We Test the Curious WHIRLYBIRD Shotgun Round
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- Опубліковано 10 січ 2024
- Today we test out an experimental round that is designed to expand before it hits the target. It's a weird concept that is a low-recoil, high velocity and high concentration round.
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The gummy bear slow motion at the end was awesome! 😀
Long time no see Jesse and Mike!! You really made my day!!
@@taofledermaus Jeff I don't know how things stand between you and Paul Harrell, but he could use love and support from other Gun Tubers right now. Don't know why it's things like this, that are the only times when the Gun Tuber Community seem to band together. It needs to be ALL the time.
@@taofledermaus Jeff a Marine Grade Fishing Line might be better than then the string. I recommend Power Pro Super Slick in 50 LB, 100 LB, and 200 LB test. Try that Brand using different LB tests and see what you get, can also apply the results to the ClusterBuck. I use Power Pro Super Slick to make Bow Strings, made of the same Materials as Commercial Bow Strings, but made better and with better Quality Control and R and D. Also much Cheaper, just has a smaller diameter than Commercial Bow String. Most Bow Hunters make use of Fishing Line.
@@OleDirtyMacSanchez I did the calculations and the string was being pulled with about 1,100 lbs. of force from the spin.
@@taofledermaus Well try straight Spectra vs the Dacron Spectra mix. You should probably look around Online to see what you can find that'll have a good High Tensile Strength. I'm just hoping what you find will not just be the right diameter but also not too pricey. Remember most Metals rust, and Synthetics can dry rot during storage. That can happen to any of the materials before you get a hold of them, and can happen to the then made Ammunition during it's storage.
When I first started watching your channel a few years ago, I thought "how long can someone keep up a channel that mainly covers 12 gauge slugs" but you just keep coming up with cool ideas!
Lol I know right!?
@carlbrown, I've been a study attendant of Jeff's videos, it isn't about coming up with things, he also debunks gimmicks, hunting fireside folklore, and popular beliefs that are old wives tails. also, he doesn't just "Say so" he shows it in his high speed video's. I have a lot of respect for what he provides on his channel, he isn't just some informercial dude trying to sell you something in a so called "Review" of a product that he wouldn't buy himself. He tries to help people from making that mistake of being taken in.
@@taofledermausmaybe tie wire would get the job done get some thin gage and twist into a loop kinda like a wreath? I'm worried the knot will fail if you tie it were as a braid/weave will pull themselves together.
He also isn´t a hippie, he is a Physicist!!!
I remember back in the day I felt like Taofledermaus and Demo Ranch were kinda doing similar things but Taofledermaus had a better camera and Demo Matt was in a free state. LOL Still watching and loving both channels. I've even got my wife hooked on both the channels.
Cool! That has got to be one of the strangest payloads you've accelerated, I would guess? Next time with wire binding or maybe Kevlar thread? We await the future...
They accelerated silly putty, glass bullets, Ex-Acto blades and a lot of other bizarre things over the years.
I was thinking bank line, it's tar coated natural material, it ties into knots that just stay put. Some bank line, for cat fish, says it has 100's of pounds, depends on size.
Use barbed wire for more damage! /joke
You got a lot of kevlar thread from old vests I think that will work the best. Thanks for all you do Tau.
@@marzcapone9939,
Nah, some high rated braided fishing line…
I would have liked to see a ballistic block, see how much the round penatrates.
Super interesting load, the fact it held together, even more interesting!
Dyneema bow string material in blazing orange dye might be better suited as cord base and should be good for the camera as well. Great testing as usual!
Thanks for the very interesting idea. Those things really are devastating when they hit. I appreciate the young folks from United Ammo partaking in the testing.
thank you Bill!!
Very cool idea. Just throwing this out there you should try that spider wire fishing line I think they sell it up in fairly high tensile strengths and it's really thin so you might be able to double it up and send it through a riffled barrel without it flying apart!
I had the same idea. I'm glad I checked the comments. It doesn't do well against sharp edges, so threading it through a drilled hole would likely cut it. If it were tied, I think it would have a better outcome. Even with the 30 lb test.
Both Spectra and Dyneema are temperature sensitive, tending to lose almost all their strength at higher temperatures, melting at 297 F.
?Nickel titanium wire trace would also be great.
60 lbs test (or higher, 60 lbs just has better lay than higher strengths) braided line, dyneema/spectra is used for similar applications as kevlar.... ultra high tensile strength. Its dirt cheap, but you're gonna need to watch how you tie it. Have a deep sea fishing buddy aid you with that part.
@@nevisstkitts8264 in a shot cup, they won't experience such temps, otherwise the food coloring in the base of slugs wouldn't survive either. Thermal conductivity is so low in shotcups, should be fine as long as thick enough line is used, ie 50-60# test vs 30 lbs.
We appreciate you guys for coming out and doing an awesome video
thank you!!
Thanks Jeff! Thanks to the shooters, Zack, Justin and Amanda and of course thanks to Wade Rush for coming up with another odd projectile! Fun video and no sore shoulders!
thank you!!
Another great video! And a really cool round. Seems like there’s a ton of potential with this projectile. If it would stay in the hull until impact that might improve accuracy and then instantly expand causing tremendous damage.
I love that you use new people😊 thanks Jeff I love everything you do 💕
Pretty sweet. Maybe some braided steel wire for added strength. Once again love the background music. Nothing like some Heavy Metal tunes to go with some Fast Metal rounds!
That gummi bear shot was just gnarly. Very awesome.
Thank y’all.
Love those xperiments. Always fun to see.
thanks!
All your videos are entertaining. Firing random projectiles to learn what works and what doesn't is all great. Thank you to all of your guest shotgunners
thank you!
I always love to see what you guys come up with to shoot!
That impact pattern is sick lol. Would love to see different binding materials used, steel wire nylon fibers even wool thread lol. Come up with weird things and I guarantee something will defy expectations.
great video Jeff... Hope yall had a great Christmas and a very blessed new year my friend!
Wow!! Good to see you Wade! Bless you too! Still trying to utilize all the hard work you put into making all the pellets you sent!
I do appreciate the effort from all, that goes into making these great videos TLM, keep them coming!...
thanks Mike!
I really like that round. Phenomenal job guys. And props for showing the fails too. That's a big reason why I continue to watch this channel religiously. One can not shine without casting a shadow.
thank you!!
Good video this one. Nice to see the different gun qualities affecting the ammo behaviour.
thanks!
I think you might need twist/braid steel wire with something like high temp silver solder or preferably a spot weld to hold it together consistently and reliably. I think these could be a very viable option for companies to put into production, and even make them into a shorter/mininshell to increase capacity with a low recoil but high velocity round thats ideal for defense because its all the advantages of buckshot with drastically reducing the disadvantage/risk of collateral damage from the "flyers"
These would greatly add to production cost ( two additional steps, drilling holes and running wire/string) without any real viable advantage. Why would I choose this over low recoil 8 pellet Federal flight control? It’ll give you a nice two inch ragged hole at 7-10 yards every time. Or why would I choose this over a slug (an 18mm hole, almost an inch), that I know is going to do the job and be accurate as well?
Yeah sure, if you’re using generic 9 pellet buck shot you might see a flier here and there at 15-20 yards that’s a little outside the standard grouping, but we aren’t talking about something crazy in most cases.
Not to mention, find me one reliably verifiable case of a justified self defense shooting that resulted in the good guy accidentally shooting their family or neighbor due to over-penetration, or a shotgun “flier”.
spot welding braided wire is a non starter - at lleast it was when me (idiot, french and of average height) tried
Hey Jeff! I love everything you guys do. My favorite is when you share assembly tips and tricks(homemade sabots, TP slurry filler/wad, and the coffee buffer) I'd love to see a lot more of these kinds of tips and tricks from you! Keep up the good work Sir
thankS!!
I love your guts videos, so fascinating. Hopefully here soon I'm gonna get into ballistics and gunsmithing and I can send ya some stuff! These videos are fascinating.
thank you!
I appreciate them coming out. Great seeing guest shooters 🎉
Thank you so much for sharing this video!!! Great results!!!
thanks!
That's a hell of a clean roll crimp. Nice work Jeff. This is my favorite channel!
-Jimmy Paulson
Still using the Nick Ross roll crimper. It does a nice job
Even the ones that aren't quite perfect we all learn something! Thanks for everything you do brother!
thanks Bob!
Awesome video, and interesting round concept.
Would it be possible for loads like this in the future to get a shot of the high speed lined up sidewise so the shot is in focus the entire length down to the target. would be awesome to see the round "deploying" between barrel and target.
Thanks for making entertaining videos. We really enjoy them.
thanks for the nice words, Andrew!
I'm a locksmith, I'm wondering what brass pins would do, or key blanks, or even the entire plug of a lock.
I can send a whole bunch of lock related stuff if you're interested in that.
Thank you for keeping it real. Much appreciated
Interesting slug design, could be worth a revisit....? If the slug opens up a with a slight rotational force - how about putting a rifled choke in the muzzle? That way it won't bust apart from too much centrifugal force?
It'd be interesting to see if you can wire them in a tetrahedron shape and get them loaded in to a shell?
Zach actually suggested when we were out there. It makes sense
@@taofledermaus I feel that the rifled choke would be less hassle though... Lol
As always, a great video. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it
Bonkers test load. Thanks for the video. Thanks to the shooters as well. Your one of the most unique gun tubers out there Sir!
thank you very much!
That was rather interesting. In the smooth bore not bad at all. Nasty wounds for sure. Another great video as usual Jeff and shooters.
thanks!
Retry, sounds good. Thank you, one & all.
Always a pleasure Jeff and guest shooters. :))
Yes, it was in my feed this time. Keep 'em comin'!
good deal! Seems like this one didn't find itself in too many subs' feeds
Thank you so much United Ammo for coming out to the range and recording for us! We're always glad to have interesting and new presenters in the TFM nation.
Awesome video, these were some amazing rounds!
thanks!!
Crazy looking round Jeff, I like it.
thats pretty cool! im glad you reposted, cause i missed this one. haha
This channel is interesting and entertaining every video. You all have a good time testing and laughing and it makes my day better.
thanks Jared!
Damage wise, Seems to be working pretty well 🤙🏽
Fellas great video as always! Thank you!🙏
thanks!
Jeff,Zack,Justin, and Amanda, y'all rock! Love the channel and content. Peace ✌️
thanks!!
You probably have two or so issues with the thread; one is the low tensile strength, and another other is the breaking strength of the knot used. Most knots are weaker than the rope they're tied in. The treat may not have broken, it may have been the knot that did.
Interesting concept. More please
Yet another great video, Thanks!
thanks Andrew
One of my favorite channels.
thanks!
Thanks Kindly for this whirly twirly and cool video! You go through many efforts to entertain we fans and it’s greatly appreciated! Many Blessings and a Great 2024! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
Much love y’all! Thanks for the videos!
thank you !
Makes me smile when my notifications go off...👍👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 absolutely love your channel...
thanks Joe!
I didn’t receive the push notification from UA-cam, but I saw it in the general feed. Grrr
Now that is an interesting load. My question or idea would be to add a center slug. pointed or rounded but at the base slightly beveled to allow the slight recess of one ball on the dumbbell. Then tie those recessed down and fold the other forward and place in wad. After the shot and parting from the wad the round should appear like a prop and hub. Maybe accurate maybe not but would be darn interesting.
It's crucial to get the right amount of overpenetration.
I really like the looks of these for a personal protection round hopefully you can find a better link system/item and maybe be able to mass produce them
This is the first video in my feed on a long time
Great music as always
I would love to see those through the patented New and Improved Meat Target! At least a gelatin block. They might be pretty hot for household defensive stuff.
Nice round. That was a fun idea. Thanks Jeff.
Glad you enjoyed it
That's right... Give the ants a caffeine buzz...
That ballistics bear now has a splitting headache!
"I'm no hippie"
You say that like a bad thing. Maybe if the hippies had shotguns we wouldn't be where we are.
VERY IMPRESSIVE, as well as the shooting.
Another top drawer video Tau!
thank you Gordon
Odd but it would work perfectly at the.southern border 😂
Can't wait to see the next iteration of this ammo.
Another interesting video! Thanks to the guest shooters too. I'll echo what others have said about a stronger wire/thread. I don't know if you can get Dynema or Spectra thin enough, if not then steel wire. Also the last shot into the cardboard showed almost perfect performance except for accuracy. Something to ponder.
i think if you tied them together so they'd stay in a cylider shape until they hit something they might be more stable in flight and might even survive the rotational forces with the thread doubled or even tripled around the mid point as well.
also consider that it might be your knot slipping, not the thread breaking.
For the channel that àlways makes you say WOW! and helps you learn and laugh i give you a big 10/10 Jeff, and guest shooters killed it too.
thank you very much!!
Always something interesting in your videos... Loved the gummy bear shot!
thank you Nowan
A really cool take off of the cluster buck. Which BTW I've made with #3 split shot sinkers from Walmart. Using telephone wire.
Awesome!! A full gel block, even a yellow one, would be interesting..
The wet magazines gave us the information we were looking for
That's a fascinating projectile
That fluid action on the gummy bear was AWESOME!
You never disappoint
6:03 "It's called canoeing, and it's cool!"
Amanda is kinda badass, and the best comment was the silver linings. Happy New Year and continued successes in your ventures
thanks!
Ballistic jelly block shot would have been interesting.
Interesting projectile, Jeff, and interesting guest shooters as well. 👍
thanks Noah!
That gummy bear shot was epic 6:25
As a young man I didn't like failures. Over the decades I have learned how valuable mistakes can be. Always something learned.
I Definitely didn’t expect it to walk through the wet magazines like that.
Devastating destruction!
it's a pretty mean little round!
I like seeing the guest shooters. That was a good idea. We’ll always miss Danny, great man. I know OG has been extremely busy with travel and such. But make sure you travel to his place and he still comes back there to hang out.
Welcome United Ammo. Thank you for the great work.
Love your videos, thanks. Maybe some 100lb test fishing line? Braid?
Nicely done
I'd *REALLY* love to some of these made using piano wire (instead of thread) through a rifled barrel. I'd bet that the accuracy would be spot on, and you'd always get full deployment.
6:03 considering the resiliency of those Gummy Bears, that's some impressive damage.
Cool video as usual thank you much
Very cool!
Thanks to the TaoflederCrew and today's guest testers.
Other than stronger filament or wire, I wonder if some sort of toilet paper molded sabot kind of thingamabob would let the rifling engage and hold it together until it exits. Getting those things spinning while still connected would be awesome. I really like the idea of the ~30mm light recoil 12ga load.
I think the buffer did a good job of transferring the spin into the core.
Yeah that was a good test. Some good ones. Some bad ones. Some information learned. Solid.
Great video yet again
thanks!
Great as always
Glad you think so!
Def a nasty front door round for sure!!
"steel fishing line leader" might be what you need
And I thank you for keeping up with these awesome experiment.
Idk that last shot looked like it deployed how you described it would in the beginning; did it spreading open like how it did possibly cause it to drift high, especially factoring in the spin it had.
And maybe the spin came naturally how you packed it in the shell?
(Also: the used coffee ground trick was a cool fact of the day)
I can't say for sure why that one rotated at all!