see some testing on the new spa turbo m5x intake. the tapered runners look like the newer bmw intakes..... and its cheaper than the poorly designed china options
I agree, the SPA manifold looks good. If anybody wants to send me one I’ll flow test it for free. 😁
e39m5 's channel. he is building a e39 530 with a supercharger, he is installing a s58 intake/cooler in the next episode, it will be interesting to see how that factory intake is adapted to a m54
Thanks for letting me know. M539 is an awesome channel. I’ll keep an eye out for it.
Wow, the stock m54 head intake port is quite a lot worse then m50tu? As someone that tried and built intake manifold myself, for m52tub28 engine, I know how much time and effort it requires! I did it quite a lot worse then you guys too :D. It worked, but I felt no gains, so i ditched it, should have made maf logs... M50 manifold made no improvements on my engine on a dyno, at the least m52tub28, if anything it showed 4hp less then m54b25 manifold... Im really interested to see the results you guys will get! Good job and good luck with the project! Manifolds look awesome.
Bro how can I order ah part from you I need ah m50 manifold
🙏Thank you. I’m still in the development stages and I don’t want to over promise. But once things come together, I’ll provide updates. Means a lot to me that you asked. 🍻
Why not make your intake manifold out of plastic like the stock one?
damn did you guys turn your own injector bosses as well?
Taliferrro imports made the injector adapters. They’re left over from M44 injector adapters we had laying around. I got some long stock to put the injector I the correct angle. Thanks for asking.
@@teddyroweshow super cool. You guys are very inspiring.
I need one 😊
Thanks Jimmy🍻
Hello,
Do you sale the Intake manifold?
I appreciate you asking but I’m not ready. I’ll keep posting as I make more progress.
This is amazing but the problem with the stock intake is the design not the material. while I appreciate the skill and engineering, it seems like if this same design were frp it would be way less effort to duplicate after you have a mold and you could incorporate more organic curved edges.
Its been 11 months, please upload an update on this !
are those beautys for sale??
Not yet. That is a goal. I don’t want get ahead of myself and I really appreciate you asking. Still developing. If you have any questions or want to talk BMWs I’m around and on Instagram. Bimmer.bear. Thank you.
Thats a lot of work.
Runners look quite short. It should breathe well at very high rpm
“Work is worship” 😁 Thanks for mentioning the runners. I’m working on a few other ideas and I’ll do updates when I’ve got more work done. Thanks again.
I need a s50b30 turbo manifold how do I find this company please
I’ve found a trailer hitch is great for that bevel but I’m no good with computers 😂
I really wish there was more of the for the M50. Porting, polishing, chamber shape. Almost nothing in the public domain. Never know if you are making something better or worse. More airflow isn't the answer to every question.
We’re is the follow on from this video
First I love this video because you're doing the stuff I love to do... But we need to get you a 3D printer. You are currently on step two. Fabrication of a useful manifold.
Step one is to quickly iterate a bunch of designs with some plastic cheap and easy printed runners until you find what you want to make on the flow bench. Because doing all that work and tooling and everything Well we don't need to tell you how much work that actually is. But when you get to the end and you find out man you just need to change this one thing or it would work better if you did this differently... You want to find that out on the cheap plastic that automatically printed out while you were doing other things. You don't want to find that out after you have a week's worth of work in something.
I do need a 3d printer. So true and thank you. Tyler has the 3D printer and he has been real supportive of this project. I skipped over a bunch of flow testing videos. Thanks for watching and the advice. 🍻
is there a reason the injectors are so far up the runners , and don't appear to point at the rear of the valve? (first manifold) p.s. my brothers name is Tyler Davis. I don't claim to know what's better, Just a honest question. maybe you address it further in the video?
Great questions. Thanks. Tyler wanted the injectors higher up because his theory is giving the fuel a bit more time to cool the air and mix.
As for the angle of the injectors. I didn’t wait to get the proper materials and I used injector adapters we have for the m44. They’re to short and should be longer. Good eye. I’m still learning and since then I’ve corrected that. This video is technically a year old. I debated on posting this because I was hoping to be further along with the project. Had to finish my X3 and start on my ti. Got spread thin. I’ll pick it back up and continue to share. Thanks again. I appreciate the discussion.
ben alameda racing says the same thing, latent vaporization of fuel its like free water meth cooling with the fuel further up the Runner. his channel is a hidden gem even if its ford stuff the secrets are universal. i still wonder how it effects sequential injection trying to time valve events , or if its basically batch fire at that point. i never saw much loss running simple digital system batch fire vs ms41/42/43 ect. thanks for the reply
@@teddyroweshow
ua-cam.com/video/jhKqPrDPfFs/v-deo.html talks about it around the 52 min mark