Voice Teacher Analyzes JINJER - Perennial (Live at Wacken Open Air 2019)
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2019
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I hope this observation on how she sings helps you figure out how the voice works better, so you can learn how to make smart choices in your own voice.
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My brother was their tour manager for their first US tour. He said she nailed it consistently every night. The whole band seems really well-rehearsed from every live video I've seen.
@LiverHook Placed Try Igorrr and Parpaing. George the Neck goes great as usual, in that song.
Tati and Jinjer are f**king amazing... Ukraine - one love
I love Sam's "stank face" when he is into the music 😂
Jinjer puts stank face on everyone who hears them lol
Typical when your listening to Tatiana
Shhh.... He can hear you.
Beat me to it
Stank face! Limp Biscuit cover band name! Called it.
She's not "pushing for it" cause it's the last song. She's tired. The band's tired. But she's still doing such an amazing job.
Lip synching in rock or metal is the quickest way to end one's career.
or you deal with it the Iron Maiden way ua-cam.com/video/F0dm3Xee42o/v-deo.html
From 1st hand experience, she absolutely does NOT lip sync. She is just that good.
I'm really glad you're into metal because there's just so many super talented people pushing the limits of human capability in these genres.
b4nny?
Exactly!
COULDN'T AGREE MORE...
I reckon there will be a sudden plague of vocal chord polyps amongst the “death grunters”, and it will go way outta fashion.
@@SvenTviking Yeah, you have no idea what you're saying.
I saw Jinjer live two days ago. The harmony vocals were added in post production. They are not used live. The only effects used are the same that every singer has live and in the studio. Compression and some reverb/delay. Tatiana is extremely talented. That's all her.She doesn't need nor use any electronic help for her growls/screams or singing.
Nice objective statement
In fact, there is an interview with bassist from Jinjer where he pointed that they actually add back-vocal parts also live. And it make her job even harder as she must match harmony every time perfectly;
Here is a bootleg vid of the same performance reacted to by Sam.Guess what? No backing vocal tracks. ua-cam.com/video/cWZZy06uD3Y/v-deo.htmlm57s As I said. They were added in post production. Maybe they have used backing vocal tracks in the past. Dunno. I just haven't heard them in any live vid I've seen.There certainly were not any backing vocal tracks at the Jinjer show I saw a few days ago. Peace.
@@gtrsean2429 It's a band's choice to use them or not. For some venues it would be way easier to mess the mix if there are problems with the acoustics, and it's a PITA to level the volume.
My comments were about the performance of Perennial reacted to by Sam. I proved my comments to be true buy posting the same performance filmed/recorded from a fan. It "did not" have the backing vocals. The backing vocals in that vid were added later in post production. That's all.This isn't a debate if backing tracked vocals are cool or not cool to use live. : )
and remember... that was the last song of their show. She did a whole show before this song. Crazy.
Agreed many vocalists get fatigued after the performance.
I saw jinjer in philly in a bar that could fit just about 50 people in it. Believe me, she is making everyone of those sounds live.
I saw Jinjer live this past Thursday in a very, VERY small venue and she sounds just like this, if not better. When she did "I Speak Astronomy" it gave me chills. It was awesome. She's an amazing front woman.
"hi I'm Sam Johnson😁 and I'm a reborn metalhead"
"Around the D, under the A" - Sam Johnson
Rofl
Dirty boy! Dirty dirty dirty!
@LorenzoVonMatterhorn No, the spot is the G ;)
This actually made me laugh out loud thnx 😂
Tyler Webb
Yessss. Well done
Tatiana is my voice idol-- her growls are incredible and cleans are so, so nice. So glad they're blowing up more and more
her screams are 100% legit, she can go as deep or as high as you hear, when you develop a safe technique it is almost effortless, yeah obviously delay and tiny effects can make it sound even cooler but is not like she needs it
This! I couldn’t figure out how to phrase this in my comment but effortless is the right word! That’s how I feel with my harsh vocals now. They come out so easy and I could do that super loud all day without fatiguing my voice whereas I feel trying to belt just as long with be exhausting. It’s definitely a lot more effortless once you’re used to doing harsh vocals.
As an audio guy also with tons of live experience to echo other sentiments, I hear three things: compression, EQ and delay. Maybe a smidge of reverb too. Honestly it’s pretty standard live vocal stuff. Great video as always Sam!!
Ikr, Jeff? Yet some people are always trying to come up with the most ridiculous insinuations that something else other than Tatiana is producing those sounds.
Peasants. But hey, if the artist and techs are killing it to give the magic and illusion of something far beyond... we nailed it.
yeah its all pretty standard live vocal processing, but, there is some double track vocal added post production too - dont think that was at all on any of the harsh though
Just watched the video, same background. Was going to say the same.
Try to lip sync in a metal concert and get out alive if you can.
everybody is lovely until that shit happens :)
Seriously. It would ruin a band.
@@Kabz8 didn't break lordy...
in reality, most people don't pay attention to things like this, people just getting a good time. artist can be totally fake (I'm not saying Tanya is "fake"), but still people will enjoy that in "live" environment, especially considering most people getting drunk on concerts :D
80's metal video clips!
She's such an amazing frontwoman. Undeniable power!
Sam has AWESOME metal face. Straight berserker my man!
Did he just say making fuck?
Im not familiar with JINJER, I was shocked by what came out first lol. Will definitely look into them. Great analysis Sam. I appreciate that you refer out and say when you are not comfortable with something. True professional
They are one of the most talented metal bands ive seen
They're quite fantastic, the Pisces live recording was the first video I say and needless to say I was surprised when she moved from clean vocals to growls
Jinjer is absolutely amazing. Easily became my favorite metal band the first time I heard them.
I'd recommend their live performance of *I Speak Astronomy* at the Summer Breeze festival (should be on youtube). Not only is this band absurdly talanted on all musical fronts, but Tatiana also has an immensely captivating stage presence and that particular performance shows that off really well.... well... pretty much all of their live performances do, but that one's a standout to me ;)
Another Jinjer video? Hold a sec I need popcorn for this. Haven't checked out their new music yet, this'll be a first.
@@evkurywczak6201 hope so! I only learned of Jinjer from Sam's reaction and analysis of Pisces some months back so I'm still pretty new to the band. So far? Very impressed
Kevin A. Groove and reggae influence for sure but still NASTAYYYYYY
@@evkurywczak6201 HAH nasty in the best possible way yeah. I'm actually a total philistine when it comes to reggae but I might actually explore the genre now that I'm getting into it.
Also, check out their song Teacher Teacher. Good stuff.
@@kirstenbakker839 think I saw that pop up on their Instagram haha. Will make time for it later- thanks!
BOOM! Love that you’re reacting to a live performance of her.
Love these. Especially when its my preferred genre of music! And I love it even more when I see it as soon as its uploaded
Me too!
Out of all the vocal coach videos i see I think you are the best. Props!
YES I have never clicked on a notification so quickly. I have been hoping you would react to her performing this song since its release!
My sister saw Jinjer live at Download this year and said she sounded very similar (like a badass were her exact words!). She is simply amazing!
I don't typically like growling vocals...but I really like hers. She's something else.
I think a lot of it is that she is articulate within it. I would say I understand about the same amount of the growls and screams that I do clean and its really impressive.
Probably because the way the song is structured between screams and cleans, it breaks up the monotony of the extreme music. Makes hardcore music more accessible to the mainstream. Jinjers unique song structures are what really make them shine.
I think it's silly how people are so obsessed by whether vocalists are using some type of effects on their voice. Esp in metal. You wouldn't be that upset if a guitarist used distortion, or when the orchestral track wasn't produced by an actual on stage orchestra?
The voice is another instrument in this mix, and sometimes it needs an extra layer or effect to give it that added power.
You re still a skilled musician...
I thought it was only effects that change the pitch of voices that people hate/think is cheating. I've never heard people moaning about the standard delay/reverb that is added to virtually every singer in virtually every genre of live music.
I will never not watch a jinjer video by THE SAM JOHNSON
You sound delirious, to an Englishman...
Pete Grusky fight me
@@Karen-vf8no I'm not an English person, but "never not" sounds very confusing. ;)
Pete Grusky whats your managers phone number? I’d like to speak to them
@@Karen-vf8no what's YOUR manager's phone number? 🤔
This song actually made me shed a tear before. Not even the clean part, it was so damn dirty and crazy that I couldn’t help but get super into it
I have watched many vocal coach reactions, and you've had the best analyses that I have come across. You make the most sense of all that I have seen.
I was there for this set and they totally ruled the whole day. Incredible live!
The thought of her lip syncing never crossed my mind. And still doesn’t.
She does not . I know
Seen them live literally a few feet from her next to stage. She is legit.
Love you so much, Sam.... I've always been afraid to sing, only singing to my girls at bedtime and because of you, i don't give a damn anymore and I drive everyone insane and LOVE IT! I've found the joy of singing! Thanks so much!
Me too Heather!!! I still can't sing normally in front of people but I'll get there too ❤
Love seeing another JINJER video! You should react to Serj Tankian
I just saw them last night. Small venue. Her voice is *so* solid, even live, every time, every song, every note. She has hella talent.
In an interview she said she began taking vocal lessons at 8, and she began her professional career in her teens by singing for a punk band. She definitely knows what she's doing, and if you look at any of Jinjer's tour schedules you'll see that she's been doing this night after night for years on end.
How am I just now finding your channel?? You’re so much fun to watch
"Not me. Someone who knows what they are doing with this." Excellent advice.
you're very right. the false folds are twice the size of your glottal folds. women can get down really low with false fold sounds like this. and a common misnomer is that a false cord scream uses the false folds while a vocla fry doesn't...but no both resonate the false folds the fry just has more true or glottal cord involvement...this is why in fry screams you get cool overtones because two different folds are both resonating. it's how tuvan style singing works as well.
She's not doing false chords (the cookie monster sound) She's actually doing a fry scream, she just has a naturally deep fry. You can tell it's fry scream by the tone of some of it and also because of how long she can scream words without excessive breathing. If she was false chord screaming you have to breathe in air about every 5 words as it requres a lot more air flow.. I recommend looking up "voice hacks" channel on youtube and look for the jinjer video, they have a good way of explaining her vocals.
Was just about to say this
Facepalmed so much. She is far from an expert. And you messed up, singing on false cords is safe. Fry scream is an elementary designation of a screaming on the vocal cords that does not end well
I'm 99% sure she's using both 🤷♂️
They are currently on North American tour, so there are already a lots of not that great private recordings from cameras and phones, but you can still hear she's legit!
There's also a "raw" recording of this Wacken concert, filmed right in front of the P.A. You can hear Tatiana's voice pretty well and it's not that much different from this more "produced" version. : )
Really sad i couldn't get tickets
Saw them in a tiny 700 person club in Mesa. Absolutely killer show.
Tatiana is such a big talent, I’m glad Jinjer is beginning to grow in popularity in the world of Metal. Their tour regiment is definitely bigger than I believe it was before “Pisces” started making the rounds. Hopefully it won’t affect her live sound too much with how often they’re performing live now.
I worry about them burning out. 130 performances last year and 150 this year.
Jeffrey Fisher yeah, that is another concern. I know it happens when a band rapidly gains popularity, but I hope that they’ll give themselves a break every now and then so they don’t burnout.
always good to see a jinjer react video
I'm thinking boosted gain in the mic, delay, reverb, could even have a sustainer on it. These days you can get all those effects on a computer but also stomp boxes or rack units. pretty sure the harmonies are coming from a backing track. They've got ear pieces in and I'm sure they're playing to a metronome so when the backing tracks sync perfectly. Complex bands do that a lot. Nightwish has some videos where the sound guys show you whats happening behind the scenes like effects, backing tracks, its all mapped out on the computer through logic or pro tools.
It's no secret that Jinjer use backing tracks, you can hear them in their live performances of I Speak Astronomy, Words Of Wisdom or Captain Clock. Vlad has a laptop right beside him for a reason. : )
But they never use vocal backing tracks live. In this case the vocal harmonies were added in post, they're not present in the "raw" live recording of this concert.
They do use backing tracks. So harmonies that were recorded, as well as the second guitars.
I love your reaction videos! Also very informative - thank you
INSTANT LIKE. Would love to see you analyze Einar of Leprous!
Jen G. Yeeesssssssssssss! Such an unique voice.
Wow! Had never heard of them before. Absolutely amazing!
Thank you 👍🏻
That would be awesome! Einar voice is just amazing
I can do it here: A fuck ton of falsetto and a good natural vibrato voice
Yeeees!! Leprous please!!
SAM Jinjer is awesome ! She has so many voices she's a natural really great singer so much depth and tone beautiful voice i have worked with a lot of singers over the years she is amazing and yes i agree the sound system has a lot to do with it but who cares she has found something that works for her and her band and it's awesome. Something about this woman i can't put my finger on it but she is really something special i get a really good feeling when i hear her voice i'm a huge fan. I find music pretty boring as a whole i'm 50yrs old and she has brought back evoked a feeling me that i have not had in 20yrs. She is the real deal i agree she is a great performer.
I saw them last Wednesday and they were great. Your Pisces reaction was my first exposure to Jinjer - so thanks for that! :D as to what she can naturally do with her growls, there are some old bootlegs uploaded before they even had a record label that sound utterly awesome. My favorite being the cover of Lamb Of God's "Laid To Rest" uploaded by NosSam in summer 2012.
FINALLY WE HAVE BEEN BLESSED BY SAM ONCE AGAIN 😍
I heard her (Tatiana) said in an interview that she only growls when she sings a song. Not exercises or fancy techniques for taking care of her vocal cords than that.
Love watching your videos.
Man I'll never forget requesting Jinjer on your channel comments and then seeing a video a few days later, I was so pumped, AND NOW ANOTHA ONE? heck ya!
On an interview, that you can watch on youtube, Eugene (the bassist) mentions that there's a delay and reverb effect on Taiana's vocals, she also says "I think they mean if I do other stuff to sound like this not the effects on the general voice sound" and she then proceeds to explain that it is through technique that she actually won't recommend to try without technique and that she developed her sound through time. Once mentioned that, Tatiana doesn't do lipsync. I have seen them live three times, she has the ability that she shows and reach deep and high notes on the range without problem. She does sound less clean when live than this one (you can check videos on their tour and live sessions from fans) but you have to count that his was f*ing Wacken Open Air and that this is actually the clip from the Wacken page which has post production in ALL cases. On concert you can tell there's no backing track with her, just the regular delay and as nobody does chorus for her (no one else sings in the band) there are some phrases added but not the whole song.
Saw an interview with her where she says she doesn’t do a warm up, at all..... ever!
😮🤯
Some athletes do hardly any either. So it could be true
Same with Angela
Does a lion limber up before taking down a gazelle?
She’s probably always warm, besides first thing in the morning. If you’re a singer/vocalist at the top of your game in one of the most complex genres of music you sing every single day, she’s probably always practicing. How else will you get better at that point in your career?
I learned so much, great video!
The intro of the song and the harmonies are taken from the original track. Yes.
But the reverb you feel in the microphone is not a "computer effect" is processed inside the actual microphone.
Sam, you are my favorite voice teacher to experience watching. You give us so much more in your analysis than most others I stumble across. Thanks so much for giving us a deeper look into the world that you love so much!
Love the new Instagram Q&A segment!
Seeing them in 9 days. Can't wait!!!
Im goin this Thursday!!!!
The harmonies that sound when she sings the clean parts are pre-recorded, but she sings the "main" voice live.
What a goddess. Really enjoy your videos, Sam!
You just made my week!
Love Jinjer 😁👍👍 so talented
There are a few bootlegs of Jinjer’s performance at Wacken, and it DOES NOT include the back tracking. Her voice is still very rich, especially for the mediocre audio quality of the bootlegs, but the secondary vocals are added in post. Napalm Records, who posted the video, added the studio backings to the vocals after the show specifically for the video.
So lovely to see your enjoyment of this sound Sam 💜
One more group to add to the 'To Listen' list. Thank you!
And I love that you enjoy this so much. When I tell my friends I watch a Voice Teacher UA-cam channel, they think it's all classical music for some reason. Why though? Why? Ugh...
You're great!
I love ya man! Just watching and listening to reacts actually helped my voice.
After seeing them in concert a few days ago.I can't say I recall any of the harmonies I've heard in the video here.The sound was great but not as polished as this video. There wasn't any lipsyncing at the show. You could hear her take breaths and her voice would change a bit with certain movements etc.The switch from clean to growl/fry was seamless. I'm not saying she isn't getting any help from the sound board but just emphasizing that she's the real deal and that her voice is consistently performing at this level.
As always I enjoy your videos. Thanks for doing what you do sir.
This.Woman.Is.So.Amazing.
Love Jinjer cant wait to see them in Oct!
She is so awesome!
I love you Sam!
I love Jinjer. Fun video thanks.
I seen a video of them live in a basement bar in Germany in 2017 and she sounds pretty damn close to this, amazing.
Her vocals are UNREAL!!!!! You introduced me to this band!
Can you please analyze Kimbra singing Plain Gold Ring live at Sing Sing Studios? I think you'll really enjoy it and I would love to hear your thoughts on her performance!
10:22 LOL he just went from Patrick Star to Squidward
I never really fully understand what you say, but love all your reviews!
8:50 ive seen her live, that song has 2 tracked parts to make it sound more like the album version. The very beginning and this part
I love that Sam is just getting into it!
I see Jinjer I click.
May I suggest a Dan Tompkins track from Tesseract/White Moth Black Butterfly
Or Elnar from Leprous
I was at a festival in my country where leprous and Tesseract sang in the same night:)) the ticket was like 25 euros, and i ve seen many other local bands
There is an original harmony track in the background, but only in the higher register notes. The rest is simply compression and reverb/delay.
I can tell for this singer, along with Alissa White-Gluz and Angela Gossow. They don't hurt (or -didn't hurt-, since Angela doesn't sing anymore) their voices in any way by screaming. Arch Enemy goes on touring for months with 20, 30 gigs, several of them in consecutive days and the singer is just fine. Healthy screaming doesn't damage the voice at all when doing properly and it can be done in the long term like any other kind of singing.
Sam's face when he's into the metal lmao
I just saw them last week here in Phoenix AZ. PHEONOMENAL PERFORMANCE!!!
I’m glad to see someone who understands how difficult it is to make some of these sounds, and how they’re made. One of the reasons Tatiana can switch back and forth between the cleans and screams so quickly and “effortlessly”, is due to the relaxation that was pointed out in the beginning. Tension tends to lead more towards a standard fry-scream, which can be harmful. But she’s using false chords/folds to get the distortion in a relaxed, easy manner. I know she has said she hurts her voice sometimes, but in general, it’s gotta be relatively healthy if she can still do it daily 10 years down the road.
Peter Gabriel - In Your Eyes ( secret world tour)
With Paula Cole.
I do know that what you hear from her out front is in her ear just the same.(worked the show in San Antonio, her sound engineer handles all mixes with iPad) So picture having that mix coming thru your ear. She gets pumped knowing that she is getting some awesome reinforcement for what she is doing. You nailed your observation!
Love! Great video! Not sure if you've done an impression video of Alissa White-Gluz. I'm curious to know what you think about her voice.
More Jinjer please! Love your analysis on these
Ahhh I'm so happy that you did Jinjer! 🖤🖤🖤
I really love that you react to different genres! And your explanations are so easy to understand even for people who don't know much about singing. After one of your videos I always want to learn how to sing properly. 😄
I know there are a lot of requests under your videos. I hope you forgive me for another one.😅 Could you please react to one of Shinedown's Live Room sessions? They are my absolute favorite band and I'm really curious what you have to say about Brent's vocals.
No problem, if you don't. I'll happily watch other videos too, because you're making them so informative 😊
Completely correct Sam. If making these sounds hurt, you are doing it very wrong. Im by no means at her level, I've just taught myself over the past few years. It does not hurt one bit and can be done by every person on this planet. Its a very primal sound. Its the same sound baby make with a wailing cry. But as we learn to speak, we forget to use what most extreme vocalists call our false chords and we forget how to make that sound.
My favorite Jinjer song
Always love learning from you and enjoying talented artists that I might not normally listen to. Admittedly I despise radio today and rely on my friends and youtube virtual friends such as yourself to find great singers and bands to follow-up on.
According to Tatiana in an interview, they use tracks pre-recorded by her and layered under the live mic to achieve that reverb and harmony sound in their songs.
I've watched several vocal coaches cover this band and this one was the most informative.
I just got back from seeing Jinjer live in Dallas, and they for sure use some backing tracks from their studio recordings (such as the opening dialogue from Perennial), but it's definitely not lip-syncing and I doubt sincerely that there's anybody off-stage doing any of the screaming/singing as some claim.
I happened to be in a band that played a festival in Romania ~7 ago. They played also at that festival (they were not anywhere near as famous as they are now). We were stunned by how amazing she sounded live - and they are such a mature band now :)
I love your videos Sam! More of course analyzing Jinjer, instante like, I am hearing right now another mv from Jinjer "Teacher, Teacher", I think there are a couple of good moments that could be great see you analyze and hear your opinion, thanks for this video!