Origin of Maya civilization | Ed Barnhart and Lex Fridman
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Ed Barnhart is an archaeologist and explorer specializing in ancient civilizations of the Americas. He is the Director of the Maya Exploration Center, host of the ArchaeoEd Podcast, and lecturer on the ancient history of North, Central, and South America. Ed is in part known for his groundbreaking work on ancient astronomy, mathematics, and calendar systems.
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*GUEST BIO:*
Ed Barnhart is an archaeologist and explorer specializing in ancient civilizations of the Americas. He is the Director of the Maya Exploration Center, host of the ArchaeoEd Podcast, and lecturer on the ancient history of North, Central, and South America. Ed is in part known for his groundbreaking work on ancient astronomy, mathematics, and calendar systems.
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This whole podcast (full thing, not just clips) was so interesting. Particularly as an gut in the U.S. who's been down to that region a handful of times learning about the history there at a surface/museum level.
the Petén area that Ed references is pretty amazing. I've been to the Mirador Maya site. It's a 2 day walk. Highlight of my life. Highly recommend it
This was an excellent podcast. Lex asked questions that I actually thought about
Im from Manta in Ecuador and here we are taught that the Manteño-Huancavilca traded with the Mixtec peoples in the west coast of what now is Mexico
Lex, youve gotta watch the "Mysterious cities of Gold" cartoon series from the 80's, it's got all this stuff in it, olmecs, spanish scoundrels, jade masks, maps and gold, its a great story. I was obsessed with this as a child👍👌🇦🇺
Living in a part of Atlanta with a sizeable population of Guatemalans it is an inevitability to meet Mayans. I have been friends with a Mayan family for about 15 years now. They speak Quiche among each other and Spanish in public.
As Mr. Barnhart said they are small people. Pound for pound they are the physically strongest people I have ever known. When I was younger I worked with some Mayans and was often bewildered at how strong they were. At 19 I was 6' tall and weighed 238 lbs. I could bearhug a 10 gallon can of railroad spikes and walk with it. I once struggled to set up a 40 steel ladder and took a break to drink some water only to come back and find the ladder missing. I looked around and found one of the guys I worked with, a 4'10" man named Jose walking with the ladder like it was a bag of cotton balls, holding it upright and carrying it with one arm.
It is sort of a meme among Guatemalans and Mexicans that the Mayan people are so strong. When you ask them about it they will tell you the same thing today that Jose told me all those years ago: "It's the corn". They believe that corn carries a sort of imbued strength within it and that consumption of it has a sort of sympathetic magic. Many of them will tell you that their "Mayaness" so to speak stems from the consumption of corn. When you then look at their mythology and see the importance of corn and their continuum of culture it is enough to give you chills.
Lex my youngest was born when I came back from the same place that Paul is over in the Amazon. So I had a Amazon Native Xingu high class girl name him. Later when my Maya friends heard that, it turned out very similar almost the same name in Mayan. That just shows there is definitely some connection between the folks.. Even the simple fact that I got to know folks from those nations shows that it's not difficult to have ties.
Great interview - Ed one of a kind
This guy is great Lex. Get him on again.
I’d love to hear more about the Zapotec culture and its connection to the Olmec as they were pre Mayan civilization. They may have been peers to the Olmec…
Anything is a possibility in terms of Pre-Columbian contact and cultural diffusion. I grew up on a farm in S.E. Alabama. Anytime we tilled or there was a substantial rain we found artifacts. When I was ten we had a pond dug and had about 20 massive piles of sand. Sifting in them I found seemingly out of place artifacts. My father and I took them to archaeologists at an event in a nearby state park where they invited the public to bring historic relics. One artifact was an obsidian spear point from the Southwest. The other was an ornately carved Inuit cribbage board.
Supposedly the Osage language from what is now Missouri and Kansas has multiple similarities to Nahuatl including multisyllabic words of identical meaning. Again, anything is possible.
That’s very interesting. Possibly showing long distance movement of people to a single region over time. Have you got photos of these artefacts? Would be interesting to see them
@@isaiahrowe8367 I wish did have photos. I was telling my wife sometime back the sheer volume of artifacts we had when I was a kid. At one point we kept them in plastic 5 gallon paint buckets with lids. A bucket of large points, a bucket of birdpoints, a bucket of pottery shards, a bucket of stone axeheads, a bucket of grindstones, etc. Some of the good stuff was donated such as the cribbage board and large shards of complex curvilinear stamped pottery. My parents divorced and I don't think either of them knew what became of any of it. My father was a specialist in historic restoration who did a lot of work in St. Augustine and was friend of Mel Fisher so I guess he had other interesting finds.
...thank you...Fantastic talk...
He didn’t even mention the people of El Salvador that lived there!
Ed is awesome. I listen to his podcast.
fascinating
Mayans had an expert level difficulty starting point. Middle of the freaking jungle making it difficult to gather stone and other resources, little to no animals to domesticate, no beast of burden/horses available and they managed to create an interesting civilization
The thing that impresses me about how old the cultures in South America must be is the incredible Mayan calendar. I haven't Googled the dates for this post, but I think they had a calendar accurate to the day for a few thousand years which was carved into stone thousands of years ago. That didn't spring out of nowhere.
No not really.
The maya are from North America
@@briansanchez6699
What does that even mean? North and South America are a recent construct.
@@drstevej2527but by modern terms you know what he meant.
@@rileyontheroad
No I don’t as North America is a very large place. Is he referring to Mexico or somewhere in Northern Canada?
7:24 not Ed explaining why Central Americans are short 😂
I think he intended it as humor, not as some sort of Lamarckian theory.
In my opinion I believe that the people that settled Central America and Peru came from Polynesian sea fairer. The sweet Potato! Also an indication that this people interacted. Why would you leave the Plains of America with excellent weather and buffalo to cross a giant desert and the settle in an inhospitable jungle. I think civilization came from the pacific not the Bearing strait cross
They left it because it was a fairly different (and more dangerous world) when they arrived. The ice age still gripped the north, so much of that region was hard to survive in and the huge number of predatory species roaming North America as compared to today, like American and cave lions, several bear species. Also it’s the fact humans do tend to naturally migrate, even if an area seems ‘nice’, they move and once they reach somewhere else, they don’t just decide to go back thousands of miles because they thought it’s better (plus this happens over generations rather than a single journey). Also, genetic evidence shows the south and Central Americans are from the same heritage and Polynesian’s couldn’t have seeded them, however it’s very reasonable to assume they had contact and some sort of exchange. Even the Amazonian people are very similar to the Andean/Inca.
DNA doesn't match. but contact is not impossible
We are only in the infancy of truly understanding the civilizations of Meso America, Central America, and the Amazon. The next 20 years of archeological discovery has me excited.
There were people living almost at the tip of South America 30,000 years ago and we don’t know how they got there.
Nonsense
@@terrylong8894
Wrong
There's some hand print cave paintings thereabout, Patagonia, read said very old.
@@dsharpness
Which no one has any firm dating for. Certainly nothing that the scholarly community supports.
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Book of Mormon stories that my teacher tells to me are about the (olmecs|maya) in ancient history. Long ago their fathers came from far across the sea, given this land if they live righteously.
I wouldn’t believe ANYTHING that comes from that source…the religions creator made up and added verses to the book of genesis talking of a prophecy of his coming lol. A completely made up rhetoric, common of a conman (which he was known as). Also the huge amounts of racism in Mormonism and their attempt to whitewash ancient america, no wonder they teach the maya came from the sea… were they from Europe by any chance, according to the book?
I cant think of a time I ever saw you cover your face like this.
It is disingenuous to say the Olmec had religion. They brought knowledge, not necessarily practices. The Maya acculturated it the same way all the cultures did.
Everyone got the 20 days and 36 deccans, the 2 best cycles to know to understand our reality. It is hard science. Don Alejandro in 2008 told me that they received the 20 days from the Olmecs 6,000 years ago. Batz is the first day. Pretty simple message.
Meaning you have no source.
Don Juan in the Castaneda books...he claimed that the Nagual coven he belonged to traced their lineage as a group back to the Olmec, if I'm not mistaken. Or maybe it was Toltec. Been 30 years since I read the books and I was enjoying some rare plants back then.
They were just humans overtaking the tempels from our ancestors
8:21 exactly 10000BCE... #AncientEgyptians traveled the oceans and seeded civilization with indigenous populations... Very likely #OLMECS are #AncientEgyptians
.................CmON....
I'm not saying it was aliens but.....
North America and South America and Canada and Alaska where all the same people turtle island
No, they were not
Think of the Olmec as Germans and Maya as British. Both mesoamerican, but diffferent people
Its more like the Olmec were like all Europeans, who split up into different cultural/ethnic groups. Western Europe was once all Gaelic, and then it split after cultural genocide occurred in wars from foreign invaders. The Maya were and are like the Irish, and the Aztec were and are more like the British. The British and Irish- once both were Gall's, but when colonizers/conquerors came the British sold out and joined the colonizers, became their Nordic and Saxon oppressors, and got a superiority complex and attacked their Irish relatives and genocided them. They think they're better and hunted down their own relatives, conquered, subjugated, and ethnically cleansed their identity in themselves and their relatives, to form a new 'superior' identity. Aztec are like Brits, Maya are like the Irish.. Mexico, Latino, and Hispanic are all new European terms for what used to be indigenous people.. the British and the Azdiks are racist and oppress their relatives to this very day.
@@Fatherof4-sn5kb aho
@@Fatherof4-sn5kb...sharp...the so called "conquest" of the Aztecs was basically due to the surrounding peoples that hated the stronger Aztecs and they allied in great numbers with the primitive spanish and help them, plus the sickness that the europeans brought with them that mostly did the job...
@@guillermotowers8625 plus Malinche. She was the linchpin in the entire operation. Without her Cortez would have never been able to communicate, despite having the help of the Spanish sailor who had shipwrecked 20 years before in Veracruz and learned the language.
I am of the same thinking as Ed Barnhart, Olmec, maya and zapotec cultures evolutioned at the same time and interchanged advancements like calendar, numbers and others
Just please don’t say extraterrestrials
....ok, lets say people from space...
@@guillermotowers8625 ain’t no people from space but us. We ain’t no common occurrence in the universe. We ain’t even a common occurrence here. We should have went extinct a long time ago but we still here because of us! Well, our ancestors.
@@TheeMaddScienctist Do you honestly believe there is no other intelligent life out there?
@@ether23-23 I believe it’s a possibility. I don’t have all my chips on anything I can’t prove for certain
All people(s) of the Americas descended from "pre-history" clans of the Hopi Nation (clans). All of these separate cultures had pre-historical backgrounds in technology which was quite extensive, therefore allowing each of the cultures a good "head start" from their respective cultural evolutions. The histories of all Pre-Columbian peoples is far more vast than what is known. The Hopi literally migrated ACROSS the Pacific into modern-day Arizona. They do not have Athabascan ancestry (migration from the deep north), as what is commonly assumed.
He wants to live in a 'nice town' rather than 'eating rations' in the pursuit of profound hidden truths about the Maya. At the end of the day sugar trumps the pursuit of knowledge for this guy. He spouts cliches, he says nothing original or interesting. What a joke lol
lol you forgot about Zapoteca the cloud people if you know your history bro
While he is knowledgeable- it makes no sense that he says Nicaragua and Costa Rica is not part of Mesoamerica when their Native population spoke Nahuatl-based languages….which is the language of the Toltecs/Aztecs and maybe even Olmec….🤔
Language does not dictate region as uto-aztecan language group derived from Utah in the southern west United States.
@@Andres-uw2kf thanks for this clarification. If you can be bothered - what is/are the defining element(s) of a region for archaeologists?
2:24 the #olmecs are likely #AncientEgyptians 😮
oof those sideburns