I never thought about the influence of the Fino-Ugric languages on the inhabitants of Volga Bulgaria first, and then on the Tatars and Bashkirs. A very informative video. Thank you from the Kazan Tatar!
Hungarians do have a bit of proto uralic ancestry, hungarians have been known for (quite some time) to have mutations in the EDAR gene found almost exclusively to asians & uralic peoples, which change teeth shape & breast milk production
You must mean _some_ of today Hungarians have a bit of proto-Uralic ancestry.. Because, say, Magna Hungaria's hungarians (Magyars) had and those made their way from there to modern Hungary have not less than 60% of Uralic ancestry..
The sami map is slightly wrong. There were and still are sami settlements/settlement on the norwegian coast all the way down to Trøndelag. My grandfather is from the forests of Trøndelag. Aside from that it was really depressing to see how quickly the the peoplegroups started vanishing in Russia after the turn of the 19th century. I've met some Sami's from the Kola peninsula and never have i heard them speak their own sub-language and 2 of the ones i've met just gave up on their sub-language in favour of North sami which has more speakers and more books for learning and courses.
Even the Russians are included as part of the Uralic family, which is incorrect. In fact, Russian is part of the Indo European Language family, most notably Balto Salvic-East Slavic branch.
@@HalifaxHercules The map also shows Tatars and Bashkirs that arent either uralic, but it shows them to show who killed off the hungarian people who were left in the siberia.
You started the spread of proto-Uralians way too far north, in my opinion. Genetic and archeological studies seem to show that the ancestors of proto-Uralians came from the south, from around Manchuria. (And they seem to have come to Manchuria from Southeast Asia, but that is much further back.) Also, the proto-Uralics probably ranged significantly farther south when they spread west too, as more southern regions would have been much more habitable. Probably the proto-Uralics once ranged south all the way to the Eurasian Steppe, but stayed in the forest regions to the north of it (aside from proto-Hungarians who later joined the Turkic steppe nomads in their lifestyle). Thus, your placing of proto-Finnic people to the north of proto-Ugric people and showing them spreading west in the very north of Eurasia seems quite wrong. The Uralic people probably spread west by the southern route, and then the Ural mountain range and other peoples inhabiting the Eurasian Steppe to the south split the Uralians in two, producing the Finno-Permians in the west and the Ugrics in the east of the Urals.
An older history of the Proto-Uralians than in the video is not exactly known, and it is quite likely that the people who came out of Manchuria were also the ancestors of both the Yukagirs and probably other language families. The descendants of the proto-Uralians are the Proto-Finno-Ugrians and the Proto-Samoyeds, and then the Proto-Finno-Ugrians are divided into Proto-Finno-Permians and Proto-Ugrians. So it is likely that the Proto-Uralians were located east of the Urals. You are using a theory that does not include PCA genetic data. According to genetics, Ancient North Eurasian (ANE) related West Siberian Hunter-Gatherers (WSHG) originally lived in western Siberia. However, their genome is present with the genome associated with the Nganasans and makes up 1/3, and is present in all Finno-Ugric peoples, so if they spread from western Siberia, then only with the newly arrived Nganasan related genome. Initially, to the west of the Urals except for the tundra, lived people genetically almost identical to the Corded Ware without any admixture from the Comb ceramics culture, and were the most related to the Mordvins of all Finno-Permians and were probably Indo-Europeans. Article: Genetic ancestry changes in Stone to Bronze Age transition in the East European plain The change in the genome occurred with the penetration of the Nganasan component with an admixture from WSHG. It was then that the Finno-Permic languages probably penetrated there. Genetics shows that both the Finno-Saami and the Finns of the Volga-Oka, unlike the rest of the Finno-Permians, had an admixture from Comb ceramics culture, apparently geneticaly identical to the Kola BA, unlike the rest of the Finno-Permians, which indicates the distribution of the Finno-Saami and the Finns of the Volgo-Oka from the tundra of Europe, and if they came from there, then their relatives, the rest of the Finno-Permians, also came from there. Article: Genetic admixture and language shift in the medieval Volga-Oka interfluve
@@VictorLdVS Are you saying the haplogroup N people, whose modern descendants are highly associated with Uralic speakers, did not bring proto-Uralic (or its unknown ancestor language) to Europe/ Western Eurasia?
The Southern lands were inhabited by Indo-Europeans (Caucasoid pastoralists) Uralics filled a biological niche suited to the tundra forest, not forest steppe or steppe
For what I know there are three disputed homeland locations for Uralic people. The more accepted is on the Kama river west of the Urals, the secondth in west syberia and the last in central asia between caspian and aral seas. I never heard about this one depicted here
This map uses genetic data, not just linguistic and archaeological data. It all depends on which genetic source we choose. I preferred to choose an East Eurasian source called "Siberian". The Nganasans have a maximum of this component (96%), so we can assume that the Uralic homeland was located near the Nganasans. An alternative source could be the West Siberian hunter-gatherers (WSHG) who lived in western Siberia and Central Asia, but it is less significant than the Siberian component among the Uralic peoples. In addition, the Kets are linguistically probable descendants of WSHG, at least genetics shows the absence of other sources of this language. In the Kama river were originally present culture of Comb ceramics (Garino-Bor), a component of which is present only among the Sami and Balto-Finns, but not among any other Uralic peoples, and the peoples of Comb ceramics also spoke not in the Uralic languages, but in Dené-Caucasian languages as shown by hydronyms in Russia and the Paleo-Laplandic language, so the homeland of the Uralic peoples there is doubtful.
If you put the Uralic homeland to very north Asia, how can you explain loanwords from proto indo European before 2000 BC, and how can they use animal husbandry and small farming in the taiga/tundra where the climate is freezing. There should be words for animal and stuffs for that climate as an Eskimo has. Choosing a genetic ancestry which is reaching 90% in a tribe that is living far away from the proto European loanwords is very risky and wrong. It is true for the Ket/Yenisei people too. They have 90% Q haplogroup but they are connected to the Na-Dene people and/or to the Chinese people (C haplogroup and O haplogroup). Please consider population bottlenecks and founding fathers and changing languages, because they are the real answers for some problems. There isn’t any dene-Caucasian or any other macro groups, yet. MOST of the Uralic linguists locate the proto Uralic urheimat to the Kama river before 2000 BC. And there is almost no y-haplogroup N in that time in Europe. I know that the last source you used from Hungary they said that the Hungarian conquerers common people in the lowest level of the hierarchy has some N haplogroup and they said something about it, but please use the source of the linguists FIRST and the archaeologists and archegeneticists SECOND. There is no connection between Uralic and Turkic languages nor any other Asian languages.
@@fanstargateiloveuniverse Agreed, for what I know about genetics, its almost sure that Uralians people are born in the EHG ancestry cluster in Eastern Europe, or West Siberia
@@fanstargateiloveuniverse My map shows, among other things, the time and the sequence of divergense in the languages of the Uralic peoples. Linguistics shows that the Somoyedic languages are the most ancient branch of the Uralic languages, and the Samoyedic languages are located in the most northeastern area of the Uralic languages in the most difficult climatic conditions. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uralic_languages#Honkola,_et_al._(2013) There are also suggestions that the Yukaghir language has some connection with Proto-Uralic. By the way, the Turks during the time of the Proto-Uralians lived at best only somewhere in Mongolia. Proto-Indo-European borrowings from Proto-Uralians may well come from the West Siberian hunter-gatherers (WSHG), of which even the Nganasans have an admixture as shown in your favorite chart in my community. Animal husbandry appeared among the northern Uralic peoples quite late, at the turn of the era, apparently from the Iranian or Turkic nomads or from the Tungus. Agriculture did come to them from the Russians. I prefer not to use Y-chromosomes due to their imprecision, but to use genetic PCA. www.researchgate.net/publication/329218949/figure/fig3/AS:958954779717633@1605644044375/PCA-and-ADMIXTURE-analysis-a-PCA-plot-of-113-Modern-Eurasian-populations-with.png And it is not enough to talk here about the small number of people that belonged to the source of the Uralic language, as I am ready to remind you who brought the Indo-European language to modern Indians. The same pastoralists of the Hungarian conquerors were an absolute minority in front of the agricultural local majority, and yet they now speak the Hungarian language.
I love this video. Incredible, informative graphic on the history of these beautiful cultures with music to match. It doesn't get much better than this 🤍
the Hungarian part is kinda wrong, since when they entered the Carpathians, a few time after that and it was mostly a Hungarian basin, for example Transylvania was almost fully Hungarian (aside from German) until the 13th century, and after that they were gradually vanishing until it looked like how in the video
only in your head . The video is right Hungarians came around 900 and was never mostly Hungarian basin because they found there the majority made by Vlach and Slavs
Very interesting video, because I call myself as a linguist for two reasons, 1. I know many languages (Finnish (Uralic language) is my native language), and 2. I study languages, especially their relations with other foreign languages.
Great video, i have two small complaints 1) Hungarian‘s historical range included the entire carpathian basin after our migration to it in 895. The image you used shows modern distribution, which is significantly reduced from historical distribution, due to factors i will discuss in the next point 2) From very early on, you showed Hungarian as having 0% Uralic DNA, which also doesn’t track with reality. Studies have shown that up until the turkish invasion in the 1400-1500s, when the country became a constant battleground for hundreds of years, Hungarians had a plurality of Uralic DNA. The conscription by both sides, raiding and looting, and the consequent depopulation, followed by german/austrian colonialism and the bringing-in of foreign settlers (croatians in burgenland, czechs in the northern carpathians, serbs in vojvodina, etc. lead to the hungarian DNA becoming much more ‚european‘. If you ever make a future version, i hope you can fix these errors. Greetings from Hungary!
Much of this comment is the typical Hungarian propaganda. Of course that all of your land was 100% pure magyar 100% pure uralic until evil migrants colonized your land. Always the same story
Interestingly, the Russians with partial Uralic ancestry shown here could've been called Pomors, who were the sailers and other merchants who settled the north.
In any case, none of these languages developed in Mainland Europe. Despite the fact that the Finns and Saami have always bordered Europe and Asia both. Which is why they're considered European, but their language does not develop in European mainland.
This is 100% impossible. If it was true the most North Eastern Finno-Ugres wouldn't have Aryan borrowings at all. But they exists. My point is Finno-Ugres moved from ~Omsk towards Ufa-Perm-Kazan around 2400-2309 BC. (Earlier they were near Krasnoyarsk-Irkutsk - and this is why some subsequent Turkic tribes (Saha) obtained N haplogroup). There they met some of Sintashta people - and Aryanization become started. Then from there they expanded in all Northern directions: to North-East (Nganasans, Nenets, then Khants, Mansis), to North (Komis, Udmurts), to North North West (Saamis), to North West (Finns, Karelians, Estonians, then Meschera, Mari), to West North West (Mordvinians). They reached Estonia only in 700-600 BCE.
I use common historical sources as well as just logic. Mentions of Levedia as a place and of the Hungarian migration are at least in "De Administrando Imperio" by Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus, X century.. I really didn't study well the archeological sources on this subject, but if there are lack of them, I believe it is because of a little interest in them.. And it also comes from the fact that Alans(hun. Jasz) were tribe that migrated with Hungarians. And Alans are inhabitants of areas near and in Caucasus. So, they could make a stable union with them only interacting closely.. The same could be said about Avars. I also forgot to mention that this migration to Balkans is also described in Kievan Rus' "letopis", so it's really good documented..
@@The_Geographer_MapsIMO, as an American instead of using terms like “German-American” I would use terms like “Midwestern White American”, or Appalachian White American, Black American, New England White American
Sum and Yem are Finnish tribes described in the Novgorod chronicles and their wars with them in the 11th/12th/13th centuries. Chud on the other hand is the term used by Slavic speakers to refer to Baltic Finnic groups, but it eventually went on to mean Finnic people in a specific area.
@@AttilaRozsahegyi Azok a Hunok, de mi Magyarok egy külön nép vagyunk. De annyiban igazad van hogy a Magyaroknak több török genetikai maradványa van mint a Finn-Ugor, de csak azért mert a Hunok későbbi nemzedékei már a Kárpát medencében voltak amikor megérkeztek a Ugor Magyarok és utána az ottani népek öszekeveredtek az Onogur többségel, vagyis az azért van. De te mit gondolsz?
But according to Professor Mario Alinei and Michelangelo Naddeo, they originated in Europe and spread eastwards across the steppe, from where they influenced the small peoples of the north. However, the Yamnaya culture population does indeed have a North Asian gene (ANE).
It is a coincidence lol and even if it were to be real we wouldnt know since the common denominator would have to be over 10 thousand years ago meaning we have no actual way of testing its validity regardless.
I think the Sami language spread from the south-east as a lingua franca for trade, but I don't think it was a migration of people. Rather the ancestors of the Sami were halfway south into Sweden already when the ice started melting inland, not in the 17th century as the map shows.
In Scandinavia, the ice melted in 7000 BC, then the race for Scandinavia began between EHG from the east and WHG from the south of Scandinavia. This gave rise to SHG standing between EHG and WHG. Later, Comb ceramics people settled in northern Scandinavia. Apparently they brought the Paleo-Laplandic language. in the Bronze Age, people of East Eurasian origin who spoke Uralic languages reached Scandinavia. This created a population of Bolshoy Oleni Ostrov who stood between the Comb ceramics people and the East Eurasians, although they still spoke Paleo-Laplandic. The Uralic people also reached southern Finland and created the Proto-Saami language. They were genetically identical to modern Eastern Finns. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pre-Finno-Ugric.png In 400 CE, the proto-Sámi began to move north, assimilating the Paleo-Laplanders. This created a Saami of northern scandinavia, with a peak of Paleo-Laplandic ancestry in the Saami of northern Finland. www.researchgate.net/publication/329218949/figure/fig3/AS:958954779717633@1605644044375/PCA-and-ADMIXTURE-analysis-a-PCA-plot-of-113-Modern-Eurasian-populations-with.png Since apparently the Swedes and Norwegians are genetically related to the Eastern Finns than to the modern Sami, it can be assumed that initially the Sami of Sweden and Norway were geneticaly identical to the modern Eastern Finns. i.imgur.com/bYBQ9cy.png Presumably in the 16th century, the Finnish Sami began to settle mainland Sweden and Norway, spreading an increased Paleo-Laplandic ancestry.
@@The_Geographer_Maps your assumption about the Saami are wrong, the levänluhta samples make this clear, being practically identical to modern Saami people.
@@mky3039 It's hard to explain without a PCA lineup, but Levanluhta, unlike the Saami, has less hunter-gatherer ancestry, and stand in a wedge from Bolshoy Oleni Ostrov not to the Eastern Finns like the Saami, but to the Eastern Slavs. In other respects, geneticaly, a similar wedge went from the Eastern Finns to the Eastern Slavs in Ingria and Estonia of the same time. i.imgur.com/juVS3BN.png compvar-workshop.readthedocs.io/en/latest/_images/pcaAllEurasia.png
Yes, they have an Saami admixture, but they have less than 5% of Proto-Uralic ancestry, and the map does not show non-Uralic peoples with have less than 5% of Proto-Uralic ancestry. This is also why central and southern Russians are not shown.
Nah slovakia got uralicwashed. Ppl will go after the rare exception with maybe 1% to 5% in very rare cases and claim to be asian or turkic. Its silly. We are euros and slavs
The first exact name of the Estonians was the Russian name "Chud" to which the ancestors of the Votians also belonged, but only they were called by that name. The names of the peoples Sum, Yem and Ves also come from the Russian chronicles and they are not called Chud. There was also the Chud Zavolochskaya people, but in the annals where the name Chud comes from, Chud and Chud Zavolochskaya are called as different peoples. It is likely that Votians and Estonians were still one people in those days. No other names of Estonians of those times are known, therefore the name "Chud" is used. "Aesti" was also an egzonym known from the Romans and apparently belonged to the Balts, but the Germans who came to the Baltics during the Crusades redirected this name to the Estonians.
True, but they also called the Finno-Ugrians as "Chud beloglazaya" (white-eyed Chud) because of the light eyes of most Finno-Ugrians (espeially Finno group). It is true notice about eyes color till today!.. Most Finno-Ugrians of Volga-Urals have gray or alike color or green eyes.
@@The_Geographer_Maps No, the name "Chud" was used for all Finnic peoples and only later for Estonians. Yet back then it was a name used in Russian ONLY. It's quite an insulting term and Estonians generally don't like it.
Lol. Hungarians called fino ugaric people but show only less than 5 percent finno-uralic DNA, while russian, a slavic people, have more than 10 percent
Yeah it is strange that he kept the "Aesti" for Estonians for such a long time on the map but then put "Russians" right away as if that word was used at the time (it was not).
Русь (Росия) всегда была связана с Украиной и украинцами, а не с финно-уграми. Лишь в 18 веке название Россия стало употребляться и для Московии, где коренное население было финно-угорским. Так появилось название "великоросы", а в 20 веке его заменило "русские". "Россияне" - термин, придуманный Ельциным с образованием Рф.
Instead of monotonous, bloated Russia, there could be a bunch of equal Finno-Ugric republics in the huge Ural Union or Confederation, and also separate Caucasian and Turkic countries. There would be enormous diversity, some of which has already been lost forever. RIP 😢
Ну так они все есть!😂 А вот если бы не было России, давно бы из них сделали племена Тутси! А, ты не знаешь кто это такие!? Ну так открой книжку, да почитай?😂
Да, кстати, финны претендуют на всю северную территорию России, Архангельску, Мурманскую, Карелию, Коми, в общем до уральских гор! И если бы не было России, как минимум этих народов, а по сути одно и тоже даже с финнами, давно бы не существовало!😂 Так что лечись блаженный!
У меня на канале в сообществе показываются народы ассимилированные Прауральцами. Можете посмотреть. Доминирующей ДНК у Финнов является происходящей от Индоевропейской культуры Текстильной керамики раскинутой с раннего бронзового века по всему восточному берегу Балтийского моря. Её генетическими потомками являются Прибалты и Балто-Финны. Именно они имеют самый высокий процент происхождения от европейских мезолитических охотников-собирателей. Если мы копнём глубже, то западных Финнов можно смоделировать состоящими на 38% от Праиндоевропейцев Ямной культуры, 1% от Древних Северных Евразийцев, 20% Восточно-Европейских охотников-собирателей, 18% Западно-Европейских охотников-собирателей, 16% Раннеевропейских земледельцев, 2% Кавказских охотников-собирателей и на 5% от Прауральцев.
@@The_Geographer_Maps А сколько финнов взяли для исследования, 10 и все из Санкт-Петербурга? Всё равно результат будет N. ))) У финнов преобладающая гаплогруппа N, индоевропейцы здесь ни при чём, или они что, сразу со всех направлений мигрировали, с севера, юга, востока? ))
@StrangerSpace haplogroups don't determine a people's genetic make-up. Yes finns mostly have a Uralic Y dna paternal haplogroup but they also mostly have a european mitochondrial haplogroup. The corded ware indo europeans were in finland first but then were subjugated and colonized by Uralic invaders that imposed their uralic language and culture upon the natives. But the uralics did not replace the native population so over time the native baltic ancestry returned to prominence
Because it showed who came in to kill thoese uralic people and to split uralic people in half with the other ones left in west and other ones in the east.
why estonians and finns so little uralic ancestry? that cant be true. wouldnt that mean that we finnics then arent actually descended from proto uralics at all
@TheLuthum finnic are uralic. you mean samoyedic and finno ugric. and yeah i would expect that whole thing with scandinavians intermixing, but finns maintained alot of dna
Lol i found you again :) i guess the truth hurts, sorry you had to find out that your people are still almost entirely ethnic europeans despite the uralic colonization of the baltics and finland
No they did not, there is no genetic evidence showing uralic peoples in the baltics/finland more than 3500 years ago. They invaded and colonized the native baltic populations
I am not making a map about the distribution of haplogroup C, but I am making a map about the distribution of the Proto-Turkic genome in percentage of ancestry.
@@The_Geographer_Maps Do you include Mongolian, Buryat, Tajik, Oirat, Adyghe, Kabardin, Abkhaz etc., who have around 20-60% medieval Turkic blood , although they are not Turkic.
@@The_Geographer_Maps Also, the Proto-Turks formed in the Altai Mountains and Mongolia around 3000 BC. What culture or population did you use for the Proto-Turkic?
I have seen sources putting the uralic homeland near the sayan mountains in the russian mongolia border region. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayan_Mountains
The Uralic peoples, and especially the Nganasans, have a unique Siberian East Eurasian origin. The ancient and modern peoples of the Sayans and Baikal, and even the American Indians, have an additional East Asian ancestry to the Siberian, unlike the Uralic peoples i.imgur.com/l9HRGm5.jpeg www.researchgate.net/publication/329218949/figure/fig3/AS:958954779717633@1605644044375/PCA-and-ADMIXTURE-analysis-a-PCA-plot-of-113-Modern-Eurasian-populations-with.png This suggests that the Proto-Uralians are the descendants of the first Eastern Eurasians who settled Siberia after the last glacial maximum.
@@The_Geographer_Maps why would it suggest that, moron? Indo-europeans having BMAC admixture suggests that the indeo-european homeland was neolithic Iran?
I never thought about the influence of the Fino-Ugric languages on the inhabitants of Volga Bulgaria first, and then on the Tatars and Bashkirs. A very informative video. Thank you from the Kazan Tatar!
So we all come from the Nganasan, I knew it all along. Those people are our spiritual elders
Hungarians are Turks
Sad That they are Almost Extint
Said the Finnish guy, who is 25% Swedish and has 0,05% Uralic ancestry.
@@erwinner8929 why try to strip us from our identity and alienate us from our origins?
@@erwinner8929 He is hungarian
Hungarians do have a bit of proto uralic ancestry, hungarians have been known for (quite some time) to have mutations in the EDAR gene found almost exclusively to asians & uralic peoples, which change teeth shape & breast milk production
Does it make it more or less?
More. EDAR is a gene which indicate Uralic, Native American & Asian Ancestry. @@nostur4984
Yes I notice traits in myself and my family of that gene so I wouldn't state there is 0% Uralic gene in us but maybe 1-5% max.
You must mean _some_ of today Hungarians have a bit of proto-Uralic ancestry.. Because, say, Magna Hungaria's hungarians (Magyars) had and those made their way from there to modern Hungary have not less than 60% of Uralic ancestry..
Венгры и башкиры один народ
Very interesting. Could you do about origins and spread of the first farmers in the world, please?
More god tier videos that help me when I need them.
YAY! a new video!
The sami map is slightly wrong. There were and still are sami settlements/settlement on the norwegian coast all the way down to Trøndelag. My grandfather is from the forests of Trøndelag.
Aside from that it was really depressing to see how quickly the the peoplegroups started vanishing in Russia after the turn of the 19th century. I've met some Sami's from the Kola peninsula and never have i heard them speak their own sub-language and 2 of the ones i've met just gave up on their sub-language in favour of North sami which has more speakers and more books for learning and courses.
Even the Russians are included as part of the Uralic family, which is incorrect.
In fact, Russian is part of the Indo European Language family, most notably Balto Salvic-East Slavic branch.
@@HalifaxHerculesThey aren't included as part of the Uralic family. The map is just indicating that northern Russians have proto-Uralic ancestry.
@@HalifaxHercules
The map also shows Tatars and Bashkirs that arent either uralic, but it shows them to show who killed off the hungarian people who were left in the siberia.
You started the spread of proto-Uralians way too far north, in my opinion. Genetic and archeological studies seem to show that the ancestors of proto-Uralians came from the south, from around Manchuria. (And they seem to have come to Manchuria from Southeast Asia, but that is much further back.)
Also, the proto-Uralics probably ranged significantly farther south when they spread west too, as more southern regions would have been much more habitable. Probably the proto-Uralics once ranged south all the way to the Eurasian Steppe, but stayed in the forest regions to the north of it (aside from proto-Hungarians who later joined the Turkic steppe nomads in their lifestyle).
Thus, your placing of proto-Finnic people to the north of proto-Ugric people and showing them spreading west in the very north of Eurasia seems quite wrong. The Uralic people probably spread west by the southern route, and then the Ural mountain range and other peoples inhabiting the Eurasian Steppe to the south split the Uralians in two, producing the Finno-Permians in the west and the Ugrics in the east of the Urals.
An older history of the Proto-Uralians than in the video is not exactly known, and it is quite likely that the people who came out of Manchuria were also the ancestors of both the Yukagirs and probably other language families.
The descendants of the proto-Uralians are the Proto-Finno-Ugrians and the Proto-Samoyeds, and then the Proto-Finno-Ugrians are divided into Proto-Finno-Permians and Proto-Ugrians. So it is likely that the Proto-Uralians were located east of the Urals.
You are using a theory that does not include PCA genetic data. According to genetics, Ancient North Eurasian (ANE) related West Siberian Hunter-Gatherers (WSHG) originally lived in western Siberia. However, their genome is present with the genome associated with the Nganasans and makes up 1/3, and is present in all Finno-Ugric peoples, so if they spread from western Siberia, then only with the newly arrived Nganasan related genome.
Initially, to the west of the Urals except for the tundra, lived people genetically almost identical to the Corded Ware without any admixture from the Comb ceramics culture, and were the most related to the Mordvins of all Finno-Permians and were probably Indo-Europeans.
Article:
Genetic ancestry changes in Stone to Bronze Age transition in the East European plain
The change in the genome occurred with the penetration of the Nganasan component with an admixture from WSHG. It was then that the Finno-Permic languages probably penetrated there.
Genetics shows that both the Finno-Saami and the Finns of the Volga-Oka, unlike the rest of the Finno-Permians, had an admixture from Comb ceramics culture, apparently geneticaly identical to the Kola BA, unlike the rest of the Finno-Permians, which indicates the distribution of the Finno-Saami and the Finns of the Volgo-Oka from the tundra of Europe, and if they came from there, then their relatives, the rest of the Finno-Permians, also came from there.
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Genetic admixture and language shift in the medieval Volga-Oka interfluve
@@The_Geographer_Mapshey, next Time make Germanic peoples!!! 🔥🔥🔥 +1 like & sub
You are confusing/mixing haplogroup N with the Uralic ethno-linguistic group
@@VictorLdVS Are you saying the haplogroup N people, whose modern descendants are highly associated with Uralic speakers, did not bring proto-Uralic (or its unknown ancestor language) to Europe/ Western Eurasia?
The Southern lands were inhabited by Indo-Europeans (Caucasoid pastoralists)
Uralics filled a biological niche suited to the tundra forest, not forest steppe or steppe
For what I know there are three disputed homeland locations for Uralic people. The more accepted is on the Kama river west of the Urals, the secondth in west syberia and the last in central asia between caspian and aral seas. I never heard about this one depicted here
This map uses genetic data, not just linguistic and archaeological data.
It all depends on which genetic source we choose. I preferred to choose an East Eurasian source called "Siberian". The Nganasans have a maximum of this component (96%), so we can assume that the Uralic homeland was located near the Nganasans.
An alternative source could be the West Siberian hunter-gatherers (WSHG) who lived in western Siberia and Central Asia, but it is less significant than the Siberian component among the Uralic peoples. In addition, the Kets are linguistically probable descendants of WSHG, at least genetics shows the absence of other sources of this language.
In the Kama river were originally present culture of Comb ceramics (Garino-Bor), a component of which is present only among the Sami and Balto-Finns, but not among any other Uralic peoples, and the peoples of Comb ceramics also spoke not in the Uralic languages, but in Dené-Caucasian languages as shown by hydronyms in Russia and the Paleo-Laplandic language, so the homeland of the Uralic peoples there is doubtful.
@@The_Geographer_Maps You have been clear, thanks for explaination
If you put the Uralic homeland to very north Asia, how can you explain loanwords from proto indo European before 2000 BC, and how can they use animal husbandry and small farming in the taiga/tundra where the climate is freezing. There should be words for animal and stuffs for that climate as an Eskimo has. Choosing a genetic ancestry which is reaching 90% in a tribe that is living far away from the proto European loanwords is very risky and wrong. It is true for the Ket/Yenisei people too. They have 90% Q haplogroup but they are connected to the Na-Dene people and/or to the Chinese people (C haplogroup and O haplogroup). Please consider population bottlenecks and founding fathers and changing languages, because they are the real answers for some problems. There isn’t any dene-Caucasian or any other macro groups, yet. MOST of the Uralic linguists locate the proto Uralic urheimat to the Kama river before 2000 BC. And there is almost no y-haplogroup N in that time in Europe. I know that the last source you used from Hungary they said that the Hungarian conquerers common people in the lowest level of the hierarchy has some N haplogroup and they said something about it, but please use the source of the linguists FIRST and the archaeologists and archegeneticists SECOND. There is no connection between Uralic and Turkic languages nor any other Asian languages.
@@fanstargateiloveuniverse Agreed, for what I know about genetics, its almost sure that Uralians people are born in the EHG ancestry cluster in Eastern Europe, or West Siberia
@@fanstargateiloveuniverse My map shows, among other things, the time and the sequence of divergense in the languages of the Uralic peoples. Linguistics shows that the Somoyedic languages are the most ancient branch of the Uralic languages, and the Samoyedic languages are located in the most northeastern area of the Uralic languages in the most difficult climatic conditions.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uralic_languages#Honkola,_et_al._(2013)
There are also suggestions that the Yukaghir language has some connection with Proto-Uralic. By the way, the Turks during the time of the Proto-Uralians lived at best only somewhere in Mongolia.
Proto-Indo-European borrowings from Proto-Uralians may well come from the West Siberian hunter-gatherers (WSHG), of which even the Nganasans have an admixture as shown in your favorite chart in my community.
Animal husbandry appeared among the northern Uralic peoples quite late, at the turn of the era, apparently from the Iranian or Turkic nomads or from the Tungus. Agriculture did come to them from the Russians.
I prefer not to use Y-chromosomes due to their imprecision, but to use genetic PCA.
www.researchgate.net/publication/329218949/figure/fig3/AS:958954779717633@1605644044375/PCA-and-ADMIXTURE-analysis-a-PCA-plot-of-113-Modern-Eurasian-populations-with.png
And it is not enough to talk here about the small number of people that belonged to the source of the Uralic language, as I am ready to remind you who brought the Indo-European language to modern Indians. The same pastoralists of the Hungarian conquerors were an absolute minority in front of the agricultural local majority, and yet they now speak the Hungarian language.
I love this video. Incredible, informative graphic on the history of these beautiful cultures with music to match. It doesn't get much better than this 🤍
Very nice next history of semetic peoples/percentage of proto-semetic ancestry every year
the Hungarian part is kinda wrong, since when they entered the Carpathians, a few time after that and it was mostly a Hungarian basin, for example Transylvania was almost fully Hungarian (aside from German) until the 13th century, and after that they were gradually vanishing until it looked like how in the video
only in your head . The video is right Hungarians came around 900 and was never mostly Hungarian basin because they found there the majority made by Vlach and Slavs
Please do austronesian and/or austroasiatic next if you could 🙏🙏
Can you do history of italic, celtic and germanic peoples?
Excited will be fun
The most recent studies say that proto uralic was spoken in southern and central siberia not north siberia
Very interesting video, because I call myself as a linguist for two reasons, 1. I know many languages (Finnish (Uralic language) is my native language), and 2. I study languages, especially their relations with other foreign languages.
Great video, i have two small complaints
1) Hungarian‘s historical range included the entire carpathian basin after our migration to it in 895. The image you used shows modern distribution, which is significantly reduced from historical distribution, due to factors i will discuss in the next point
2) From very early on, you showed Hungarian as having 0% Uralic DNA, which also doesn’t track with reality. Studies have shown that up until the turkish invasion in the 1400-1500s, when the country became a constant battleground for hundreds of years, Hungarians had a plurality of Uralic DNA. The conscription by both sides, raiding and looting, and the consequent depopulation, followed by german/austrian colonialism and the bringing-in of foreign settlers (croatians in burgenland, czechs in the northern carpathians, serbs in vojvodina, etc. lead to the hungarian DNA becoming much more ‚european‘.
If you ever make a future version, i hope you can fix these errors. Greetings from Hungary!
Even Szekely Hungarians only have something like 5-10% Ugric ancestry, i severely doubt it was much different in Hungary.
@@nsk370 a lot changed in the over the last 1000 years. It was indeed different back then.
Much of this comment is the typical Hungarian propaganda. Of course that all of your land was 100% pure magyar 100% pure uralic until evil migrants colonized your land. Always the same story
@@nsk370székelys in particular are believed to come from magyarized turkics if I'm not wrong. Those are specially not uralic
4:10 the chud peoples💀
IT’S SO FUCKING OVER
It's begun
vs Chad chadians
💀
Interestingly, the Russians with partial Uralic ancestry shown here could've been called Pomors, who were the sailers and other merchants who settled the north.
In any case, none of these languages developed in Mainland Europe. Despite the fact that the Finns and Saami have always bordered Europe and Asia both. Which is why they're considered European, but their language does not develop in European mainland.
This is 100% impossible. If it was true the most North Eastern Finno-Ugres wouldn't have Aryan borrowings at all. But they exists. My point is Finno-Ugres moved from ~Omsk towards Ufa-Perm-Kazan around 2400-2309 BC. (Earlier they were near Krasnoyarsk-Irkutsk - and this is why some subsequent Turkic tribes (Saha) obtained N haplogroup). There they met some of Sintashta people - and Aryanization become started. Then from there they expanded in all Northern directions: to North-East (Nganasans, Nenets, then Khants, Mansis), to North (Komis, Udmurts), to North North West (Saamis), to North West (Finns, Karelians, Estonians, then Meschera, Mari), to West North West (Mordvinians). They reached Estonia only in 700-600 BCE.
Could you release a video overlapping your Uralic, Turkic, and Indo-European videos? I'd love to see how the migrations interact.
Я наверное открою для тебя тайну, но это делал не он!😂
Он просто украл чужую работу, и присвоил её себе!
A good video with a sad ending as the music faded and so did the ethnic peoples of Siberia.😢
It seems the author forgot that Hungarians pretty long time lived just near and partly at the Caucasus..
Where do you get this data from?
Savard Hungary had literal remnants of Hungarians in that region. Not to mention the many mentions of Levédia.@@The_Geographer_Maps
I use common historical sources as well as just logic. Mentions of Levedia as a place and of the Hungarian migration are at least in "De Administrando Imperio" by Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus, X century.. I really didn't study well the archeological sources on this subject, but if there are lack of them, I believe it is because of a little interest in them.. And it also comes from the fact that Alans(hun. Jasz) were tribe that migrated with Hungarians. And Alans are inhabitants of areas near and in Caucasus. So, they could make a stable union with them only interacting closely.. The same could be said about Avars. I also forgot to mention that this migration to Balkans is also described in Kievan Rus' "letopis", so it's really good documented..
Very nice video!
A lot of Hungarians do have a bit of uralic ancestry along with turkic and caucasian quite often.
Sino Tibetan next? It's been said that the Hans and Tibetic people don't carry much similar genes
Could you do a video on the European colonization of the Americas?
I will have to if I make maps of the history of the peoples of Western Europe
@@The_Geographer_MapsIMO, as an American instead of using terms like “German-American” I would use terms like “Midwestern White American”, or Appalachian White American, Black American, New England White American
@@ganglosaxon1488 that makes zero sense in terms of genetics and ancestry, though
interesting
Nice video as always
Do video about semitic people
Allahu Akbar
What are the Sum, Yem and Chud peoples that can be seen in Finland at 4:24 ? Never heard of them and can't find anything on Google
Sum is russian for suomi and yem for häme. Weird choice since there are english names for these
Sum and Yem are Finnish tribes described in the Novgorod chronicles and their wars with them in the 11th/12th/13th centuries. Chud on the other hand is the term used by Slavic speakers to refer to Baltic Finnic groups, but it eventually went on to mean Finnic people in a specific area.
Not correctly though because Proto-Finnic already exists over 4000+ years
The Hungarians still have Uralic ancestry tho…
@@AttilaRozsahegyi Azok a Hunok, de mi Magyarok egy külön nép vagyunk. De annyiban igazad van hogy a Magyaroknak több török genetikai maradványa van mint a Finn-Ugor, de csak azért mert a Hunok későbbi nemzedékei már a Kárpát medencében voltak amikor megérkeztek a Ugor Magyarok és utána az ottani népek öszekeveredtek az Onogur többségel, vagyis az azért van. De te mit gondolsz?
👍🏻Ancestry cannot be changed
i’m Chuvash, it’s giving ☯️. Because we have more Finno-Ugric genetics but our language is in Turkic Oghur branch LoL
Hungaryans 👁️👄👁️
@@hplusplus9850 sen kimlerdensin
@@hplusplus9850 şintok ırkı🐸
@@hplusplus9850 tokatlı canavar mıydı neydi o musun
@Jaswolfy you're replying to turks tho
@@dorkinsful Hungayrians
But according to Professor Mario Alinei and Michelangelo Naddeo, they originated in Europe and spread eastwards across the steppe, from where they influenced the small peoples of the north. However, the Yamnaya culture population does indeed have a North Asian gene (ANE).
Any idea why Proto-Uralic and Proto-Dravidian number four is identical? Can it be mere coincidence?
It is a coincidence lol and even if it were to be real we wouldnt know since the common denominator would have to be over 10 thousand years ago meaning we have no actual way of testing its validity regardless.
I think the Sami language spread from the south-east as a lingua franca for trade, but I don't think it was a migration of people. Rather the ancestors of the Sami were halfway south into Sweden already when the ice started melting inland, not in the 17th century as the map shows.
Although, I suppose the "proto-uralic genes" could have reached that indigenous population like how your map shows.
In Scandinavia, the ice melted in 7000 BC, then the race for Scandinavia began between EHG from the east and WHG from the south of Scandinavia. This gave rise to SHG standing between EHG and WHG. Later, Comb ceramics people settled in northern Scandinavia. Apparently they brought the Paleo-Laplandic language. in the Bronze Age, people of East Eurasian origin who spoke Uralic languages reached Scandinavia. This created a population of Bolshoy Oleni Ostrov who stood between the Comb ceramics people and the East Eurasians, although they still spoke Paleo-Laplandic. The Uralic people also reached southern Finland and created the Proto-Saami language. They were genetically identical to modern Eastern Finns.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pre-Finno-Ugric.png
In 400 CE, the proto-Sámi began to move north, assimilating the Paleo-Laplanders. This created a Saami of northern scandinavia, with a peak of Paleo-Laplandic ancestry in the Saami of northern Finland.
www.researchgate.net/publication/329218949/figure/fig3/AS:958954779717633@1605644044375/PCA-and-ADMIXTURE-analysis-a-PCA-plot-of-113-Modern-Eurasian-populations-with.png
Since apparently the Swedes and Norwegians are genetically related to the Eastern Finns than to the modern Sami, it can be assumed that initially the Sami of Sweden and Norway were geneticaly identical to the modern Eastern Finns.
i.imgur.com/bYBQ9cy.png
Presumably in the 16th century, the Finnish Sami began to settle mainland Sweden and Norway, spreading an increased Paleo-Laplandic ancestry.
@@The_Geographer_Maps your assumption about the Saami are wrong, the levänluhta samples make this clear, being practically identical to modern Saami people.
@@mky3039 It's hard to explain without a PCA lineup, but Levanluhta, unlike the Saami, has less hunter-gatherer ancestry, and stand in a wedge from Bolshoy Oleni Ostrov not to the Eastern Finns like the Saami, but to the Eastern Slavs. In other respects, geneticaly, a similar wedge went from the Eastern Finns to the Eastern Slavs in Ingria and Estonia of the same time.
i.imgur.com/juVS3BN.png
compvar-workshop.readthedocs.io/en/latest/_images/pcaAllEurasia.png
@@The_Geographer_Maps If you have an instagram or something where we could send each other pictures it would be much easier to discuss this.
arent the proto uralians placed too far in the north?
l am nenets
Ого, а я Русский. А ты оленевод?
Many inaccuracies in the maps of supposed ancestry
Which for example?
Haven't northern Swedes and Norwegians Sami admixture?
Yes, they have an Saami admixture, but they have less than 5% of Proto-Uralic ancestry, and the map does not show non-Uralic peoples with have less than 5% of Proto-Uralic ancestry. This is also why central and southern Russians are not shown.
I wish they had gone somewhere warmer.
Western Scythians were Proto-Hungarian. Black Sea region was dominated by Uralic people since the beginning of the written history.
Western Scythians were Eastern Iranic, Proto-Hungarians lived further north, probably around Bashkortostan
Very good video would be cool with Germans
Lmao Hungary got whitewashed ToT
Nah slovakia got uralicwashed. Ppl will go after the rare exception with maybe 1% to 5% in very rare cases and claim to be asian or turkic. Its silly. We are euros and slavs
Chud was a name used only by Russians and for all Finnic peoples. The Aesti were Baltic, not Finnic/Uralic.
The first exact name of the Estonians was the Russian name "Chud" to which the ancestors of the Votians also belonged, but only they were called by that name. The names of the peoples Sum, Yem and Ves also come from the Russian chronicles and they are not called Chud. There was also the Chud Zavolochskaya people, but in the annals where the name Chud comes from, Chud and Chud Zavolochskaya are called as different peoples. It is likely that Votians and Estonians were still one people in those days. No other names of Estonians of those times are known, therefore the name "Chud" is used.
"Aesti" was also an egzonym known from the Romans and apparently belonged to the Balts, but the Germans who came to the Baltics during the Crusades redirected this name to the Estonians.
True, but they also called the Finno-Ugrians as "Chud beloglazaya" (white-eyed Chud) because of the light eyes of most Finno-Ugrians (espeially Finno group). It is true notice about eyes color till today!.. Most Finno-Ugrians of Volga-Urals have gray or alike color or green eyes.
@@The_Geographer_Maps No, the name "Chud" was used for all Finnic peoples and only later for Estonians. Yet back then it was a name used in Russian ONLY. It's quite an insulting term and Estonians generally don't like it.
Lol. Hungarians called fino ugaric people but show only less than 5 percent finno-uralic DNA, while russian, a slavic people, have more than 10 percent
You should use a different editing program, the frames are almost always blurred.
Can you make a video about germanic spread and their ancestrality
Russians since 1215 CE? Any doc proof? Certainly not in use such a word as russians in that area at that time ..
Yeah it is strange that he kept the "Aesti" for Estonians for such a long time on the map but then put "Russians" right away as if that word was used at the time (it was not).
Rusʼ = Ukraine
Русь (Росия) всегда была связана с Украиной и украинцами, а не с финно-уграми.
Лишь в 18 веке название Россия стало употребляться и для Московии, где коренное население было финно-угорским. Так появилось название "великоросы", а в 20 веке его заменило "русские". "Россияне" - термин, придуманный Ельциным с образованием Рф.
Hungarian map is wrong. Territory of it has been made smaller just during last century.
you were smaller from the biginning
Instead of monotonous, bloated Russia, there could be a bunch of equal Finno-Ugric republics in the huge Ural Union or Confederation, and also separate Caucasian and Turkic countries. There would be enormous diversity, some of which has already been lost forever. RIP 😢
Ну так они все есть!😂
А вот если бы не было России, давно бы из них сделали племена Тутси!
А, ты не знаешь кто это такие!?
Ну так открой книжку, да почитай?😂
Да, кстати, финны претендуют на всю северную территорию России, Архангельску, Мурманскую, Карелию, Коми, в общем до уральских гор!
И если бы не было России, как минимум этих народов, а по сути одно и тоже даже с финнами, давно бы не существовало!😂
Так что лечись блаженный!
Do semitic people
А чья ДНК преобладает у Финнов?
У меня на канале в сообществе показываются народы ассимилированные Прауральцами. Можете посмотреть.
Доминирующей ДНК у Финнов является происходящей от Индоевропейской культуры Текстильной керамики раскинутой с раннего бронзового века по всему восточному берегу Балтийского моря. Её генетическими потомками являются Прибалты и Балто-Финны. Именно они имеют самый высокий процент происхождения от европейских мезолитических охотников-собирателей.
Если мы копнём глубже, то западных Финнов можно смоделировать состоящими на 38% от Праиндоевропейцев Ямной культуры, 1% от Древних Северных Евразийцев, 20% Восточно-Европейских охотников-собирателей, 18% Западно-Европейских охотников-собирателей, 16% Раннеевропейских земледельцев, 2% Кавказских охотников-собирателей и на 5% от Прауральцев.
@@The_Geographer_Maps А сколько финнов взяли для исследования, 10 и все из Санкт-Петербурга? Всё равно результат будет N. ))) У финнов преобладающая гаплогруппа N, индоевропейцы здесь ни при чём, или они что, сразу со всех направлений мигрировали, с севера, юга, востока? ))
@StrangerSpace haplogroups don't determine a people's genetic make-up. Yes finns mostly have a Uralic Y dna paternal haplogroup but they also mostly have a european mitochondrial haplogroup.
The corded ware indo europeans were in finland first but then were subjugated and colonized by Uralic invaders that imposed their uralic language and culture upon the natives. But the uralics did not replace the native population so over time the native baltic ancestry returned to prominence
Since Russian is part of the Indo European Balto Slavic language family, I don't understand why its lumped in with the Uralic family.
Because it showed who came in to kill thoese uralic people and to split uralic people in half with the other ones left in west and other ones in the east.
The map is about Proto-Uralic ancestry among Uralic and non-Uralic speakers alike.
Cause its genetics not language. Northern russians are slavic and uralic while moscovians are slavic
It's wrong. It just doesnt show the well known contact between uralic and indo-aryan peoples around 2750 BCE.
yeniseians and sakhas can also be included
why estonians and finns so little uralic ancestry? that cant be true. wouldnt that mean that we finnics then arent actually descended from proto uralics at all
@TheLuthum finnic are uralic. you mean samoyedic and finno ugric. and yeah i would expect that whole thing with scandinavians intermixing, but finns maintained alot of dna
Because the reference population is ngasans who are siperian and nobody close to actual proto-uralics
@@user-ce6iy2nw5owhat population should be used?
Lol I found you again, truth hurts, sorry you had to find out that your people are overwhelmingly european
Lol i found you again :) i guess the truth hurts, sorry you had to find out that your people are still almost entirely ethnic europeans despite the uralic colonization of the baltics and finland
Shit, propaganda.
All those goes west much earlier.
No they did not, there is no genetic evidence showing uralic peoples in the baltics/finland more than 3500 years ago. They invaded and colonized the native baltic populations
complete bullshit
Turkic C dna haploupgroup please. Liaoning
I am not making a map about the distribution of haplogroup C, but I am making a map about the distribution of the Proto-Turkic genome in percentage of ancestry.
@@The_Geographer_Maps
Do you include Mongolian, Buryat, Tajik, Oirat, Adyghe, Kabardin, Abkhaz etc., who have around 20-60% medieval Turkic blood , although they are not Turkic.
@@The_Geographer_Maps Also, the Proto-Turks formed in the Altai Mountains and Mongolia around 3000 BC. What culture or population did you use for the Proto-Turkic?
@@papazataklaattiranimam Of course, already did! Although I’m not sure about the Abkhaz and Adyghe
@@The_Geographer_Maps They have like 15% Turkic blood due to settlements of Turkic tribes in Caucasus like Cumans and Kipchaks
I have seen sources putting the uralic homeland near the sayan mountains in the russian mongolia border region.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayan_Mountains
The Uralic peoples, and especially the Nganasans, have a unique Siberian East Eurasian origin. The ancient and modern peoples of the Sayans and Baikal, and even the American Indians, have an additional East Asian ancestry to the Siberian, unlike the Uralic peoples
i.imgur.com/l9HRGm5.jpeg
www.researchgate.net/publication/329218949/figure/fig3/AS:958954779717633@1605644044375/PCA-and-ADMIXTURE-analysis-a-PCA-plot-of-113-Modern-Eurasian-populations-with.png
This suggests that the Proto-Uralians are the descendants of the first Eastern Eurasians who settled Siberia after the last glacial maximum.
@@The_Geographer_Maps Are they related to the Ancient Paleo-Siberian, or the Neo-Siberians?
@@The_Geographer_Maps why would it suggest that, moron? Indo-europeans having BMAC admixture suggests that the indeo-european homeland was neolithic Iran?