More true then than what later happened. Many miseries came outside of war and were caused by persecutions by countries against their own people such as in the 20th century in places such as China's oppression through communism that murdered 40-100 million of its own people and Cambodia's similar events that led to a few million. The Russians murdered dozens of millions in their own country, Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania. Then of course we know all about the fascism of the Nazis against the Jews and other groups, but all that started before WW2 and it certainly continued throughout it until they were defeated.
@@matthewreames1137no entiendo porque los sureños odiaban a los aristócratas del sur, si era por sus costumbres o pensamientos de política americana. Lo digo por la escena donde Scarlett confronta a un antiguo conocido de su mamá, que se muda al norte y ya es norteño
@@Dulcekris83 Well, it might be because the Southern aristocrats led the South into a war it couldn't ever possibly win, and for the reasons stated in the clip.
@@billcipher2893 A grudging respect. Later he even says he knows Ashley didn't sleep with his wife because he's too much of a gentleman though he kind of looks down on that a bit.
Such a brilliant scene. Clark Gable in his role as Rhett Butler delivered his lines with such class and nuance. And Ashley Wilkes also provided a calm voice of reason especially when he calmed down his cousin Charles Hamilton.
@@alaricabercrombie2692lo curioso es que Ashley Wilkes nunca fue su marido, y en los dos primeros esposos que tuvo Scarlett Ashley siempre estuvo por delante de ellos. Más el primer esposo que murió sin consumar el matrimonio.
Arguably one of, if not the most important scene of the film, which sets the stage for the whole unraveling of the South. The scan Rhett gives Charles, so powerful. Rhett was looking at him in this manner because he could see the inexperience, mixed with pride and arrogance, especially in those that have never tasted the true bitterness of war. Rhett tried to explain that there wasn’t one cannon factory within the South along with other important technical details related to warfare tactics, but the blind courage of youth had overtaken Charles, and the room supported him to their detriment.
The whole barbecue scene is brilliant because you meet every character, learn about them, learn how they interact and even get a summary of why the South isn't going to win. It's really a brilliant setup.
In the South we're mostly Scots. We had no later immigration after that to speak of, such as Ellis island etc. furthermore the Scots who settled here are from the early-mid 1700s, before Scotland was "Anglicized" and was still a nation of pig/sheep herding Highlander rednecks, so pride was (and is) an intrinsic part of our ethnic culture.
If I remember the book correctly, Rhett had also attended military academy in his youth (though I think he was expelled), so his observation about heavy artillery (cannon) not being produced in the south was on point. Also, Ashely and the other men here in this scene who were angry at Rhett’s observations were likely cavalry or foot soldiers when they enlisted. Later, at the end of the war when Rhett did enlist, he was in the artillery from his military academy training.
@@maryschetrompf4197 I read the book .... but sorry, I don' t remember about this childs You know that exist also a continuation of Gone with the wind.....
In the books, the author also included an old veteran from the Mexican American war. He said very plainly that wars are miserable. Though he didn’t speculate about the South’s odds of winning.
It's amazing how much information a good script can communicate economically. Everything you need to know about the folly of that war for the South in a few sentences.
I actually love that Rhett was straight and rational in that scene claiming about their side's weaknesses 1:54 - 1:55 - when he was scanning Charles like "What do you think you are actually?"
Well, it wasn't the same. The slaves were captives and not free for generations. Since they were a source of free labor and continuing profits, how long would it have taken for the owners to set them free? Aren't you just really trying to justify slavery?
@@Shatamx They didn't want to end slavery at all. That only became a claim after the war was over. Before and during they were set to be a 'slave power'. They also were upset that the North finally had enough population to do to the South what the South had been doing to the North for decades. That is dictate laws. Once they lost that they tried to rage quit the country. At the time most of the people filling Northern factories weren't 'cheap immigrants', they were women and 2nd sons. Children wouldn't see wide spread use until later. TL:DR you have no idea what you're talking about.
Leave it to Rhett to tell it like it is!!! Will eternally love this character!! A real man that spoke truth & wasn't full of arrogance & pretense!! 💘 Continue RIHP to Mr. Clark Gable!!
I have an alternate history novel where we lost at Midway, and later one Japanese soldier says to another that Japan had at most two years before the US rebuilt its forces to offer up some serious payback.
When I read that part of the book, I felt an ominous foreboding that there'll be a horrible calamity in all their lives to wipe out their wealth and happiness.
The democrats in the south owned all the slaves. Good thing the conservatives and republicans in the north led by the republican Abe Lincoln destroyed the scummy democrats and abolished slavery.
@@ibashcommunists6847 You tell yourself that if it makes you happy, poppet. 'Course, just about every historian in the world knows differently, but hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.
@@chooseyourpoison5105 you are ignorant. Its a fact abe lincoln is a republican. Its also a fact that the democrat powerbase before the civil war was in the south. Poor education much bro??
@@ibashcommunists6847 Oh, you dear sweet summer child. LMAO. The Democrat and Republican parties as we know them today didn't even exist back then. Lincoln's National Union Party espoused a form of Jacksonian democracy, similar to the Democrats today, while the south's Democrat part valued individual accountability and minimal government interference in everyday life, much like the Republicans of today. I'm not even American and even I know that much. Do tell me about your "superior education" again. LOL!
There's a huge difference between a duel and a war, you would've thought that the older men would've known that at least. Duels rarely ended in someone dying but when they did that caused enough misery - ask Eliza Hamilton.
The South was founded by two different sets of "spare" second-son European aristocrats looking to get the lifestyle their older brothers got simply because of primogeniture; that crescent moon in the South Carolina state flag is old medieval heraldry for the second son. And they brought the whole code of honor idiocy with them, which also fueled the massacre of Pickett's Charge at Gettysburg.
Any excuse to look down on someone different, who they consider inferior. They wouldn't turn the other cheek to English Protestants. But they could go to America and own the Black man.
To a degree this scene sums up why we have had so many wars in human history.. Because the pride, complete lack of self awareness and understanding of the consequences have (like shown in this scene) been present at almost every country over the years. Today we are so aware of the consequences that we are forced to live in peace (at least on the “higher” international level). Like Da Vinci actually predicted many centuries ago.. Because the greed and hunger for power is the same. We just have to get it in different ways.
Joey Doherty ..and what Da Vinci actually predicted was that at one point humanity would create such powerful weapons that we would be forced to live in peace. Meaning being aware of the consequences because of nuclear weapons.
I suggest studying history to learn why we had so many wars in history, rather than a work of history-based fiction depicting a situation unrelated to the causes of the US Civil War.
@@VersusARCH And I suggest that you learn to put things into context and learn to read and understand full comments. The scene itself is irrelevant. The reasons I mention above are however, relevant. Based on historical facts which I happen to be quite familiar with. This scene can (only) to a degree symbolize a few of those aspects I mention . I
@@HamzooPineda southern accent doesnt mean american accent. In fact, i doubt you can say there is "one true" american accent. As a country born from the confluence of immigrants, americans, iMO, have many different accents.
It's amusing how people, who have never seen this movie, are convinced that it's nothing more than a glorification of the Old South's planter aristocracy. Yet, this scene shows them as arrogant fools who blindly rushed into a war for which they were ill-prepared, and, as a result, brought their entire "civilization" crashing down upon their ears. It's not exactly a ringing of endorsement of their intelligence and sagacity.
Shiloh was more than a year into the future. Georgians started paying with the naval blockade, .. continue with the attrition of the war til 1864... when Sherman made Reb Georgians pay 100-fold their silly rebellion wrongdoings.
It was the biggest cause but it was far from the only cause. Wars are messy and tricky things with many causes and boiling everything down to one single cause causes the side effect of romanticizing them instead of showing them as old men squabbling and young men dying.
Whenever people say this movie glorifies the south, I just show them this scene. This scene shows the arrogance of the south and how foolish it was to go to war. Rhett Butler states it plainly, they’ll lose. Not glorifying the war, if anything condemning the stupidity of it.
They couldve won though. If Lee had razed the Pennsylvania farmland and avoided or won at Gettysburg then the war was over. He lost at Gettysburg by a hairs breadth and was unwilling as a Southern gentleman to do what Sherman did to Georgia.
@@kittykatz4001 thats why he lost the war. He had every opportunity to end it in 1863. Theres no way he could have conquered the North sure but if he took Washington DC, it was over. And DC is a stone's throw away from Virginia.
You have to understand the mindset then. No one thought the War would go 90 days. And those that brought up it could take years at the cost of millions of lives were literally almost kicked out the military. Example General Sherman.
For a film that definitely whitewashes the south, I was surprised that Ashley hoped for a peaceful solution and Rhett bluntly explained that this is a war they can't possibly win.
White washes is the south? If that wasn't the most white washed society in reality I don't know what is. As far as attacking the film, mammy is the character the audience most closely associates with and is the moral voice of the entire movie.
The book it's based on whitewashed the South because the people Margaret Mitchell talked to about the era whitewashed it, too. Either way, the South's entire way of doing things was obsolete on top of immoral by that point, but the South has always been about defending their culture to the death.
Charles Hamilton is everyone you went to high school who hate it when you give them the truth. So they counter with things about you that aren't even relevant just try and anger you 😂
So the counter-argument to Rhett Butler's Yankee coal mine and shipyard spiel is that he was turned out at West Point and he's not received at any decent home in Charleston. Yeah, that argument will win the war for them!
Clearly, the gentlemen saying the word "Charleston" have never been there as they mispronounced the word. Charleston is pronounced with a softer 'r' sound. The first part of the word sounds more like 'cha' as opposed to 'char'. I lived in Charleston for twenty five years. We'd never pronounce it like they did.
Well, the said actor was from Missouri and the year was 1939. So, he's much closer to the era than you are so I believe in his pronunciation than yours.
Actually it was pneumonia following an attack of measles. "Although Captain Hamilton was not vouchsafed a hero's death upon the field of battle, he was nonetheless a hero, dying of pneumonia following an attack of measles. "
Basically, she only wanted him because she was never able to make him chase her like all the other boys did. And then her ego was wounded when he chose Melly (who was sweet and "plain") over her.
And yet they, we, came so damned close to winning. Had the South won the Battle of Shiloh, I think they would have had a good chance of gaining independence with some territorial concessions.
@@odysseusrex5908 keep telling yourself that. The truth is the North squashed the south because of the technological superiority. The Southern soldiers thought they were still in the age of knighthood , and that their bravery and physical strenght would overpower the north, but by the time the Civil War happened, the industrial revolution had already begun. The rules of war were beginning to change. So it didnt matter if the southern soldiers were braver and physically stronger than the north , the north had more military power
Charles is not in the group when this scene occurs in the book. He is sitting nearby with Scarlett. It's one of the Tarletons who starts to try to provoke Rhett, but Rhett leaves and he is dissuaded from following.
Around 1864, General William Tecumseh Sherman came to Georgia, his troops burned down Atlanta, a Confederate city at the time. 🇺🇸 Glory to the California 100
During his campaign for the presidency, Jimmy Carter would be up North and inevitably the bands would play "Marching Through Georgia" which is all about Sherman marching to the sea. Finally Carter had to tell them: Thank you, but that's not really a pro-Georgia song...
@Don't coom or doom will come Still, his march through Georgia was the start of modern warfare: Total war that destroys the ability of the enemy to manufacture, grow food, transport goods and demoralizes the public. Not pretty, but may have prevented more wars after that. Nuclear weapons would eventually replace it as a good reason for whole nations not to go to war against each other.
No, Rhett is quite a scoundrel and opportunist and his moral compass is dodgy and unreliable. He's portrayed more darkly in the novel. Ashley has a moral compass but it's a bit compromised by his lust for Scarlett. The characters with the best developed and consistent moral compasses are Melanie and Mammy.
I agree with Cheryl. The consistent moral compass throughout the novels were Mammy and Melanie. I'd even throw in Ellen O'Hara but she passed on. Rhett was not a 'morale' person. But I think it was due to his life experience. Imo, he secretly was an idealist at heart but he was also a cynical, bitter and hardened person...From time to time, I could see Rhett's 'kind' nature peeked, but he always tried to 'cover' things up because of how he's hurt in the past and he's constantly being hurt 'emotionally' by being with Scarlett whom he believed to not care about him...
@@tracys169 Excellent analysis, Tracy. The question of Rhett's moral compass is a complex one, especially as he's a rather a darker figure in the novel than he's presented in the film.
I liked what Ashley said too. That war was terrible, that he would fight as a southern man but that he wouldnt be happy about it. And he actually didnt admonish Rhett and actually defended his viewpoint.
i´m not american but i am always interested in history. I read in somewhere that Jefferson Davis only go to war because the french emperor Napoleon III promised aid the Confederacy but him could not keep his word.
Untrue. Once the South had seceded, the North had to suppress the rebellion by force of arms. In the face of Northern invasion, the South could either defend it independence or just come back to the Union. Obviously they were not going to do the latter. The South did actively seek recognition and military aif from both France and Britain but, although they were able to buy weapons and ammunition from those countries, on the sly, recognition and intervention never happened.
@@kittykatz4001and apparently Queen Victoria had read Uncle Tom's cabin, and by the time she finally put it down, she was sobbing. And so I would imagine she vowed never to support the Confederacy. Let the English millworkers starve for lack of cotton, but never strike a blow for slavery! I believe in the end they were able to get cotton from Egypt and from other sources at any rate. So I would imagine the millworkers didn't starve in the long run anyway.
Yeah, I mean only like 6℅ of southerns owned slaves, And that was the vary wealthy jerks. The other ℅ were just people fighting for their farming rights. And the north was just trying to do the slaves a solid🙇 but then again, before the war the north was being really unfair to the south. I think its safe to say both sides need to say their sorry😌
@@emilyroberts8653 very true. I'm a Yankee but my relatives didn't come here until 1967 but all the same, I want to say I'm sorry to my southern brothers.
The North understood that the South meant to cut off the relief valve for their industrializing society by bringing slavery to the northern and central Plains. It also understood that the Dred Scott decision was a tremendous infringement on their right to keep slavery out of their own states, let alone the Territories. The North deliberately failed to understand (i. e. knew, but did not admit to itself) that it was profiting very nicely from treating the South as the British treated the Indians: the elite was allowed to preside over the sale of slave-produced raw materials at low prices, then exported finished goods at high prices thanks to tariffs. The South misunderstood more. First, they thought that the North would just sit there and let Fort Sumter be bombed. Second, they thought that the North would make poorer fighters and remain poor fighters...Mary Chesnut's diary notes that the South did a very good job of teaching the North how to fight. Third, they mistook the cool, restrained nature of Northerners for unwillingness to fight: the unwilling fighter will not only defend himself, but he'll be pissed that he was made to fight and fight all the harder! Finally, one "gentleman" fighter was not worth three of the "rabble", and if that were the case, an infinite supply of arms and other goods, a larger population and a potential fifth column four million strong make up the difference nicely.
سيناريو ابوكاليبس تحريري بامتياز : متى ...اقول ،متى يمكن ان تتمنى قرية نملية بحجم قارة ...تتمنى من اعماق قلبها طوفانا مائيا او ناريا ..يجتاحها كلها ...كل قرية النمل ...كل دهاليزها وممراتها وغرف تموينها وحتى غرف الحضانة والقاعة الملكية نفسها ؟؟! ....سيكون طوفانا خلاصيا اذا استطعنا ان (( نخمن )) جيش الدبابير المتسلل في كل ركن من اركان قرية النمل تلك ....ولانها قرية بحجم قارة لا تقل عن حجم قارة اوروبا نفسها ....فلتغرق لندن وباريس وبرلين وامستردام ...غرقا شاملا ....لموت اخير او لحياة جديدة ...هكذا تكلم الغراب
LOL...and why is Southern gentleman Ashley Wilkes speaking with a British accent? Rumor has it Clark Gable initially tried a Southern drawl, but it was so stiff and unnatural they decided to drop it.
I heard Clark Gable REFUSED to do a southern accent because he himself said it would be terrible. Having said that it really helps him stand out as more of an outsider...
@@cripplehawk I think that's the gist of what I said above. He must have tried it and failed miserably. But I see what you mean -- HE decided to drop it, not they.
1:09 momento futuro sogro e futuro genro✌ Momento tambem de ouvirmos o unico homem sensato naquela reuniao👍👏 Rhett 💕💖💋👏😚falou somente a verdade e a homarada ficou insultada ,tenha dó meus senhores, afff🤔🤔
appareantly those old scoundrels thought they still lived in the age of knighthood and thought of themselves like a new modern type of Lancelots and Percivals
Yep. They sent poor WM to fight who had no dog in the fight to preserve the lifestyle the few wealthy landowners wanted to preserve. Very few ppl wear wealthy enough to own huge lands like Ashley plantation and Scarlett’s father.
Selznick was so smart to sign Gable for this part. He was not much of an actor but his personality and charm fulfilled the part. To think they thought of Cooper?
The irony was that they eould jave been able to preserve there "way of life" allmost in tact had they accepted the adolition of slaves. I think it would ne interesting to think how different the south and the isa would ne on a whole if the southwrn planter class just accepted the abolition of slavery.
1939 Gone with Wind movie: I'm sorry if the truth offends you. 2020 SJW: Apologies aren't enough, sir (proceeds to personal bashing)... So bad that after a century still people haven't changed and can't be reasoned with.
you two right wing and conservative idiots can't help yourselves can you? inserting your bs left/right 'sjw' it's always Democrats nonsense politics where it doesn't belong. you trolls ruin every video with your monomania and partisan political hack 'ideas'.
you know every time l see Clark Gable l thing off Nick and how much l miss him Nick looks just like him and a little jealousy come out of me isn't that stupid.
Clark Gable did not allow his personages to be themselves, he always Gable them. Why did he not even try to speak with Southern accents in the Gone With The Wind movie? Al Pacino got into stardom thanks that when he was a rookie actor could not impose his Pacino character into the Michael personage in God Father 1, although from the next movie and to the last one he did, including God Father 3, that he ruined by replacing Michael with Pacino.
They had the best army and general in *one theater* but for every battle Lee won in the East, they lost one or two more in the West, and whereas all Lee could do was fend off invasions by the Army of the Potomac, in the other theaters, the Yankees gained ground, and never lost it.
Not really. Lee and Longstreet were both very capable, but so were Grant, Sherman, and Meade. Stuart and the heavily worshipped Thomas Jackson were both very hit-or-miss: they pulled off great tactics in some campaigns, and completely screwed the pooch in others. Grant and Sherman were the pioneers of a new way of warfare and basically set the standard for how WWI would eventually be fought.
I love both Rhett and Ashley’s responses. Because they were right
I feel Ashley knew he was correct
More true then than what later happened. Many miseries came outside of war and were caused by persecutions by countries against their own people such as in the 20th century in places such as China's oppression through communism that murdered 40-100 million of its own people and Cambodia's similar events that led to a few million. The Russians murdered dozens of millions in their own country, Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania. Then of course we know all about the fascism of the Nazis against the Jews and other groups, but all that started before WW2 and it certainly continued throughout it until they were defeated.
@@matthewreames1137no entiendo porque los sureños odiaban a los aristócratas del sur, si era por sus costumbres o pensamientos de política americana. Lo digo por la escena donde Scarlett confronta a un antiguo conocido de su mamá, que se muda al norte y ya es norteño
@@Dulcekris83 Well, it might be because the Southern aristocrats led the South into a war it couldn't ever possibly win, and for the reasons stated in the clip.
@@HC-cb4ypok gracias por la aclaración.
The ultimate _"They hated him because he told the truth."_ meme before memes were even invented.
The truth that the North had more slavery than the south ??
I feel like this foreshadowed the silent but mutual respect that Rhett and Ashley had with each other.
does Rhett have respect for Ashley?
@@billcipher2893 A grudging respect. Later he even says he knows Ashley didn't sleep with his wife because he's too much of a gentleman though he kind of looks down on that a bit.
Such a brilliant scene. Clark Gable in his role as Rhett Butler delivered his lines with such class and nuance. And Ashley Wilkes also provided a calm voice of reason especially when he calmed down his cousin Charles Hamilton.
All of Scarlet's husbands in one scene...and Superman!
Yep, George Reeves 😊👍👍
@@alaricabercrombie2692 I saw that! ^_^
I even forgot Mr. Kennedy existed lol 🤣
And the object of her affection!
@@alaricabercrombie2692lo curioso es que Ashley Wilkes nunca fue su marido, y en los dos primeros esposos que tuvo Scarlett Ashley siempre estuvo por delante de ellos. Más el primer esposo que murió sin consumar el matrimonio.
Arguably one of, if not the most important scene of the film, which sets the stage for the whole unraveling of the South. The scan Rhett gives Charles, so powerful. Rhett was looking at him in this manner because he could see the inexperience, mixed with pride and arrogance, especially in those that have never tasted the true bitterness of war. Rhett tried to explain that there wasn’t one cannon factory within the South along with other important technical details related to warfare tactics, but the blind courage of youth had overtaken Charles, and the room supported him to their detriment.
The whole barbecue scene is brilliant because you meet every character, learn about them, learn how they interact and even get a summary of why the South isn't going to win. It's really a brilliant setup.
@@HC-cb4yp That’s a really good point you bring up about the BBQ scenes. We do get to see their personalities and why they lost the war
In the South we're mostly Scots. We had no later immigration after that to speak of, such as Ellis island etc. furthermore the Scots who settled here are from the early-mid 1700s, before Scotland was "Anglicized" and was still a nation of pig/sheep herding Highlander rednecks, so pride was (and is) an intrinsic part of our ethnic culture.
If I remember the book correctly, Rhett had also attended military academy in his youth (though I think he was expelled), so his observation about heavy artillery (cannon) not being produced in the south was on point.
Also, Ashely and the other men here in this scene who were angry at Rhett’s observations were likely cavalry or foot soldiers when they enlisted. Later, at the end of the war when Rhett did enlist, he was in the artillery from his military academy training.
Rhett was very practical in this scene.
Wouldn't it have been more practical to just tell them what they wanted to hear?
@@VersusARCH Rhett is the bad boy, always rebelling against the status quo. He never says things to please others.
@@flamingflamingo4021 "Good morning, mises Meade... Good morning mises Merryweather..."
@@VersusARCH In fairness, he wasn’t going to chime in.....he was asked.
@@VersusARCH Considering what happened over the next four years, the truth was the most practical thing he could have told.
Minute 02:00, the four men in Scarlett's destiny can be seen in the same room: Charles Hamilton, Rhett Butler, Ashley Wilkes and Frank Kennedy.
@@Helga7850 Actually in the book she had a boy with Hamilton and a daughter with Kennedy. They left them out of the movie.
@@maryschetrompf4197 I read the book .... but sorry, I don' t remember about this childs
You know that exist also a continuation of Gone with the wind.....
She married three of them #1 Charles #2 frank #3 rett.
Helga Haper No, Scarlet mentioned marriage is fun, for men and Rhett said you’ve only been with a kid and an old man, so it was eluded to.
Sim , mas so vejo o Rhett 💕💖 adoro ele💋😚👏
This scene in a nutshell: Why you booing me, I'm right!
In the books, the author also included an old veteran from the Mexican American war.
He said very plainly that wars are miserable.
Though he didn’t speculate about the South’s odds of winning.
Book, singular but, yeah. I've always liked that old man's harangue.
It's amazing how much information a good script can communicate economically. Everything you need to know about the folly of that war for the South in a few sentences.
Actually an ever better script can convey more information in less words.
@@derlenx1097 Fewer words. Not less words.
I actually love that Rhett was straight and rational in that scene claiming about their side's weaknesses
1:54 - 1:55 - when he was scanning Charles like "What do you think you are actually?"
Well, it wasn't the same. The slaves were captives and not free for generations. Since they were a source of free labor and continuing profits, how long would it have taken for the owners to set them free? Aren't you just really trying to justify slavery?
@@Shatamx They didn't want to end slavery at all. That only became a claim after the war was over. Before and during they were set to be a 'slave power'. They also were upset that the North finally had enough population to do to the South what the South had been doing to the North for decades. That is dictate laws. Once they lost that they tried to rage quit the country. At the time most of the people filling Northern factories weren't 'cheap immigrants', they were women and 2nd sons. Children wouldn't see wide spread use until later.
TL:DR you have no idea what you're talking about.
@@michaelfollis5317 really. Where didyou live in 1861?
@@JD1976 I read what they wrote.
I actually think he is looking at Charles like he is a naive kid and recognizes the boy needs to grow up, and likely the war will do that.
Leave it to Rhett to tell it like it is!!! Will eternally love this character!! A real man that spoke truth & wasn't full of arrogance & pretense!! 💘 Continue RIHP to Mr. Clark Gable!!
Rhett was like Admiral Yamamoto telling his Japanese cohorts not to bomb Pearl Harbor by saying "there will be a gun behind every blade of grass."
I have an alternate history novel where we lost at Midway, and later one Japanese soldier says to another that Japan had at most two years before the US rebuilt its forces to offer up some serious payback.
Rhett Butler...Essence of dapper.
When I read that part of the book, I felt an ominous foreboding that there'll be a horrible calamity in all their lives to wipe out their wealth and happiness.
Um and slavery
The democrats in the south owned all the slaves. Good thing the conservatives and republicans in the north led by the republican Abe Lincoln destroyed the scummy democrats and abolished slavery.
@@ibashcommunists6847 You tell yourself that if it makes you happy, poppet. 'Course, just about every historian in the world knows differently, but hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.
@@chooseyourpoison5105 you are ignorant. Its a fact abe lincoln is a republican. Its also a fact that the democrat powerbase before the civil war was in the south. Poor education much bro??
@@ibashcommunists6847 Oh, you dear sweet summer child. LMAO. The Democrat and Republican parties as we know them today didn't even exist back then. Lincoln's National Union Party espoused a form of Jacksonian democracy, similar to the Democrats today, while the south's Democrat part valued individual accountability and minimal government interference in everyday life, much like the Republicans of today. I'm not even American and even I know that much. Do tell me about your "superior education" again. LOL!
When Facts hurts your pride, time to Re Evaluate your belief.
"I am sorry the truth offend you."
I apologize for all my shortcomings. ~ Rhett
Great line
Great gentleman!!!!
Um perfeito cavalheiro em tudo, embora ele dissesse o contrário, te amo senhor Butler💕💖💝🤴
That's my motto.
Best film ever made have viewed many time
My man, Rhett Buttler telling it like it is since 1860
It gets better: Clark Gable himself was rather woke and stood up for all of the black cast members, including the actress who played Mammy.
There's a huge difference between a duel and a war, you would've thought that the older men would've known that at least. Duels rarely ended in someone dying but when they did that caused enough misery - ask Eliza Hamilton.
I was not ready for that...
The last war the US was in was 15 years earlier. The only person in the room old enough to have fought was Elder O'Hare.
The South was founded by two different sets of "spare" second-son European aristocrats looking to get the lifestyle their older brothers got simply because of primogeniture; that crescent moon in the South Carolina state flag is old medieval heraldry for the second son. And they brought the whole code of honor idiocy with them, which also fueled the massacre of Pickett's Charge at Gettysburg.
Wonderful moovie, Clark gable was so beautiful, all actors playd good
I will never for the life me understand how Gerald O'Hara, a first generation Irish American, having lived a slave, turned English landowner.
He won Tara in a card game. I read the book when I was 9.
If you read the novel, you find out it was sort of sheer of luck.
Any excuse to look down on someone different, who they consider inferior. They wouldn't turn the other cheek to English Protestants. But they could go to America and own the Black man.
Yeah' I liked him better as Uncle Billie in It's a Wonderful Life
He won Tara and Pork in a card game. Ironically, it was Pork that told him he needed to get lots of other slaves.
To a degree this scene sums up why we have had so many wars in human history..
Because the pride, complete lack of self awareness and understanding of the consequences have (like shown in this scene) been present at almost every country over the years.
Today we are so aware of the consequences that we are forced to live in peace (at least on the “higher” international level). Like Da Vinci actually predicted many centuries ago..
Because the greed and hunger for power is the same. We just have to get it in different ways.
Erik I think it has more to do with nuclear weapons.
Joey Doherty ..and what Da Vinci actually predicted was that at one point humanity would create such powerful weapons that we would be forced to live in peace. Meaning being aware of the consequences because of nuclear weapons.
I suggest studying history to learn why we had so many wars in history, rather than a work of history-based fiction depicting a situation unrelated to the causes of the US Civil War.
@@VersusARCH
And I suggest that you learn to put things into context and learn to read and understand full comments.
The scene itself is irrelevant. The reasons I mention above are however, relevant. Based on historical facts which I happen to be quite familiar with.
This scene can (only) to a degree symbolize a few of those aspects I mention .
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@@TheSportfane Sorry, I fail to understand that 2+2=5. L8r
Everybody sounds like they've had a puff or two of helium.
That is the real american accent
@@HamzooPineda southern accent doesnt mean american accent. In fact, i doubt you can say there is "one true" american accent. As a country born from the confluence of immigrants, americans, iMO, have many different accents.
I live how they still call them damn yankies to this day
That is Rand Brooks who challenged Rhett. Rand went on to play Corporal Boone in Adventures of RIn Tin Tin on tv in the 50's.
Thank you so much for uploading this, I've been looking for it all over UA-cam!
see my comment above
Anmepa 93:You know you can buy the DVD or BLU ray at Wal-Mart or on Amazon.
@@ashleysmith8402 she want's it on her phone, to have it anywhere ..anytime.
*_Personally, I have a 100% Rhettbutlerist thought and position, (in a few words) typical of the concept of Rhett Butler._*
Adoro a voz do Clark, alias adoro o Clark inteiro😚👏💕💖💋
Was charles trying to challenge him to a duel. Ashley said he ad steady hands ?
I think the challenge was implied in "apologies aren't enough".
It's amusing how people, who have never seen this movie, are convinced that it's nothing more than a glorification of the Old South's planter aristocracy. Yet, this scene shows them as arrogant fools who blindly rushed into a war for which they were ill-prepared, and, as a result, brought their entire "civilization" crashing down upon their ears. It's not exactly a ringing of endorsement of their intelligence and sagacity.
The book is really about how some people remain standing when the floor is pulled out from under them while others go to pieces.
They should have listened to Rhett, but they was so hyped to fight they didn't think about the consequences of war.
Shiloh was the battle that set the South right on the payments required in War. No one in this scene expected the Battles to be so murderous.
Shiloh was more than a year into the future. Georgians started paying with the naval blockade, .. continue with the attrition of the war til 1864... when Sherman made Reb Georgians pay 100-fold their silly rebellion wrongdoings.
So, the South denies the civil war was about slavery, but it seems to be the most important subject in this scene.
Because it's a movie.
Oh it can be denied until the cows come home but there is this thing called truth.
It was the biggest cause but it was far from the only cause.
Wars are messy and tricky things with many causes and boiling everything down to one single cause causes the side effect of romanticizing them instead of showing them as old men squabbling and young men dying.
Mr. Butler hit it late on the nose without the factories, moving at a fast pace you never win a war. That’s the way it was with World War II.
Whenever people say this movie glorifies the south, I just show them this scene. This scene shows the arrogance of the south and how foolish it was to go to war. Rhett Butler states it plainly, they’ll lose. Not glorifying the war, if anything condemning the stupidity of it.
They couldve won though. If Lee had razed the Pennsylvania farmland and avoided or won at Gettysburg then the war was over. He lost at Gettysburg by a hairs breadth and was unwilling as a Southern gentleman to do what Sherman did to Georgia.
@@bardgold4553 Lee was loyal to the south, but I don’t think he agreed with the war.
@@kittykatz4001 thats why he lost the war. He had every opportunity to end it in 1863. Theres no way he could have conquered the North sure but if he took Washington DC, it was over. And DC is a stone's throw away from Virginia.
In the book Scarlett says they should have freed their slaves rather than declared war.
Leslie Howard was in his forties when he played Ashley and sadly he looks it. Otherwise, he was excellent.
He would have been perfect if he’d been about 15 years younger.
@@jaengen I agree. Although Ashley's age was not given in the book, Scarlett was sixteen in 1861. I assumed Ashley was in his mid-to-late twenties.
Oh fanaticism sure blinds logic , common sense.... If only there was a Rett Butler who could be heard before wars!!!
Still going on today...
You have to understand the mindset then. No one thought the War would go 90 days. And those that brought up it could take years at the cost of millions of lives were literally almost kicked out the military. Example General Sherman.
"..........and arrogance."
"THAT'S TREACHERY!"
Point proved.
Вивьен Ли - прекрасна!
Она была диагностирована как нимфоманка. Счастливые партнеры.
Правда? Любопытная информация, запомню.
Нет, ей поставили диагноз маниакально-депрессивный психоз.
@@HC-cb4yp She was bipolar at a time when the disease, was not well understood. Extreme behavior can happen during a manic phase.
@@elviraelvira7771 Da.
Quentin Tarantino Club Random with Bill Maher sent me here
For a film that definitely whitewashes the south, I was surprised that Ashley hoped for a peaceful solution and Rhett bluntly explained that this is a war they can't possibly win.
Plus a handful of everybody on every class in the South said the same thing that the South couldn't win the war
White washes is the south? If that wasn't the most white washed society in reality I don't know what is. As far as attacking the film, mammy is the character the audience most closely associates with and is the moral voice of the entire movie.
The book it's based on whitewashed the South because the people Margaret Mitchell talked to about the era whitewashed it, too. Either way, the South's entire way of doing things was obsolete on top of immoral by that point, but the South has always been about defending their culture to the death.
Charles Hamilton is everyone you went to high school who hate it when you give them the truth. So they counter with things about you that aren't even relevant just try and anger you 😂
So the counter-argument to Rhett Butler's Yankee coal mine and shipyard spiel is that he was turned out at West Point and he's not received at any decent home in Charleston. Yeah, that argument will win the war for them!
Rand Brooks said that this role completely ruined His career.
Ashley and Rhett were both right.
And almost everyone in the room died because of said arrogance and unpreparedness.
Clearly, the gentlemen saying the word "Charleston" have never been there as they mispronounced the word. Charleston is pronounced with a softer 'r' sound. The first part of the word sounds more like 'cha' as opposed to 'char'. I lived in Charleston for twenty five years. We'd never pronounce it like they did.
Well, the said actor was from Missouri and the year was 1939. So, he's much closer to the era than you are so I believe in his pronunciation than yours.
lol cool story bro as they say today
Charles didn't get to do much fighting, as a fever carried him off in camp, like so many other young men in that war.
Actually it was pneumonia following an attack of measles. "Although Captain Hamilton was not vouchsafed a hero's death upon the field of battle, he was nonetheless a hero, dying of pneumonia following an attack of measles. "
I will never understand what Scarlett sees in Ashley. He just looks exhausted from dealing with life. He wants dull and lifeless....not Scarlett.
Basically, she only wanted him because she was never able to make him chase her like all the other boys did. And then her ego was wounded when he chose Melly (who was sweet and "plain") over her.
真実の愛に気がついたときには全ては手遅れだった。時代を超えた世紀の大悲恋物語。
Ashley is the truth even tho he’s been trained to fight he doesn’t want to do it
In the book, Ashley was at least good looking. In the movie, it was hard to believe that Scarlett preferred him over Clark Gable....
Where is link of full movie?
I mean that’s EXACTLY how the confederate lost
And yet they, we, came so damned close to winning. Had the South won the Battle of Shiloh, I think they would have had a good chance of gaining independence with some territorial concessions.
@ M
Yes. The South thought that they would win b/c they had great generals.
@@gigiw.7650 They lost because their generals didn't understand the war.
@@kahunab7400 More because of man and materiel shortages.
@@odysseusrex5908 keep telling yourself that. The truth is the North squashed the south because of the technological superiority. The Southern soldiers thought they were still in the age of knighthood , and that their bravery and physical strenght would overpower the north, but by the time the Civil War happened, the industrial revolution had already begun. The rules of war were beginning to change. So it didnt matter if the southern soldiers were braver and physically stronger than the north , the north had more military power
Anyone noticed that Superman is in this scene?
Great Caesar's Ghost! .... You're Right!
@@jamesalexander5623 One of the Tarleton Twins!
Fun fact, whichever one he's playing, I forget, he's listed as the other one in the credits.
there had to someone with brains in that heroic group. they fought on chivalry, and charged ahead with no real foundation.
Rhett Butler is the only man in this story who can truly be considered a Chad!!!
@Slenbendra Nope, I meant a Chad!!!
Charles has cajones in this movie. In the book this doesn't occur
Charles is not in the group when this scene occurs in the book. He is sitting nearby with Scarlett. It's one of the Tarletons who starts to try to provoke Rhett, but Rhett leaves and he is dissuaded from following.
Rhett would have beat the crap out of Charles or that Tarleton boy in fisticuffs or killed them in a duel. In the book, Rhett was a marksman.
Shelby Foote in Ken Burns great series on the Civil War said exactly the same thing The South had absolutely no chance of winning the war
Around 1864, General William Tecumseh Sherman came to Georgia, his troops burned down Atlanta, a Confederate city at the time. 🇺🇸 Glory to the California 100
Yeah 2 of my great great grandfathers fought in Sherman's army, one was in the March to the Sea
Jeff Curtis that is amazing 🇺🇸
During his campaign for the presidency, Jimmy Carter would be up North and inevitably the bands would play "Marching Through Georgia" which is all about Sherman marching to the sea. Finally Carter had to tell them: Thank you, but that's not really a pro-Georgia song...
@@HC-cb4yp the perfect march for his campaign, my father recall on that year of 🇺🇸 Bicentennial
@Don't coom or doom will come Still, his march through Georgia was the start of modern warfare: Total war that destroys the ability of the enemy to manufacture, grow food, transport goods and demoralizes the public. Not pretty, but may have prevented more wars after that. Nuclear weapons would eventually replace it as a good reason for whole nations not to go to war against each other.
Rhett and Melanie are the only people with a moral compass in this film. Except Melanie knows how to use her.
No, Rhett is quite a scoundrel and opportunist and his moral compass is dodgy and unreliable. He's portrayed more darkly in the novel. Ashley has a moral compass but it's a bit compromised by his lust for Scarlett. The characters with the best developed and consistent moral compasses are Melanie and Mammy.
I agree with Cheryl. The consistent moral compass throughout the novels were Mammy and Melanie. I'd even throw in Ellen O'Hara but she passed on. Rhett was not a 'morale' person. But I think it was due to his life experience. Imo, he secretly was an idealist at heart but he was also a cynical, bitter and hardened person...From time to time, I could see Rhett's 'kind' nature peeked, but he always tried to 'cover' things up because of how he's hurt in the past and he's constantly being hurt 'emotionally' by being with Scarlett whom he believed to not care about him...
@@tracys169 Excellent analysis, Tracy. The question of Rhett's moral compass is a complex one, especially as he's a rather a darker figure in the novel than he's presented in the film.
I liked what Ashley said too. That war was terrible, that he would fight as a southern man but that he wouldnt be happy about it. And he actually didnt admonish Rhett and actually defended his viewpoint.
@@cherylhulting1301 Agree with you
Leslie Howard still has appeal ;)
"damn" yankee`s ! "RB" right !
i´m not american but i am always interested in history. I read in somewhere that Jefferson Davis only go to war because the french emperor Napoleon III promised aid the Confederacy but him could not keep his word.
Untrue. Once the South had seceded, the North had to suppress the rebellion by force of arms. In the face of Northern invasion, the South could either defend it independence or just come back to the Union. Obviously they were not going to do the latter.
The South did actively seek recognition and military aif from both France and Britain but, although they were able to buy weapons and ammunition from those countries, on the sly, recognition and intervention never happened.
France and Britain 🇬🇧 wisely stayed out of this “family squabble.”
@@kittykatz4001and apparently Queen Victoria had read Uncle Tom's cabin, and by the time she finally put it down, she was sobbing. And so I would imagine she vowed never to support the Confederacy. Let the English millworkers starve for lack of cotton, but never strike a blow for slavery! I believe in the end they were able to get cotton from Egypt and from other sources at any rate. So I would imagine the millworkers didn't starve in the long run anyway.
Smart Confident people know the TRUTH. Insecure ones are the arrogant ones with no experience.
Facts didn't care about their feelings.
I feel like the north and the south truly did just misunderstand each other. Both had their reasons for doing what they did.
Yeah, I mean only like 6℅ of southerns owned slaves, And that was the vary wealthy jerks. The other ℅ were just people fighting for their farming rights. And the north was just trying to do the slaves a solid🙇 but then again, before the war the north was being really unfair to the south.
I think its safe to say both sides need to say their sorry😌
It’s a shame like 600k people had to die for that misunderstanding.
@@emilyroberts8653 very true. I'm a Yankee but my relatives didn't come here until 1967 but all the same, I want to say I'm sorry to my southern brothers.
@@emilyroberts8653 not really.
People lived in multi-generational households.
In Mississippi, about 50 % of the free people owned slaves.
The North understood that the South meant to cut off the relief valve for their industrializing society by bringing slavery to the northern and central Plains. It also understood that the Dred Scott decision was a tremendous infringement on their right to keep slavery out of their own states, let alone the Territories.
The North deliberately failed to understand (i. e. knew, but did not admit to itself) that it was profiting very nicely from treating the South as the British treated the Indians: the elite was allowed to preside over the sale of slave-produced raw materials at low prices, then exported finished goods at high prices thanks to tariffs.
The South misunderstood more. First, they thought that the North would just sit there and let Fort Sumter be bombed. Second, they thought that the North would make poorer fighters and remain poor fighters...Mary Chesnut's diary notes that the South did a very good job of teaching the North how to fight. Third, they mistook the cool, restrained nature of Northerners for unwillingness to fight: the unwilling fighter will not only defend himself, but he'll be pissed that he was made to fight and fight all the harder! Finally, one "gentleman" fighter was not worth three of the "rabble", and if that were the case, an infinite supply of arms and other goods, a larger population and a potential fifth column four million strong make up the difference nicely.
سيناريو ابوكاليبس تحريري بامتياز : متى ...اقول ،متى يمكن ان تتمنى قرية نملية بحجم قارة ...تتمنى من اعماق قلبها طوفانا مائيا او ناريا ..يجتاحها كلها ...كل قرية النمل ...كل دهاليزها وممراتها وغرف تموينها وحتى غرف الحضانة والقاعة الملكية نفسها ؟؟! ....سيكون طوفانا خلاصيا اذا استطعنا ان (( نخمن )) جيش الدبابير المتسلل في كل ركن من اركان قرية النمل تلك ....ولانها قرية بحجم قارة لا تقل عن حجم قارة اوروبا نفسها ....فلتغرق لندن وباريس وبرلين وامستردام ...غرقا شاملا ....لموت اخير او لحياة جديدة ...هكذا تكلم الغراب
This is how the baseball team got their name
LOL...and why is Southern gentleman Ashley Wilkes speaking with a British accent? Rumor has it Clark Gable initially tried a Southern drawl, but it was so stiff and unnatural they decided to drop it.
Leslie Howard was from England. Perhaps he could not modify his speech pattern enough to sound Southern.
@@brendapayne6603 Well so was Vivien Leigh (Scarlett). She managed. Better actor?
I heard Clark Gable REFUSED to do a southern accent because he himself said it would be terrible.
Having said that it really helps him stand out as more of an outsider...
@@cripplehawk I think that's the gist of what I said above. He must have tried it and failed miserably. But I see what you mean -- HE decided to drop it, not they.
Charles was such a dope.
He was young, idealistic and foolish.
Charles was in his teens. I think I was a smart teenager, but I’m sure I said things that today would leave me saying, “What a dope!”
Plato said it in 300 bc. Today too many ‘Mercian’s are like Charles hamilton
0:46 Where do they get off calling Yankees rabble anyhow? Who do they think they are?
1:50 Ashley Wilkes looks like young Joe Biden XD
I wonder if any of these men thought about this convo later on...assuming they survived that is.
Despite it's Lost Cause propaganda, GWTW actually acknowledges the Civil War was about slavery!
1:09 momento futuro sogro e futuro genro✌
Momento tambem de ouvirmos o unico homem sensato naquela reuniao👍👏
Rhett 💕💖💋👏😚falou somente a verdade e a homarada ficou insultada ,tenha dó meus senhores, afff🤔🤔
Those "gentlemen" didn't do much fighting. They sent the sons of dirt farmers to do the fighting.
appareantly those old scoundrels thought they still lived in the age of knighthood and thought of themselves like a new modern type of Lancelots and Percivals
Yep. They sent poor WM to fight who had no dog in the fight to preserve the lifestyle the few wealthy landowners wanted to preserve. Very few ppl wear wealthy enough to own huge lands like Ashley plantation and Scarlett’s father.
Selznick was so smart to sign Gable for this part. He was not much of an actor but his personality and charm fulfilled the part. To think they thought of Cooper?
I'll get you Butler!! Ha ha
I just missed this scene! Oh well, it's not I won't watch it again :)
see my comment above
If this doesn't show that this is a war for slavery and the plantation holders, not the yeoman farmers, I do not know what will
My thoughts exactly.
0:26
😂
a lot of licking going around those days
The irony was that they eould jave been able to preserve there "way of life" allmost in tact had they accepted the adolition of slaves. I think it would ne interesting to think how different the south and the isa would ne on a whole if the southwrn planter class just accepted the abolition of slavery.
Charles Hamilton, what an immature, pretentious pip squeak. Rhett Butler blows him away.
Pour tous les N3 qui viendront regarder la vidéo pour préparer l'anglais
1939 Gone with Wind movie: I'm sorry if the truth offends you.
2020 SJW: Apologies aren't enough, sir (proceeds to personal bashing)...
So bad that after a century still people haven't changed and can't be reasoned with.
And it's always Democrats.
you two right wing and conservative idiots can't help yourselves can you? inserting your bs left/right 'sjw' it's always Democrats nonsense politics where it doesn't belong. you trolls ruin every video with your monomania and partisan political hack 'ideas'.
Amo mas quero traduzido em portugues
Eu te amo, meu Brasil, eu te amo. Traduzir necesita obra seria.
He was right.
Lol they ask for his opinion and then sneer when its not what they think, what basket cases southerners and some still r
you know every time l see Clark Gable l thing off Nick and how much l miss him Nick looks just like him and a little jealousy come out of me isn't that stupid.
yankees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Eli Whitney Cotton Gin for the cotton mouth
Clark Gable did not allow his personages to be themselves, he always Gable them. Why did he not even try to speak with Southern accents in the Gone With The Wind movie? Al Pacino got into stardom thanks that when he was a rookie actor could not impose his Pacino character into the Michael personage in God Father 1, although from the next movie and to the last one he did, including God Father 3, that he ruined by replacing Michael with Pacino.
People just weren't..........smart back then.
Yankee hand industry. Southerners had the best army and general.
They had the best army and general in *one theater* but for every battle Lee won in the East, they lost one or two more in the West, and whereas all Lee could do was fend off invasions by the Army of the Potomac, in the other theaters, the Yankees gained ground, and never lost it.
Not really. Lee and Longstreet were both very capable, but so were Grant, Sherman, and Meade. Stuart and the heavily worshipped Thomas Jackson were both very hit-or-miss: they pulled off great tactics in some campaigns, and completely screwed the pooch in others. Grant and Sherman were the pioneers of a new way of warfare and basically set the standard for how WWI would eventually be fought.
...and arrogance.