Great video! It seems you redid some of the same work I did for my Alter Ego article about Stan's writing style. I concentrated on more than the superheroes alone (because I don't like them that much) and you found many things I did not. I do remember there was one more thing Jack Frost with later heroes - it also has the hero call the humans 'puny'. A word Stan really liked to use. Overall my focus was more on the language and I picked up many of Stan's verbal traits, words he liked to use and how to spell them. One of the major ones no one has adopted since I found it (because like you, everyone seems to have forgotten that article - except for Roy Thomas, who quoted it for his book on Stan) is the fact that Stan never ever in all of his writing (from the first stoy to his letters to his agent and beyond) used 'through', always writing it as 'thru'. Although he was not the only one (Hank Chapman did it too), it can be used to determine a tory is NOT written by Stan. For instance, I am using it to make a list of pre-hero monster stories not written by Stan (and probably by his brother Larry Lieber). I'd love to skype one day and discuss these things.
I really enjoy hearing from you, Ger! Thanks for watching, thats very cool. I'm going to track down your Alter Ego article, would love to read it! The thru way of ruling it out as a Stan story is very perceptive.
Stan Lee probably more credit than he deserved as a writer, he was clearly the one who made these characters so interesting and likable. Let's take Spider-man for instance: What made him popular was not just the cool costume or the web swinging; it was Peter Parker's personal life as a nerdy teenager, the difficulties he had trying to hide his identity, his unmistakable quip, the hard choices he had to make, his disastrous love life, etc. As an objectivist, Ditko actually hated the idea of such a conflicted character. Although Lee was definitely not the sole creator of Spider-Man, but it was he who made Spider-Man relatable.
Charles Biro was way ahead of Stan Lee in regards to the Comic fans' letter pages. Check out, Michael T. Gilbert's articles in ALTER-EGO. You'll see what I mean. You did a fine job on this episode.
😎👍Reading Stan's Origin of Marvel Comics and Son of Origin books Alex it did disappoint me that Stan knowingly mislead fans with fabricated inspirations that created the Marvel characters he highlighted in those books. One thing I always acknowledge in discussions about Stan is that he combined other genres with the super hero one making the result appealing to fans of those other genres. 🤔 However Alex being a comic strip fan I noticed a few possible inspirations Stan might have subconsciously kept as references. Two 1930s Dick Tracy adventures come to mind , both reprinted in the 1970s. (1) The Purple Gang , A group of hooded well organized gangsters attempting to rule the underworld and plague society was reprinted in Golden Funnies (later renamed Vintage Funnies) A publication of DynaPubs. (2) The Mole , a rejected individual who lives underground and commits crimes against surface society was reprinted in The Celebrated Cases of Dick Tracy. In a Terry and the Pirates adventure from the 1930s Pat Ryan throws a circular disk at a group of pirates in a similar fashion as Cap. Yeah , I know the odds on that one but Terry was a major strip that was read by aspiring writers and artists. I have read and enjoyed the Willy Lumpkin strip on a digital newspaper site , I found a couple of small city papers that featured it. Stan had his precursors like Charles Biro and Richard Hughes over at ACG and even Harvey Comics contributed to Stan's development into the legend he now is. Stan put everything together at the right time - The Kennedy Era , the days of a new Camelot! The Atomic Age- Cold War Reality figuratively mutated a small time writer-editor into a herald of heightened heroism for a new age! Making us all True Believers!
in the later 1960s that he enjoyed both Milton Caniff and Al Capp, so I bet he was trying to add a strip continuity sensibility through his dialogue and editorial direction that would attract older readers.
@@ComicBookHistorians 😄😎 Comic strips Alex 👍 Interesting that you bring up Al Capp , Li'l Abner my #1 favorite strip since childhood. Both Abner and Dick Tracy impressed interest of comic strips upon me. I say interesting because If one follows the strip from the late 30s onward Capp's storylines are filled with heroic style fantasy elements as were his storylines for two other co-creations : Abbie and Slats ( beautifully drawn by Raeburn Van Buren) and Long Sam ( his gender switched Li'l Abner alteration drawn with great appeal by Bob Lubbers ). Along with Milton Caniff's influence with both Terry and the early years of Steve Canyon ☝🤓 One must also include the influential and much parodied Little Orphan Annie by Harold Gray. Annie had elements of fantasy that would befit Marveldom for did she and Daddy Warbucks not keep company with a sorcerer supreme ( Punjab) and a punisher ( The Asp) as well as Odin (God) in the form of Mr Am? Sometimes one wonders how much influence did Martin Goodman infuse Stan with? Did Goodman psychologically manipulate Stan too much?
Julius was the silver age. He put the shields around Batman and the flash for two examples. Reinventing the characters as they have become today. A genius and a kind king of men.👌🇺🇸👍💥😃💯♥️♥️
Very enlightening. I hope the right audience watches it (mainly the millions of Marvel/Disney fans who think a cameo in a movie equals being the creator of the whole classic Marvel universe). I'm glad you took the time (I applaud you for that!) to research the works that Stan, and Steve and Jack, did before the Marvel Age to contrast and compare what they brought to the new creations starting with Fantastic Four #1. I feel it provides a well balanced account.
*Perhaps people still don't understand what a director is in entertainment or tech.* Spielberg didn't write any of the code for Jurassic Park's CGI or even the Story. Steve Jobs didn't write any of the code for iOS or designed the iPhone just by himself (he had coders and designers for that). But you need a director that brings it all together. It's the same with Peter Jackson or Stan Lee. or Walt Disney.
It's that Carl Sagan interviewing Stan at 2:55? It really does sound like him. BTW, great work Alex!!
Mike Hodell was the interviewer, but you're right he sounded like Carl Sagan!
Steve Ditko Co-Creator of the Marvel Universe Video: ua-cam.com/video/joE4IwpTwxs/v-deo.html
There is no doubt that Stan Lee's ego evolved with the years.
Nice video ! 👍🏻
Jack Kirby Co-Creator of the Marvel Universe Video: ua-cam.com/video/XBbN8BmmfL8/v-deo.html
Great video! It seems you redid some of the same work I did for my Alter Ego article about Stan's writing style. I concentrated on more than the superheroes alone (because I don't like them that much) and you found many things I did not. I do remember there was one more thing Jack Frost with later heroes - it also has the hero call the humans 'puny'. A word Stan really liked to use. Overall my focus was more on the language and I picked up many of Stan's verbal traits, words he liked to use and how to spell them. One of the major ones no one has adopted since I found it (because like you, everyone seems to have forgotten that article - except for Roy Thomas, who quoted it for his book on Stan) is the fact that Stan never ever in all of his writing (from the first stoy to his letters to his agent and beyond) used 'through', always writing it as 'thru'. Although he was not the only one (Hank Chapman did it too), it can be used to determine a tory is NOT written by Stan. For instance, I am using it to make a list of pre-hero monster stories not written by Stan (and probably by his brother Larry Lieber). I'd love to skype one day and discuss these things.
I really enjoy hearing from you, Ger! Thanks for watching, thats very cool. I'm going to track down your Alter Ego article, would love to read it! The thru way of ruling it out as a Stan story is very perceptive.
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Amazing work here. You manage to show the warts and achievements of Stan Lee in a really concise and straight forward way. Thanks.
Stan Lee probably more credit than he deserved as a writer, he was clearly the one who made these characters so interesting and likable.
Let's take Spider-man for instance: What made him popular was not just the cool costume or the web swinging; it was Peter Parker's personal life as a nerdy teenager, the difficulties he had trying to hide his identity, his unmistakable quip, the hard choices he had to make, his disastrous love life, etc.
As an objectivist, Ditko actually hated the idea of such a conflicted character. Although Lee was definitely not the sole creator of Spider-Man, but it was he who made Spider-Man relatable.
I respect Stan Lee but....
The Pinocchio footage cracked me up !
LOL !
Charles Biro was way ahead of Stan Lee in regards to the Comic fans' letter pages. Check out, Michael T. Gilbert's articles in ALTER-EGO. You'll see what I mean. You did a fine job on this episode.
These are fantastic videos - keep up the excellent work.
Glad you like them!
😎👍Reading Stan's Origin of Marvel Comics and Son of Origin books Alex it did disappoint me that Stan knowingly mislead fans with fabricated inspirations that created the Marvel characters he highlighted in those books. One thing I always acknowledge in discussions about Stan is that he combined other genres with the super hero one making the result appealing to fans of those other genres. 🤔 However Alex being a comic strip fan I noticed a few possible inspirations Stan might have subconsciously kept as references. Two 1930s Dick Tracy adventures come to mind , both reprinted in the 1970s. (1) The Purple Gang , A group of hooded well organized gangsters attempting to rule the underworld and plague society was reprinted in Golden Funnies (later renamed Vintage Funnies) A publication of DynaPubs. (2) The Mole , a rejected individual who lives underground and commits crimes against surface society was reprinted in The Celebrated Cases of Dick Tracy. In a Terry and the Pirates adventure from the 1930s Pat Ryan throws a circular disk at a group of pirates in a similar fashion as Cap. Yeah , I know the odds on that one but Terry was a major strip that was read by aspiring writers and artists. I have read and enjoyed the Willy Lumpkin strip on a digital newspaper site , I found a couple of small city papers that featured it. Stan had his precursors like Charles Biro and Richard Hughes over at ACG and even Harvey Comics contributed to Stan's development into the legend he now is. Stan put everything together at the right time - The Kennedy Era , the days of a new Camelot! The Atomic Age- Cold War Reality figuratively mutated a small time writer-editor into a herald of heightened heroism for a new age! Making us all True Believers!
in the later 1960s that he enjoyed both Milton Caniff and Al Capp, so I bet he was trying to add a strip continuity sensibility through his dialogue and editorial direction that would attract older readers.
@@ComicBookHistorians 😄😎 Comic strips Alex 👍 Interesting that you bring up Al Capp , Li'l Abner my #1 favorite strip since childhood. Both Abner and Dick Tracy impressed interest of comic strips upon me. I say interesting because If one follows the strip from the late 30s onward Capp's storylines are filled with heroic style fantasy elements as were his storylines for two other co-creations : Abbie and Slats ( beautifully drawn by Raeburn Van Buren) and Long Sam ( his gender switched Li'l Abner alteration drawn with great appeal by Bob Lubbers ). Along with Milton Caniff's influence with both Terry and the early years of Steve Canyon ☝🤓 One must also include the influential and much parodied Little Orphan Annie by Harold Gray. Annie had elements of fantasy that would befit Marveldom for did she and Daddy Warbucks not keep company with a sorcerer supreme ( Punjab) and a punisher ( The Asp) as well as Odin (God) in the form of Mr Am? Sometimes one wonders how much influence did Martin Goodman infuse Stan with? Did Goodman psychologically
manipulate Stan too much?
Julius was the silver age. He put the shields around Batman and the flash for two examples. Reinventing the characters as they have become today. A genius and a kind king of men.👌🇺🇸👍💥😃💯♥️♥️
DC would have had a hard time surviving if it wasn’t for the work he did in the formative Silver Age.
Very enlightening. I hope the right audience watches it (mainly the millions of Marvel/Disney fans who think a cameo in a movie equals being the creator of the whole classic Marvel universe).
I'm glad you took the time (I applaud you for that!) to research the works that Stan, and Steve and Jack, did before the Marvel Age to contrast and compare what they brought to the new creations starting with Fantastic Four #1. I feel it provides a well balanced account.
Thanks Javier! Awesome to see you chime in here. The idea was to approach all 3 with some myth busting. I'm glad you enjoyed it!
*Perhaps people still don't understand what a director is in entertainment or tech.*
Spielberg didn't write any of the code for Jurassic Park's CGI or even the Story.
Steve Jobs didn't write any of the code for iOS or designed the iPhone just by himself (he had coders and designers for that).
But you need a director that brings it all together. It's the same with Peter Jackson or Stan Lee. or Walt Disney.
Shade y'all could of done this when he was alive
They were. Since 1970: ua-cam.com/video/IheUhktEFTk/v-deo.html