The Medical Uses of The Purple Dye (According to De Materia Medica by Dioscorides)
Вставка
- Опубліковано 26 тра 2024
- In De Materia Medica (c 50-70AD) by Dioscorides, we find mention of the medical applications of the Purple Dye. Dioscorides tells us, the purple can be used to cleanse and treat wounds, can be used to clean the teeth, and is also fit for working against Hypersarcoma (which is a word used today to describe a type of Cancer).
He also tells us Trumpet Shells can be used in the same way, but describes them as being more caustic.
Finally we find instructions on how to prepare wool which has been dyed purple, which is used to treat similar ailments and can also be bathed into the eyes as an ocular treatment.
Ammon sent me…
Thats nice to hear, thanks for stopping by and checking out the video. Hope you enjoy the content.
Haha same. Been digging down this rabbit hole pretty heavily lately. Thankful for auld boy’s additional content and perspective.
Funny I just got an email from The Truth About Cancer, oddly enough they say….from the oceans depths, Ziconotide, derived from the venom of the marine cone snail (Conus magus) treats severe and chronic pain. It blocks calcium channels on nerve cells, preventing the transmission of pain signals. Oliver’s et al in 1999 explored the neuropharmacology of Conus peptides, revealing their significant analgesic potential. Pretty interesting that I just dove into this purple stuff and I get this email today! 🙌🏼
Yes once I heard what ammon had to say now I have to know
@@OddWoz thanks, pleased to hear it was helpful!
I am extremely impressed by Dr. Ammon. I also really appreciate your delivery. Clear and concise. Great content!
Likewise! Its been a great experience learning from him. The Greek has opened up my eyes and its liberating being able to go and read these texts. Im pleased you thought the delivery was ok. Thanks for watching!
"Impressed" by what, exactly? Millions of people have been reading/writing Greek for thousands of years and every thing he talks about has been well-known to those that could do so for quite some time. He knows absolutely nothing about actual Medicine, Pharmacology, Oncology, etc....Just ask him for a single specific compound in any of these "magic" ointments.
@@KarlKarsnark You must have misread my post. I said that I was impressed by Dr. Ammon. I did not say Karl is impressed by Dr. Ammon. Maybe it’s possible that your requirement for impression is different than mine.
@@jasontheflyingfarrierhays I'll be impressed when he talks real chemistry to back up his claims. Millions of people can/have learned Greek over the centuries. Nothing special about that.
Unfortunately, he and his "Mods" ban folks for so much as pointing out a pronunciation error. They're a bunch of sycophants that don't know enough about chemistry or Greek to call him on his mistakes. Just look at the comment section and chat it's literally "Whoa! Magic Pee-Pee!", "Weed lmao!", and never ANY real, hard chemistry. Gee, I wonder why? .....because there is none.
@@KarlKarsnark hello again Karl. Hope you and yours are well. 2 ideas. 1. We all know that it would be an error to judge a content creator by the idiots in the comment section. 2. I’m not in Dr. Ammons head so I am making an educated guess here, but, he has stated that the recipe for some of these concoctions are, in fact, in the texts. I venture to guess that the reason he doesn’t reveal the details of the brew has something to do with Pearls and Swine.
This is so good! Your Greek pronunciations sound great!
Thank you so much, it means a lot!
I hope your studies are coming along nicely too mate 😊👌
I'm in love with these sites/locations: mesmerizing!
That honestly means a lot, thanks. Im pleased you like the locations. They are are good for a days wandering!
Location was stunning. Love the greenery clinging to the rocks 💯
I also love the greenery on the rocks! I’m pleased you like the location.
Another fantastic presentation .
Thank you, it means a lot.
I'm seeing videos about this "burning purple" everywhere the last few weeks. It has really opened up my understanding of ancient civilizations. Dr. Ammon Hillman, he is an ancient Greek classicist, he is also an expert in ancient medicine, Galen's text., Dr Hillman has some great videos on this topic, if anyone is interested. Very interesting guy, if you are a devoted Christian, please be advised, you may be offended. Great to see Auldboy covering this on our side of the Atlantic.
Hi there, thanks for watching. I’ll be visiting the Bath House where the Purple was found on Monday and Tuesday!
I’d also recommend Dr Ammon to anyone. He taught me the Greek and his knowledge of these texts is really in depth..it’s very eye opening.
Thanks for watching and for leaving a comment 👍
Hi there, thanks for watching. I’ll be visiting the Bath House where the Purple was found on Monday and Tuesday!
I’d also recommend Dr Ammon to anyone. He taught me the Greek and his knowledge of these texts is really in depth..it’s very eye opening.
Thanks for watching and for leaving a comment 👍
Thank you so much for this...just what I have needed.
Thanks Nancy, I hoped you would enjoy it. We’ve looked at the first section a little bit in class before but I also found they used wool dyed with the purple too which was interesting. If you spot anything I’ve missed then do let me know 😊👍
Brilliant video Auld Boy! So glad to find your channel! ❤
Honestly thanks so much for all the support, it really helps me and my channel. Great to have you here!
This was completely awesome ✊
Thank you, I’m pleased you enjoyed it.
👍 Great. I enjoyed. Beautiful place, images. Hail Μήσεια🍷
Im pleased you enjoyed the videos. Thanks so much, hail Μηδεια.
thank you for your mastery of pronunciation. And I wish we would go back to the olde medicine without being burnt at the stake.
Also this folly must have some significance why and where it was built, as you mentioned the area has history. It at least creates interest and intrigue.
have a good day of it
That’s really kind of you to say, thank you. I’ve put a lot of time into studying so it means a lot 😊
Yes me too, the more I read, the more these old ways seem more advanced than us in a way.
You are right about the Folly. The story is the local land owner wanted to create jobs so had it built. And then he paid someone to live as a hermit on the site! But the site may be older..there’s a lot of real history near by which I’ll keep showing on my videos moving forward!
Thanks again for watching and for the support.
@@auld_boy
thanks for your reply 👍 interesting and amusing hiring someone to be a hermit, sounds very entrepreneurial that so much work was put into it 😊
P.S.
you may find interesting a short film to view on utube about 'The Last Druid' - Documentary on Ben McBrady of The Old Gaelic Order.
No problem at all, I enjoy having discussions in the comments section! Yes it is indeed very entrepreneurial..its not an isolated case either so it seems. There are many large estates in the area which did similar things.
Thank you for the recommendation, Ill go and check it out right away..it sounds like something Id definitely be interested in. Thanks!
@@auld_boy
👍
6,6'-Dibromoindigo, also known as Tyrian purple, possesses a unique chemical structure that contributes to its vibrant color and historical significance. The molecule consists of two indigoid units, which are linked by a central carbon-carbon double bond. Each indigoid unit contains a six-membered benzene ring fused to a five-membered nitrogen-containing ring called an indole. Two bromine atoms are attached to the benzene rings at the 6th position (relative to the indigoid unit linkage). This specific arrangement of atoms allows the molecule to absorb light in the visible spectrum, resulting in the deep purple color we see.
Thanks for the in depth breakdown of its make up, appreciate it.
Awesome work❤
Thank you, means a lot.
Great stuff!
Thank you Wretch, appreciate it!
amazing stuff! thank you Auld Boy
Pleased you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching and for the support.
Nice content you deserve way more subs. Ammon sent me . Keep up the great work
Thats really kind of you to say, Im pleased you are enjoying the videos!
Thanks
Thanks for watching, I appreciate it 👌
Its so fascinating, the many medical applications for the burning purple. I could just sit and read Dioscurides all day because it seems everything has some sort of medical application.
Great translation!
Thanks Aion, really appreciate the kind words. Always feel free to jump in if you spot anything you would do differently with the translation! Yes the purple is so fascinating..I'm trying to track down the text which mentions the priestess with the purple lips and the scale tattoos..do you remember where it was from at all? Id love a crack at translating it for the next video showing the cult use of the purple.
Dioscorides is fascinating..almost everything had a use, including animals! Thanks again for watching, Im pleased you enjoyed it.
@@auld_boy I thought you had told me it was in the Orphic Lithica. I'll have to look!
@@The-Aion I thought it was but I had a scan through and couldn’t see it. Thanks for taking a look though, I may have missed it!
@@The-Aion I think ive found it..it’s the dionysica I think. My bad!
@@auld_boy Equally as difficult text. I haven't even attempted to translate Nonnus yet.
Love this! It occurred to me as you were speaking Greek. You are multi lingual? English, Scottish? Greek. That is a brain stretcher! Love the greenery and location, many thanks
Thanks for the kind words! I wouldnt class myself as multi lingual just because Im not proficient enough yet. I can speak some Spanish and German..enough to get by when I'm visiting and I know some Welsh too but only enough to ask for basic things. Im still learning though..I love language in general!
Im pleased you liked the location...thanks for watching!
Thanks brother.
Thank you for watching, I appreciate it!
First time seeing the content you create and boy oh boy did i find a gem! You sound so fluid with the ancient greek it's amazing! I am going to learn a lot from you. Love the location of the video as well kudos
Hi there, great to have you here. Thank you for the kind words, I’m pleased to hear you found this one interesting. I hope you get something out of the others too. Thanks for stopping by and for watching 😊👍
@@auld_boy What i found most useful is how clearly you pronounce the language. Sounds very fluid as if you been talking the language for a veryy long time. I got a knack for coping the unique accents of any language i hear and you are on point my boy. Can't wait to see what other great ancient greek videos you make in the future!
@@karma300 that’s honestly such a nice complement! I’m pleased it was clearly pronounced and came across well enough for you. I’ll be making the next video on the cult connections to the purple and that should lead us up to my site visit to the place the purple was recently found in northern England. After that I’d like to look at some of the Pythagorean stuff so I hope that sounds like it will be of interest! Thanks again for watching and for the kind comments.
Go back and watch all of the videos here. Wonderful work!
You delivered! Thanks for a great video.
Thank you, Im pleased you enjoyed it!
This is amazing work auld boy your greek is phenomenal love the breakdown too. And what an amazing place to do the video amazing work man
Hey Chthonious good to see you. I’m pleased you enjoyed it and thanks for the kind words about the Greek. I’ll keep trying to get unique locations like this moving forward. I hope all is well with you mate, really good to see you 😊👌
Great job. I don't know if it was intentional but there was a colourful through-line between the musicality of the Greek and setting. Not just purple, lol.
Thank you, very kind of you to say. Im trying to keep it interesting with different locations which fit the theme. I love the colour of the greenery against the rocks here. A cool place to visit. Thanks.
Will you be able to film inside the recreated druid structures?
I enjoyed your translation
“It must not sting when applied to the tongue” sounds very unappealing
Next steps would be to try to make the salve (guessing) for educational purposes of course 😊
Many olde world remedies have superior results than conventional methods of today as I have learned from personal experiences
It seems that there’s a similar mollusk in south Florida… I will have to look into this a bit further
Excellent presentation once again!
Thanks for the kind words Tammy. Yes, most of the places here I will be able to film. Quite a lot of them are on open accessible ground and you can quite often just walk right up to them which is nice. I’m not far from the central hub of the Brigantes tribe so that’s on my list for the next few videos!
Yes the more I read in these texts the more I’m blown away. Their use of natural resources in medicine is mind blowing, in some respects they seemed more advanced.
That’s really interesting, let me know if you find any of the shells!
Thanks again for watching and for the support.
@@auld_boy 🤓
You, Snappy, Ammon, and Neal are awesome! Keep it up
Thats really nice of you to say, I have an immense amount of respect for them all and they have been so supportive of me since the start. Thanks for stopping by, I hope you enjoy the content.
Not too surprised that the whelk or mollusk dye would have some healing properties. My impression is that pretty much all of the dyes have properties that could be used in a healing way, to counter infections and the like, but might need significant dilution or other adjustment to make it less caustic or irritating. I believe woad and indigo both have such properties, and at least one variety of gentian flower - Gentiana pneumonanthe - can be used to create a blue dye, and gentians are part of the European herbal tradition. Note that this gentian flower plant dye is completely separate from an artificial dye with a similar common name, "gentian violet" - named after the plant dye for its similar appearance - which can also be used medicinally. Another artificial staining compound, methylene blue (not to be confused with methyl blue, new methyl blue, or methyl violet), is a known treatment for cyanide poisoning, with indications of other applications.
Sidetrack #1: As you went through some of the linguistics, odon reminded me of the Don or Dan tribes from Denmark to the Danube and beyond. Presumably, the name means either "cutter," "axe," or perhaps "fang." It would have to be something more cool than simply "tooth" to be a tribal name, wouldn't it? And I speculate that "Dardan" actually means "tree cutter," with perhaps the implication that that tribe that took on that name was very much into logging and wood cutting, and known for it.
Sidetrack #2: As a homophone, odon makes me think of Odin / Wotan, and I would point out that I reject the theory that his name derives from roots for insanity or rage, as some scholars assert. As Tolkien - a student of the culture - might point out, it's more likely his core root comes from the roots for oath and vow, and that he's the Oath-Father or Vow-Father. Essentially, the "wod" part would be the same as the "wed" in wedding, which refers to a vow. I think this is the most likely, but I would also accept him as the "wood father," with his root coming from wudu (wood), seeing as the traditional first man and woman of Norse mythology are the ash and elm, and Odin is associated with the oaken world tree known as Yggdrasil. A third reason to accept this would be that Odin's essential story is that he hung from the tree in pursuit of wisdom, making him a definite "tree man" or wudu-one / wudan. Which of course ties into druidry. Heck, maybe the roots wed / wod come from wudu, with vows being "wood words" said before the "thing," which was an assembly held in front of the town's tree (tree of justice, where they would discuss law and hang people). 🤷♂
Sidetrack #3: I consider, looking at the geographical distribution of the Dan / Don people, that they may have originated in the Alps and followed river systems from that point to the north and east, possibly chasing the glaciers at the end of the last age. Primitive humans must remain in close contact with sources of fresh water, and the freshest water comes directly from melting glaciers. I'm not aware of any specific cultural movement that has been traced following those paths (I don't remember if I've even looked), but it seems logical to assume that in some wise people and culture flowed downstream wherever possible, and in this case, there's the potential for an early Alpine culture to have followed each of the four major rivers out of the mountains, where for the Dons we pay special attention to the Rhine and the Danube. (BTW, four major rivers from one source, as recorded in Genesis regarding Eden, seems to be a fairly rare occurrence, but we have it here in the Alps, with the Danube heading east of Alpine "Eden.") (Also, FWIW, the northern Adriatic Sea is shallow, and wasn't filled in till probably about 8000-6000 BC. This would have greatly extended the reach of the Po River in the prior era, and this now sunken region would have been a prime site for early civilization.) We could probably expect these people to genetically be WHG.
You are right about a lot of these dyes, for example the bark of mimosa hostillis both yeilds DMT and is a reddish dye. On the greek side βαφω / Bapho means dye and if I remember correctly its the same verb which baptise comes from. So we know the cults were using the dyes and if it was for some kind of medicinal effect then the links between dye, its medical qualities and religious usage becomes apparent!
Interesting thought regarding the teeth..it brings to mind the Dragons Teeth which were planted by Cadmus which become warriors..Spartoi.
Ill have to look into Wodin some more at some point. I do see the conection between Frenzy and Inspiration as the prophecy and madness were one and the same word according to Plato's Phaedrus. The state was seen as being possessed by the God..and extatic frenzy but also brought inspiration and prophecy. The mead of poetry is extremely reminiscent of the cup of communion and the fact that some is passed through odin when he is a bird and is passed out his rear end is actually a cult motiff too believe it or not. But thats not to say the argument is decided as they are only peoples best opinions afterall. So Ill definitely take another look in the future!
I like your thoughts on the early movement of culture. The rivers have definitely been underestimated in my opinion but I do believe this is changing. I just saw an article today saying one of Yorkshires biggest rivers was once a bustling trade network. Of course they only date this network to roman times but the Birgantes if connected to the Brigantes in spain, do seem to utilise these waterways and it would connect Aldborough to York as well as giving easy access to the Humber Estuary. Ill have to have a think on your info and do some study. Im not very well versed earlier than the late bronze age really so its an area I definitely need to dig into at some point.
Cheers for the info!
@@auld_boy As for the dragon's teeth sown in both the tales of Cadmus and the Argonauts, I think that's a metaphorical reference to new grain crops brought into cultivation. The premise being that growing and storing grains would have enabled armies for the first time.
I know that storage of grain (wild grains) goes back maybe as far as 16-20,000 BC, but my impression is that early on these grains were stored for the animals, not really so much for people. So they probably had a lot of chaff with them, whereas the grains more directly suited for humans, I think, came later.
I have other metaphorical interpretations for things, like goats (known for headbutting) as being waves (explaining the half goat, half fish symbol), and serpents being currents. I think the Midgard Serpent, for instance, was the main current of the Baltic. Similarly, I think some of the old descriptions that got turned into monsters were misunderstood over time, with hundred-handed meaning "able to accomplish work quickly," "many-eyed" being watchful, and "single eyed" being focused. No way to know if it's true, I suppose, but for me it tracks with how we see language being used. Tartarus would have been a sour and bitter place, for instance (tartar-ous).
Show me any archaeology for the missing, magical Tribe of Dan. There is ZERO genetic evidence for this whatsoever. The people of Europe are not Semites.
Lush location mate, love the pronunciation.
Yes, I'm another from Dr Hillman.....
Does anyone see the burning purple anointed / christed into the eyes used possibly in a ritual practice to obtain a mystical state?
Thank you
Thanks for the kind words mate, pleased you enjoyed it.
The texts seem to indicate the ritual involved a compound of multiple ingredients. One made of poisons balanced by another which served as an antidote. Check out Dr Hillmans article in “toxicology in antiquity” it’s all in there with sources. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching.
That was a lot of information in a short video. I'll need to watch it a couple more times to form a worthwhile question. My brain keeps sticking on the grammar.
I hope you stopped off for a pint of Old Peculiar at the White Bear.
Hi William, thank you, Im pleased you found it informative. The grammar is tough..the word order doesn't necessarily matter. Ill try and give a better explanation of how the words are working together on the next one.
I didnt get chance this time unfortunately but Im a big ale fan..especially Guinness. Ill have to check out the White Bear next time, always on the look out for a hidden gem. Thanks for the recommendation. Cheers!
@@auld_boy I studied Russian for a couple of semesters, so I understand the cases/endings. My issue is it has been a while and I have to refamiliarize with the terms and relearn how to memorize. I’m 65, and I’ve been retired 9 years…
You may not know the band, but the White Bear was a favorite of Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull.
@@williamwilson6499 I can relate, if i even take a week off Greek my vocab starts slipping so I can imagine! I’ve heard of Jethro Tull but not really listened to them..I’ll give them a whirl and will make sure o stop off there next time!
Does Auld Boy like a cup of purple T?
Yorkshire Gold for me! But I am fascinated by these ancient medical texts and the knowledge they had..same with their geometrical, musical and mathematical knowledge. I’ll dive into all that at some point. Cheers for watching 👍
@@auld_boy Geometry is a branch of Mathematics, and much of the math the Greeks were doing were clearly and demonstrably known by their neighbors, like the Egyptians and Babylonians, well before they were documented in Greece, most famously the "Pythagorean Theorem", which was know to both groups long before the Greeks, as well as concepts like the square-root of 2.
All forms of music are equally "good" and arbitrary in their rule sets(Theory). Some methods impose rigid, mathematical frequencies on each notes to create simple, whole number ratios of each other (i.e. "Just Intonation") to create a scale, which can only be applied within a given key while so-called "Twelve Tone Equal Temperament" scales are applicable to all keys and most often used in "Western" music. Other forms of "Classical" music are infinitely more complex rhythmically than anything the Greeks did, as well (see: Indian Konokal).
The Greeks are neat, but they're no where near as original as people think.
Lime? Like the wash they would use in their hair? Like a mud?
It’s ringing a bell about the hair dye..I’ll look into it further and will do some digging in the text and will let you know 👌
@@auld_boy Doc mentioned something about a mud yesterday & my first thought was of the lime wash in the hair of at least the Celtic folks on the islands & I think it might have been on the mainland too. Then hearing you talking about burning the shells to make lime just made that random thought stick out. I love that you always have something that sparks my inquisitive mind
It’s wonderful you hear you reading the old language. It sounds very haunting. Can tell you’re really having a good time.
@@suzylogan3524 thank you, I absolutely love the Ancient Greek. It sounds like nothing else! I’m pleased that came across on the video. Thanks again for watching.
@@kariannecrysler640 I went over the passage with Ammon one lesson and looking over my notes, I have one which says “hair dye” so there must be some connection for sure! I’ll definitely do some digging. I’m pleased to hear you are finding the texts interesting. It’s some of the most interesting material IMO 👌
Ash is acidic and can be used as a poultice on most open wounds. Wool also has lanolin which is still used in skin creams. Pine produces many compounds when burned, including turpentine/pitch, that can also be used to cover a wound, as can honey, which has long been known to be anti-microbial. We can't forget the psychosomatic/placebo response, as well, which was never controlled for in Antiquity. On the contrary, it was relied upon most of all, as virtually ever form of healing was also a form of "Faith Healing".
As for "curing caner", no. That's a deeply unethical statement to make and could result in legal action, if you aren't careful. All cancers are GENETIC in origin. No form of topical ointment, purple or not, can "cure" it. I wok in Mohs Surgery(skin cancer) and can assure you of this 10,000 times over.
I'm begging you to spend as much time studying real Oncology, Pharmacology and Genomics as you do Ancient pseudo-medical texts. You owe it to yourself and your audience. Not doing so, only makes you look foolish to people who have actually studied these diseases and their underlying pathophysiology.
Real science is 100,000x more interesting, and useful than fake science. I promise ;)
The text says it checks it, I’m asking the question of what does that mean exactly. Does he mean it cures it? Stops it getting worse? Or superficially burns the treated area off? I didn’t once make the statement it was a cure, hence the question 👍
@@auld_boy Give me the medical definition of "checks it".
@@KarlKarsnark Oxford definition of Check:
stop or slow the progress of (something, typically something undesirable).
"efforts were made to check the disease"
- a stopping or slowing of progress.
Black sun profile pic, works in Rockefeller medical industry, acts like a smug d-hole about "real" science.
You got it all going on bro. 🤡