Again to believe does not mean to be born again first of all anybody that believes must be of the faith of Jesus Christ it was stated that Thomas believed because he had seen but blessed are those who believe and yet have not seen
And to be born again has to be dead to sin. Belief is having confidence in a place or a thing. For instance your favorite hair stylist restaurant Park etc. Believe can have the action of Faith or not. Only those of the Christ Jesus have faith all others do not not all men have faith. The face that we have is the faith that is of Jesus himself
Amen, and simple truth is, belief has ever been the determining factor for salvation, and it ever bemuses me, that one had to make Jesus Lord, as Jesus is already Lord. God bless.
Joel Osteen is what I like to call the *_"Unholy Trinity"_* of Lordship, Calvinism & WOF Movement all wrapped up in a destructive pretty little package! he's a good motivational speaker and nothing more. God Bless ya'll Pastor Jesse & Trent! 🙏🙏🙏💯💓
I’d recommend studying what the doctrines of grace are. Derived completely from scripture Just read Gods word it speaks for itself Human reasoning is subject to the word of God The word of God is not subject to human reasoning We must bow our reasoning to the authority of the word of God It is the ultimate authority One of the early complaints was a philosophical human reasoning, and it started with classical Arminianism Yes Joel olsteen is a flaming wolf and false teacher That’s very evident
The “prayer of salvation” caused a lot of stress in my life. Wish I would have just taken God at His word and just believed. I’m not against prayer, but that’s where the focus is on and not just believing which is a huge mistake.
Yeah, there isn’t necessarily anything wrong with trusting Christ in the format of prayer, but it needs to be clearly explained. I trusted in Christ with my head bowed whilst we were in silence/praying. Yet I understood that I had to believe in Jesus (not just repeat the pastor); it wasn’t vain repetition of any sort. Joel can tell people to pray all he wants, but he needs to use clear biblical explanation of the truth… which is what he does not do. Thanks for sharing. - Trent
When the jailer asked the Apostle Paul What must I do to be saved, Paul didn't respond Repent Of Your Sins and make Jesus lord of your life. He simply said Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved. He doesn't complicate things at all. It's simple to surrender your life to Jesus. Thank you Pastor. Great content as always
BELIEF WITHOUT WORKS BY YOUR FAITH IS DEAD/VAIN/USELESS JAMES : YOU FOOLISH PERSON, DO YOU WANT PROOF/EVIDENCE THAT FAITH/BELIEF WITHOUT WORKD/DEEDS IS VAIN USELESS/DEAD??????? EVEN DEMONS BELIEF/HAVE FAITH, THATS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!!!!! JOHN 3:16 IS THE MOST ABUSED AND TWISTED SCRIPTURE SATAN USES TO LEAD MANY ASTRAY FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. HEBREWS 3 HEBREWS 10 1 JOHN 3 NO MAN CAN BOAST IN ANY WORKS, BUT THEY WILL BE REQUIRED AND JUDGED ONLY BY GOD...... YOU CAN BE SURE.... ANOTHER ABUSED SCRIPTURE IS ,, ALL WHO CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED,, WHEN GOD SAYS OTHERWISE,, WHY DO YOU CALL ,ME LORD LORD LORD BUT DO NOT DO WHAT I SAY, AWAY FROM ME YOU WORKERS OF SIN, I NEVER KNEW YOU. 1 JOHN 3 ANYONE WHO SAYS THEY ARE A BELIEVER BUT CONTINUES TO DELIBERATELY SIN, HAS NEVER KNOWN GOD PERIOD, AND THIS IS HOW YOU KNOW AND CAN DISTINGUISH WHO THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL ARE AND WHO THE CHILDREN OF GOD ARE HAVE WE FORGET PAUL SAID, I THANK GOD I DIDN'T BAPTISE ANY OF YA!!!!!! THIS IS BECAUSE OF DELIBERATE PRACTICE OF SIN. HEBREWS 3 DO NOT LET ANYONE TRY TO EXCUSE SIN....!!!!!!! IF WE PRACTICE ANY DELIBERATE SIN , WE HAVE ABUSE THE FREE GIFT OF GRACE AND THAT FREE GIFT OF GRACE NO LONGER REMAINS, AND WE HAVE TRAMPLED ON THE SACRIFICE JESUS CHRIST MADE FOR OUR SIN, AND CHRIST'S SACRIFICE NO LONGER REMAINS, FOR THEY HAVE TREATED THE BLOOD SHED COVENANT CHRIST MADE FOR THEIR SIN AS AN UNHOLY THING, AND THE HAVE TRAMPLED UNDERFOOT THE SON OF GOD, AND HAVE INSULTED THE SPIRIT OF GRACE, BUT SHOULD INSTEAD EXPECT THE FEARFUL EXPECTATION OF FIREY JUDGEMENT AND WRATH IF WE PRACTICE ANY DELIBERATE SIN , WE HAVE ABUSE THE FREE GIFT OF GRACE AND THAT FREE GIFT OF GRACE NO LONGER REMAINS, AND WE HAVE TRAMPLED ON THE SACRIFICE JESUS CHRIST MADE FOR OUR SIN, AND CHRIST'S SACRIFICE NO LONGER REMAINS, FOR THEY HAVE TREATED THE BLOOD SHED COVENANT CHRIST MADE FOR THEIR SIN AS AN UNHOLY THING, AND THE HAVE TRAMPLED UNDERFOOT THE SON OF GOD, AND HAVE INSULTED THE SPIRIT OF GRACE, BUT SHOULD INSTEAD EXPECT THE FEARFUL EXPECTATION OF FIREY JUDGEMENT AND WRATH
You’re not justified by “surrendering your life to Jesus,” but by faith alone. But, upon believing, you will walk by the Spirit and the first step of walking in faith is calling on the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ. This is the most basic elementary step of faith as a new creation in Christ. You aren’t a Christian if you refuse to pray and confess Jesus as the Son of God, as Lord.
I said the prayer of salvation and got saved, not because of the prayer of salvation but because I knew I was a sinner and needed a saviour I truly believed this and asked Jesus to save me, now there was mention of repenting of my sins, and asking Jesus into my heart , in this prayer but despite that, I was still saved, I received the Holy Spirit into me immediately because God sees the heart, and knows when we are sincere in something even when we might say the wrong things. Yes it would be preferable if this prayer of salvation or miracle prayer was not around because it can confuse many needlessly.
Amen brother! Salvation is not by prayer or confession. Neither is it by making a promise or any commitment. But it is simply by Faith Alone in Christ Alone. It is really sad that so many today corrupt the Gospel and its simplicity.
@tavis4003 confession is not part of eternal salvation. Now Confession should come after Salvation. As it is important in the Believer's Walk. But it has no part of Salvation. God only accepts Faith in Christ. Faith is the only thing which is Non-meritorious
BELIEF WITHOUT WORKS BY YOUR FAITH IS DEAD/VAIN/USELESS JAMES : YOU FOOLISH PERSON, DO YOU WANT PROOF/EVIDENCE THAT FAITH/BELIEF WITHOUT WORKD/DEEDS IS VAIN USELESS/DEAD??????? EVEN DEMONS BELIEF/HAVE FAITH, THATS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!!!!! JOHN 3:16 IS THE MOST ABUSED AND TWISTED SCRIPTURE SATAN USES TO LEAD MANY ASTRAY FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. HEBREWS 3 HEBREWS 10 1 JOHN 3 NO MAN CAN BOAST IN ANY WORKS, BUT THEY WILL BE REQUIRED AND JUDGED ONLY BY GOD...... YOU CAN BE SURE.... ANOTHER ABUSED SCRIPTURE IS ,, ALL WHO CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED,, WHEN GOD SAYS OTHERWISE,, WHY DO YOU CALL ,ME LORD LORD LORD BUT DO NOT DO WHAT I SAY, AWAY FROM ME YOU WORKERS OF SIN, I NEVER KNEW YOU. 1 JOHN 3 ANYONE WHO SAYS THEY ARE A BELIEVER BUT CONTINUES TO DELIBERATELY SIN, HAS NEVER KNOWN GOD PERIOD, AND THIS IS HOW YOU KNOW AND CAN DISTINGUISH WHO THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL ARE AND WHO THE CHILDREN OF GOD ARE HAVE WE FORGET PAUL SAID, I THANK GOD I DIDN'T BAPTISE ANY OF YA!!!!!! THIS IS BECAUSE OF DELIBERATE PRACTICE OF SIN. HEBREWS 3 DO NOT LET ANYONE TRY TO EXCUSE SIN....!!!!!!! IF WE PRACTICE ANY DELIBERATE SIN , WE HAVE ABUSE THE FREE GIFT OF GRACE AND THAT FREE GIFT OF GRACE NO LONGER REMAINS, AND WE HAVE TRAMPLED ON THE SACRIFICE JESUS CHRIST MADE FOR OUR SIN, AND CHRIST'S SACRIFICE NO LONGER REMAINS, FOR THEY HAVE TREATED THE BLOOD SHED COVENANT CHRIST MADE FOR THEIR SIN AS AN UNHOLY THING, AND THE HAVE TRAMPLED UNDERFOOT THE SON OF GOD, AND HAVE INSULTED THE SPIRIT OF GRACE, BUT SHOULD INSTEAD EXPECT THE FEARFUL EXPECTATION OF FIREY JUDGEMENT AND WRATH IF WE PRACTICE ANY DELIBERATE SIN , WE HAVE ABUSE THE FREE GIFT OF GRACE AND THAT FREE GIFT OF GRACE NO LONGER REMAINS, AND WE HAVE TRAMPLED ON THE SACRIFICE JESUS CHRIST MADE FOR OUR SIN, AND CHRIST'S SACRIFICE NO LONGER REMAINS, FOR THEY HAVE TREATED THE BLOOD SHED COVENANT CHRIST MADE FOR THEIR SIN AS AN UNHOLY THING, AND THE HAVE TRAMPLED UNDERFOOT THE SON OF GOD, AND HAVE INSULTED THE SPIRIT OF GRACE, BUT SHOULD INSTEAD EXPECT THE FEARFUL EXPECTATION OF FIREY JUDGEMENT AND WRATH
Osteen no doubt has led millions of people to curiosity/longing for Christ, like his colleagues on TV. There's an ironic tragedy here with Osteen: - His Christian living/motivation & coping in the world sermons are brilliant. His heart seems to be in the right place. The last 24 seconds every week he unfortunately completely screws up, as you've just elucidated on. Saints:- believe biblically as per Acts 16:31 , watch his motivational message, & then ignore the last 24seconds of his broadcast.
No doubt Joel says some good things, and he has very encouraging sermons. Nevertheless, we point out the error because I’d rather people go to heaven absolutely down and discouraged than be encouraged to enter into hell. Blunt statement, but we want to keep people from eternal hellfire. Thanks - Trent
APOSTLE PAULS WRITINGS AR HARD FOR SOME TO UNDERSTAND , AND THEY TWIST THE WORD OF GOD TO THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION .........TIMOTHY BELIEF WITHOUT WORKS BY YOUR FAITH IS DEAD/VAIN/USELESS JAMES : YOU FOOLISH PERSON, DO YOU WANT PROOF/EVIDENCE THAT FAITH/BELIEF WITHOUT WORKD/DEEDS IS VAIN USELESS/DEAD??????? EVEN DEMONS BELIEF/HAVE FAITH, THATS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!!!!! JOHN 3:16 IS THE MOST ABUSED AND TWISTED SCRIPTURE SATAN USES TO LEAD MANY ASTRAY FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. HEBREWS 3 HEBREWS 10 1 JOHN 3 NO MAN CAN BOAST IN ANY WORKS, BUT THEY WILL BE REQUIRED AND JUDGED ONLY BY GOD...... YOU CAN BE SURE.... ANOTHER ABUSED SCRIPTURE IS ,, ALL WHO CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED,, WHEN GOD SAYS OTHERWISE,, WHY DO YOU CALL ,ME LORD LORD LORD BUT DO NOT DO WHAT I SAY, AWAY FROM ME YOU WORKERS OF SIN, I NEVER KNEW YOU. 1 JOHN 3 ANYONE WHO SAYS THEY ARE A BELIEVER BUT CONTINUES TO DELIBERATELY SIN, HAS NEVER KNOWN GOD PERIOD, AND THIS IS HOW YOU KNOW AND CAN DISTINGUISH WHO THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL ARE AND WHO THE CHILDREN OF GOD ARE HAVE WE FORGET PAUL SAID, I THANK GOD I DIDN'T BAPTISE ANY OF YA!!!!!! THIS IS BECAUSE OF DELIBERATE PRACTICE OF SIN. HEBREWS 3 DO NOT LET ANYONE TRY TO EXCUSE SIN....!!!!!!! IF WE PRACTICE ANY DELIBERATE SIN , WE HAVE ABUSE THE FREE GIFT OF GRACE AND THAT FREE GIFT OF GRACE NO LONGER REMAINS, AND WE HAVE TRAMPLED ON THE SACRIFICE JESUS CHRIST MADE FOR OUR SIN, AND CHRIST'S SACRIFICE NO LONGER REMAINS, FOR THEY HAVE TREATED THE BLOOD SHED COVENANT CHRIST MADE FOR THEIR SIN AS AN UNHOLY THING, AND THE HAVE TRAMPLED UNDERFOOT THE SON OF GOD, AND HAVE INSULTED THE SPIRIT OF GRACE, BUT SHOULD INSTEAD EXPECT THE FEARFUL EXPECTATION OF FIREY JUDGEMENT AND WRATH IF WE PRACTICE ANY DELIBERATE SIN , WE HAVE ABUSE THE FREE GIFT OF GRACE AND THAT FREE GIFT OF GRACE NO LONGER REMAINS, AND WE HAVE TRAMPLED ON THE SACRIFICE JESUS CHRIST MADE FOR OUR SIN, AND CHRIST'S SACRIFICE NO LONGER REMAINS, FOR THEY HAVE TREATED THE BLOOD SHED COVENANT CHRIST MADE FOR THEIR SIN AS AN UNHOLY THING, AND THE HAVE TRAMPLED UNDERFOOT THE SON OF GOD, AND HAVE INSULTED THE SPIRIT OF GRACE, BUT SHOULD INSTEAD EXPECT THE FEARFUL EXPECTATION OF FIREY JUDGEMENT AND WRATH
“Just believe” just doesn’t seem not enough and it doesn’t align with the scripture that says “only a few will enter the Narrow Gates of Heaven” if we all just need say: “I Believe”.
It’s belief without works. Some believe, but they also believe that their works are enough. It has to be faith alone in Christ alone who died for your sins. It isn’t the faith that saves, but it is the object of your faith: Jesus Christ. It’s not believing in his existence, but it’s believing He is the Son of God who paid your sin debt in full by his DBR on the cross. He gives eternal life to the believer. Few probably solely believe this message; especially in my personal witnessing experience. - Trent
One scripture has been really confusing me. Acts 2:38. Peter says repent , be baptized, and you will be saved and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. What are we to make of this?
I think Billy Graham preached the true Gospel and many believed as a result of his evangelism….. I can simply become a believer and be saved even if I prayed a request with the preacher (sinners prayer) with all sincerity can’t I ?
Yes, Joel is wrong and didn't explained clearly. What we can do pray for him and thank for this video so Joel can watch and learn the mistake. God bless ♥️🎁💜🙏
The Bible doesn’t say you live on a planet of ball that spins in space but most Christians believe that do you know why they believe that I think you do I think you know now that you got sucked up and believing that you live on a planet and I think when you wake up and you realize what the Earth is and what that blue sky is, then you’re gonna be upset that you were taught in schoolI’m amazed. You haven’t figured it out yet.
Confession is not the gospel. That chapter is dealing with physical salvation from the destruction of Jerusalem. Confession is nor art of salvation from hell.
I would never defend osteen as a good truthful bible preacher. however, I see nothing wrong with a sinner's prayer if someone asks how to pray about it to God , as a declaration of their new beliefs. unbelievers wouldn't know how to repent or how to talk to God without some bible verses to help them right? if we believe in our hearts God raised Jesus from the dead and confess with our mouths Jesus is Lord , then we will be saved.
Help me understand this statement of faith, please. It sounds like it has "works" included in it. Salvation and the Spirit-Filled Life: We believe that Jesus Christ is God’s only provision for our salvation. He voluntarily offered himself as our representative and substitute, and suffered and died on the cross in our place - taking upon himself God’s righteous wrath. We believe in his bodily resurrection on the third day, which powerfully declared him to be the Son of God. By his death and resurrection, Jesus once for all conquered sin, death, hell, and the devil. We believe that Christ is the atoning sacrifice for the sins of the whole world. Salvation is a divine gift given to any who repent and believe. Repentance and faith are the divinely-enabled human responses to the grace of God. By the power of the Holy Spirit, a sinner must turn away from sin and embrace God - thus appropriating the benefits of Christ’s life, death and resurrection. All who truly believe and receive Christ are fully justified, reconciled to God, born of his Spirit, adopted as his children, and united with Jesus in his death and resurrection. They will one day see him in his glory and be glorified themselves, as God brings his redemptive work to completion. We believe that God intends to transform his redeemed people by conforming them to the image of his Son through the infilling and sanctifying work of his Holy Spirit. Though this work begins with God’s gracious initiative and can only be accomplished by his life-giving power, believers must cooperate and fully yield themselves to the Lordship of Christ. Believers are called to decisively surrender their wills, be renewed in their minds, and have their hearts purified as they continuously offer themselves as living sacrifices to God. We believe that a living faith must express itself in a life of loving obedience to God and in loving service to others. Genuine faith will inevitably produce good works, which are born out of gratitude for salvation and ultimately done for God’s glory. Christians are called to live by the power of the Holy Spirit as citizens of the kingdom, serving as God’s agents of transformation for society, culture, and the created world.🤔
It is full of lies and do not embrace any of it at all. Comes across as Calvinism to me. Clues it is a lie: Turn away from sin, lie. Repentance and faith are the divinely-enabled human responses to the grace of God, yes; but from the Calvinist view, they claim a person must be given faith as a gift first, claiming faith is the gift instead of Jesus Christ sacrifice. Lie. Should a believer live a life honoring to God, yes, but in reality all people should live that way. We can't use how a person lives to prove they are saved or not, because it is through simple faith in Christ alone for our salvation for heaven. Yet it is better to lead a good life to be good examples to others of God's goodness and power, but never required or forced to any believer.. Example: A person that lies all the time will never be able to give out the gospel and have people listen, since they are known as a lair.
Renneth gave a solid response. It’s totally Calvinistic and Lordship. Essentially you need to turn from sin and live a genuine faith lifestyle or you were never truly saved. That’s insane, and it is impossible. Faith alone (with repentance, sure, but repentance is simply a change of mind… not a turn from sin…) in Christ alone is what saved. When you believe, you change your mind from unbelief. Salvation is free. This doctrinal statement is in great error. - Trent
So many hair-splitters and people who haven’t read the Bible here... “with the mouth one confesses and is saved.” “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” “no one can say ‘Jesus is Lord’ except by the Holy Spirit.”
@onwave (Romans 3:24 KJV) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (Romans 3:25 KJV) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; (Romans 3:26 KJV) To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. This is the gospel. If you add prayer or anything else to the gospel your adding a work to it. That's not splitting its the word of God
Bud, you’re splitting the book of Romans itself. How someone can sit and read the Bible deny what it says plainly… either you’re really young and still learning or your a spirit of antichrist.
@onwave it's called righty dividing. Romans is laid out in perfect order. God is a God of order. Salvation is laid out perfectly in the first 4 chapters. Then chapters 6 7 8 are our walk after Salvation. Chapters 9 10 11 are dealing with Isreal.
Nit picking on Joel Osteen words - obsessing with a couple of verses in the Bible- as if there is absolute single interpretation of the Bible- You hold the truth? No. You don’t. All you have is your interpretation of a couple of verses in the Bible. Joel would use a couple of other different Bible verses to back up his prayer. The Bible allows for different arguments to be made and debates never end with one verse. Jesus comes to our hearts. That sounds right to me. The Bible which is a translation of another translation - From English to Greek to Arameic- Nit picking on words does not save souls Stop coming after Joel. Stop envying him. Focus on your own gifts from God. God talks to each of us. We are each unique and intelligent. Why wouldn’t we be? We are the image of the god of the universe. Joel messages are good for people. Prayers are better than opiods. At least prayers bring hope for the broken-hearted
Joel gives a false gospel message. A false gospel will not save you. (Galatians 1:8 KJV) But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.(Galatians 1:9 KJV) As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
@@robcrobert False. You are wrong brother. Joel may have a different perspective - we all do, as we all have intelligence, as we are the image of god of the universe. We each have our own perspectives Joel preaches Jesus. Let us stop being self righteous
@veranochick Joel adds repent of sin he adds make Jesus lord of your life he adds say a prayer and so on. The presentation he gives is not the gospel. So who's wrong Joel or Jesus?
@@robcrobert Everything Joel says is in accordance with Jesus preachings. You are nit picking on isolated words and sentences, and literally taking them out of context- those words are part of a large sermon and they have a context. You can criticize Joel’s wealth and Joel’s good looks and Joel’s enterprises which are for profit and the donations are lots of money. That would be a valid critic. Warranted. Personally I never donate to Joel’s Ministry. He doesn’t need my money. I rather donate to a small preacher in Africa. Because This African preacher never focuses on criticizing and judging other Christians - He simply shares the beautiful word of God every day to all who listen. The word of God is not a single word. We say it is a “verb”. But it actually It is a message - a message sent packaged in paragraphs and stories, and if your heart is open to receive you will hear God’s message. It is the bread of our soul, it brings us hope and light in the darkness, it allows us to be forgiven and to start again. Joel’s message is not a problem- Quite the contrary- his messages do in fact bring people closer to God. But his wealth and capitalist Christianity are subject to scrutiny. But who am I to judge his wealth and success? I would never put any human being on a pedestal. All humans we can fail and disappoint. Neither Joel nor the Pastor in this video nor the African preacher- None are free of mistakes and flaws and potential to disappoint and finally sin. Take every preacher cautiously. Only God is perfect. Only Jesus saves.
Its a process that begins with humbling yourself in your humbleness, asking Jesus Christ to forgive you of your sins ( Everything that misses God's mark) , invite Jesus into your life and your choices! Yes there has to be a repentant humbled "soul" You sir, are divisive , you sir are causing strife, You sir, need to seek The Holy Spirits guidance before you speak. All those ways are within Gods written WORD as avenues to being saved! I will NOT listen to you as you sir, apparently haven't learned yet, that as you set yourself up to judge others relationship with God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit, that you don't KNOW the many workings of the Holy Spirit!
The gospel message is worth dividing over. These men are leading people to hell by adding works to the gospel, and we seek to point out the error of their way. Salvation is the free gift of God to all who believe in Jesus Christ alone. Eternal life is by faith alone in Christ alone plus nothing else, and it lasts forever. - Trent
There is a difference between the moment when you get saved and the moment someone else believes you got saved. You are saved the moment you Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. But you prove your conversion to someone else by bringing forth fruit meet for repentance, which might include a public profession. I don't write Joel Osteen off for this, because Joel believes Paul was saved on the Road to Damascus, which is something that "A-B-C, repeat after me" sinner's prayer heretics deny. However, I am concerned with the false teaching of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture that many people today, including Bibleline, are teaching. Open your 1611 King James Bible and you'll see the Margin Notes disagree with the so-called "Secret Rapture" nonsense.
@@robcrobert you know, I'm really starting to believe it's a bunch of snakes going around calling it "the Rapture" and implying all other Christians deny the Rapture. All Christians believe in the Rapture. You believe in a 19th century false doctrine called the "Secret Rapture". The plain text of Scripture does not teach the "Secret Rapture".
Hey there. Joel is pretty clear that repenting of sin, making him Lord of your life, and prayer are also necessary for salvation. This is unscriptural. Anyways, yes you are saved the moment you believe. You remain saved even if you never “prove” it to anyone. God forbid believers live non genuine lives, but the possibility is there. Eternal security remains because God is faithful. Regarding the rapture, we are very clear on our channel where we stand. - Trent
@@BibleLine but Joel also believes Paul was saved on the Road to Damascus, so there is something to that. And I'd appreciate it if you covered the Post-Tribulation Rapture, the fact that it has been the traditional interpretation for 2000 years, and why it's wrong.
We have this video. We will do more in the future. Most of our content is truly based on what questions people ask. If you email us a question or 15, we will get to them. Most likely make a video on them. questions@biblelineministries.org Is the RAPTURE Pre-trib, Mid-trib, or Post-trib? ua-cam.com/video/S6pbxGf4N9s/v-deo.html - Trent
Hey there! Yes religion is man binding himself back to God. We need to know what the truth is, who the True God is and how can we be with him? Jesus made it simple in John 3:16 If you believe, you receive eternal life. Will you believe in Jesus’ payment for your sin? - Trent
Do y'all know the history of Joel Osteen? How he got there how his dad use to preach on the streets UA-cam John Osteen, but go ahead and do gods works judge people who needs God when we have people like y'all judging. God forgive me for speaking out
We aren’t attacking the man, but we are attacking his false message. I’d rather offend someone and they go to heaven. Joel’s message sends people to hell because it doesn’t give them the truth. - Trent
Well just to merely believe does not mean to be born again to be born again one must die and that's through crucifixion which is the baptism into his death raising us and giving us new New Life while we're yet still halal
Salvation comes by confessing and believing. This type of false information, send more folks to hell, which is Satan's mission. Talk about you and leave other folks along. If thats what you believe? Cool! That's not what's true and Joel has it right.
We actually have a 3 part video series on this topic. Roughly 2 months back on our channel. Even if you disagree, we encourage you to just check it out… - Trent
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Again to believe does not mean to be born again first of all anybody that believes must be of the faith of Jesus Christ it was stated that Thomas believed because he had seen but blessed are those who believe and yet have not seen
And to be born again has to be dead to sin. Belief is having confidence in a place or a thing. For instance your favorite hair stylist restaurant Park etc. Believe can have the action of Faith or not. Only those of the Christ Jesus have faith all others do not not all men have faith. The face that we have is the faith that is of Jesus himself
Anyone can believe and be born again. John 3:15-16 “whosoever believeth”
- Trent
Amen, and simple truth is, belief has ever been the determining factor for salvation, and it ever bemuses me, that one had to make Jesus Lord, as Jesus is already Lord. God bless.
Joel Osteen is what I like to call the
*_"Unholy Trinity"_* of Lordship, Calvinism & WOF Movement all wrapped up in a destructive pretty little package! he's a good motivational speaker and nothing more. God Bless ya'll Pastor Jesse & Trent!
🙏🙏🙏💯💓
I’d recommend studying what the doctrines of grace are.
Derived completely from scripture
Just read Gods word it speaks for itself
Human reasoning is subject to the word of God
The word of God is not subject to human reasoning
We must bow our reasoning to the authority of the word of God
It is the ultimate authority
One of the early complaints was a philosophical human reasoning, and it started with classical Arminianism
Yes Joel olsteen is a flaming wolf and false teacher
That’s very evident
You just have to believe.
The “prayer of salvation” caused a lot of stress in my life. Wish I would have just taken God at His word and just believed. I’m not against prayer, but that’s where the focus is on and not just believing which is a huge mistake.
Yeah, there isn’t necessarily anything wrong with trusting Christ in the format of prayer, but it needs to be clearly explained. I trusted in Christ with my head bowed whilst we were in silence/praying. Yet I understood that I had to believe in Jesus (not just repeat the pastor); it wasn’t vain repetition of any sort. Joel can tell people to pray all he wants, but he needs to use clear biblical explanation of the truth… which is what he does not do. Thanks for sharing.
- Trent
Acts 2:36 says God The Father made Him Lord and Christ. I don't have to do what God already did.
When the jailer asked the Apostle Paul What must I do to be saved, Paul didn't respond Repent Of Your Sins and make Jesus lord of your life. He simply said Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved. He doesn't complicate things at all. It's simple to surrender your life to Jesus. Thank you Pastor. Great content as always
BELIEF WITHOUT WORKS BY YOUR FAITH IS DEAD/VAIN/USELESS
JAMES : YOU FOOLISH PERSON, DO YOU WANT PROOF/EVIDENCE THAT FAITH/BELIEF WITHOUT WORKD/DEEDS IS VAIN USELESS/DEAD???????
EVEN DEMONS BELIEF/HAVE FAITH, THATS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!!!!!
JOHN 3:16 IS THE MOST ABUSED AND TWISTED SCRIPTURE SATAN USES TO LEAD MANY ASTRAY FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
HEBREWS 3 HEBREWS 10 1 JOHN 3 NO MAN CAN BOAST IN ANY WORKS, BUT THEY WILL BE REQUIRED AND JUDGED ONLY BY GOD...... YOU CAN BE SURE....
ANOTHER ABUSED SCRIPTURE IS ,, ALL WHO CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED,, WHEN GOD SAYS OTHERWISE,, WHY DO YOU CALL ,ME LORD LORD LORD BUT DO NOT DO WHAT I SAY, AWAY FROM ME YOU WORKERS OF SIN, I NEVER KNEW YOU.
1 JOHN 3 ANYONE WHO SAYS THEY ARE A BELIEVER BUT CONTINUES TO DELIBERATELY SIN, HAS NEVER KNOWN GOD PERIOD, AND THIS IS HOW YOU KNOW AND CAN DISTINGUISH WHO THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL ARE AND WHO THE CHILDREN OF GOD ARE
HAVE WE FORGET PAUL SAID, I THANK GOD I DIDN'T BAPTISE ANY OF YA!!!!!!
THIS IS BECAUSE OF DELIBERATE PRACTICE OF SIN.
HEBREWS 3 DO NOT LET ANYONE TRY TO EXCUSE SIN....!!!!!!!
IF WE PRACTICE ANY DELIBERATE SIN , WE HAVE ABUSE THE FREE GIFT OF GRACE AND THAT FREE GIFT OF GRACE NO LONGER REMAINS, AND WE HAVE TRAMPLED ON THE SACRIFICE JESUS CHRIST MADE FOR OUR SIN, AND CHRIST'S SACRIFICE NO LONGER REMAINS, FOR THEY HAVE TREATED THE BLOOD SHED COVENANT CHRIST MADE FOR THEIR SIN AS AN UNHOLY THING, AND THE HAVE TRAMPLED UNDERFOOT THE SON OF GOD, AND HAVE INSULTED THE SPIRIT OF GRACE, BUT SHOULD INSTEAD EXPECT THE FEARFUL EXPECTATION OF FIREY JUDGEMENT AND WRATH
IF WE PRACTICE ANY DELIBERATE SIN , WE HAVE ABUSE THE FREE GIFT OF GRACE AND THAT FREE GIFT OF GRACE NO LONGER REMAINS, AND WE HAVE TRAMPLED ON THE SACRIFICE JESUS CHRIST MADE FOR OUR SIN, AND CHRIST'S SACRIFICE NO LONGER REMAINS, FOR THEY HAVE TREATED THE BLOOD SHED COVENANT CHRIST MADE FOR THEIR SIN AS AN UNHOLY THING, AND THE HAVE TRAMPLED UNDERFOOT THE SON OF GOD, AND HAVE INSULTED THE SPIRIT OF GRACE, BUT SHOULD INSTEAD EXPECT THE FEARFUL EXPECTATION OF FIREY JUDGEMENT AND WRATH
You’re not justified by “surrendering your life to Jesus,” but by faith alone. But, upon believing, you will walk by the Spirit and the first step of walking in faith is calling on the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ. This is the most basic elementary step of faith as a new creation in Christ. You aren’t a Christian if you refuse to pray and confess Jesus as the Son of God, as Lord.
I said the prayer of salvation and got saved, not because of the prayer of salvation but because I knew I was a sinner and needed a saviour I truly believed this and asked Jesus to save me, now there was mention of repenting of my sins, and asking Jesus into my heart , in this prayer but despite that, I was still saved, I received the Holy Spirit into me immediately because God sees the heart, and knows when we are sincere in something even when we might say the wrong things. Yes it would be preferable if this prayer of salvation or miracle prayer was not around because it can confuse many needlessly.
God bless you brother!!! Thank you!!
Amen brother! Salvation is not by prayer or confession. Neither is it by making a promise or any commitment.
But it is simply by Faith Alone in Christ Alone. It is really sad that so many today corrupt the Gospel and its simplicity.
Salvation comes by confessing and believing. This kind of false information send more folks to hell, which is Satan's mission.
@tavis4003 so you add to faith alone. By adding a confession. You trust your confession not Jesus?
@tavis4003 confession is not part of eternal salvation.
Now Confession should come after Salvation. As it is important in the Believer's Walk. But it has no part of Salvation. God only accepts Faith in Christ. Faith is the only thing which is Non-meritorious
BELIEF WITHOUT WORKS BY YOUR FAITH IS DEAD/VAIN/USELESS
JAMES : YOU FOOLISH PERSON, DO YOU WANT PROOF/EVIDENCE THAT FAITH/BELIEF WITHOUT WORKD/DEEDS IS VAIN USELESS/DEAD???????
EVEN DEMONS BELIEF/HAVE FAITH, THATS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!!!!!
JOHN 3:16 IS THE MOST ABUSED AND TWISTED SCRIPTURE SATAN USES TO LEAD MANY ASTRAY FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
HEBREWS 3 HEBREWS 10 1 JOHN 3 NO MAN CAN BOAST IN ANY WORKS, BUT THEY WILL BE REQUIRED AND JUDGED ONLY BY GOD...... YOU CAN BE SURE....
ANOTHER ABUSED SCRIPTURE IS ,, ALL WHO CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED,, WHEN GOD SAYS OTHERWISE,, WHY DO YOU CALL ,ME LORD LORD LORD BUT DO NOT DO WHAT I SAY, AWAY FROM ME YOU WORKERS OF SIN, I NEVER KNEW YOU.
1 JOHN 3 ANYONE WHO SAYS THEY ARE A BELIEVER BUT CONTINUES TO DELIBERATELY SIN, HAS NEVER KNOWN GOD PERIOD, AND THIS IS HOW YOU KNOW AND CAN DISTINGUISH WHO THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL ARE AND WHO THE CHILDREN OF GOD ARE
HAVE WE FORGET PAUL SAID, I THANK GOD I DIDN'T BAPTISE ANY OF YA!!!!!!
THIS IS BECAUSE OF DELIBERATE PRACTICE OF SIN.
HEBREWS 3 DO NOT LET ANYONE TRY TO EXCUSE SIN....!!!!!!!
IF WE PRACTICE ANY DELIBERATE SIN , WE HAVE ABUSE THE FREE GIFT OF GRACE AND THAT FREE GIFT OF GRACE NO LONGER REMAINS, AND WE HAVE TRAMPLED ON THE SACRIFICE JESUS CHRIST MADE FOR OUR SIN, AND CHRIST'S SACRIFICE NO LONGER REMAINS, FOR THEY HAVE TREATED THE BLOOD SHED COVENANT CHRIST MADE FOR THEIR SIN AS AN UNHOLY THING, AND THE HAVE TRAMPLED UNDERFOOT THE SON OF GOD, AND HAVE INSULTED THE SPIRIT OF GRACE, BUT SHOULD INSTEAD EXPECT THE FEARFUL EXPECTATION OF FIREY JUDGEMENT AND WRATH
IF WE PRACTICE ANY DELIBERATE SIN , WE HAVE ABUSE THE FREE GIFT OF GRACE AND THAT FREE GIFT OF GRACE NO LONGER REMAINS, AND WE HAVE TRAMPLED ON THE SACRIFICE JESUS CHRIST MADE FOR OUR SIN, AND CHRIST'S SACRIFICE NO LONGER REMAINS, FOR THEY HAVE TREATED THE BLOOD SHED COVENANT CHRIST MADE FOR THEIR SIN AS AN UNHOLY THING, AND THE HAVE TRAMPLED UNDERFOOT THE SON OF GOD, AND HAVE INSULTED THE SPIRIT OF GRACE, BUT SHOULD INSTEAD EXPECT THE FEARFUL EXPECTATION OF FIREY JUDGEMENT AND WRATH
Joel is correct if using the devils doctrines.
Amen bro.
Thank you!!
- Trent
4 seconds in and false gospel starts sheesh. Good teaching!!!
Thank you for the encouragement! We want people to know the truth and believe in Jesus Christ!
- Trent
@@BibleLine already retweeted and shared!!! The truth is the gospel!!! Alone!!!
YAH BLESSS
Joel is scary!!!! mark and AVOID!!!!
The fact that his gospel message is almost exactly the same as many evangelical churches is disturbing.
Yeah. He needs to study what the scripture actually says.
- Trent
Osteen no doubt has led millions of people to curiosity/longing for Christ, like his colleagues on TV.
There's an ironic tragedy here with Osteen: - His Christian living/motivation & coping in the world sermons are brilliant. His heart seems to be in the right place.
The last 24 seconds every week he unfortunately completely screws up, as you've just elucidated on.
Saints:- believe biblically as per Acts 16:31 , watch his motivational message, & then ignore the last 24seconds of his broadcast.
No doubt Joel says some good things, and he has very encouraging sermons. Nevertheless, we point out the error because I’d rather people go to heaven absolutely down and discouraged than be encouraged to enter into hell. Blunt statement, but we want to keep people from eternal hellfire.
Thanks
- Trent
APOSTLE PAULS WRITINGS AR HARD FOR SOME TO UNDERSTAND , AND THEY TWIST THE WORD OF GOD TO THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION .........TIMOTHY
BELIEF WITHOUT WORKS BY YOUR FAITH IS DEAD/VAIN/USELESS
JAMES : YOU FOOLISH PERSON, DO YOU WANT PROOF/EVIDENCE THAT FAITH/BELIEF WITHOUT WORKD/DEEDS IS VAIN USELESS/DEAD???????
EVEN DEMONS BELIEF/HAVE FAITH, THATS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!!!!!
JOHN 3:16 IS THE MOST ABUSED AND TWISTED SCRIPTURE SATAN USES TO LEAD MANY ASTRAY FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
HEBREWS 3 HEBREWS 10 1 JOHN 3 NO MAN CAN BOAST IN ANY WORKS, BUT THEY WILL BE REQUIRED AND JUDGED ONLY BY GOD...... YOU CAN BE SURE....
ANOTHER ABUSED SCRIPTURE IS ,, ALL WHO CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED,, WHEN GOD SAYS OTHERWISE,, WHY DO YOU CALL ,ME LORD LORD LORD BUT DO NOT DO WHAT I SAY, AWAY FROM ME YOU WORKERS OF SIN, I NEVER KNEW YOU.
1 JOHN 3 ANYONE WHO SAYS THEY ARE A BELIEVER BUT CONTINUES TO DELIBERATELY SIN, HAS NEVER KNOWN GOD PERIOD, AND THIS IS HOW YOU KNOW AND CAN DISTINGUISH WHO THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL ARE AND WHO THE CHILDREN OF GOD ARE
HAVE WE FORGET PAUL SAID, I THANK GOD I DIDN'T BAPTISE ANY OF YA!!!!!!
THIS IS BECAUSE OF DELIBERATE PRACTICE OF SIN.
HEBREWS 3 DO NOT LET ANYONE TRY TO EXCUSE SIN....!!!!!!!
IF WE PRACTICE ANY DELIBERATE SIN , WE HAVE ABUSE THE FREE GIFT OF GRACE AND THAT FREE GIFT OF GRACE NO LONGER REMAINS, AND WE HAVE TRAMPLED ON THE SACRIFICE JESUS CHRIST MADE FOR OUR SIN, AND CHRIST'S SACRIFICE NO LONGER REMAINS, FOR THEY HAVE TREATED THE BLOOD SHED COVENANT CHRIST MADE FOR THEIR SIN AS AN UNHOLY THING, AND THE HAVE TRAMPLED UNDERFOOT THE SON OF GOD, AND HAVE INSULTED THE SPIRIT OF GRACE, BUT SHOULD INSTEAD EXPECT THE FEARFUL EXPECTATION OF FIREY JUDGEMENT AND WRATH
IF WE PRACTICE ANY DELIBERATE SIN , WE HAVE ABUSE THE FREE GIFT OF GRACE AND THAT FREE GIFT OF GRACE NO LONGER REMAINS, AND WE HAVE TRAMPLED ON THE SACRIFICE JESUS CHRIST MADE FOR OUR SIN, AND CHRIST'S SACRIFICE NO LONGER REMAINS, FOR THEY HAVE TREATED THE BLOOD SHED COVENANT CHRIST MADE FOR THEIR SIN AS AN UNHOLY THING, AND THE HAVE TRAMPLED UNDERFOOT THE SON OF GOD, AND HAVE INSULTED THE SPIRIT OF GRACE, BUT SHOULD INSTEAD EXPECT THE FEARFUL EXPECTATION OF FIREY JUDGEMENT AND WRATH
“Just believe” just doesn’t seem not enough and it doesn’t align with the scripture that says “only a few will enter the Narrow Gates of Heaven” if we all just need say: “I Believe”.
It’s belief without works. Some believe, but they also believe that their works are enough. It has to be faith alone in Christ alone who died for your sins.
It isn’t the faith that saves, but it is the object of your faith: Jesus Christ. It’s not believing in his existence, but it’s believing He is the Son of God who paid your sin debt in full by his DBR on the cross. He gives eternal life to the believer.
Few probably solely believe this message; especially in my personal witnessing experience.
- Trent
One scripture has been really confusing me. Acts 2:38. Peter says repent , be baptized, and you will be saved and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. What are we to make of this?
Can we thank Joel Osteen enough for giving us the opportunity to make Jesus Lord of our life. Apparently, only Joel can do this 😂😂😂
Does anyone have info on Richard Ellis out of a Dallas church called Reunion Church. Jesse?
I’ll research this.
- Trent
The false teachers always have the most followers these days.
Typically, yes! I pray we can grow and reach many with the truth though!! Thanks for the support.
- Trent
@BibleLine Yes and Dr Ralph Yankee Arnold is up to just shy of 20k. Hopefully you are next.
I think Billy Graham preached the true Gospel and many believed as a result of his evangelism….. I can simply become a believer and be saved even if I prayed a request with the preacher (sinners prayer) with all sincerity can’t I ?
Yes, Joel is wrong and didn't explained clearly.
What we can do pray for him and thank for this video so Joel can watch and learn the mistake.
God bless
♥️🎁💜🙏
Joel osteen has been on larry king live spewing his cotton candy gospel,cnn a couple of times and believes in universalism. The all inclusive Gospel!!
Yeah he never wants to offend anyone with truth. So sad. We pray these pastors find the truth if never before…
- Trent
That’s a wolf right there
And you are a sheep with a halo?
The Bible doesn’t say you live on a planet of ball that spins in space but most Christians believe that do you know why they believe that I think you do I think you know now that you got sucked up and believing that you live on a planet and I think when you wake up and you realize what the Earth is and what that blue sky is, then you’re gonna be upset that you were taught in schoolI’m amazed. You haven’t figured it out yet.
Romans 10, 10.
Confession is not the gospel. That chapter is dealing with physical salvation from the destruction of Jerusalem. Confession is nor art of salvation from hell.
Is openly declaring your faith a work!
I would never defend osteen as a good truthful bible preacher. however, I see nothing wrong with a sinner's prayer if someone asks how to pray about it to God , as a declaration of their new beliefs.
unbelievers wouldn't know how to repent or how to talk to God without some bible verses to help them right?
if we believe in our hearts God raised Jesus from the dead and confess with our mouths Jesus is Lord , then we will be saved.
Joel’s lord and savior is money.
We hope not, but he does have lots of money!
For your next video, can you do a response to Voddie Bauchman. A lot of people like him and follow him and I know he's a calvinist.
@@BibleLine
Help me understand this statement of faith, please. It sounds like it has "works" included in it.
Salvation and the Spirit-Filled Life:
We believe that Jesus Christ is God’s only provision for our salvation. He voluntarily offered himself as our representative and substitute, and suffered and died on the cross in our place - taking upon himself God’s righteous wrath. We believe in his bodily resurrection on the third day, which powerfully declared him to be the Son of God. By his death and resurrection, Jesus once for all conquered sin, death, hell, and the devil. We believe that Christ is the atoning sacrifice for the sins of the whole world. Salvation is a divine gift given to any who repent and believe. Repentance and faith are the divinely-enabled human responses to the grace of God. By the power of the Holy Spirit, a sinner must turn away from sin and embrace God - thus appropriating the benefits of Christ’s life, death and resurrection. All who truly believe and receive Christ are fully justified, reconciled to God, born of his Spirit, adopted as his children, and united with Jesus in his death and resurrection. They will one day see him in his glory and be glorified themselves, as God brings his redemptive work to completion. We believe that God intends to transform his redeemed people by conforming them to the image of his Son through the infilling and sanctifying work of his Holy Spirit. Though this work begins with God’s gracious initiative and can only be accomplished by his life-giving power, believers must cooperate and fully yield themselves to the Lordship of Christ. Believers are called to decisively surrender their wills, be renewed in their minds, and have their hearts purified as they continuously offer themselves as living sacrifices to God. We believe that a living faith must express itself in a life of loving obedience to God and in loving service to others. Genuine faith will inevitably produce good works, which are born out of gratitude for salvation and ultimately done for God’s glory. Christians are called to live by the power of the Holy Spirit as citizens of the kingdom, serving as God’s agents of transformation for society, culture, and the created world.🤔
It is full of lies and do not embrace any of it at all. Comes across as Calvinism to me.
Clues it is a lie: Turn away from sin, lie.
Repentance and faith are the divinely-enabled human responses to the grace of God, yes; but from the Calvinist view, they claim a person must be given faith as a gift first, claiming faith is the gift instead of Jesus Christ sacrifice. Lie.
Should a believer live a life honoring to God, yes, but in reality all people should live that way. We can't use how a person lives to prove they are saved or not, because it is through simple faith in Christ alone for our salvation for heaven.
Yet it is better to lead a good life to be good examples to others of God's goodness and power, but never required or forced to any believer..
Example: A person that lies all the time will never be able to give out the gospel and have people listen, since they are known as a lair.
Renneth gave a solid response.
It’s totally Calvinistic and Lordship. Essentially you need to turn from sin and live a genuine faith lifestyle or you were never truly saved. That’s insane, and it is impossible. Faith alone (with repentance, sure, but repentance is simply a change of mind… not a turn from sin…) in Christ alone is what saved. When you believe, you change your mind from unbelief. Salvation is free. This doctrinal statement is in great error.
- Trent
@@BibleLine thanks, I'm getting better every day at detecting the errant denominations thanks to your videos 🤗
So many hair-splitters and people who haven’t read the Bible here...
“with the mouth one confesses and is saved.”
“everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
“no one can say ‘Jesus is Lord’ except by the Holy Spirit.”
The gospel is found in romans 3 not romans 10
Like I said… splittin’ but no committin’ … to the Word.
@onwave (Romans 3:24 KJV) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
(Romans 3:25 KJV) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
(Romans 3:26 KJV) To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
This is the gospel. If you add prayer or anything else to the gospel your adding a work to it. That's not splitting its the word of God
Bud, you’re splitting the book of Romans itself. How someone can sit and read the Bible deny what it says plainly… either you’re really young and still learning or your a spirit of antichrist.
@onwave it's called righty dividing. Romans is laid out in perfect order. God is a God of order. Salvation is laid out perfectly in the first 4 chapters. Then chapters 6 7 8 are our walk after Salvation. Chapters 9 10 11 are dealing with Isreal.
Nit picking on Joel Osteen words - obsessing with a couple of verses in the Bible- as if there is absolute single interpretation of the Bible- You hold the truth?
No. You don’t. All you have is your interpretation of a couple of verses in the Bible.
Joel would use a couple of other different Bible verses to back up his prayer.
The Bible allows for different arguments to be made and debates never end with one verse.
Jesus comes to our hearts. That sounds right to me. The Bible which is a translation of another translation - From English to Greek to Arameic-
Nit picking on words does not save souls
Stop coming after Joel.
Stop envying him. Focus on your own gifts from God.
God talks to each of us. We are each unique and intelligent. Why wouldn’t we be? We are the image of the god of the universe.
Joel messages are good for people. Prayers are better than opiods. At least prayers bring hope for the broken-hearted
Who needs God when we have people like this judging for him
Joel gives a false gospel message. A false gospel will not save you. (Galatians 1:8 KJV) But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.(Galatians 1:9 KJV) As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
@@robcrobert
False. You are wrong brother.
Joel may have a different perspective - we all do, as we all have intelligence, as we are the image of god of the universe. We each have our own perspectives
Joel preaches Jesus.
Let us stop being self righteous
@veranochick Joel adds repent of sin he adds make Jesus lord of your life he adds say a prayer and so on. The presentation he gives is not the gospel. So who's wrong Joel or Jesus?
@@robcrobert
Everything Joel says is in accordance with Jesus preachings. You are nit picking on isolated words and sentences, and literally taking them out of context- those words are part of a large sermon and they have a context.
You can criticize Joel’s wealth and Joel’s good looks and Joel’s enterprises which are for profit and the donations are lots of money. That would be a valid critic. Warranted.
Personally I never donate to Joel’s Ministry. He doesn’t need my money. I rather donate to a small preacher in Africa. Because This African preacher never focuses on criticizing and judging other Christians - He simply shares the beautiful word of God every day to all who listen. The word of God is not a single word. We say it is a “verb”. But it actually It is a message - a message sent packaged in paragraphs and stories, and if your heart is open to receive you will hear God’s message. It is the bread of our soul, it brings us hope and light in the darkness, it allows us to be forgiven and to start again.
Joel’s message is not a problem- Quite the contrary- his messages do in fact bring people closer to God.
But his wealth and capitalist Christianity are subject to scrutiny. But who am I to judge his wealth and success?
I would never put any human being on a pedestal.
All humans we can fail and disappoint. Neither Joel nor the Pastor in this video nor the African preacher- None are free of mistakes and flaws and potential to disappoint and finally sin.
Take every preacher cautiously. Only God is perfect. Only Jesus saves.
Its a process that begins with humbling yourself in your humbleness, asking Jesus Christ to forgive you of your sins ( Everything that misses God's mark) , invite Jesus into your life and your choices! Yes there has to be a repentant humbled "soul" You sir, are divisive , you sir are causing strife, You sir, need to seek The Holy Spirits guidance before you speak. All those ways are within Gods written WORD as avenues to being saved! I will NOT listen to you as you sir, apparently haven't learned yet, that as you set yourself up to judge others relationship with God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit, that you don't KNOW the many workings of the Holy Spirit!
The gospel message is worth dividing over. These men are leading people to hell by adding works to the gospel, and we seek to point out the error of their way. Salvation is the free gift of God to all who believe in Jesus Christ alone. Eternal life is by faith alone in Christ alone plus nothing else, and it lasts forever.
- Trent
There is a difference between the moment when you get saved and the moment someone else believes you got saved. You are saved the moment you Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. But you prove your conversion to someone else by bringing forth fruit meet for repentance, which might include a public profession. I don't write Joel Osteen off for this, because Joel believes Paul was saved on the Road to Damascus, which is something that "A-B-C, repeat after me" sinner's prayer heretics deny. However, I am concerned with the false teaching of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture that many people today, including Bibleline, are teaching. Open your 1611 King James Bible and you'll see the Margin Notes disagree with the so-called "Secret Rapture" nonsense.
Read a plain text King James Bible without man's notes . The rapture is taught in the plain text of scripture.
@@robcrobert you know, I'm really starting to believe it's a bunch of snakes going around calling it "the Rapture" and implying all other Christians deny the Rapture. All Christians believe in the Rapture. You believe in a 19th century false doctrine called the "Secret Rapture". The plain text of Scripture does not teach the "Secret Rapture".
Hey there. Joel is pretty clear that repenting of sin, making him Lord of your life, and prayer are also necessary for salvation. This is unscriptural. Anyways, yes you are saved the moment you believe. You remain saved even if you never “prove” it to anyone. God forbid believers live non genuine lives, but the possibility is there. Eternal security remains because God is faithful.
Regarding the rapture, we are very clear on our channel where we stand.
- Trent
@@BibleLine but Joel also believes Paul was saved on the Road to Damascus, so there is something to that. And I'd appreciate it if you covered the Post-Tribulation Rapture, the fact that it has been the traditional interpretation for 2000 years, and why it's wrong.
We have this video. We will do more in the future. Most of our content is truly based on what questions people ask. If you email us a question or 15, we will get to them. Most likely make a video on them. questions@biblelineministries.org
Is the RAPTURE Pre-trib, Mid-trib, or Post-trib?
ua-cam.com/video/S6pbxGf4N9s/v-deo.html
- Trent
Religion is all about faith in God. No need to judge.
Hey there!
Yes religion is man binding himself back to God. We need to know what the truth is, who the True God is and how can we be with him?
Jesus made it simple in John 3:16
If you believe, you receive eternal life. Will you believe in Jesus’ payment for your sin?
- Trent
Do y'all know the history of Joel Osteen? How he got there how his dad use to preach on the streets UA-cam John Osteen, but go ahead and do gods works judge people who needs God when we have people like y'all judging. God forgive me for speaking out
Amen .
We aren’t attacking the man, but we are attacking his false message. I’d rather offend someone and they go to heaven. Joel’s message sends people to hell because it doesn’t give them the truth.
- Trent
Well just to merely believe does not mean to be born again to be born again one must die and that's through crucifixion which is the baptism into his death raising us and giving us new New Life while we're yet still halal
Jesus said to “believe” to be born again. John 3 illustrates this perfectly.
- Trent
Salvation comes by confessing and believing. This type of false information, send more folks to hell, which is Satan's mission.
Talk about you and leave other folks along. If thats what you believe? Cool! That's not what's true and Joel has it right.
We actually have a 3 part video series on this topic. Roughly 2 months back on our channel. Even if you disagree, we encourage you to just check it out…
- Trent