My personal taste aside she looked so much happier and excited in first two gowns. In last two dresses she looked like someone had turned off the light inside her. I’m glad she did not succumb to outside pressure just to please everyone else.
I think that's why she has tried on so many dresses already: her style is sexy & flashy, which no one else likes. She needs to just go w/ what she wants because her family & friends aren't going to support her style. But this is also difficult because she's not paying for the dress 🤷
@@Janexcalibur well it's not her who paid for the dress.so she had to suck it up & go with it.unless she's paying it by herself then there's lots of freedom.the westerners commenting here should get that asian families are diff than theirs.
"Taste" is a relative term. She wanted to look ultra-sexy for her wedding and does not want to understand that that violates her parents' and friends' sense of appropriate taste. They want her dressed like a person beginning a responsible relationship and not like a pole dancer in Vegas.
I think the issue is that it's inappropriate for the venue. If she was getting married at a reception hall or a park then it wouldn't matter. Her parents are also from a country where women have to cover their knees and shoulders to go to the shops
in the end it just felt like she was settling for dresses to appease her family instead of a dress she actually fell in love with 🙃🙃 this could’ve easily been fixed with her buying 2 dresses, especially considering her budget
A good consultant would have found a gown that matched her desire for sparkle and princess and yet satisfied her parents' requirements that it be appropriate for a church wedding. As the wedding is being held overseas, in a more conservative country, this is not optional. This consultant heard 'sexy' and brought out a succession of Panina gowns...a designer known to be the least appropriate for church weddings on the market. I was disgusted with the see through gown. Even the bride to be knew better than to show it to her parents. My solution would be either purchase 2 gowns near or under budget...1 for church, the other for the reception, or use a demi jacket as a shoulder cover for a gown that's more revealing. Simple solutions...smh.
"It's very difficult to work with a bride who wants what she wants no matter what the entourage says." No, this is exactly what brides are supposed to do but most of them are not doing it.
She was getting married in Indonesia, in a church. Indonesia is very, very conservative. She already decided that her wedding dress was to be more conservative when she decided on the venue and let her father pay for a $10,000 dress. If she doesn't like that, she can change all her other choices. She sounds very entitled. She understands her parents, her culture, and her church. Yet she thinks she can go against all of them to get the most blinged-out, sexy dress in the store. An expensive one even, that will be free to her. Sorry, but life isn't like that. Her parents and entourage know what kind of dress will be acceptable for HER choice of wedding venue, and she will not listen. If you expect her parents to by ok with and pay for and expensive dress that will make them shunned in their home country, you are mistaken.
@@catladyfromky4142 parents will hardly be shunned.....they might have expected this when they sent their daughter off to study and live in a western country. If they were so conservative they should have kept her in their own country. And in her culture its the parenrs who buy the dress, so theyre not doing her any special favours by footing the bill....since we are talking about culture, those big weddings are as much for the parents to show off as about making their daughter happy. But they are using that as a way to control her choices and that is so sad. I'm speaking as an Asian mom of 2 daughters who study in the West.
@@catladyfromky4142 I agree. And she kept saying "oh you want me to cover this?" as if she didn't already know that. 🙄 You can't always have your cake and eat it too, but it seems like that's exactly what she expected, and for everyone to give in to what she wanted. She should've just gotten married in the US and paid for her own dress if she wanted this flashy, 'sexy' look.
I would like to point out, which they rarely seem to do on these shows, is suggest that any see-through dress can be LINED. If the first two dresses had a liner I think they would’ve been fine with maybe a shrug for the ceremony and church. At least that is what I would have suggested as a sales woman
After 5 appointments, I'd encourage the bride to get whatever she liked! She seemed open to a lot of dresses, not picky, so I'm guessing she's had a pushy entourage who kept talking her out of things.
Sorry, not possible. She was getting married in a church in Indonesia. With 600 Indonesian guests. If she changed the venue, bought her own tacky $10,000 dress, or even wanted to estrange herself from all her relatives and town in Indonesia, she could get the sexy dress. But she wants everyone else (including the Church in Indonesia) to change their standards. Not. Going. To. Happen.
Her entourage wasn't pushy at all. Americans have the distasteful habit of ignoring the cultural and religious practices of people outside of the mainstream culture of the USA. The wedding is being held in a church in a conservative country. What does the Consultant do? Ignore the bride's request to find a middle of the road gown that would satisfy both herself and her parents. It's doable, but his Consultant brings out a succession of low cut, boob-revealing dresses, one of them SEE THROUGH!!! Ridiculous. Kleinfeld and the consultant deserved to miss that sale and commission!
@@catladyfromky4142 Exactly. I was infuriated with the behavior of the consultant here. So disrespectful. When she put the bride to be in that see through dress, I was so done with her. I felt that the consultant was completely discounting the family's culture and religious values.
@@catladyfromky4142Hello, she's had 5 appointments at Klieinfeld! It's not just about this one. I understand that she needs to please her family and church, but that should be possible within 5 appointments. I agree with the others that the consultant did a bad job though.
She can't buy whatever she wants because her father is paying just like in many Asian households. And Asian culture tends to defer to the opinions of parents as well. She can choose to pay for the dress and stand her ground if she likes.
I could see she did not love that dress and was worried she was going to say yes when she had the veil and parents on call liking it. Good she stuck to her opinion. The dress looked good on her though.
the kleinfeld episodes are basically just "won't somebody PLEASE buy these $10,000 lingerie contraptions by pnina?!" that lady needs to be out of a job YESTERDAY, who the hell even buys her dresses?
@dietotaku Apparently some people like Pnina's dresses, since she is still in business. If you haven't noticed, brides in other cultures sometimes have very sexy gowns with lots of bling. And she is from the ME, where that is very popular. Just because you (and I) don't like those dresses doesn't mean that no one else does. That is a good thing, since there are tons of other designers for you and I to pick from. It's a big bridal gown world.
Even after a budget of $10k they still managed to showed her a dress above her budget!! And they still couldn't get her a dress!!! Wow classic Kleinfield 🙃
Typical of this bridal boutique. I was annoyed with Paula for showing this bride another see-through bodice dress after the first one was vetoed. I know the bride wanted something "sexy" ie tacky and cheap looking but Paula should have shown her classy sexy dresses.
Gok and Lancashire do NOT have the dresses she would like. She wants Swarovski crystals and high-end designer. I don't understand why you think that Gok can magically conjure up a dress like that. Considering Kleinfeld has more dresses than Lancashire (and at the higher price point she wants), she would NOT be happy there. Besides, she has no need for his therapeutic touch.
I can tell you why - trying on an already made dress makes all the difference. You can like a certain style - maybe even design it with the designer for you personally. But when it is made, it may not look or FEEL right at all! I have seen that happen!🥺
I think she should go to a designer who can design a 2-piece dress with alternate bodices. One is blinged out with a lower-cut sweetheart, and another more understated for Church. Because it appears as though neither the parents nor the bride want to change their opinions for what she should wear.
She needed two dresses. One for the ceremony and a party dress.. both of which could be white. That must be a mystery to Kleinfeld. The average UA-cam watcher could have solved this.
kleinfeld is happy to sell 2 dresses to a bride, but you have to say the magic words: "unlimited budget." that way they can sell you TWO $10,000 dresses instead of just one. no way in hell are they showing a bride with a $10k budget the $3k dresses, no matter how many she needs for the big day.
I think the problem is that this bride would not be happy with any dress that is less expensive than the $10,000 budget. She wants flashy and show-stopping. A $3,000 dress would not suffice. I really don't think the consultant is thinking about the commission. They sell expensive dresses all day long, and if the bride doesn't say "yes" there is no commission in the first place. Their first consideration is the bride. And this bride wants EXPENSIVE. (And too trashy for a church wedding IMO.) Lots of people work on commission. Waiters. Car salespeople. Their first consideration is to make the customer happy. Full stop. That is the only way they will make their money. Pushing the boundaries only to make another $100 would not be worth it, especially since the appointments are time-restrained.
Usually yes. If she was getting married in a church in America it would be a great idea. But she is getting married in Indonesia. Even not in the church society is very conservative. Those sexy gowns would still upset a lot of people and create a lot of scandal.
Hello from Indonesia! She is definitely a crazy Rich Asian from Indonesia. The budget is way beyond for regular Indonesian. With her budget, she can have a customized dress made.
As a Southeast Asian myself, I know she comes from a rich and influential family just learning of her guests and the price tag her parents are ready to fork out. It is the same in my country where the rich and influential celebrate weddings and even special birthdays (like the 18th) lavishly.
Why don’t people realize that the sheer corsets can be lined?? The 2nd dress was perfect for her, just add the lining. BUT, since she has such a big budget why not get 2 dresses? Something for the church and then sexy for the reception.
love how the parents say "the pnina is too sexy for church" so they pull ANOTHER pnina that's fucking SEE-THROUGH. honestly if you're getting married in a church just skip the pnina rack entirely, those dresses are for strip club weddings. they heard a 5-figure budget and just went straight for the overpriced pnina rack. they could have put her in valencia by lazaro for $4k, it's covered in gold foil accents which is really different and flashy but not skanky.
On the other hand, the bride has already been there four times and even Kleinfelds is probably running low on options that might please both the bride and her parents. I wish we could have seen a little retrospective of what gowns she had rejected previously--for all we know, she had already gone through the Lazaro designs (not tried all of them on but tried on a few and rejected the others without trying on). The consultant may also have been trying the shock tactic on the parents--show them a couple really revealing gowns, so that they would be more likely to approve something less revealing but more conservative than the first two gowns.
I totally get your comment. But most see-through dresses can come with a detachable panel for more modest brides. I personally don't understand why a bride would choose on of these see-through dresses and then cover up what makes the dress stand out, but many do. And this bride was wanting more extravagant type of sexy dresses that Pnina usually designs. And since Pnina is almost exclusive at Kleinfeld, I can see why the consultant would try another one of those, because the bride would not find it anywhere else. But I wanted them to try a Lazarro or maybe a Ian Stewart, because those also can be very elaborate and sexy, but in a more classy way. Too bad for the bride for not finding her dress.
@@catladyfromky4142 I think some parents may have been willing to say yes to a flesh toned underlayer but, ,mmmmm, not these parents. I think the consultant had figured out exactly what the bride wanted: Pnina! Not my taste, either, but if we all wanted the same thing, the world would be a boring place indeed. Makes me wonder if the bride is just trying to wear her parents down. Looked to me like she's also wearing her friends down as well. Five appointments! I have friends from high school (more than 50 years ago) and I gotta say, I wouldn't have been up for more than two, or maybe three, of those appointments. I can see a possible reason the bride doesn't appear to be considering a custom designed dress--my father comes from southeast Asia and it's very easy to find custom designed clothing. A dress from the US, on the other hand, is conspicuous consumption and high status.
@GrainneDhu The panels come in white so the "see-through" aspect is taken away. I think the parents did not like the flashy, sexy dresses with the low-cut bodice. The problem is that those are exactly what the bride wants. IMO, she needs 2 dresses that can accommodate both interests.
If she knows she needs her parents' approval, I don't see the point in trying on lots of dresses that don't fill their criteria. She should pay for it herself and get one she likes.
There’s a problem if the bride has had 5 appointments at the same bridal boutique but no luck. She clearly wants something shiny and showy but having a conservative entourage and parents don’t help - but it’s not insurmountable.
The bride wanted to try on those dresses. The "tacky" dresses were the ones she liked the best. Sexy, rhinestones and/or Swarovski crystals, etc. When the bride comes in and asks for a type of dress, the consultant usually tries to show her those. That is what she did. Only when the parents were adamant against the Pnina dresses did she go for the classier ones. But, as you notice, the bride didn't like those. She liked the "trashy" ones better. The only reason why she didn't "say yes" to those trashy ones is because her parents and entourage did not approve.
The problem is that her taste goes against the values of her culture. If she picks a sexy dress, she will scandalize the honor of her family, which is a big no no. She's in a no win situation. For a church wedding in a conservative culture, she must go with what her culture dictates or risk the reputation of her family. Asia has a collectivist mentality, i.e. the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the individual.
I just don't get why she couldn't cover up in a jacket (even from organza or something) or a bolero/cardigan or whatever really. Those straps on the last dress were hideous and those few centimeters of extra fabric aren't much more conservative than the previous one. The one with slit in the front was inappropriate yeah, but. And the see through they could've made adjustments/put fabric under it to not make it see through? They did that before. I loved the second to last dress though. With or without that cover-up. Too bad it wasn't her taste.
They both tacky, best for syrip show not church wedding, plus the outrageous cost over her budget AGAIN!! Sell, sell push these out the door pathetic method... Besides the poor gaudy dress design anyway period!
This is her 5th trip. They are running out of options. And she wants a showstopper with lots of "tacky" Swarovski crystals. And those aren't cheap. And she is a big girl. She could say no to trying it on. Why can't the consultant show her the dress so she can decide for herself? It is not a crime.
Totally agree. With her budget being so high, her need to impress her guests is heightened. And she wants a dress that her parents do not approve of. So, IMO, they need to work out a compromise before she goes back to any salon. More money for 2 dresses? Go to a dressmaker who can make a detachable bodice, one with bling and one without? But the issue is with her and her parents having different, totally conflicting views about what she should wear. Once they can decide how both needs can be met, she can look again.
The second dress looked beautiful on her, and I think a lining underneath the see through bodice would have met the more conservative requirements. I think she’s settling to appease her parents and peers.
If you want to do super sexy see 👀 through dresses don't get married in a church. There are ministers and priests that will refuse to perform the ceremony if the bride is scantily clad. I had a couple of brides who tried this and when they walked down the aisle the priest told them he could not perform the ceremony until she changed her cloths. The same thing with a couple of ministers. They were warned ahead of time about proper attire and as their consultant I tried to get them to wear the sexy dress for the reception but they didn't listen. They had to come back to the salon on their wedding day to find something suitable to wear. Don't embarrass yourself and your family.
So true. Especially in Indonesia, Africa, or the Philippines. Those Christians tend to be more conservative, and the parental approval is needed so much more.
@@LaurieAnnCurry yes actually I do know Indonesian culture very well. We both watched the same video so i understand what’s going on, plus I took a course on Indonesian studies at UCLA. Her parents are looking for her to be covered up and modest, she’s clearly trying to break away from that mold and be who she wants be. I’m not saying she’s being defiant towards her parents because she clearly wants their opinions as well. I’m just saying that shes young and more Americanized than her parents. Her fashion taste reflects more modern, glamorous dresses that have a little bit of sexual appeal. With that said, being at Klinefeld 5x and trying on 50 dresses is pretty ridiculous just to find a wedding dress. She’s wasting more on travel than on the actual dress.
I don't know if being less conservative means having good taste but her parents are the ones funding her wedding and she could have chosen a simple one in a garden with fewer guests so that she doesn't need to follow any rules given by the church.
The bride is not on the same page as her parents. She told the associate that her parents want something more conservative, but she kept bringing her bold, see-through (and tacky) dresses from Pnina. I loved the last two dresses, they were classy and beautiful. I wonder what she ended up wearing.
Every single dress was perfect on her. Her friends and parents are needlessly being too picky and stressing out the bride. It's her day and she has to wear the dress for like 12 hours and love it. 💔
If you are marrying in a church, respect the church. With a big budget she could afford 2 dresses, one simple and conservative for the church and the other one as flashy as she wants. The problem here is that she thinks her parents are the conservative ones, in reality her parents understand what works for a church and are constantly pointing that out, yet she wants them to love her dress as much as her when it is not about that at all.
Well thats what i dont understand She definitely likes dresses NOT suited for church WHICH IS FINE but she either has to give up in the church to get her dream dress or give up and buy a dress she kinda likes or just get a dress for chuch for the family and another one for after ( especially with her 10k budget )
My suspicion is that she is about to (or has already had depending on when this episode was filmed) have her parents' version of her wedding rather than her own. I.e. her parents want her to have a church wedding with 600 guests in Indonesia (does someone her age even know 600 people? Are her friends going to be able to fly to Indonesia for the ceremony?, etc.). So, I am unconvinced that she 'wants to' have a church wedding so much as her parents decided she is going to have a church wedding. Consequently, they have a different idea of what the dress should be. I suspect this difference of ideas on whose wedding it is is central to the bride's supposed indecisiveness and inability to commit to a dress. She clearly knows what she wants, she is just unable to have it. If the parents have that much say on the dress, my bet is that they are in charge of the whole of the rest of the wedding too.
Family is gonna do what family does, but I wish her friends had been more on *her* side rather than advocating for her parents. I'm glad she stuck to finding HER dress in the end, but it was kinda sad to watch her look at her friends so dejected like no one cared that she was happy, Note: the last dress with veil was gorgeous on her and I loved it, but again, it's gotta be her.
The problem is that her taste goes against the values of her culture. If she picks a sexy dress, she will scandalize the honor of her family, which is a big no no. She's in a no win situation. For a church wedding in a conservative culture, she must go with what her culture dictates or risk the reputation of her family. Asia has a collectivist mentality, i.e. the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the individual.
The friends are supporting he. If she feels so strongly to dress against her conservative parents and church she may as well jus pay for her dress and marry in different location.
Why do you write that? The dress this bride wanted was to be different and "show-stopping." Lancashire doesn't have what she wants. Especially considering her budget is so high. Lancashire does not have as many dresses as Kleinfeld, so the chance that she would find a dress with Gok when she couldn't find one here is slim to none. Kleinfeld has Pnina, dresses with rhinestones, actual dresses that cost $10,000, and more dresses period. Lancashire has none of those. I don't understand why so many of you get so emotionally bonded with Gok. Is it because every one of his episodes has a bride with some sort of disability or need for therapy? Every episode of every SYTTD has a plotline, and Gok's are usually to help heal a struggling bride. That is great, and I applaud that. But you also need to look at that as a reason for you to throw Gok onto this pedestal as some sort of bridal god. He is not. And no bride wanting what this bride wants would be happy with the selection at that salon.
@jodileamomoftwinsPLUS1 FYI, I don't copy and paste. I am just fed up with people who blindly think that Gok and Lancashire (where he has never actually been an employee) are perfect for every bride.
the funny part is that within a couple of days after the wedding, only the immediate family and wedding party will even remember what the dress looked like. Most wedding guests, when asked about the bridal dress, reply that it was pretty and that it was white. Brides obsess over so many details that nobody else remembers afterwards. What they do remember is if the food was terrible or cold, or both, if the music was too loud during dinner and if the centerpieces were obstructing the view of other people at their table.
With that budget, she can get 2 customized 'very expensive bridal designer' from Indonesia. She can have a modest one for ceremony and change to a sexier dress for the reception/party. But i must say, wearing a see through dress for church ceremony is too much.
We Americans have the distasteful habit of ignoring the cultural and religious practices of people outside of the "mainstream" culture of the USA. The wedding is being held in a church in Indonesia, a rather conservative country. What does the consultant do? Ignore the bride's request to find a gown that would satisfy both herself and her parents. It's doable, but his Consultant brings out a succession of low cut, boob-revealing dresses, one of them SEE THROUGH!!! The moment she mentioned "Panina" I knew it was a wrap! Ridiculously disrespectful. Kleinfeld and the consultant deserved to miss that sale and commission!
I really liked the last one that they all approved of. I felt like it was a good combination of the wow she wanted and the approval of her parents. I think she probably liked it more until her parents approved. She is so cute and has a cute figure. I hope she finds something they can all love.
The Comment section: “she should fly to Lancanshire and be styled by Gok! Ugh, no one respects the brides budget. At that budget just get a custom made dress! (Which would actually cost so much more with no guarantee on how it’s look on her’ Shame on blahblahblah!” Ugh, i swear everyone in the comment section these days is nothing but a robot, they almost all sound the same lol. Who cares as long as she was happy and found her dress? Its reality tv people, just enjoy the pretty dresses and the clips!
Yes. The BRIDE wanted the sexy dresses. The last dress was something everyone loved, but it wasn't sexy enough for her. So apparently they were more in tune with what the bride would have said "yes" to with the sexy ones. So, yes, they DID listen.
I feel like her friends weren't very aware that other places consider other levels of ornamentation tasteful. They were helping her find a dress for her parents, and for a wedding in America, but not for her or to help her be outstanding where her wedding will take place.
The wedding was to be in Indonesia. In a church. With over 600 Indonesian guests. Not in the US. And, in Indonesia, they are very religiously conservative and apply much emphasis to respecting one's elders. So apparently the entourage was needed to ensure that the bride kept all that in mind. Because all the dresses the bride wanted went against her parents, and she knew it. And the last dress had most, but not all of the things she wanted AND was loved by her parents and entourage. But she didn't want it. She wants her cake and to eat it too. That is not possible. She turned down a free (to her) $9000 dress. To me, the problem is her, not her entourage.
With such a generous budget, why did no one suggest two dresses; one more conservative for the church ceremony, and then one slinkier and sexier for the reception? That way she could please both her parents and then herself.
I loved how she looked in the first 2 dresses. She did too. Everybody need not have the same taste. What if the entourage didn't love the dress like her. After all it's her once in a lifetime thing. Just let her enjoy. Don't upset her with mean things. Let her be flashy, sexy etc on her wedding. It's HER wedding!! She doesn't have to compromise her happiness and choices for the sake of her friends/ family.
Simple solution, don't get married in a church if you hate the rules. Pick a venue where you can wear whatever you like. She doesn't seem to be religious anyway. 🙄
@@angrydonutface7420 So she should know how to compromise if she is not willing to stand her ground and I suspect she is the usual rich kid who gets an allowance from rich daddy which is usually the case in Southeast Asia and many parts of the world (I am Southeast Asian myself). A transparent lace bolero will do the trick.
Imagine being a fully grown woman and not be able to show your own skin. Just sad. Glad she got married to someone who’s nice to her. And she looked drop dead gorgeous in the first dress… Absolutely gorgeous
This is not about being mean. It's about Indonesian culture and their value system, which is not that of the west. You cannot judge something that you know nothing of. She's in a no win situation.
@@kp4911 I saw a grown woman who looked really happy in a beautiful dress who got told no by her mom and dad like she was a child … I don’t care what the circumstances are it’s sad.
@@themissmay I also saw a grown woman who was willing to let daddy foot the bill for the dress and the lavish wedding in Indonesia instead of putting her foot down, saying she won't need to be married inside a church (that is also conservative in many Western countries as a rule), and she will be pay for her own dress. And if she insists on wearing a revealing and sexy wedding dress, she will find out the hard way, and embarrassing at that, that no priest or pastor will marry her inside a church wearing something they forbid. She needs a sheer bolero to cover her arms and shoulders. As a Southeast Asian myself, I know the rules she needs to follow if she agrees to be married inside a church in Indonesia. If she doesn't like it, change the venue, but then again, daddy is paying. But she is doing her best to wear her parents down. I wonder who won LOL?
the veil and tiara do match the dress well but that skirt was so PLAIN! just a big ol' wad of tulle. they need to save the tulle for the underskirts and pull some ballgowns with head-to-toe bling. and i know they exist, they just probably aren't on the pnina-skank-stripper-zillionaire-tornai rack.
But she looked miserable in it, she wasn’t smiling and so people like you are narcissist who don’t focus on the brides face and their mouths and how they look, if they are not smiling or happy than do you think they would want to be your friend afterward if they got married in something she hated deeply?
She has a budget of 10,000$$$ that's huge. And you bring out dress 1200$$$ over budget. Then her family asks for modest dress. & You bring out dress that is so revealing. I have seen programs. Bride has only 1000$$. & got the most gorgeous dress.
She wanted details that are very expensive. Crystals, bodices with exposed corsets, and others that were "show stopper." All that screams high-end designer, and one cannot find that in a cheaper dress.
Actually the consultant not helping at all.. There are a lot dresses there, that sexy but still conservative and appropriate for wedding at the church..
No. The last dress was sexy but too conservative for her. She would not compromise on the tone of the sexiness, and she liked the sheer corsets or the low-cut necklines. Besides, she also would not compromise on the bling. The last dress had bling, but it did not have all the crystals she kept talking about. The problem is that she did not want to compromise at all. And it was her 5th time at the shop. So if the 5 different consultants could not find a dress she would buy, maybe the problem was not her parents, her entourage, the shop, or even the consultants.
They did provide her with more options. With the last one, everyone loved the dress but her. And she didn't buy it. So obviously she will not compromise on the sexiness and blingy details. She wanted the sexy ones, so they kept showing her those and tried to alter them to see if the parents would approve. To me, that is all that the consultant could do in order to make everyone happy. And the bride wanted everyone to be happy.
Or she's only trying to convince herself she wants to marry him. Most brides pick the first one they try on because they love it and can't wait to marry their fiance.
I don't even think a lining in her favorite dresses would have been sufficient for her parents, and I agree. Why couldn't she have added a light-weight "jacket" or shawl for the church and then remove it for the reception. Best of both worlds that way.
She must be very rich Btw How is it in Indonesia tho ? Do people really spend that much money on weddings ? Also I heard that most of the Asian families are way conservative than this one, is that true ? I’m just curious
@@The_Moving_finger_writes Yeah. There is a research saying that Indonesia is one of the most religious communities on earth. So, older generations, regardless of religion, are quite conservative. I am a Moslem. And I have never really seen anyone going to church with dress with hemline higher than knees. Whoever vacationing to our temples, the organizer will require them to wear traditional cover-ups. Because the Buddhists and Hinduists feel uncomfortable with tourists wearing shorts in their temples.
Of course she is. Her parents most probably sent her abroad to study and now they have a daughter with a "Westernized" outlook just by looking at her dress on this show and her preference for revealing wedding dresses. She acted just like many pampered rich kids in my Southeast Asian country that is not as conservative as Indonesia but will also frown on revealing wedding dresses inside a church.
I find it interesting that with the first dress the parents asked for more coverage - and all four dresses were very bare on top. Instead of changing it up with an illusion neckline.
None of them cared about her feelings. They are not the ones wearing the dress she is . She will remember her wedding as unhappy if she doesn't find her dream dress
A dress doesn't need to be see through to be sexy. She said she wanted something & they showed her see through dresses & ball gown dresses only . I dont understand why she would go 5 times to the same salon either .. if she kept leaving empty handed .
Kleinfeld has the biggest selection in the US. IDK if there is another salon in the world with a larger inventory, but I am sure she probably looked into it.
In our culture, true. But in other cultures, her dresses work well. Besides, some people like Swarovski crystals, sheer corsets, and sex for their wedding. If they have the money, why not?
Inappropriate for a church wedding, in my own opinion but are fine with garden or beach weddings but I never did like her revealing wedding dresses since I lean more conservative.
If you need to be sexy, then get 2 gowns - conservative shoulders covered for church, see thru, slinky for reception. Nothing wrong with following church tradition/rules & listening to your parents, esp. If they are paying.
this episode in particular was funny to me, the narrator in a concerned serious voice "she continues to try on sexy dresses" and her nasally entourage all at once speaking.
We should always remember that there’s such a thing as cultural component and it’s perfectly ok to have loooots of bling in many cultures. You kinda grow up with a certain image in your head. So why does the bride’s entourage keep talking about “classier” or “too much sparkle” is truly beyond me. Let her choose whatever she’s been dreaming of!
Since she didn’t like the dress… I’m so glad she stood her ground and didn’t accept something she really didn’t love, just to please everyone else. After all, it’s HER wedding dress… not the crowds or bridesmaids…
and she will not have a wedding dress unless rich daddy and mommy agrees....I am Southeast Asian myself and this rich kid is doing her best to wear her parents down. She will find out the hard way that she can't get married in church in a revealing wedding gown. She has been abroad for far too long and had forgotten her cultural traditions. Imagine if she were a Muslim Indonesian!
I could not believe that after the first dress was too much for her parents the next dress they put her in was see-through. Unbelievable. Trying on that dress was a total waste of time
First of all, know your venue. If it's in a church, yes, that should be a consideration in choosing a dress. But overall, im not satisfied with the dresses they made her wear anyway
"Hi, whats your budget like? Oh 10k? Great... let me show you something thats 11.3k ... k? " EVERY damn bride that goes to Kleinfelds NEEDS to say their budget is like 1k less than what it actually is... for pity sake it annoys the shit out of me.
Stephanie, your wedding is in another country. Yes, all the dresses were amazing 🤩. However, your wedding is being paid(I assume by your parents). The last dress was elegant. Flashy is sometimes trashy. You have to decide if trashy would even be acceptable to your culture. Your parents appear to be lovely people. Good luck with your decision. Unfortunately, society specially in other cultures are hard to satisfy. I come from another country and yes, I had to compromise. However, 5 years later we moved back home for work. We I was received with respect. You know what I mean.
She is marrying in a church in Indonesia. Which is probably very conservative. She needs to pick which is more important to her - her dress or her location. You want a conservative group of 600 people in a culture that puts a lot of emphasis into respecting one's elders to change for her. Not going to happen.
I didn't know you had to pay for an appointment I guess it makes sense you are taking their time. I found a beautiful evening gown that could be used for a wedding at saks off 5th for $200.
Stephanie either doesn't know the difference between tacky & classy, or isn't particularly excited to be marrying the man of her dreams. Which is most important to you Stephanie? The third dress was absolutely stunning and you looked beautiful in it!
What was the saleswoman thinking? Over budget gowns that are see through and kind of trashy, not sexy despite the fact she has been told repeatedly that friends and family are all concerned about a classy dress appropriate for a church wedding.
My personal taste aside she looked so much happier and excited in first two gowns. In last two dresses she looked like someone had turned off the light inside her. I’m glad she did not succumb to outside pressure just to please everyone else.
They could've had the first two dresses lined... 🤷♀️🤦♀️ Why didn't the salesperson not get help! Ridiculous and a waste of time!
I loved her in the first gown. I thought a coverup of some sort would have fixed the problem. 🤷🏽♀️
I like the brides taste. I wish all her “friends” were more supportive and the parents would lighten up.
I think that's why she has tried on so many dresses already: her style is sexy & flashy, which no one else likes. She needs to just go w/ what she wants because her family & friends aren't going to support her style. But this is also difficult because she's not paying for the dress 🤷
@@Janexcalibur well it's not her who paid for the dress.so she had to suck it up & go with it.unless she's paying it by herself then there's lots of freedom.the westerners commenting here should get that asian families are diff than theirs.
This bride wasn’t picky at all! She just has taste that clashes with her conservative friends & family
She seems very sweet and she’s so pretty. 💕
"Taste" is a relative term. She wanted to look ultra-sexy for her wedding and does not want to understand that that violates her parents' and friends' sense of appropriate taste. They want her dressed like a person beginning a responsible relationship and not like a pole dancer in Vegas.
I think the issue is that it's inappropriate for the venue. If she was getting married at a reception hall or a park then it wouldn't matter. Her parents are also from a country where women have to cover their knees and shoulders to go to the shops
in the end it just felt like she was settling for dresses to appease her family instead of a dress she actually fell in love with 🙃🙃 this could’ve easily been fixed with her buying 2 dresses, especially considering her budget
A good consultant would have found a gown that matched her desire for sparkle and princess and yet satisfied her parents' requirements that it be appropriate for a church wedding. As the wedding is being held overseas, in a more conservative country, this is not optional. This consultant heard 'sexy' and brought out a succession of Panina gowns...a designer known to be the least appropriate for church weddings on the market. I was disgusted with the see through gown. Even the bride to be knew better than to show it to her parents. My solution would be either purchase 2 gowns near or under budget...1 for church, the other for the reception, or use a demi jacket as a shoulder cover for a gown that's more revealing. Simple solutions...smh.
Buy ur own wedding dress & get what u want
I agree… definitely a situation that could have been fixed with a ceremony gown, and a reception gown.
In her case, I don't think this would solve it because she just wants to dress sexy in general which her parents aren't going to support.
@@tytemind7850 Bingo. Mans pay $10k plus, mans has input 😅
"It's very difficult to work with a bride who wants what she wants no matter what the entourage says." No, this is exactly what brides are supposed to do but most of them are not doing it.
She was getting married in Indonesia, in a church. Indonesia is very, very conservative. She already decided that her wedding dress was to be more conservative when she decided on the venue and let her father pay for a $10,000 dress. If she doesn't like that, she can change all her other choices.
She sounds very entitled. She understands her parents, her culture, and her church. Yet she thinks she can go against all of them to get the most blinged-out, sexy dress in the store. An expensive one even, that will be free to her. Sorry, but life isn't like that.
Her parents and entourage know what kind of dress will be acceptable for HER choice of wedding venue, and she will not listen. If you expect her parents to by ok with and pay for and expensive dress that will make them shunned in their home country, you are mistaken.
@@catladyfromky4142 parents will hardly be shunned.....they might have expected this when they sent their daughter off to study and live in a western country. If they were so conservative they should have kept her in their own country. And in her culture its the parenrs who buy the dress, so theyre not doing her any special favours by footing the bill....since we are talking about culture, those big weddings are as much for the parents to show off as about making their daughter happy. But they are using that as a way to control her choices and that is so sad. I'm speaking as an Asian mom of 2 daughters who study in the West.
@@catladyfromky4142 You're making too much in these comments
Yep Randy is just a media ho.
@@catladyfromky4142 I agree. And she kept saying "oh you want me to cover this?" as if she didn't already know that. 🙄 You can't always have your cake and eat it too, but it seems like that's exactly what she expected, and for everyone to give in to what she wanted. She should've just gotten married in the US and paid for her own dress if she wanted this flashy, 'sexy' look.
I would like to point out, which they rarely seem to do on these shows, is suggest that any see-through dress can be LINED. If the first two dresses had a liner I think they would’ve been fine with maybe a shrug for the ceremony and church. At least that is what I would have suggested as a sales woman
They usually do, but leave it out for the sake of drama on the show
Or she didn't want it lined she wanted it see through
And keep bride super happy.
After 5 appointments, I'd encourage the bride to get whatever she liked! She seemed open to a lot of dresses, not picky, so I'm guessing she's had a pushy entourage who kept talking her out of things.
Sorry, not possible. She was getting married in a church in Indonesia. With 600 Indonesian guests. If she changed the venue, bought her own tacky $10,000 dress, or even wanted to estrange herself from all her relatives and town in Indonesia, she could get the sexy dress. But she wants everyone else (including the Church in Indonesia) to change their standards. Not. Going. To. Happen.
Her entourage wasn't pushy at all. Americans have the distasteful habit of ignoring the cultural and religious practices of people outside of the mainstream culture of the USA. The wedding is being held in a church in a conservative country. What does the Consultant do? Ignore the bride's request to find a middle of the road gown that would satisfy both herself and her parents. It's doable, but his Consultant brings out a succession of low cut, boob-revealing dresses, one of them SEE THROUGH!!! Ridiculous. Kleinfeld and the consultant deserved to miss that sale and commission!
@@catladyfromky4142 Exactly. I was infuriated with the behavior of the consultant here. So disrespectful. When she put the bride to be in that see through dress, I was so done with her. I felt that the consultant was completely discounting the family's culture and religious values.
@@catladyfromky4142Hello, she's had 5 appointments at Klieinfeld! It's not just about this one. I understand that she needs to please her family and church, but that should be possible within 5 appointments. I agree with the others that the consultant did a bad job though.
She can't buy whatever she wants because her father is paying just like in many Asian households. And Asian culture tends to defer to the opinions of parents as well. She can choose to pay for the dress and stand her ground if she likes.
I could see she did not love that dress and was worried she was going to say yes when she had the veil and parents on call liking it. Good she stuck to her opinion. The dress looked good on her though.
Parents: Cover up your shoulders
Consultant: *puts bride into a see-through torso dress*
the kleinfeld episodes are basically just "won't somebody PLEASE buy these $10,000 lingerie contraptions by pnina?!" that lady needs to be out of a job YESTERDAY, who the hell even buys her dresses?
@dietotaku Apparently some people like Pnina's dresses, since she is still in business. If you haven't noticed, brides in other cultures sometimes have very sexy gowns with lots of bling. And she is from the ME, where that is very popular. Just because you (and I) don't like those dresses doesn't mean that no one else does. That is a good thing, since there are tons of other designers for you and I to pick from. It's a big bridal gown world.
Even after a budget of $10k they still managed to showed her a dress above her budget!! And they still couldn't get her a dress!!! Wow classic Kleinfield 🙃
Here before it goes viral!
Forget that, 5 appointments!!! 🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃
Typical of this bridal boutique.
I was annoyed with Paula for showing this bride another see-through bodice dress after the first one was vetoed. I know the bride wanted something "sexy" ie tacky and cheap looking but Paula should have shown her classy sexy dresses.
@@stephanieyee9784 True.
Just about to type that
A. Two Dresses
B. Custom Made
C. Different Entourage
D. Different Stylist
E. Different Bridal Salon
F. All of the above
She should fly to Lancanshire to be styled by Gok.
Gok and Lancashire do NOT have the dresses she would like. She wants Swarovski crystals and high-end designer. I don't understand why you think that Gok can magically conjure up a dress like that. Considering Kleinfeld has more dresses than Lancashire (and at the higher price point she wants), she would NOT be happy there. Besides, she has no need for his therapeutic touch.
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I like how her budget is 10k and they immediately pick a 11k+ dress like 10k isn't more than enough 😂
I never understand why brides with this high budget don't choose to go to a designer for a custom dress 🤷♀️
👏👏👏👏👏
I can tell you why - trying on an already made dress makes all the difference. You can like a certain style - maybe even design it with the designer for you personally. But when it is made, it may not look or FEEL right at all! I have seen that happen!🥺
She can have a customized dress by Indonesian designer that looks so much more elegant and classy than the ones she tried here.
Yeah there's a lot of Indonesian designer that could do so much better than this one like Christine Basil.
Give the $10,000 to Randy and have him design your gown!!
Best observation yet
I think she should go to a designer who can design a 2-piece dress with alternate bodices. One is blinged out with a lower-cut sweetheart, and another more understated for Church. Because it appears as though neither the parents nor the bride want to change their opinions for what she should wear.
perfect!
Agree with you
Exactly!
She needed two dresses. One for the ceremony and a party dress.. both of which could be white. That must be a mystery to Kleinfeld. The average UA-cam watcher could have solved this.
My thoughts exactly 💯
kleinfeld is happy to sell 2 dresses to a bride, but you have to say the magic words: "unlimited budget." that way they can sell you TWO $10,000 dresses instead of just one. no way in hell are they showing a bride with a $10k budget the $3k dresses, no matter how many she needs for the big day.
I think the problem is that this bride would not be happy with any dress that is less expensive than the $10,000 budget. She wants flashy and show-stopping. A $3,000 dress would not suffice.
I really don't think the consultant is thinking about the commission. They sell expensive dresses all day long, and if the bride doesn't say "yes" there is no commission in the first place. Their first consideration is the bride. And this bride wants EXPENSIVE. (And too trashy for a church wedding IMO.)
Lots of people work on commission. Waiters. Car salespeople. Their first consideration is to make the customer happy. Full stop. That is the only way they will make their money. Pushing the boundaries only to make another $100 would not be worth it, especially since the appointments are time-restrained.
She could've easily spent $5,000 on each dress.
Usually yes. If she was getting married in a church in America it would be a great idea. But she is getting married in Indonesia. Even not in the church society is very conservative. Those sexy gowns would still upset a lot of people and create a lot of scandal.
This girl looks like an absolute princess in everything!
Hello from Indonesia!
She is definitely a crazy Rich Asian from Indonesia. The budget is way beyond for regular Indonesian. With her budget, she can have a customized dress made.
@LMM hahahaha
@LMM 😂
As a Southeast Asian myself, I know she comes from a rich and influential family just learning of her guests and the price tag her parents are ready to fork out. It is the same in my country where the rich and influential celebrate weddings and even special birthdays (like the 18th) lavishly.
@@whatevergoesforme5129 Hey there , fellow southeast Asian!!!
@@mohammadangginugrohomcjogja Hello from the Philippines :)
Why don’t people realize that the sheer corsets can be lined?? The 2nd dress was perfect for her, just add the lining. BUT, since she has such a big budget why not get 2 dresses? Something for the church and then sexy for the reception.
love how the parents say "the pnina is too sexy for church" so they pull ANOTHER pnina that's fucking SEE-THROUGH. honestly if you're getting married in a church just skip the pnina rack entirely, those dresses are for strip club weddings. they heard a 5-figure budget and just went straight for the overpriced pnina rack. they could have put her in valencia by lazaro for $4k, it's covered in gold foil accents which is really different and flashy but not skanky.
Whenever I hear "It's a Pnina" I know it's going to be lingerie-as-gown, surely by now brides to be all know this going in?
On the other hand, the bride has already been there four times and even Kleinfelds is probably running low on options that might please both the bride and her parents. I wish we could have seen a little retrospective of what gowns she had rejected previously--for all we know, she had already gone through the Lazaro designs (not tried all of them on but tried on a few and rejected the others without trying on).
The consultant may also have been trying the shock tactic on the parents--show them a couple really revealing gowns, so that they would be more likely to approve something less revealing but more conservative than the first two gowns.
I totally get your comment. But most see-through dresses can come with a detachable panel for more modest brides.
I personally don't understand why a bride would choose on of these see-through dresses and then cover up what makes the dress stand out, but many do.
And this bride was wanting more extravagant type of sexy dresses that Pnina usually designs. And since Pnina is almost exclusive at Kleinfeld, I can see why the consultant would try another one of those, because the bride would not find it anywhere else.
But I wanted them to try a Lazarro or maybe a Ian Stewart, because those also can be very elaborate and sexy, but in a more classy way. Too bad for the bride for not finding her dress.
@@catladyfromky4142 I think some parents may have been willing to say yes to a flesh toned underlayer but, ,mmmmm, not these parents.
I think the consultant had figured out exactly what the bride wanted: Pnina! Not my taste, either, but if we all wanted the same thing, the world would be a boring place indeed.
Makes me wonder if the bride is just trying to wear her parents down. Looked to me like she's also wearing her friends down as well. Five appointments! I have friends from high school (more than 50 years ago) and I gotta say, I wouldn't have been up for more than two, or maybe three, of those appointments.
I can see a possible reason the bride doesn't appear to be considering a custom designed dress--my father comes from southeast Asia and it's very easy to find custom designed clothing. A dress from the US, on the other hand, is conspicuous consumption and high status.
@GrainneDhu The panels come in white so the "see-through" aspect is taken away.
I think the parents did not like the flashy, sexy dresses with the low-cut bodice. The problem is that those are exactly what the bride wants. IMO, she needs 2 dresses that can accommodate both interests.
If she knows she needs her parents' approval, I don't see the point in trying on lots of dresses that don't fill their criteria. She should pay for it herself and get one she likes.
There’s a problem if the bride has had 5 appointments at the same bridal boutique but no luck. She clearly wants something shiny and showy but having a conservative entourage and parents don’t help - but it’s not insurmountable.
The fact this woman is Indonesian and getting married in Indonesia should have been a flag to Paula to Not show her the tackiest dresses in the shop.
@@stephanieyee9784 the problem is those tacky dresses are clearly what the bride likes best. she wants a big fat gypsy wedding, basically.
The bride wanted to try on those dresses. The "tacky" dresses were the ones she liked the best. Sexy, rhinestones and/or Swarovski crystals, etc.
When the bride comes in and asks for a type of dress, the consultant usually tries to show her those. That is what she did. Only when the parents were adamant against the Pnina dresses did she go for the classier ones. But, as you notice, the bride didn't like those. She liked the "trashy" ones better. The only reason why she didn't "say yes" to those trashy ones is because her parents and entourage did not approve.
The problem is that her taste goes against the values of her culture. If she picks a sexy dress, she will scandalize the honor of her family, which is a big no no. She's in a no win situation. For a church wedding in a conservative culture, she must go with what her culture dictates or risk the reputation of her family. Asia has a collectivist mentality, i.e. the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the individual.
I just don't get why she couldn't cover up in a jacket (even from organza or something) or a bolero/cardigan or whatever really. Those straps on the last dress were hideous and those few centimeters of extra fabric aren't much more conservative than the previous one. The one with slit in the front was inappropriate yeah, but. And the see through they could've made adjustments/put fabric under it to not make it see through? They did that before. I loved the second to last dress though. With or without that cover-up. Too bad it wasn't her taste.
Those first two dresses were just tacky. And with a $10k budget, they pull a dress that’s OVER that??
Oh wow I just noticed that. Greedy consultants back at it again!
Very tacky! I agree.
They both tacky, best for syrip show not church wedding, plus the outrageous cost over her budget AGAIN!! Sell, sell push these out the door pathetic method... Besides the poor gaudy dress design anyway period!
This is her 5th trip. They are running out of options. And she wants a showstopper with lots of "tacky" Swarovski crystals. And those aren't cheap.
And she is a big girl. She could say no to trying it on. Why can't the consultant show her the dress so she can decide for herself? It is not a crime.
She would probably be better off choosing two dresses. With that budget it should not be a problem.
Totally agree. With her budget being so high, her need to impress her guests is heightened. And she wants a dress that her parents do not approve of. So, IMO, they need to work out a compromise before she goes back to any salon. More money for 2 dresses? Go to a dressmaker who can make a detachable bodice, one with bling and one without?
But the issue is with her and her parents having different, totally conflicting views about what she should wear. Once they can decide how both needs can be met, she can look again.
The second dress looked beautiful on her, and I think a lining underneath the see through bodice would have met the more conservative requirements.
I think she’s settling to appease her parents and peers.
If you want to do super sexy see 👀 through dresses don't get married in a church. There are ministers and priests that will refuse to perform the ceremony if the bride is scantily clad. I had a couple of brides who tried this and when they walked down the aisle the priest told them he could not perform the ceremony until she changed her cloths. The same thing with a couple of ministers. They were warned ahead of time about proper attire and as their consultant I tried to get them to wear the sexy dress for the reception but they didn't listen. They had to come back to the salon on their wedding day to find something suitable to wear. Don't embarrass yourself and your family.
So true. Especially in Indonesia, Africa, or the Philippines. Those Christians tend to be more conservative, and the parental approval is needed so much more.
@@catladyfromky4142 I believe that it is also true in many Western churches. Not even the royals can go against this requirement.
Absolutely agree.
The bride has good taste. I just wish her “friends” and parents would lighten up and be more supportive of her decision for HER dress.
She needs new friends honestly
You clearly do not understand the culture in which she is getting married.
@@LaurieAnnCurry but I do understand the culture. I am of asian descent as well. But I still think she could use a better group of friends as well.
@@LaurieAnnCurry yes actually I do know Indonesian culture very well. We both watched the same video so i understand what’s going on, plus I took a course on Indonesian studies at UCLA. Her parents are looking for her to be covered up and modest, she’s clearly trying to break away from that mold and be who she wants be. I’m not saying she’s being defiant towards her parents because she clearly wants their opinions as well. I’m just saying that shes young and more Americanized than her parents. Her fashion taste reflects more modern, glamorous dresses that have a little bit of sexual appeal. With that said, being at Klinefeld 5x and trying on 50 dresses is pretty ridiculous just to find a wedding dress. She’s wasting more on travel than on the actual dress.
I don't know if being less conservative means having good taste but her parents are the ones funding her wedding and she could have chosen a simple one in a garden with fewer guests so that she doesn't need to follow any rules given by the church.
With a budget of $10,000., she could have gotten 2 dresses. One that is appropriate for the church & one style dress that she really wants & loves.
The bride is not on the same page as her parents. She told the associate that her parents want something more conservative, but she kept bringing her bold, see-through (and tacky) dresses from Pnina. I loved the last two dresses, they were classy and beautiful. I wonder what she ended up wearing.
Every single dress was perfect on her. Her friends and parents are needlessly being too picky and stressing out the bride. It's her day and she has to wear the dress for like 12 hours and love it. 💔
If you are marrying in a church, respect the church.
With a big budget she could afford 2 dresses, one simple and conservative for the church and the other one as flashy as she wants.
The problem here is that she thinks her parents are the conservative ones, in reality her parents understand what works for a church and are constantly pointing that out, yet she wants them to love her dress as much as her when it is not about that at all.
Well thats what i dont understand
She definitely likes dresses NOT suited for church WHICH IS FINE but she either has to give up in the church to get her dream dress or give up and buy a dress she kinda likes or just get a dress for chuch for the family and another one for after ( especially with her 10k budget )
Or get a customized dress made
@somebody Or she can buy her own $10,000 dress and be ok with all her relatives, her Indonesian town, and her Indonesian church disowning her.
And that's one reason I refuse to marry in a church. Pointless with rules I refuse to follow.
My suspicion is that she is about to (or has already had depending on when this episode was filmed) have her parents' version of her wedding rather than her own. I.e. her parents want her to have a church wedding with 600 guests in Indonesia (does someone her age even know 600 people? Are her friends going to be able to fly to Indonesia for the ceremony?, etc.).
So, I am unconvinced that she 'wants to' have a church wedding so much as her parents decided she is going to have a church wedding. Consequently, they have a different idea of what the dress should be.
I suspect this difference of ideas on whose wedding it is is central to the bride's supposed indecisiveness and inability to commit to a dress. She clearly knows what she wants, she is just unable to have it. If the parents have that much say on the dress, my bet is that they are in charge of the whole of the rest of the wedding too.
I think that with a white lining inside all the dresses are going to look better
Family is gonna do what family does, but I wish her friends had been more on *her* side rather than advocating for her parents. I'm glad she stuck to finding HER dress in the end, but it was kinda sad to watch her look at her friends so dejected like no one cared that she was happy, Note: the last dress with veil was gorgeous on her and I loved it, but again, it's gotta be her.
The problem is that her taste goes against the values of her culture. If she picks a sexy dress, she will scandalize the honor of her family, which is a big no no. She's in a no win situation. For a church wedding in a conservative culture, she must go with what her culture dictates or risk the reputation of her family. Asia has a collectivist mentality, i.e. the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the individual.
The friends are supporting he. If she feels so strongly to dress against her conservative parents and church she may as well jus pay for her dress and marry in different location.
My daughter bought a sleeveless wedding gown. I bought a Bolero jacket for her to wear just in church. No problem.
Proof that the stylist makes all the difference.
Gok Wan would have had her sorted in one appointment.
Why do you write that? The dress this bride wanted was to be different and "show-stopping." Lancashire doesn't have what she wants. Especially considering her budget is so high.
Lancashire does not have as many dresses as Kleinfeld, so the chance that she would find a dress with Gok when she couldn't find one here is slim to none. Kleinfeld has Pnina, dresses with rhinestones, actual dresses that cost $10,000, and more dresses period. Lancashire has none of those.
I don't understand why so many of you get so emotionally bonded with Gok. Is it because every one of his episodes has a bride with some sort of disability or need for therapy? Every episode of every SYTTD has a plotline, and Gok's are usually to help heal a struggling bride.
That is great, and I applaud that. But you also need to look at that as a reason for you to throw Gok onto this pedestal as some sort of bridal god. He is not. And no bride wanting what this bride wants would be happy with the selection at that salon.
@@catladyfromky4142 you keep copy pasting that on damn near every comment. Chill and go do something productive.
@jodileamomoftwinsPLUS1 FYI, I don't copy and paste. I am just fed up with people who blindly think that Gok and Lancashire (where he has never actually been an employee) are perfect for every bride.
I agree that the stylist makes all the difference…this one did not even listen to the needs of the bride the parents and the location…
Good on her for staying strong under such pressure
the funny part is that within a couple of days after the wedding, only the immediate family and wedding party will even remember what the dress looked like. Most wedding guests, when asked about the bridal dress, reply that it was pretty and that it was white. Brides obsess over so many details that nobody else remembers afterwards. What they do remember is if the food was terrible or cold, or both, if the music was too loud during dinner and if the centerpieces were obstructing the view of other people at their table.
In her culture, if the dress was deemed inappropriate, she will be talked about forever.
@@ruthpowell1944 Very true and in conservative cultures, they pay a lot of attention to what you wear.
@@ruthpowell1944 Only by the fakes
@@ruthpowell1944 Only by the unfriendly fake religious people who are toxic and can be easily blocked and kicked from her life
That last Lazaro dress looks best on her! She looked like a classy princess 👸
With that budget, she can get 2 customized 'very expensive bridal designer' from Indonesia. She can have a modest one for ceremony and change to a sexier dress for the reception/party.
But i must say, wearing a see through dress for church ceremony is too much.
We Americans have the distasteful habit of ignoring the cultural and religious practices of people outside of the "mainstream" culture of the USA. The wedding is being held in a church in Indonesia, a rather conservative country. What does the consultant do? Ignore the bride's request to find a gown that would satisfy both herself and her parents. It's doable, but his Consultant brings out a succession of low cut, boob-revealing dresses, one of them SEE THROUGH!!! The moment she mentioned "Panina" I knew it was a wrap! Ridiculously disrespectful. Kleinfeld and the consultant deserved to miss that sale and commission!
I really liked the last one that they all approved of. I felt like it was a good combination of the wow she wanted and the approval of her parents. I think she probably liked it more until her parents approved. She is so cute and has a cute figure. I hope she finds something they can all love.
The Comment section: “she should fly to Lancanshire and be styled by Gok! Ugh, no one respects the brides budget. At that budget just get a custom made dress! (Which would actually cost so much more with no guarantee on how it’s look on her’ Shame on blahblahblah!” Ugh, i swear everyone in the comment section these days is nothing but a robot, they almost all sound the same lol.
Who cares as long as she was happy and found her dress? Its reality tv people, just enjoy the pretty dresses and the clips!
She didn't find her dress though.
Bride's dad's Facetime face for the first dress... my response exactly, lol.
The parents say full coverage and they keep showing her low cut gowns. Does anyone at Kleinfeld’s listen.
Yes. The BRIDE wanted the sexy dresses. The last dress was something everyone loved, but it wasn't sexy enough for her.
So apparently they were more in tune with what the bride would have said "yes" to with the sexy ones. So, yes, they DID listen.
I feel like her friends weren't very aware that other places consider other levels of ornamentation tasteful. They were helping her find a dress for her parents, and for a wedding in America, but not for her or to help her be outstanding where her wedding will take place.
The wedding was to be in Indonesia. In a church. With over 600 Indonesian guests. Not in the US. And, in Indonesia, they are very religiously conservative and apply much emphasis to respecting one's elders.
So apparently the entourage was needed to ensure that the bride kept all that in mind. Because all the dresses the bride wanted went against her parents, and she knew it. And the last dress had most, but not all of the things she wanted AND was loved by her parents and entourage. But she didn't want it.
She wants her cake and to eat it too. That is not possible. She turned down a free (to her) $9000 dress. To me, the problem is her, not her entourage.
Bro her friends should be supporting her, those first 2 dresses- she looked magical in them
They were exhausted this is the 5th time they were there
With such a generous budget, why did no one suggest two dresses; one more conservative for the church ceremony, and then one slinkier and sexier for the reception? That way she could please both her parents and then herself.
After her parents thought the first dress was inappropriate, why the heck would they bring out an even more see-through dress?
I agree. Two! One for church ceremony, one for reception as a married woman.
I loved how she looked in the first 2 dresses. She did too. Everybody need not have the same taste. What if the entourage didn't love the dress like her. After all it's her once in a lifetime thing. Just let her enjoy. Don't upset her with mean things. Let her be flashy, sexy etc on her wedding. It's HER wedding!! She doesn't have to compromise her happiness and choices for the sake of her friends/ family.
Prime example of trying to please everyone but yourself. such a heartbreaking episode.
Simple solution, don't get married in a church if you hate the rules. Pick a venue where you can wear whatever you like. She doesn't seem to be religious anyway. 🙄
@@leahpope8672 She has a conservative family who's paying for the wedding. It's probably not so easy to go against family and cultural expectations.
@@angrydonutface7420 So she should know how to compromise if she is not willing to stand her ground and I suspect she is the usual rich kid who gets an allowance from rich daddy which is usually the case in Southeast Asia and many parts of the world (I am Southeast Asian myself). A transparent lace bolero will do the trick.
Why don’t they show Randy’s dresses?
This episode was before Randy got back into designing
My Budget is $10,000. Let me show you a dress for $11,200. lol
Imagine being a fully grown woman and not be able to show your own skin.
Just sad. Glad she got married to someone who’s nice to her.
And she looked drop dead gorgeous in the first dress… Absolutely gorgeous
This is not about being mean. It's about Indonesian culture and their value system, which is not that of the west. You cannot judge something that you know nothing of. She's in a no win situation.
@@kp4911 I saw a grown woman who looked really happy in a beautiful dress who got told no by her mom and dad like she was a child … I don’t care what the circumstances are it’s sad.
And I didn’t say mean you did
@@themissmay I also saw a grown woman who was willing to let daddy foot the bill for the dress and the lavish wedding in Indonesia instead of putting her foot down, saying she won't need to be married inside a church (that is also conservative in many Western countries as a rule), and she will be pay for her own dress. And if she insists on wearing a revealing and sexy wedding dress, she will find out the hard way, and embarrassing at that, that no priest or pastor will marry her inside a church wearing something they forbid. She needs a sheer bolero to cover her arms and shoulders. As a Southeast Asian myself, I know the rules she needs to follow if she agrees to be married inside a church in Indonesia. If she doesn't like it, change the venue, but then again, daddy is paying. But she is doing her best to wear her parents down. I wonder who won LOL?
Her parents are paying for it so there’s that... if she wants things done her way then she needs to pay herself.
She can’t make a decision, because she can’t have what she wants. Very sad.
She looks lovely in last dress especially that veil and headdress
the veil and tiara do match the dress well but that skirt was so PLAIN! just a big ol' wad of tulle. they need to save the tulle for the underskirts and pull some ballgowns with head-to-toe bling. and i know they exist, they just probably aren't on the pnina-skank-stripper-zillionaire-tornai rack.
But she looked miserable in it, she wasn’t smiling and so people like you are narcissist who don’t focus on the brides face and their mouths and how they look, if they are not smiling or happy than do you think they would want to be your friend afterward if they got married in something she hated deeply?
A budget of $10,000 and the first dress they pull is over budget. Wtf?!!!!.
Why ask....
This is her 5th visit to Kleinfeld. 5th. She has probably tried on all the other ones within her budget, LOL.
@@catladyfromky4142 I can’t believe this is her 5th time and she still can’t get a dress. She needs to have one custom made.
She has a budget of 10,000$$$ that's huge. And you bring out dress 1200$$$ over budget. Then her family asks for modest dress. & You bring out dress that is so revealing.
I have seen programs. Bride has only 1000$$. & got the most gorgeous dress.
She wanted details that are very expensive. Crystals, bodices with exposed corsets, and others that were "show stopper." All that screams high-end designer, and one cannot find that in a cheaper dress.
“He makes me feel like a Princess” 🤣🤣
Actually the consultant not helping at all.. There are a lot dresses there, that sexy but still conservative and appropriate for wedding at the church..
No. The last dress was sexy but too conservative for her. She would not compromise on the tone of the sexiness, and she liked the sheer corsets or the low-cut necklines.
Besides, she also would not compromise on the bling. The last dress had bling, but it did not have all the crystals she kept talking about.
The problem is that she did not want to compromise at all. And it was her 5th time at the shop. So if the 5 different consultants could not find a dress she would buy, maybe the problem was not her parents, her entourage, the shop, or even the consultants.
Every time they have a big budget they always pull Pnina.......there are other designers!!!!
She wants Swarovski, sheer, corseted bodices, and "show stopper." All that equals Pnina.
Why do brides always want a conservative church wedding but then want a dress thats not appropriate for it
I love the last dress!
Can't understand that if a conservative dress is needed why they only showed sexy ones and didn't provide the bride real options
They did provide her with more options. With the last one, everyone loved the dress but her. And she didn't buy it. So obviously she will not compromise on the sexiness and blingy details.
She wanted the sexy ones, so they kept showing her those and tried to alter them to see if the parents would approve. To me, that is all that the consultant could do in order to make everyone happy. And the bride wanted everyone to be happy.
After 5 trips to Kleinfelds, it's Not about the dress.......
So true.
Yup, it feels like she just wants attention and other things.
Or she's only trying to convince herself she wants to marry him. Most brides pick the first one they try on because they love it and can't wait to marry their fiance.
I don't even think a lining in her favorite dresses would have been sufficient for her parents, and I agree. Why couldn't she have added a light-weight "jacket" or shawl for the church and then remove it for the reception. Best of both worlds that way.
Hmmm as an Indonesian, I smell a crazy rich family. To spend $10k money on a wedding dress is ridiculously high for an Indonesian
Betoooollll
She must be very rich
Btw How is it in Indonesia tho ? Do people really spend that much money on weddings ? Also I heard that most of the Asian families are way conservative than this one, is that true ? I’m just curious
Not just for an Indonesian, but for anyone. The average person would not blow $10000 on a wedding dress.
@@The_Moving_finger_writes Yeah. There is a research saying that Indonesia is one of the most religious communities on earth. So, older generations, regardless of religion, are quite conservative. I am a Moslem. And I have never really seen anyone going to church with dress with hemline higher than knees. Whoever vacationing to our temples, the organizer will require them to wear traditional cover-ups. Because the Buddhists and Hinduists feel uncomfortable with tourists wearing shorts in their temples.
Of course she is. Her parents most probably sent her abroad to study and now they have a daughter with a "Westernized" outlook just by looking at her dress on this show and her preference for revealing wedding dresses. She acted just like many pampered rich kids in my Southeast Asian country that is not as conservative as Indonesia but will also frown on revealing wedding dresses inside a church.
“So I GUESS I’m excited to spend the rest of my life with him
I’m just wondering if after the 4th appointment did she make a 5th one and actually get a dress she liked?
this WAS the 5th appointment. i hope her 6th appointment was with a seamstress to have 2 dresses custom-made.
The last one is gorgeous
I find it interesting that with the first dress the parents asked for more coverage - and all four dresses were very bare on top. Instead of changing it up with an illusion neckline.
None of them cared about her feelings.
They are not the ones wearing the dress she is .
She will remember her wedding as unhappy if she doesn't find her dream dress
Budget: 10k
Say yes to the dress: how about 11k!?
A dress doesn't need to be see through to be sexy. She said she wanted something & they showed her see through dresses & ball gown dresses only . I dont understand why she would go 5 times to the same salon either .. if she kept leaving empty handed .
Kleinfeld has the biggest selection in the US. IDK if there is another salon in the world with a larger inventory, but I am sure she probably looked into it.
@@catladyfromky4142 Really? But the dresses are so overpriced. I find many of them tacky and ugly but so expensive.
Because she wants the prestige associated with buying her dress at Kleinfield
Pnina's dresses are so awful and inappropriate for a wedding 😬
In our culture, true. But in other cultures, her dresses work well. Besides, some people like Swarovski crystals, sheer corsets, and sex for their wedding. If they have the money, why not?
Inappropriate for a church wedding, in my own opinion but are fine with garden or beach weddings but I never did like her revealing wedding dresses since I lean more conservative.
Yup and way overpriced too.
If you need to be sexy, then get 2 gowns - conservative shoulders covered for church, see thru, slinky for reception. Nothing wrong with following church tradition/rules & listening to your parents, esp. If they are paying.
this episode in particular was funny to me, the narrator in a concerned serious voice "she continues to try on sexy dresses" and her nasally entourage all at once speaking.
She should just get two dresses in this case. One she can wear to her church wedding and the second can be whatever she wants to wear.
We should always remember that there’s such a thing as cultural component and it’s perfectly ok to have loooots of bling in many cultures. You kinda grow up with a certain image in your head. So why does the bride’s entourage keep talking about “classier” or “too much sparkle” is truly beyond me. Let her choose whatever she’s been dreaming of!
why inquire about the bride's budget, then pull dresses over that number ?!? 🙄
This show has really helped me to know that I would never buy a wedding gown at Kleinfeld. Their gowns lack soul.
It's all about business of course. What do you expect?
Not just that but they are very expensive.
@@sleepysalsw I expect Goes of the world to put their hearts into it and overthrow these monsters.
She looks beautiful in all of them...she will know it's the one when it's THE one.
Since she didn’t like the dress… I’m so glad she stood her ground and didn’t accept something she really didn’t love, just to please everyone else. After all, it’s HER wedding dress… not the crowds or bridesmaids…
and she will not have a wedding dress unless rich daddy and mommy agrees....I am Southeast Asian myself and this rich kid is doing her best to wear her parents down. She will find out the hard way that she can't get married in church in a revealing wedding gown. She has been abroad for far too long and had forgotten her cultural traditions. Imagine if she were a Muslim Indonesian!
I could not believe that after the first dress was too much for her parents the next dress they put her in was see-through. Unbelievable. Trying on that dress was a total waste of time
First of all, know your venue. If it's in a church, yes, that should be a consideration in choosing a dress. But overall, im not satisfied with the dresses they made her wear anyway
I loved the second dress
She wants what she can't have. If you're getting married in a church...no stripper gowns allowed.
I feel everyone was pressuring her and she clearly didn’t love the dress.
She obviously wanted a sexy dress, but she wasn't ready to disagree with her parents.
"Hi, whats your budget like? Oh 10k? Great... let me show you something thats 11.3k ... k? " EVERY damn bride that goes to Kleinfelds NEEDS to say their budget is like 1k less than what it actually is... for pity sake it annoys the shit out of me.
Sweet girl, but she looked so defeated. I thought she was going to cry...you can't please everyone.
Stephanie, your wedding is in another country. Yes, all the dresses were amazing 🤩. However, your wedding is being paid(I assume by your parents). The last dress was elegant. Flashy is sometimes trashy. You have to decide if trashy would even be acceptable to your culture. Your parents appear to be lovely people. Good luck with your decision. Unfortunately, society specially in other cultures are hard to satisfy. I come from another country and yes, I had to compromise. However, 5 years later we moved back home for work. We I was received with respect. You know what I mean.
7:50 “say yes”
Well, you are no one to decide that for her sister !
Poor girl just couldn’t get what she wanted.
Disrespectful? They were very polite. And how are Asian parents insecure? Because they are conservative?
It's a church wedding. Churches have dress codes. She needs to respect that too, otherwise just don't have a church wedding.
She is marrying in a church in Indonesia. Which is probably very conservative. She needs to pick which is more important to her - her dress or her location. You want a conservative group of 600 people in a culture that puts a lot of emphasis into respecting one's elders to change for her. Not going to happen.
The bride is so sweet !!
She SEEMS so sweet but she is actually passive-aggressive.
Not really.She seems like a spoiled brat to me.
What’s the point of asking about a budget if y’all are just gonna ignore it
The first dress is the best.
With that budget why just show her Pina dresses? She's crazy. That last one was gorgeous on her.
I didn't know you had to pay for an appointment
I guess it makes sense you are taking their time. I found a beautiful evening gown that could be used for a wedding at saks off 5th for $200.
Stephanie either doesn't know the difference between tacky & classy, or isn't particularly excited to be marrying the man of her dreams. Which is most important to you Stephanie? The third dress was absolutely stunning and you looked beautiful in it!
I think she should go with the dress that makes her happy and comfortable.
What was the saleswoman thinking? Over budget gowns that are see through and kind of trashy, not sexy despite the fact she has been told repeatedly that friends and family are all concerned about a classy dress appropriate for a church wedding.