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Gibson (because of his extremely devout father) is part of and was raised in a sect of Catholicism that doesn't recognize Vatican II. He even still takes mass in Latin. That may go some way in explaining Gibsons penchant for portraying the more anti Semitic gospel accounts and taking inspiration from passion plays.
Isn't he a Sedevacantist (someone who doesn't recognize the current and some of previous popes as legit), as well? I remember hearing that somewhere...
@@samkasenberg898 That's exactly the point, sedevacantists declare that the position of pope has been empty since, and because of, the Vatican II Council, because they reject a lot if not all of the decisions made during it.
Oh god hes a trad cat....tbeyre almost as fucked up as trad calvinists (used to be one, its hardcorre fascism and bruning heretics)
Three minutes in, and I am already sure that the comment section will be just fine...
I remember how this film was known as the Jesus Chainsaw Massacre at the time.
I saw this in theaters. The whip scene was brutal.
Lulz.
I actually think the anti-global banker part was pretty gross.
“It is not possible to have an entirely biblically accurate film adaptation of the gospels, unless one structures it like Roshomon.”
That sounds like that could be a cool concept, honestly.
Anyway, good episode for what seems like an unpleasant movie. If I'm going to watch an over the top inaccurate story of the Passion I'll just stick with Jesus Christ Superstar
AmberHyena If you haven't, The Last Temptation Of Christ is really good as well.
AmberHyena that would be an interesting take. I'd watch that
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Gibson is a Traditionalist Catholic. They ignore the Vatican II reforms.
My mom let my two youngest sisters (6 & 7) watch this movie with her. I refused to watch it, even though she really wanted me to.
She never let us or them even play video games with any slight amount of blood, but showed this needlessly brutal movie to my youngest sisters.
Yikes! That’s child abuse. This movie should be NC-17.
Holy shit, your mom too? My mother made me watch this with her on Easter when I was about 7 or 8. I remember getting night terrors from it. Such an ugly film.
@@empresscat9062 parents can be so strange ay?
Bless your mother for doing the right thing, teaching kids about the saviour is something no one is doing anymore
I saw it for the first time when I was eight. I wasn’t made to watch it but I found my dad watching it one night and I was curious and wanted to see it too. He warned me that it would be graphic but I didn’t know that word yet so even though I mostly wasn’t scared, I was shocked at everything I saw. It took me until I was fifteen or sixteen until I could watch the crucifixion scene without looking at it through my fingers and hiding my eyes.
I think a biblically accurate film that shows the four gospel's separate accounts of the final days of Jesus would be really good
Someone send this to a24!!
I grew up catholic,
And even back when I looked up at the crucifix at the head of the church, part of me imagined how Jesus felt of this being his most iconic image.
I could picture him saying to himself "so Buddah gets to be sitting chubby and content. Vishnu gets to be shown in epic multi armed glory. And what do I get? My main symbol is the tool of my execution!
AND WHY AM I ALWAYS WHITE?! For my dad's sake I was from the middle east."
Hahaha nice. My mom believed in so many things, she was a catechism teacher, but believed in reincarnation, astral travel etc, She would've loved your humor here!! She loved to argue with bible thumpers... she knew her shit, let me tell ya!!
Bill Hicks did a great sketch about the second coming, Jesus looks down to earth and tells his father," I'm not going dad, they are still wearing crucifixes ". Hicks said it was like going up to Jackie Kennedy while wearing a rifle badge and telling her you were " Just thinking of John "......
@@MiRuina69 Your mom sounds like a really cool person lol love your pfp name btw, Fallout rocks!
A minor thing, but I think Jesus stepping on the snake is a reference to a passage in Genesis 13:15, which is often thought (in the Christian tradition) to foretell Christ. Great video, Leon! You've made me wish that there was a Rashomon-style Gospel film...
Jewish rabbis interpret that completely different
There a few videos about it
Though the term "torture p0rn" (lol I'm not sure how far your language filter goes) came with the likes of the Saw franchise, I'd say this film was more true to that label. I was in high school when this film was in theatres and a friend of mine apparently had to take a day off from school after going to see it, and this was someone who enjoyed Evil Dead, House of 1,000 Corpses and the like. When I finally (hesitantly) watched the movie I was just annoyed, waiting for "something else" to happen apart from slow motion suffering and weird gasping.
Much like you related at the closing of the video, The Passion is basically a 2 hour long version of the sort of thing that freaked me out as a little kid, happening upon big sculptures of Jesus bleeding out on the cross. It's a fear-mongering guilt-trip. "Look at how much this guy is miserably dying! If you don't feel bad for him a scary female devil and her dwarf baby will get you! .... oh and by the way, let's show 2 mins of him being nice for emotional manipulation. DEATH BLOOD GUILT boogedy boo!"
This was a long rant so I'll end it with something less negative..... "I think he said 'blessed are the cheese makers'!"
I used to hear this film referred to as the Jesus Chainsaw Massacre.
god,, yeah i made a mistake watching house of 1000 corpses not knowing what i was getting into, it was so hard to watch but like hey, comparing the two i'd take that one any time
There's a surprising lack of Santa Christ in this analysis.
Advent3546 agreed. Looking forward to santa Christ's new film tho!
There is a SantaChrist movie coming? Woho!
Renegade cut about "Jesus Bro!"? Yes please!
Santa Christ is in the sequel, white Jesus 3000: electric Boogaloo
He saved puppies from a fire, and he also likes pancakes
Comment Section has been behaving pretty well, proud of you.
I'm always surprised that this film does not show up on "most disturbing" lists, it's as brutal and violent as martyrs, anti christ, serbian film, or a multitude of other movies that fall into the "torture porn" catagory.
I was shown this movie in catechism when I was getting confirmed as a Catholic. I'm an atheist now, and though I try to be accepting of people's choice regarding religion, interpretations like that of this movie of the bible are part of what makes that a bit harder for me.
I enjoyed the flashbacks, especially the scene where he made the tall table.
Welcome aboard the A train!! Took me 50 years a Catholic to realize I was misinformed ….. I am more happy now …. Sometimes I wish there was a loving caring entity looking over us, but have to say I see no evidence …. Take care and stay safe …
i'm pagan so not exactly the same experience but yeah they showed me this there too i think and like,, i'd love to know why they thought that was a good idea or at all convincing
I was raised Catholic and went to a Catholic boarding school. My family had this movie on DVD but I remember a movie night in my school where they showed it to us. The person beside me cried so hard she had an asthmatic attack and a lot of people were 're-giving their lives to christ'. I thought it was hilarious😂
Isn't the death of Jesus Christ a good thing for Christians? According to their theology, doesn't Christ's crucifixion lead to the redemption of humanity? Then why would the Jews be condemned for the (false) belief that they instigated the trial and execution of Jesus?
Honestly, any god that would send his son to be crucified is pretty immoral. Christianity is filled with garbage like this though.
Every religion is. Only the brainless sycophants are stupid enough to take any and everything in a "holy book" as written.
The reasoning has shifted several times throughout Christian history, and is still debated today.
Early Christians thought that had Jesus NOT been killed, he would have brought forth an age of peace and happiness - a paradise on earth. Thus his death wasn't beneficial.
Later scholars saw your very point; there's an apocryphal text called the Gospel of Judas which proposes that Judas wasn't Jesus' betrayer, but his only true disciple; the only one willing to do what had to be done for his master's vision of humanity.
Additional theologians argued that despite Christianity stemming from the Crucifixion and Resurrection, the Jews didn't know that; they were motivated by fear and ignorance - thus their actions can't be judged by their results, but by their intentions.
Also don't forget that the Gospels and much of the surrounding popular culture that we now consider canon came into effect in the first 4 centuries of the Common Era (i.e. A.D.). This was after the Christian tradition had to develop within the Roman empire, around different norms and values than today; capped off by the council of Nicaea, where the church leaders decided the mythos behind Christ, and compiled the Christian Bible into its present form. Having just gained autonomy and power in the Roman world, this was in no way an impartial jury, and the mythos had to be pleasant enough for a state religion but also polemic enough to motivate conversions and 'forced' faith - thus why his death was seen as a tragedy that miraculously was reversed.
Yes! Jesus: "No one takes my life from me, I lay it down of my own accord, for I have authority to do so" - a quote from THE BIBLE - John 10:18.
Filippos Rempoutzakos good info👍 because you sound like you may know, any books recommends on this kind of history? Early formation of Christianity?
I like how you point out how guilt isn't a positive motivator for renewing or having any kind of faith. Great analysis!
As someone who was raised in a conservative Christian home and culture (and is still Christian) I'd like to chime in.
This film was very popular(?) in my circles, and there are a set of reasons why. Some examples: it's a movie about Jesus just has an actual budget, it doesn't take "Last Temptation" levels of liberties with the story, it hits home that this was something more than a public hanging and sticks out.
Some of the things you pointed out that aren't in the bible I simply wrote off as short hand--have him step on a snake. That was in some prophecy or something, right?
As for the anti-Semitism, a lot of people in my circles didn't even notice it. My circles hold essentially no blame to the Jewish people for the death of Christ. The only Jews the Christians I grew up with wild blame were the pharisees, which just fell into the theme of rulers and leaders that wound up caring about their power than their faith. Judas scrambling for his money came across to us as "yup, Judas sucks" more than anything explicitly Jewish, but anti-Semitism very well may have been Gibson's intention (conscious or not). There are certainly elements of this that assert more blame than the bible does on the Jews, but if this was meant as anti Jew propaganda, it certainly wasn't effective as such in my right wing conservative surroundings.
I think you made some great points, Leon. There are a set of things that made me think "ok, cross referencing with Isaiah and the psalms I get why this is here," but your points on its excess and expanded negativity toward the Jews is valid. I would like to throw out there, however, that there are at least well sized pockets of Christians who found this movie personally moving who didn't become anti-Semites as a result.
PS, I've never liked this movie. Like Braveheart, in the end I just felt clumsily bludgeoned by the blunt end of the film's premise.
ShinXari Yyyyyyyep. The argument over who "killed" Jesus is the most inane thing in a history of Biblical inanity.
I too grew up in a conservative christian household. My father was a fundamentalist preacher. Growing up I didn't see much *outright* antisemitism in the church, but that doesn't mean it wasn't there. In my teens, the hatred they had for many groups became more and more clear and culminated in my father telling me that "jews run the media and bias it against christians".
I never really got along with the church and tried to point out the hypocrisy as much as I could until I started getting beaten. Really soured organized religion for me. Wasn't till early adulthood that I started to even look into abrahamic theology again.
However, Jesus had always been an aspirational ideal for me. I idolized him as a rebel against church hierarchy and hatred. Someone who proposed a direct and personal relationship to the divine and loved all his fellow humans, especially those cast aside by larger society. A revolutionary who balked at material possessions or political power. Even in my secular life, Jesus was my role model. I wish American christianity felt the same.
When I was 12 my parents, aunts and uncles showed us this movie to me and my younger and older cousins, maybe because they wanted us to “believe” I didn’t care but one of my cousins started to cry, her mom and my mom were happy and telling her jesus died for her sins, yep my 6 year old cousin traumatized for life...
That's fucked up, there are even animated Jesus movies that portray the message of the Gospels better than this movie
Great... Let's show kindergarten aged toddlers the first 10 mins of "Saving Private Ryan", so that they may appreciate all the true horror, carnage and countless young lives sacrificed to secure their American freedom. That way they can really appreciate the great nation that's afforded them the following (privately commodified) nap time. Mr. Roger's Neighborhood has always far too satanic and woke anyway.
Seriously tho- I'm so sorry that that happened to you. That's just straight up child abuse. I can't get my head around what adult can watch this film and walk away without feeling abused and traumatized, nevermind a poor child. I don't understand how anyone can not understand, that in much the same way that is beyond unacceptable to screen actual p*rnography to minors, it is also in absolutely no way ever alright to be showing kids snuff fetishism exploitation film. Utterly abusive, creepy and ghoulish behaviour from such adults.... I'm so sorry, man.
First off why is everyone in this movie white?!
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If by white you mean your stereotypical white American, only one cast member falls into that category: Jim Caviezel, who played Jesus. Every other cast member is from Italy, Romania, Hungary, and other European and Middle Eastern countries.
@@noahperez7935 that's a weird comment
Jarreth Mertz, who portrays Simon of Cyrene, is of German and Ugandan descent. A nice but weak attempt at redeeming (badum--tss!) your reputation, Mr. Gibson
No, they are not. Watch it again.
Do you suppose you'll ever do Dogma? I mean, I'd love to see you tackle any Kevin Smith flick, but I think Dogma is by far his most fascinating (And best)
Great video. To me, it's disgusting how many Christians think this movie is good, or accurate, and even show it in seminars and the like trying to convert people. This is not the (not even a) Christian message. This is just a guy with deep, deep emotional problems enjoying to show brutality for brutality's sake.
Just a little detail: It's not Mary Magdalene who was about to be stoned to death, that's also Gibson's invention. The story with the adultress (only told in the gospel of John) doesn't say who the woman was and most likely is a later insertion anyway.
I keep thinking about that modern looking table he made
Not all jews hated Jesus, Joseph of Arimathea defended Jesus and saw to his burial.
Following Predator 2 with Passion of the Christ. That's some range for you.
I have to love this film purely because it gave birth to the South Park episode where Stan and Kenny try to get their money back from Mel Gibson.
I went through some spiritual trauma as a kid that sometimes still affects me today. Although these problems stem from more than just watching a film, I vividly remember this movie contributing to one of my religious mental breakdowns in High School.
I would legitimately love to see a Roshomon-style film of the gospels. I mean, really, how does that not already exist?
Incredibly eloquent and focused analysis. Brilliant work letting the historical facts speak for themselves. People get very emotional over this film, be it for or against, and it was a gratifying to watch such a point by point dissection.
Pilate was a thug and had no problem with crucifixion for anyone
This was the first rated R film I ever saw in theaters. when I was about 11 or 12 The film was promoted heavily in Christian circles, during church service as a must see family film 😖 along with lots of pro-Israel talk. Of corse I didn’t realize the magnitude of the whole experience at the time, but I do remember being deeply traumatized and horrified watching the film. Christians promote the suffering of Christ as if it’s their own personal cross to bare and some literally do! (There’s literal people who do walks carrying crosses) it’s dangerous tradition of white victim hood, and white supremest rhetortic being sold as “family values” and “wholesome morality”. This film plays into that 100%
I'd like to think that the real Jesus was like Brian from _Life of Brian._ He was just a normal guy that was conflated and deified by the absurdity of his time.
For a long time I was looking for a review to properly explain my distain for this movie as a Jew. Someone to affirm that I wasn't just being a "snowflake" and that this really is a gross and needlessly violent movie that indulges in hurtful stereotypes.
The thing is, I think JCS (Jesus Christ Superstar) did a much better job at portraying the characters, the story, and the message. It manages to look at a unique aspect of the story without even showing the resurrection, the album does fall slightly in some places, but nothing to this extreme of a level.
As a Jew I don't see Jesus as an enemy, or as someone to hate. He was a rabbi, a teacher, a man of God. I don't believe he was the Messiah but he definitely saw the corruption and pains of the time, he was as human as one can be, which is also why I like JCS a lot, because in that he is human, nothing but human, there is no divine, no god... Just a man doing what he thinks is right
I have to give Gibson credit for managing to get millions of Christians to watch a 2 hour torture porn.
I wonder if he made the trip to Golgotha based on Catholic stations of the cross, which can last up to an hour or more based on the church, depicting 15 moments of the trip to Golgotha and crucifixion
Also, I had to watch this as a 14 year old in my Catholic Christianity class in high school
Can confirm - Used to be an Episcopalian, turned out a Luciferian and a member of The Satanic Temple, lol.
We used to do stations of the cross around this time of the year (Lent), and I remember it took about an hour. We would read passages from the King James Bible about the story, and I think after Lent, I was baptized on Easter Vigil.
Being an Ex Christian gives you an interesting about of insight to this kinda stuff, lol
excellent video.
It was movies like this that questioned my faith, as it seemed it was being used for a sick, unholy agenda, rather than spreading “the word.” 2003-2005 was around the time I realized that I wasn’t “saved” by the church but being used and abused by the church’s newly opened political agenda.
I came to the conclusion that this disgusting, vengeful, propaganda was an extension to the bile that was being used in Jesus name, even he would abandon these monsters whom make crap like this movie, to extend and force their interpretation if the religion over America and next the world.
The Passion of 2004 helped quicken the end of my old identity and see the schemers whom cry about Christ for what they are. We know what that is.
That’s my 2¢
I just found and really appreciate your channel. Very good analysis and I love how you're great at bringing up relevant historical context and politics. I hope to be able to see media and research as well as this myself some day
In actuality, if the priests wanted to have Jesus killed, they wouldn’t have to turn him over to the Romans; they would have had him stoned in public. Crucifixion was specifically reserved for people for had committed crimes against the Roman state. In addition, many educated Jews would have also spoken Greek as well as Aramaic and, for the rabbinical class, classical Hebrew.
Wonderful video, Leon. I'm not religious so I tend to not understand the different gospels or know much about details of Biblical stories. This video explained a lot to me.
I've only watched Passion of the Christ once with a friend. We were both 17, were non religious, and got most of our understanding of Christianity from The Simpsons (I know it sounds like a joke but I'm not kidding), and we were so confused since we didn't know the story of Jesus' s crucifixion well. We also didn't know the story of what led to it, and I guess we assumed this film would answer that but it didn't, so we both came out of it confused and annoyed.
"All you had to do was have a really nice guy sent from God be tortured by a corrupt system and everything would have been fine"
Mel: *_Hate Speech Noises_*
I learnt more here than I remember ever learning in religious education classes at school (for two years we had one hour a week on all world religions tho and history classes only really covered the Holocaust when it comes to Jews.) Anyway, this was fascinating and very informative, thank you!
Did they not trust the audience to figure out that treating prisoners badly was bad, so they made the people against him to be weirdly cartoonish sadistic Captain Planet villains?
Well, the film is accurate in a way. Fear and shame have long been the central themes in much of christianity.
I saw this with my late father, a devout but not blindly ideological Catholic when it was first released. On the home, he and I discussed it. He was not impressed. He said that it wildly distorted the representation of the Bible and the Jewish people of that era.
I am in Catholic terms a lapsed Catholic or renounced Catholic. I thought it was historically inaccurate and had, as we say 17 years later, another agenda (or several other agendas).
My catholic school had all students sit and watch The Passion of The Christ and labelled it “essential viewing for your journey through Catholicism”. Honestly religious school are so fucked
Eric Cartman would hate this video!!
I love it.. great video..
I remember seeing this when I was young and basically going into shock over the torture scene, I legit closed my eyes for thrust of the film. Parents were fine with this
I remember as a teenager who was really into gore getting really bored by the torture scenes. Mel definitely had zero tact while he was making this film. I can only imagine what his interaction with the editor must've been like since the movie went on and on in numerous scenes.
I'm reminded of the "director's cut" which had quite a bit of the violence cut down (not that it makes much difference in some scenes), and I figured labeling it as a director's cut was some kind of mea culpa by Gibson to throw some of the backlash off. Joke's on him.
This is my favourite channel. Movies, hermeneutics, and biblical material, what more can I wish for?
I know this is an older video of yours but DAMN it's fire.
I grew up religious, and was forced to watch this film with a bunch of other children in my church. We had to have been under 13 at the time. At the time I thought that being exposed to this extreme violence was a way for me to truly realize what Jesus had done for us (or that's what I was TOLD I was supposed to be realizing.) but my whole life I've looked back on that experience and felt like it was an attempt to indoctrinate me into a hate movement.
For beginners, there is very little reason that children that young should be exposed to a film this brutal. The church knew it was violent, so they made our parents sign waivers before showing it to us. That should have been a red flag right there.
Also, I think that evangelicals get so riled up about Jesus being represented in ANYTHING mainstream media, that they don't look at religious media with a truly critical eye. "It's about Jesus! How bad can it be?"
Even as a young child I knew that something about this film didn't seem right. I was taught my whole life that Jesus's sacrifice was about saving humanity, and that it was nearly destined to happen. Yet here's the same church, making me watch a film that tries to blame Jews for everything. I couldn't talk to any of my friends after the film was over.
Years later I found out the person who forced us all to watch this film is a horrible anti-semite and racist. Womp womp.
Had to rewatch this with an ex and her recently converted mother. It was one of the most uncomfortable few hours I’ve lived through. I found the entire experience to be disgusting & exploitative.
I understand this. I watched watchmen with my girlfriend at time and her parents.
This movie reminds me of a meme I once saw around Christmastime: On one side, it had a picture of a wreath and said, "'Tis the season," and on the other side, it had the crown of thorns and said "'Tis the reason". That's all Jesus is to these twisted Christians, a blood sacrifice demanded by "an all-loving God" in order for us to be forgiven for the mistakes we make as humans. It never occurs to them that Jesus had an entire lifetime between his birth and death, that said lifetime was spent spreading a message of love, tolerance, and compassion, AND that all those things have to come from within ourselves and be shown to ourselves before we can extend them to others. In short, the makers and fans of this movie completely missed the point of what Jesus' life was all about.
That's all he is - a blood sacrifice like a lamb but a demigod (as in that's what he supposed to be biblically speaking)
"Remember kids: Jesus died for our sins. So, if you don't sin, he died for nothing." - Ricky Gervais
lol, Keeping it real!
Thats not funny
I hope you don’t take that statement seriously
@@ColtForteyFiveI hope they do, just to spite you
I've never wanted to see this movie considering that I expected that Gibson's hate would pollute it with bigotry. (I did research of the film though.)
The video review/essay does a thorough job of illustrating this thesis.
The animated, more 'Child friendly' version of the Passion I enjoyed on dvd in my Catholic youth had a disclaimer (or just a statement) at the very beginning that reminds the viewers (ie. Children) that Jesus and his followers were themselves jews and the actions of the Pharisees did not reflect the Jews at the time nor in modern day.
I once asked my sunday school teacher what he thought about the film. He said that while in other previews films Jesus just gets a few slaps and gets crucified in this one the viceral brutality ,showned before the crucificition , makes you more empathetic with him and also shows why the apostales where so terrifying ,denying him and hiding so not to sufer the same fate.
Will you also do Pasolini's Gospel according to St. Matthew?
I remember how our catechism classes glorified this movie to no end. They even started doing "passion plays" reenacting the story every easter.
Christians: what would be the best way to depict Jesus's ministry of peace and love for a mainstream audience?
Mel Gibson: a snuff film
The movie every Christian talks about. It's not terrible, but if this is supposed to "convert" people to some form of Christianity, it does it in the most malicious and manipulating way possible. This is not how you introduce human beings to the persona of an otherwise very human Jesus Christ. THIS is how you get them scared for the rest of their lives due to its unashamed guilt-tripping violence. People should learn about the real Jesus in scholar writings, historical records and careful study of the Gospels, doing all this with an open mind. A good place to start is "The Original Jesus: the life and vision of a revolutionary" by N.T. Wright. Anyways, excellent review Renegade Cut!
I actually watched this movie as a kid as it was one of the few rated R movies I was able to watch. The flogging scene was so brutal I could barely breathe while watching it.
right on point with your ending, chapeau
My hyper-religious school required me too watch this at the end of 7th grade. At the time, I still considered myself to be christian, but I remember sensing that this movie was a bunch of bullshit, and being really angry at my school for forcing such blood and gore on young students. The main feeling that I remember from the whole experience, was just disgust. I'm grateful to no longer be a part of that culture. Thanks for making such a well thought out analysis.
The Passion of the Christ is a two-hour, mainstream, big-budget snuff film. Plain and simple.
No, not literally the actual-videotaped-murder kind of snuff film, but it might as well be, because it appeals to the same perverse interest.
It's different than most films, even those rife with many deaths, because in most films, deaths are to advance or add gravity to the story. In Passion, some guy's gristly death _is_ the story.
It's not a movie about something, other than being about fetishizing the spectacle of a man being tortured to death as if this is a glorious event for us to be joyful for. That's a snuff film.
I'm so glad I found this channel. It's easily become one of my favorites
My dad decided to force me and my sister to watch this when we were... I don't remember - too young though - to "make us take Jesus' sacrifice seriously" or something. Would not recommend.
This is such a good analysis. I used to be Christian, and until this video, didn't realize how much anti-semite rhetoric was taught to me. I always thought that it was the Jews who killed Jesus, not the Romans. I never realized how problematic this false notion is. It was also great to hear an analysis on this movie, because even as a child, I remember it having its problems. I'm not up to watching it again, so I'm glad you did it for us. Thanks for your analysis!
To be honest, this is just the Christian version of ‘Saw’
I got an Israeli anti-abortion ad before the video...
I have nothing else to say, I just thought it was funny.
Another great film analysis.! love your work!
Had to watch this Movie in two go's. Geez this is Torture Porn, nothing more.
They showed this shit in my sophomore year. I went to a Christian high school and the “teacher” for the class believed that she could speak in “tongues”. This is why I believe religious high schools should be banned. I turned out ok but many didn’t
We watched and analyzed last temptation of Christ in my college philosophy class. Actually surprised by how good it was.
Magdelene wasn't the anonymous woman Jesus saved from stoning.
So are you saying that anti-Semitism was built into the source material (the Bible)
I mean, yeah, it's low-key there, but Gibson went ahead and plugged that into a solid state amplifier and did a two-hour wank solo onstage.
In general though, there's always gonna be problems later when a religious text involves a "destined" race or a "divine" lineage.
If you want to read a meditation about why Christianity (or at least some forms of the faith) became an anti-Semitic religion, see the chapter "Christianity as a Distinct, Anti-Jewish Religion" in "Jesus, Interrupted" by Bart D. Ehrman, pages 237-245.
I think Gibson disagrees with Vatican II. There are some hyper-traditionalist Catholics who reject it, apparently.
You know, a Rashomon-style version of the Bible actually sounds interesting...
taking notes so i can ruin easter dinner next year
I had mixed feelings after I first saw this film. Yes, there was abuse upon abuse upon abuse heaped inflicted on Christ but I looked at it as Christ was taking all of that pain and hatred for everyone's sake. In an odd way, it felt awe-inspiring that someone would receive such abuse for everyone.
On the other hand, the movie left me drained. Yes, Jesus rose at the end of the film, but all of the preceding events didn't leave me feeling happy or uplifted, just worn out.
EDIT: And yes, the part of the movie where Jesus carries the cross to Golgotha seemed to go on for too long.
Show of hands, who would watch a movie about Christ that's told Rashomon style?
ME!
The best and most effective way of keeping someone as Christian or Jew or Muslim is though fear, guilt, intimidation and ignorance.
In this case, it is to bait the so called “Christians” into feeling guilty of what their ancestors’ “sins” did to Jesus, but also to fear what is going to happen to them in hell if they abandon their faith or do not believe it. Of course, all this is just fiction, but it works well for its purpose. Sad!
The modern literal fundamentalist view of Jesus really makes his sacrifice seem insignificant. Basically he had a bad weekend and then went back being the ruler of the cosmos.
The other thing Passion got wrong was everyone's skin color.
how?
Your religious themed episodes are always my favorite
Should be categorized as a snuff fetishism exploitation film.
A movie about Jesus shot like Rashomon would be pretty cool, tbh.
the church I was part of had/has weekend retreats for newcomers, for people christians are trying to "bring into the fold" of "salvation"; they would play clips of this movie at the culmination of it, with very emotional music, and afterwards appeal to people if they wanted to let Jesus save them or not, if they accepted his sacrifice for mankind. yikes. the brainwashing is so... cult-like.
With respect to the scourging scene. Its historically accurate. Although the details of the scouring aren't mentioned in the Bible (and I don't blame some of the Apostles for not even mentioning of it in their Gospel due to the horrific nature thereof), there is prolific amounts of historic documentation as to what the Romans did to prisoners. This was a pre-medieval time period. There was little value on life in these parts and when the Romans wanted to make an example of someone, they did. Now the scourging is a violent and disgusting scene. Its supposed to be. This film is about Mel Gibson's love and worship of Christ and his portrayal of what he sees as the final hours of his Messiah. Gibson succeeds in this effort as this film is as masterful as any of Gibson's other works such as Braveheart or Apocalypto. The film is of Christ's last hours; of course its going to be horrific but it is well worth the viewing.
Yeah when it comes to religious texts, that's always a problem. This is why I focus on historical record of what the Romans did to prisoners. The OP was picking apart the film and Gison's artistic license but my main point was historical documentation on what the Romans did. They weren't kind and it lends to the gore found in Gibson's film.
Scourging scene is wildly unrealistic. No person could have endured that and lived. He would have bled to death from the cuts to his veins and arteries. He was whipped with the cat o nine tails over 100 times on one side alone, then they turned him over.... AFter that he carried a cross that was well over 300 pounds in that condition.
I'm not sure if he critiqued the accuracy of the scourging, what stuck out to me was his question of "Was it really necessary for Gibson to show it for as long as he did?" It boils down to what Gibson's goal was in making this film, which is a segue to the debate of whether a piece of art still belongs to the creator after its public debut, or does it belong to the public now. Do Gibson's intentions matter in the face of a viewer's personal interpretation? It's a lengthy discussion to be had. You could argue that Gibson just wanted to express his devotion, and honor Jesus's sacrifice. You could argue that he was trying to guilt people into renewing their faith or convert. Both are valid arguments, and are only 2 out many others that can also be valid. I never really put much thought into why Gibson made this film, much less why did he make it this way. I was 13 when this movie came out, and even after seeing it I did wonder briefly why Gibson felt he needed to make this movie. It's not telling a new story, there were many older movies on TV (usually aired around Good Friday and Easter) that told the exact same story, though in a less gruesome manner. What did he think he had to contribute in this movies that wasn't in other adaptations? I just figured maybe he thought previous adaptations didn't do the story, or Jesus's suffering justice, and left it at that.
The Gospels: "This is Jesus and this was his life"
Mel Gibson: "Ok, ima turn this into a Das Juden remake"
I love that the recommended next videos are Predator 2 and God is Not Dead. Perfection!
Also, Predator 2 is a far more accurate story of the Passion than the actual Passion. Truly, Detective Harrigan suffered and bled for our sins.
The fact that this film was lauded over the last temptation of christ is an amazing example of how terrible American christianity really is
American Christianity is notoriously extreme but this movie was lauded in all the Christian world, I saw it in Sunday school in Italy when I was 7 or so because the priest wanted to show us how "accurate" it was (needless to say, most moms weren't happy). This is because for how barbaric and racist as Passion is it also glorified Jesus and Christianity while Last Temptation (the objectively better movie) showed Jesus as an admirable but flawed human, which is considered sacrilegious by many Christians.
Read any comments on scenes of this film and you'll see "I'm not Christian but...", the guilt still works, what a vile film.
do you know any christian movie that are good and teach good morals? because the only one that comes to mind is trigun (and yes i know is an anime) because it teaches morality and not politics
thank you i will check him out
***** have you seen trigun?
i do recommend you watch it all you may like it more
i think you could make an episode on it
ok, your show your rules, and the last thing i will say about it, its one of those shows that gets better in the later episodes and most of the first episodes are funny filler which i like but i can see who you wouldn't but the later episode gets into some arguments about pacifism, nihilism and who the best of humanity can show even in the worst of situations
The book was better
Mel Gibson is clearly a deeply troubled and hate-filled, damaged man. And it affects his art, ho doubt. But I have to say, even with those caveats, this film does contain a few moments of sublime cinematic invention, and he's got some real directorial chops. The scene with the two thieves was beautifully staged and played (up until the crow comes along and almost ruins it), and the God's Eye Teardrop scene at Jesus' death gave me shivers like few movie moments prior to it... and I'm an atheist! LOL
Just speculating, but could this be the forerunner to the now common 'Christian' films that portray Christians largely as victims?
Love is all! *stomps on snake*
Thank you. I have seen Doug and Hagan review this, but Doug used the kid gloves and Hagan revelled in the exploitation (as she is wont to do) even as she tore it a new one, which ended up dulling the key point of how reprehensible this propaganda movie is.
I'm not sure.. but the Catholic scripture has a couple of books that the King James.... I love the movie.. but this is a great interpretation... of the truth.
Love it because it makes me feel closer to God.. when I question Him... great job on your channel..
Say what you want about the movie, but the cinematography is beautiful. Gibson got one thing right.
I wish Diamanda Hagan's excellent review of the movie was still available online. She makes lot of the same points, with dark humor added.
She apparently does have a copy somewhere. Hope she puts it on Nebula or something.