800+ Channels, $25 a month. Live in HD www.livetvstre... April 1996. CBC Reporter Mark Lee goes to Phoenix to profile the Winnipeg Jets move to the desert.
I think I might be one of the few Canadians who wants the NHL to stay in Phoenix. I still think it has potential. I think Atlanta is a lost cause though personally.
Well apparently none of you know much about Coyote Hockey. I went to almost every game last season and the fan base is way bigger than you all think. Just last week the team hosted a prospect camp, which was held during the week day but managed to have sanding room only because there were so many people. I saw pictures from other organizations, including Detroit and Chicago and none of them had more than 100 people at them. If people started to follow the Coyotes maybe they would see,,
Because the NHL made the same mistake putting a team in Atlanta, which did not work well when the Flames left for Calgary before the Thrashers came to town. Basically Winnipeg, you benefited from an NHL foul up.
NGL the bit with the roadrunners cracked me up 🤣 The inflatable blimp sums up US sports. I love the Yotes but it sucks they had to be taken from a country so passionate about hockey.
Yea but if you really want to grow the game wouldn’t you not want to gatekeep it? Where are the Canadian business tycoons? Why don’t the Canadian billionaires make a new Canadian league? I mean Canada hasn’t won a cup since 93 with Montreal. I get the reasonings back then but this reporter was a dick to some people because they weren’t as knowledgeable on trivial details of the game. People who are saying what’s happening now is how winner felt isn’t true. They saw it coming. We got our world flipped upside down in a week after being promised support until the land auction failed.
They never deserved that team. Winnipeg did. We got a team back as a fuck you. The REAL whiteout. A team that makes the playoffs. Hockey in the desert lol ps give the jets the rights to their history back. It means more to Winnipeg fans than the empty arena in the desert
Puckhead. If it wasn't for Gary Bettman and his band of 30 idiots paying the bills for the Coyotes. The team would not be there. You guys should be happy the commisioner is will to save your team at any cost. I do hope you guys keep the team and make it work. I would like to come there one day and see a game.
At least The Sport of Hockey does survive "In The Desert", unlike some other city "In the Heart of Dixie" that has now lost TWO NHL Teams. Before the Coyotes came to town, the Kings had a Minor League Team playing in Phoenix. Stop making The City of Phoenix look naive towards NHL Hockey!
I believe the Coyotes did alot better when they played downtown at the America West Arena. But the Arena was not designed for hockey. Funny story. Gerry Colangelo was asked Gary Bettmen during the the construction of the building if the NHL would ever come here. Gary said not in your lifetime. So they built it only for basketball. A year and Half later he called Colangelo back and said he has 2 businessmen wanted to move their team to his arena.
One other thing. The L.A. Kings also played host to some neutral site games at the America West Arena. That was before the coyotes came into existence, and perhaps a big reason why there's hockey in Arizona. Also, one other note, the Kings are a reason why Vegas has a team too. For 20 years, they played host to a neutral site game in Vegas vs Colorado
Towards the end of the video,, Jerry Colangelo said he anticipated that it would be a very successful franchise. It was an absolute failure from the time they arrived to the time they left. Pretty much being forced out of Arizona. As someone who was born and raised in Winnipeg and and fan of the Jets at that time, I don't know what the NHL was thinking. I get that the dollar was weak and it was a small market, but no effort was put in to save the team by the NHL, yet they did everything possible for the Coyotes. Just because its a big city, doesn't mean its a big market for hockey
Yeah, you got a point. Phoenix is definitely a Minor League Market, it has no business having an NHL Franchise. Maybe the Kings should relocate their Minor Leagues to Phoenix like they did before. But like I said, better Phoenix than Atlanta. Do you not agree?
@toastichedu. Your bang on. I can't believe how much has changed for Phoenix. Boom, Bust. Winnipeg is a place does not expereince highs and lows. Its pretty much pretty stable there all the time.
Quebec, Southern Ontario, Connecticut, Milwaukee, Seattle and Portland would make MUCH better markets for the NHL than Phoenix. Sorry, but that's the way it is. You can BUILD a fanbase if you win consistently (see: Nashville), but that's hard to do for anyone. Especially in leagues where there are salary caps.
Putting an NHL team in a non traditional market is always a gamble, but I truly believe that when the Coyotes started playing in 1996, they were popular, and they routinely sold out America West Arena. But, as we know, the arena was not built with hockey in mind. It was only designed for basketball. In order to get a hockey rink fitted in the arena, a bunch of seats had to be taken out of use on one side of the arena. People sitting in that area could only see from the blue line up towards center ice and beyond, it brought the seating capacity down to 16,210, and it made the scoreboard look off centered. Because of this, the Coyotes wanted to have a proper arena built, but the powers that be who ran the arena wanted to keep them playing at America West permanently. The powers that be were also going to have the obstructed side remodeled so that there wouldn't be anymore obstructed seating. But the Yotes continued on with there own arena plans to have it built in Glendale. That was the start of the downfall. Bad ownership making poor decisions also didn't help either. The NHL and Gary Bettman for that matter, have been to soft on the Yotes for way too long. This year, something has to give. Either they finally can build an arena somewhere in the east valley or get them the out of Arizona and into a makert that will except them.
The records don't show that they "routinely sold out" AWA. But they did usually average a number near its "hockey capacity" (somewhere in the 16K range). I agree with you that they would have had better luck continuing in AWA, though. I actually think going over 17K capacity for the market was a mistake: You need enough seats to make it a major league proposition but "small enough" to be a tough ticket. A 16-17K seat arena either in downtown Phoenix or Scottsdale probably would have been the right recipe for a successful Coyotes franchise.
Hunter looks like Peter Keleghan's character Ranger Gord from Red Green show. Considering all the problems the Coyotes have had he's probably no smarter than Gord, eh?
It amazing how much things have changed in Phoenix in 2011 Boom Town - Not. Foreclosures galore, coroprate downsizing, unemployment I can't believe they are losing $40 MM a year. The Calgary Flames, one of the smallest markets in the league made $40 MM last year.
Chuck knew and knows his hockey and he was spot on that the market was taking on a lot quickly. In 1993, you had one of the big four. By 1998, you had all four...that was a lot to add to the market in a short period of time.
Yeah, pretty much. The Suns dominate Phoenix Sports in the Winter Time. Only during Playoff Time do the Coyotes sell out. The Kings draw better than the Coyotes and it gets just as hot in Los Angeles as it does "In The Desert". Granted, neither city is like Detroit or Chicago, but at least they love and know their Hockey in Los Angeles, unlike Phoenix or San Jose(Another city that's a joke for the NHL).
islesoilesfan not that far, though it’s a very very inconvenient drive. Especially seeing how most fans live about an hour from Glendale, 30 minutes from Phoenix.
Not that you guys need my approval but I've always wanted to visit Winnipeg. Then again, I was too young and living far away from PHX before the Yotes came to town... I do know how losing the Supersonics felt at least
@@tbfünke Ha Ha! Kicking ass and taking names AND NO ONE CARES! Half empty Gila River Arena mostly filled with fans of the opposing team. Meanwhile the present Jets always sell out in Winnipeg and it's always filled with Jets fans, not outsiders. Besides, AZ is not known for having genuine Coyotes fans, only bandwagoners.
@@sjdrifter72 I'm a Habs fan and I always enjoyed watching the Red Wings play the Die-yotes in the playoffs, not only because the Red Wings always knocked them out, but because the games in Arizona were, in effect, home games for the Wings!
With the exception of some teams, the Sun Belt has been a huge failure. If the Coyotes move to Hartford, I guarantee they'll be way more successful and popular than they are now! 🐳
thre will be people tripping, elbowing roughing and swearing, and thats just people who want to see arizona win a home game for a change is more like it, what a pathetic team.
should have moved them to seattle portland milwuakee saskatoon or minnesota. They all would have been better markets then phoenix. Minnesota because at the time minnesota had no team
If you don’t know what the hell the five hole is your city shouldn’t have a team this was stupid I’m glad that they have a team now sooner or later it should be Quebec’s turn
Hopefully it won't 'survive' for much longer. This joke of a franchise has got to end/or relocate to a real hockey market. Think about it, all their glory years were spent in the WHA, a league that's been dead for 34 years. In their NHL existence as the Jets/Coyotes all they have is ONE division title? and prior to last season they went 25 years without winning one playoff series? Only one word to describe the Coyotes franchise : PATHETIC!
@@joshkusiak7613 People can love a sport; but that need not be correlated to the fact that the sport itself is not automatically destined to succeed everywhere.
I think I might be one of the few Canadians who wants the NHL to stay in Phoenix. I still think it has potential. I think Atlanta is a lost cause though personally.
JCMoney thanks for the support
A proud coyotes fan
I hope they stay in Arizona, however they really need (for a long time) a new arena of there own.
@@chriswoodsports they own gila River arena?
You must be drunk If you think Pheonix is a suitable place for hockey
@@chriswoodsports Pheonix is a foolish place for hockey team
They should do one of these stories on their anticipated move to Utah
And now the Coyotes are moving to Utah!
Well apparently none of you know much about Coyote Hockey. I went to almost every game last season and the fan base is way bigger than you all think. Just last week the team hosted a prospect camp, which was held during the week day but managed to have sanding room only because there were so many people. I saw pictures from other organizations, including Detroit and Chicago and none of them had more than 100 people at them. If people started to follow the Coyotes maybe they would see,,
I went to a coyotes game in 2015. There was 3000 people there. It was the most empty arena I’ve ever been to. Btw I’m from Winnipeg. You were saying?
U GUYS R MOVING LOLLL yeah u cant fill a 5k college arena... kellaer wants OUT
And because of this Toronto have Auston Matthews
And Calgary has tkachuk.
I’m thankful that the Jet came back home in 2011 !
they didnt come home.... DIFFERENT franchise. U stole atlantas team... Ur team is in coyotes... winnipeg is lucky.
Because the NHL made the same mistake putting a team in Atlanta, which did not work well when the Flames left for Calgary before the Thrashers came to town. Basically Winnipeg, you benefited from an NHL foul up.
NGL the bit with the roadrunners cracked me up 🤣 The inflatable blimp sums up US sports. I love the Yotes but it sucks they had to be taken from a country so passionate about hockey.
Yea but if you really want to grow the game wouldn’t you not want to gatekeep it? Where are the Canadian business tycoons? Why don’t the Canadian billionaires make a new Canadian league? I mean Canada hasn’t won a cup since 93 with Montreal. I get the reasonings back then but this reporter was a dick to some people because they weren’t as knowledgeable on trivial details of the game. People who are saying what’s happening now is how winner felt isn’t true. They saw it coming. We got our world flipped upside down in a week after being promised support until the land auction failed.
NHL shoulda never let them move but at least they are back.
They never deserved that team. Winnipeg did. We got a team back as a fuck you. The REAL whiteout. A team that makes the playoffs. Hockey in the desert lol ps give the jets the rights to their history back. It means more to Winnipeg fans than the empty arena in the desert
The cbc guy's shot was worse than the arizona guy.
Yet at one point he was a play by play Announcer for CBC doing hockey. His name is Mark Lee
Puckhead. If it wasn't for Gary Bettman and his band of 30 idiots paying the bills for the Coyotes. The team would not be there. You guys should be happy the commisioner is will to save your team at any cost. I do hope you guys keep the team and make it work. I would like to come there one day and see a game.
This is rough I admire you folks in winnepeg for putting up with this
Don Sperrazza And they were rewarded for their dedication in 2011
At least The Sport of Hockey does survive "In The Desert", unlike some other city "In the Heart of Dixie" that has now lost TWO NHL Teams. Before the Coyotes came to town, the Kings had a Minor League Team playing in Phoenix.
Stop making The City of Phoenix look naive towards NHL Hockey!
Jiltedin2007 yes let’s go coy-otes
This comment aged poorly
Big mistake - they should’ve never moved
Grassroots movements in hockey has sky rocketed because of the move. Def wasn’t a mistake. Canada doesn’t own a sport.
@tazjoplin1733 Yet America owns every sport, right? Typical entitled American.
Thank GOD that the Jets came back. Go Jets Go. 😄👏👏👏🏒🏒🏒
Moving the jets was a terrible decision
27 years ago. Still a train wreck.
I believe the Coyotes did alot better when they played downtown at the America West Arena. But the Arena was not designed for hockey. Funny story. Gerry Colangelo was asked Gary Bettmen during the the construction of the building if the NHL would ever come here. Gary said not in your lifetime. So they built it only for basketball. A year and Half later he called Colangelo back and said he has 2 businessmen wanted to move their team to his arena.
Peg City as a loyal coyotes fan I agree with this
I go to Glendale as much as I can but it’s very far out
One other thing. The L.A. Kings also played host to some neutral site games at the America West Arena. That was before the coyotes came into existence, and perhaps a big reason why there's hockey in Arizona.
Also, one other note, the Kings are a reason why Vegas has a team too. For 20 years, they played host to a neutral site game in Vegas vs Colorado
Towards the end of the video,, Jerry Colangelo said he anticipated that it would be a very successful franchise. It was an absolute failure from the time they arrived to the time they left. Pretty much being forced out of Arizona. As someone who was born and raised in Winnipeg and and fan of the Jets at that time, I don't know what the NHL was thinking. I get that the dollar was weak and it was a small market, but no effort was put in to save the team by the NHL, yet they did everything possible for the Coyotes. Just because its a big city, doesn't mean its a big market for hockey
5200 attendance for the roadrunners 25+ years later same for coyotes in the University
Its definitely interesting to watch this now, less than a week removed from the Coyotes' final game and just a few months ahead of their move to Utah.
Yeah, you got a point. Phoenix is definitely a Minor League Market, it has no business having an NHL Franchise. Maybe the Kings should relocate their Minor Leagues to Phoenix like they did before. But like I said, better Phoenix than Atlanta. Do you not agree?
15 years later, Atlanta lost an NHL team and Winnipeg returns with great pride and great support!!!
This is the biggest joke in all of sports
CFL I agree...millions more watch a Superbowl commercial. Funny eh?
556Outlaw 20 years later and nothing changed
@toastichedu. Your bang on. I can't believe how much has changed for Phoenix. Boom, Bust. Winnipeg is a place does not expereince highs and lows. Its pretty much pretty stable there all the time.
yep this move really saved the Jets 1.0, right? LOL idiots cant run this team, we have better owners and smarter ones now :)
I still hate the jets/ peyotes for forcing the roadrunners out of town
8:59 Accounting for inflation, that's an over $124K gate for an IHL game in 2024 dollars.
J E T S JETS JETS JETS. Oh sorry wrong sport😂
Quebec, Southern Ontario, Connecticut, Milwaukee, Seattle and Portland would make MUCH better markets for the NHL than Phoenix. Sorry, but that's the way it is. You can BUILD a fanbase if you win consistently (see: Nashville), but that's hard to do for anyone. Especially in leagues where there are salary caps.
Seattle will get a team in 2021
@@DisneyStudioNetwork Seattle should've got the Coyotes via relocation; but the NHL is too greedy.
Beat thing happened to Arizona hooowl
A bit of a misstep
1 of the puck/ball boys are correct on roughing by saying referee but shooting the puck? no.
Putting an NHL team in a non traditional market is always a gamble, but I truly believe that when the Coyotes started playing in 1996, they were popular, and they routinely sold out America West Arena. But, as we know, the arena was not built with hockey in mind. It was only designed for basketball. In order to get a hockey rink fitted in the arena, a bunch of seats had to be taken out of use on one side of the arena. People sitting in that area could only see from the blue line up towards center ice and beyond, it brought the seating capacity down to 16,210, and it made the scoreboard look off centered. Because of this, the Coyotes wanted to have a proper arena built, but the powers that be who ran the arena wanted to keep them playing at America West permanently. The powers that be were also going to have the obstructed side remodeled so that there wouldn't be anymore obstructed seating. But the Yotes continued on with there own arena plans to have it built in Glendale. That was the start of the downfall. Bad ownership making poor decisions also didn't help either. The NHL and Gary Bettman for that matter, have been to soft on the Yotes for way too long. This year, something has to give. Either they finally can build an arena somewhere in the east valley or get them the out of Arizona and into a makert that will except them.
ur totally right.
The records don't show that they "routinely sold out" AWA. But they did usually average a number near its "hockey capacity" (somewhere in the 16K range). I agree with you that they would have had better luck continuing in AWA, though. I actually think going over 17K capacity for the market was a mistake: You need enough seats to make it a major league proposition but "small enough" to be a tough ticket. A 16-17K seat arena either in downtown Phoenix or Scottsdale probably would have been the right recipe for a successful Coyotes franchise.
Hunter looks like Peter Keleghan's character Ranger Gord from Red Green show. Considering all the problems the Coyotes have had he's probably
no smarter than Gord, eh?
Did the Jets regain their history like the Browns when they came back?
No, it’s still technically the thrashers history
@@Splanch That's a shame, so the old Jets/Coyotes have the city's history. Aint fair.
But they should
I hope the jets get their history back
Nobody up here ever forgot, but yes we’re able to celebrate the old franchise with the 2.0
Irony but learn from failing
realistically both Arizona and Atlanta can support the NHL and you would be stupid not to think so. its all about ownership and not the fans.
Compared to places like Houston or Salt Lake, no chance.
It amazing how much things have changed in Phoenix in 2011
Boom Town - Not. Foreclosures galore, coroprate downsizing, unemployment
I can't believe they are losing $40 MM a year. The Calgary Flames, one of the smallest markets in the league made $40 MM last year.
Set TV Now Calgary is as large as Phoenix almost....
Very funny story.....
Canada was pissssssed.
now there happy again if.
@@jared4walshnope they are still pissed no chip since 1993.
@@scaryhenskichip?
@@EveryoneIsAnIdiotExceptForMe no championship since 1993
@@scaryhenski Funny how most players on American teams are Canadian
Train wreck
Now how about if we can have NHL Teams in San Diego and Houston!
6:34 Chuck was right lol.
Chuck knew and knows his hockey and he was spot on that the market was taking on a lot quickly. In 1993, you had one of the big four. By 1998, you had all four...that was a lot to add to the market in a short period of time.
This video makes me sick, I hate when hockey is in places like this.
11:34 the music stuck in my heads
Yeah, pretty much. The Suns dominate Phoenix Sports in the Winter Time. Only during Playoff Time do the Coyotes sell out. The Kings draw better than the Coyotes and it gets just as hot in Los Angeles as it does "In The Desert". Granted, neither city is like Detroit or Chicago, but at least they love and know their Hockey in Los Angeles, unlike Phoenix or San Jose(Another city that's a joke for the NHL).
San Jose sells out every game what are you talking about?
The problem is glendale is like 2 hours away from phoenix
islesoilesfan not that far, though it’s a very very inconvenient drive. Especially seeing how most fans live about an hour from Glendale, 30 minutes from Phoenix.
The team moved from a bad market to an even worse market 😅
on-going Incompetent ownership will do that
Biggest mistake since Atlanta
I HATE Phoenix
And Phoenix hates you.
the legend In 2011 My favourite team came back
I HATE Phoenix too!
They should've never left Winnipeg in the first place
Not that you guys need my approval but I've always wanted to visit Winnipeg. Then again, I was too young and living far away from PHX before the Yotes came to town... I do know how losing the Supersonics felt at least
I cant even watch this...
@robminmonaca
They will be in Quebec next year, book it
893160007 6 years later...
Sooooooo....they in Quebec yet??
yo they in quebec yet?
Lol look at the coyotes now 😂😂
WildfootTV it’s amazing how much patience is a virtue and building a winning team. It’s amazing and the team is in a prime location; PHX, AZ
@@tbfünke Ha Ha! Kicking ass and taking names AND NO ONE CARES! Half empty Gila River Arena mostly filled with fans of the opposing team. Meanwhile the present Jets always sell out in Winnipeg and it's always filled with Jets fans, not outsiders. Besides, AZ is not known for having genuine Coyotes fans, only bandwagoners.
@@tbfünke Well everyone knows the Jets moving to Phoenix was a mistake soooo....
@@sjdrifter72 I'm a Habs fan and I always enjoyed watching the Red Wings play the Die-yotes in the playoffs, not only because the Red Wings always knocked them out, but because the games in Arizona were, in effect, home games for the Wings!
With the exception of some teams, the Sun Belt has been a huge failure. If the Coyotes move to Hartford, I guarantee they'll be way more successful and popular than they are now! 🐳
Atlanta busted because no regular black person likes hockey.
thre will be people tripping, elbowing roughing and swearing, and thats just people who want to see arizona win a home game for a change is more like it, what a pathetic team.
should have moved them to seattle portland milwuakee saskatoon or minnesota. They all would have been better markets then phoenix. Minnesota because at the time minnesota had no team
bettman needs to wake up and move this team to Quebec or Hartford in the next couple of years
hockey sucks in the desert move to the north
If you don’t know what the hell the five hole is your city shouldn’t have a team this was stupid I’m glad that they have a team now sooner or later it should be Quebec’s turn
Hopefully it won't 'survive' for much longer. This joke of a franchise has got to end/or relocate to a real hockey market. Think about it, all their glory years were spent in the WHA, a league that's been dead for 34 years. In their NHL existence as the Jets/Coyotes all they have is ONE division title? and prior to last season they went 25 years without winning one playoff series? Only one word to describe the Coyotes franchise : PATHETIC!
If u love the sports u want to succeed
@@joshkusiak7613 People can love a sport; but that need not be correlated to the fact that the sport itself is not automatically destined to succeed everywhere.
Go Nordiques Go!
QuebecSouverain95 I hope you folks get your NHL team like us! I support more Canadian teams in NHL 😃
Winnipeg Jets moving to Phoenix
Biggest mistake in hockey
Yep
No, It's a good one
@@EveryoneIsAnIdiotExceptForMe Shithole? Pfft, salty jets fan
@@michaelloyola5659 Atleast Winnipeg has fans
@@EveryoneIsAnIdiotExceptForMe Get a life