Tires reviewed. Cooper Discoverer at3 xlt. cooper discoverer ATP. Michelin defenders m/s. Sailun. Firestone Transforce HT. All tires tested 275 70 18. E rated.
Thanks for taking the time to prepare information for the video. Some guys just walk around the lot in the snow and stutter with feelings pulled out of their ass...
Thanks for making the video. I appreciate hearing real-world experience with each of these tires. It helps when you provide the context in how they are used too. (towing/hauling, weather conditions, speeds, etc)
I have cooper at/w that have maybe 20000 miles, they are worn to the point where I am not confident running them another winter, and they cracked between tread blocks first winter. They are p rated and it gets extremely cold here (-35°c ambient) so maybe that is a factor. One work truck I drove they ran Michelin xds2 245/75r19.5 steers and drives and they were fantastic in winter, but steers wouldn't last a full year. They would have to put last year's used drives on the steer to make it to October.
The Michelin m/s is almost as good as a winter tire in the snow and ice. I think they don't do well with heavier trucks. I have a set on my 4Runner and they currently have about 135k with around 50/50 hwy and city driving. But we are easy with our driving...
Interested to learn more about the Sailun tires. I am on a budget and I need to buy tires for my 2000 f350 4x4 7.3 cab and chassis service bed truck. I just put some on my gmc 3500 van. I guess they are ok? They seem to be better now with some miles on them. Bought them 4 months ago. Very stiff. 16 inch 10 ply. Maybe my steering sector is bad. My van has 200k on it. - anyways...I don’t understand why sailun and simple tire on eBay can’t explain whether the tires are E rated or not? Needing 235/85/16 e rated tires.
We've really liked the transforce for 3 season road rigs, they are wearing great and for the winter we've used Ko2s as well AS Grabber atx and love them both. Had the same experience with the Michelin, they ride good and give good mileage on the highway but no matter how often you rotate and align the trucks we had similar wear patterns. Not worth the price imo.
Whenever a "sales guy" is super pushing a tire and promoting it etc is when they are getting bonuses or "spiffs" on those particular units.. That's just the truth.. Never trust the salesmen... ALWAYS do your OWN research...
I used to sell tires. I was a tire pro actually. I had many repeat customers and I sold to huge fleets. I pushed tires based on my experience experience and my hours of reading trade magazines, talking to random people at gas stations, talking to fleet managers. I could knock truckers for driving unsafe and tailgating but thats only a percentage of them. Spiffs are nice but frankly repeat customers and word of mouth is where its at.
I am in the market for a set of tires for my dually so this vid came in handy. The Sailun tires ate the bees knees in the RV community. They out last their more expensive competitors and the grip is amazing.
mike jones Thx for recommendation. My ram is a street queen that I use to tow a 15k fifth wheel roughly 4-5 trips a year. Those stock nexens have taken a beating especially in the front.
HEY MAN - stop talking shit about american made tires. Ice has different friction coefficients so you can't compare easly and its also about the stronger chemistry in the XLT and the fact that your drivers do not deflate between asphalt and snow/ice - its critical for Coopers to do that to get that wow effect. If you want Ice... you should have got 4S - ua-cam.com/video/5pliLbJFyek/v-deo.html
Dacia Duster Trails firstly, if you are talking to me then you need to read the post. Not one time did I say anything negative regarding an “America made” tire. I have 25 dedicated years and counting in the military so don’t come here with your closed minded BS and shallow patriotism. As long as a product is good and exceeds my purchasing expectations then I can give two shits about where it is from. You don’t dictate shit here!
I do camper transport have gotten 140k out of 2 sets of the transforce HTs im noncdl tho average around 10k lb trailers tho. Got 110 out of cooper at3s
Have you ever run bfg commercial all seasons? They are supposed to be a high mileage tire and I have seen hot shoters say they get crazy mileage on them on 3/4 ton trucks. I have them on my 12valve and they have been holding up well, though i dont run hot shot but am usually towing 10-12k or hauling heavy payload 2k or 3k. It's a work truck exclusively.
Hey Paul have you seen these numbers for the new Ram 3500 aisin SRW. 25,150lbs towing and a GCWR of 33,610lbs and all rams with Cummins come with a 3.73 axle instead of the 3.42 axle.
Thank you very much for this video. My wife is working in North Dakota and i need to get her some tires for this winter. Any update on th cooper at3 tires?
Hi, maybe next time. You will appreciate how much better the traction is in cornering and still achieving the same mileage. 18,400lbs Toy hauler in tow still reached 118,000 km. Cheers
The problem with Chinese tires, or products in general isn't that they're all bad, it's that it's difficult to know what you're buying and if there is any kind of quality control. A few years ago I bought a used truck with Chinese "Pegasus" branded tires. It turned out that my tires were likely counterfeit. Apparently someone got ahold of the "Pegasus" molds and was producing substandard tires with them.
Can you tell us how does the cooper At3 LTX drive other than not good in ice? Are they more quiet? Do they last? Do they become noisy after 20000 miles?
What tire would you recommend for my 2015 Toyota Tundra sr5 iforce v8. I do a lot of high way driving and I have the BFGoodrich monsters and not my favorite.
I had Michelin all seasons premium top of the line (PREMIER MXV4) passager tires proudly made in CANADA. Haha! Great famous performance with a big famous name. It actually drives pretty good. Everything went south👎👇 In only 3 1/2 years dry rots with only about several hundreds of fine cracks lines on all sidewalls of all 4 tires smiling at me. Brought it back to COSTCO with its famous posted black and white powerful warranty behind their beans counter. They blamed me for all the dry rots and all the sidewalls cracks. With a big no no instore warranty claim or adjustment. They asked me a double edged sword question of " Do you use tire shine or not?" Guess what ? I said " YES". He replied back " You shouldn't be supposed to use any tire shine or rubber preservatives products ." They give me Michelin's own representatives toll free number to deal with me. The Michelin Co. representative tells me to go to one of their independent privately owned tire shop near me to get another evaluation. Guess what? The same tire dressing question? He ask me do I use any tire shine products again. I quickly realized it's a double-edged sword question. If you use tire dressing products, it means you are using chemicals are a no-no for the Michelin tires. If you said you don't use tire dressing products, which means you don't take care of your tires. It ends up another no and forfeit warranty claim. Then the Michelin tire rep, give me another tire shop located much farther away from this location for me to get another evaluation for warranty claim. I realize this is just another RUNABOUT GAME Michelin played to F#*k me up to get rid of me from warranty claim. No warranty claim on a 5 years FAMOUS Warranty. I will never look at MICHELIN tires again after this HALL OF SHAME GAME 🎮 they played on consumers like me.
@@pddieselpower i kinda wanted to go that direction but i havent used the at2 yet.just the originals.same goes for the bfg's,which i hear aren't that great on a diesel truck an wet roads
Softer tires= better grip in snow/ ice, wear quicker/ less mpg. Harder tires= more miles/ mpg, less traction in ice. Mud/ deep snow, the tread pattern matters the most.. ..I wish BFG All Terrains were available in Load Range E ;)
@@buickdude69 Curious as to how that's going for you? I am looking to start hotshot here soon. In fact I am scouring vids for the best tire to purchase with all the common expectations Mileage/handling/Price = Best bang for the dollar.
@@Mr69barracuda Long story. I was on the verge to pull the trigger on a start up. Had lines of credit, great credit FICO score, but very little in cash. I thought I was coming out a 3 year (at that time) litigation with an ex business partner and his cohorts who were laundring money. I was wrong, they didn't settle till last summer and what I got back was a drop in the bucket to what I'd lost. Anyway I'm building houses now and possibly may start a side business in drywall and construction services. As far as tires go, I'd look here on Paul's (PD Diesel Power) channel as he has covered this topic in several videos. Best of luck in your new adventure in hotshoting.
You got a bad run. Bf Goodrich had a bad batch of their commercial traction tires. It was only in certain sizes too. They were coming apart and exploding on the highway. Firestone had a big recall years back that everyone remembers. It happens. Something isn't caught in production and it isn't discovered until the tire fails. Hopefully cooper warrantied them.
Try NITTOS, I like mine so far, Ive had the same results with the Firestones and Michelins mileage wise, will never buy them again, have Nittos now and like them so far, wanted the highway tread but wasn't available, the ATs are very quite, check them out
about a year-and-a-half ago I bought a brand new set of Firestone transforce HT put them on a truck that I used to pull a one-car car trailer throughout the city streets of Phoenix everyday and I burned through them in 4 months , a friend of mine doing the same job went through his in three months , these tires are total crap tires don't buy them
@@pddieselpower I've had 3 new rams 2500 with the transforce at and ht both 18 and 20" rims no towing but gravel roads on the daily have yet to have a set live past 31k miles most are worn pretty bad much past 27k
spudth I’m right at 65000 on my 3500 Ram but I don’t tow over 12000lbs. Looking to get another 8 to 10. Wearing even and no lose of air. I run full pressure.
If you really want to do fair reviews for Chinese tires, I mean US made ones, not sure from what country are you from - then do something like this: ua-cam.com/video/5pliLbJFyek/v-deo.html
Well then, now we don’t know anymore than we did before......but thanks for trying. 🙊
Hey love your videos we live down under and the SAILUN is great value
Thanks for taking the time to prepare information for the video. Some guys just walk around the lot in the snow and stutter with feelings pulled out of their ass...
Yeah the way the data was prepared and delivered was on point
Thanks for making the video. I appreciate hearing real-world experience with each of these tires. It helps when you provide the context in how they are used too. (towing/hauling, weather conditions, speeds, etc)
I have cooper at/w that have maybe 20000 miles, they are worn to the point where I am not confident running them another winter, and they cracked between tread blocks first winter. They are p rated and it gets extremely cold here (-35°c ambient) so maybe that is a factor. One work truck I drove they ran Michelin xds2 245/75r19.5 steers and drives and they were fantastic in winter, but steers wouldn't last a full year. They would have to put last year's used drives on the steer to make it to October.
the coopers for me scalloped, aweful tires. now maybe these xlt are better than 4s but i doubt it.
Michelin is the WORST in long term ownerships. Those side walls cracks in no time. But pretty good traction.
The Michelin m/s is almost as good as a winter tire in the snow and ice. I think they don't do well with heavier trucks. I have a set on my 4Runner and they currently have about 135k with around 50/50 hwy and city driving. But we are easy with our driving...
Paul, about 10 minutes of Google and I have your numbers and location of your shop. Thanks for the videos. Amazing how many people watch you.
@@jdjonesiii why r people assholes? We may never know. Clearly u know nothing about running a business
Interested to learn more about the Sailun tires. I am on a budget and I need to buy tires for my 2000 f350 4x4 7.3 cab and chassis service bed truck. I just put some on my gmc 3500 van. I guess they are ok? They seem to be better now with some miles on them. Bought them 4 months ago. Very stiff. 16 inch 10 ply. Maybe my steering sector is bad. My van has 200k on it. - anyways...I don’t understand why sailun and simple tire on eBay can’t explain whether the tires are E rated or not? Needing 235/85/16 e rated tires.
We've really liked the transforce for 3 season road rigs, they are wearing great and for the winter we've used Ko2s as well AS Grabber atx and love them both. Had the same experience with the Michelin, they ride good and give good mileage on the highway but no matter how often you rotate and align the trucks we had similar wear patterns. Not worth the price imo.
Whenever a "sales guy" is super pushing a tire and promoting it etc is when they are getting bonuses or "spiffs" on those particular units.. That's just the truth.. Never trust the salesmen... ALWAYS do your OWN research...
Really? have a look at the 4S then - ua-cam.com/video/5pliLbJFyek/v-deo.html
I used to sell tires. I was a tire pro actually. I had many repeat customers and I sold to huge fleets. I pushed tires based on my experience experience and my hours of reading trade magazines, talking to random people at gas stations, talking to fleet managers. I could knock truckers for driving unsafe and tailgating but thats only a percentage of them.
Spiffs are nice but frankly repeat customers and word of mouth is where its at.
I am in the market for a set of tires for my dually so this vid came in handy. The Sailun tires ate the bees knees in the RV community. They out last their more expensive competitors and the grip is amazing.
I've Found that, The Pirelli Scorpion A/T Truck Tire are the Best for Loaded Haul, Longevity and Low Road Noise. 60,000 mile tread life.
I Hot Shot, with a Dually for a living and almost daily are hauling up to 26'000lbs
mike jones Thx for recommendation. My ram is a street queen that I use to tow a 15k fifth wheel roughly 4-5 trips a year. Those stock nexens have taken a beating especially in the front.
HEY MAN - stop talking shit about american made tires. Ice has different friction coefficients so you can't compare easly and its also about the stronger chemistry in the XLT and the fact that your drivers do not deflate between asphalt and snow/ice - its critical for Coopers to do that to get that wow effect. If you want Ice... you should have got 4S - ua-cam.com/video/5pliLbJFyek/v-deo.html
Dacia Duster Trails firstly, if you are talking to me then you need to read the post. Not one time did I say anything negative regarding an “America made” tire. I have 25 dedicated years and counting in the military so don’t come here with your closed minded BS and shallow patriotism. As long as a product is good and exceeds my purchasing expectations then I can give two shits about where it is from. You don’t dictate shit here!
is the cooper Discoverer LT not good on ice?🙁
Reminder: Tooken is not a word. Taken is always the word to use.
Thanks Dave
Paul, what PSI you run on your personal truck driving around with ( no ) trailer?
Okay, comparing the Michelin Defenders M/S to the Michelin Agilis, which is your go-to tire?
Only thing to help with ice 🧊 is studs or chain .. doesn’t matter what tire you have .. I’ve had em all A/T M/T H/T doesn’t matter ..
The KING OF TIRES is falling.
Reason ? One put lots of money in their advertisement, not in quality
I will never buy Michelin. I'm not going to pay a premium for tires that dry rot.
I do camper transport have gotten 140k out of 2 sets of the transforce HTs im noncdl tho average around 10k lb trailers tho. Got 110 out of cooper at3s
Have you ever run bfg commercial all seasons? They are supposed to be a high mileage tire and I have seen hot shoters say they get crazy mileage on them on 3/4 ton trucks. I have them on my 12valve and they have been holding up well, though i dont run hot shot but am usually towing 10-12k or hauling heavy payload 2k or 3k. It's a work truck exclusively.
Can you address the ram shake please. I can’t fix mine at all.
Hey Paul,
Have you run the Toyo Open Country AT2 extreme on any of your trucks?
Yes maybe a stronger light next time, I'd really like to see writing on the tires, many thanks for the great video, I'm grateful.👍
Thank you
Have you try good year wrangler? Great info! Thanks for video!
I heard good things about the good year wranglers. Never tried em.
Thanks for the support.
Goodyear’s are complete junk
Hey Paul have you seen these numbers for the new Ram 3500 aisin SRW. 25,150lbs towing and a GCWR of 33,610lbs and all rams with Cummins come with a 3.73 axle instead of the 3.42 axle.
No I haven't seen or heard of those numbers. That's impressive numbers.
Thank you very much for this video. My wife is working in North Dakota and i need to get her some tires for this winter. Any update on th cooper at3 tires?
Falken Wildpeak AT3W
Dave LaRiviere I ended up putting Toyo open country ct on her truck. Couple different shops recommended them.
Hi, maybe next time. You will appreciate how much better the traction is in cornering and still achieving the same mileage.
18,400lbs Toy hauler in tow still reached 118,000 km.
Cheers
I run Falken wild-peak at3, give them a try, let me know what u think. Can’t beat the value. 160 mounted here in NY
I also like experimenting with tires. Some of the Chinese ones are good.
The problem with Chinese tires, or products in general isn't that they're all bad, it's that it's difficult to know what you're buying and if there is any kind of quality control.
A few years ago I bought a used truck with Chinese "Pegasus" branded tires. It turned out that my tires were likely counterfeit. Apparently someone got ahold of the "Pegasus" molds and was producing substandard tires with them.
That Made in USA on the Cooper sidewall 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Can you tell us how does the cooper At3 LTX drive other than not good in ice? Are they more quiet? Do they last? Do they become noisy after 20000 miles?
my factory rims can support 275 and 285 18’s. run 285 65 18 now debating going to the 275 70 18 for tad more height. dont care about the width.
You would be fine running the 275s. Might even be able to fit 285s.
What tire would you recommend for my 2015 Toyota Tundra sr5 iforce v8. I do a lot of high way driving and I have the BFGoodrich monsters and not my favorite.
I would get the more aggressive tread patter like cooper discovery at3 for ice
7:10- what is going on with the exhaust?!?! See that🧐
Have you ever looked into Falken wildpeak AT3W
Love my wildpeaks
What do you think of the Cooper True North??
Suggestion... Dont do your videos while drinking
Have you had good year wrangler durtrac tires on any truck? How many miles on them if so?
Nope
i have duratracs on my 3500 ram, love them in the snow, they hook up a billion times better then the stock transjunk at's
what is your recommendation? i should buy the Sailun tires? do you recommend?
All depends on what you do with your truck
@@pddieselpower i need this tires for regular uses, the principal travels will make in cities, no more.
@@pddieselpower but y don't hace the truck, i have the SUV, thank u for your help
You ever try any of this tires
firestone transforce ht2
Bridgestone Duravis R500 HD
Bridgestone Duravis M700
I did m700 on a second gen cummins. Awesome tires. But never tried them on other trucks. Hopefully I'll get a set soon on a hs truck.
had the m700 on my 2015 chevy 2500 stock... they are a upgrade with the plow package. great on road, but wore fast and are useless in any mud.
Have you seen the toyo open country wlt1? It's a commercial winter tire designed for heavy loads and icy roads.
I have cooper's ... 16ply. The better tire
16ply on a 17 inch wheel?
Alexander Collado 19.5's
Okay. Thanks
Do you delete your trucks?
I’ve had Two sets of Michlems dry rot
I had Michelin all seasons premium top of the line (PREMIER MXV4) passager tires proudly made in CANADA.
Haha!
Great famous performance with a big famous name.
It actually drives pretty good.
Everything went south👎👇
In only 3 1/2 years dry rots with only about several hundreds of fine cracks lines on all sidewalls of all 4 tires smiling at me.
Brought it back to COSTCO with its famous posted black and white powerful warranty behind their beans counter.
They blamed me for all the dry rots and all the sidewalls cracks. With a big no no instore warranty claim or adjustment.
They asked me a double edged sword question of " Do you use tire shine or not?"
Guess what ?
I said " YES".
He replied back " You shouldn't be supposed to use any tire shine or rubber preservatives products ."
They give me Michelin's own representatives toll free number to deal with me.
The Michelin Co. representative tells me to go to one of their independent privately owned tire shop near me to get another evaluation.
Guess what? The same tire dressing question?
He ask me do I use any tire shine products again.
I quickly realized it's a double-edged sword question.
If you use tire dressing products, it means you are using chemicals are a no-no for the Michelin tires.
If you said you don't use tire dressing products, which means you don't take care of your tires.
It ends up another no and forfeit warranty claim.
Then the Michelin tire rep, give me another tire shop located much farther away from this location for me to get another evaluation for warranty claim.
I realize this is just another RUNABOUT GAME Michelin played to F#*k me up to get rid of me from warranty claim.
No warranty claim on a 5 years FAMOUS Warranty.
I will never look at MICHELIN tires again after this HALL OF SHAME GAME 🎮 they played on consumers like me.
So whats the best at tire on a dually hauling a 15k lb 5th wheel camper? Occasional mud an wintery conditions.
Personally at this point. I would say toyo open country at2
@@pddieselpower i kinda wanted to go that direction but i havent used the at2 yet.just the originals.same goes for the bfg's,which i hear aren't that great on a diesel truck an wet roads
Softer tires= better grip in snow/ ice, wear quicker/ less mpg. Harder tires= more miles/ mpg, less traction in ice. Mud/ deep snow, the tread pattern matters the most.. ..I wish BFG All Terrains were available in Load Range E ;)
Wildpeak AT3W!
You won't look back.
Thank you. . Paul, is it ok to run a single rear wheel 3500 pulling 17,000 lb CDL loads doing hotshot instead of a dually?
buickdude69 It should be absolutely fine
I would do srw. Once over 20k I would say go drw
PD Diesel Power Paul, greatly appreciate all the helpful information. You’ve been an inspiration to start my own transportation business.
@@buickdude69 Curious as to how that's going for you?
I am looking to start hotshot here soon. In fact I am scouring vids for the best tire to purchase with all the common expectations Mileage/handling/Price = Best bang for the dollar.
@@Mr69barracuda Long story. I was on the verge to pull the trigger on a start up. Had lines of credit, great credit FICO score, but very little in cash. I thought I was coming out a 3 year (at that time) litigation with an ex business partner and his cohorts who were laundring money. I was wrong, they didn't settle till last summer and what I got back was a drop in the bucket to what I'd lost. Anyway I'm building houses now and possibly may start a side business in drywall and construction services. As far as tires go, I'd look here on Paul's (PD Diesel Power) channel as he has covered this topic in several videos. Best of luck in your new adventure in hotshoting.
I will NEVER buy a cooper tire ever again, both sets have come apart.
You got a bad run. Bf Goodrich had a bad batch of their commercial traction tires. It was only in certain sizes too. They were coming apart and exploding on the highway. Firestone had a big recall years back that everyone remembers. It happens. Something isn't caught in production and it isn't discovered until the tire fails. Hopefully cooper warrantied them.
I guess I got lucky on getting two bad batches nine years apart.
@@joeleonardo3742 which tire was it?
The big o tires
@@joeleonardo3742 i mean which cooper model was it.
Thanks for showing us a bunch of used tires. I don't have a clue as to what you're are mumbling about.
Try NITTOS, I like mine so far, Ive had the same results with the Firestones and Michelins mileage wise, will never buy them again, have Nittos now and like them so far, wanted the highway tread but wasn't available, the ATs are very quite, check them out
Thanks for the heads up
So.. 3 years later - what are your tire Preferences for year round Hotshot?
about a year-and-a-half ago I bought a brand new set of Firestone transforce HT put them on a truck that I used to pull a one-car car trailer throughout the city streets of Phoenix everyday and I burned through them in 4 months , a friend of mine doing the same job went through his in three months , these tires are total crap tires don't buy them
Thanks for the heads up
@@pddieselpower I've had 3 new rams 2500 with the transforce at and ht both 18 and 20" rims no towing but gravel roads on the daily have yet to have a set live past 31k miles most are worn pretty bad much past 27k
60,000 mile warranty
Shit the coopers don't do good on wet grass.i have cooper at3 and thay suck on wet grass and ice too. And there loud on the road.
this guy had to be stoned when he made this ????? he said nothing but babbling bullshit???????
What a complete waste of time, time that I will never get back.
Michelin LTX M/S
spudth I’m right at 65000 on my 3500 Ram but I don’t tow over 12000lbs. Looking to get another 8 to 10. Wearing even and no lose of air. I run full pressure.
I can't justify buying Michelin as they dryrot like hell
Michelins are king
What about the bf ko2
If you really want to do fair reviews for Chinese tires, I mean US made ones, not sure from what country are you from - then do something like this: ua-cam.com/video/5pliLbJFyek/v-deo.html
Olm.
Dude ur wrong Michelin suck on ice
All them tires throw them out
Michelin good on Ice? There isn't a single michelin tire in history that is more than average in winter. They are horribly over rated and over priced.