F-16C Viper: IFR TACAN & ILS Approach & Landing Tutorial | DCS WORLD
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
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2:48 TACAN Radial Approach
8:36 ILS Runway Approach & Landing
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Stop with the trimming. There is no trimming in the Viper (except yaw for bent jets). Also, you're looking for 11 degrees AOA, not "on speed."
LOL love the "bent jets". Lot of those round here.
The problem is that the trim in this module is borked. Give A2A refueling a go and you will see.
There is no roll-trim? What if you are carrying an asymmetric load? Like one fuel tank and a lantern pod? Is that simply not done in the f-16?
On the f-18, two fuel tanks(center and right), and a pod on the left is flown sometimes. It is called, "double ugly". That bird would need roll-trim adjustments durning the flight.
@@mrjava66 the jet does a pretty good job of trimming itself in pitch and roll. But you wouldn't fly with only one fuel tank and a TGP. That's a Hornet thing.
Is it a carry-over effect from other aircraft on the contant trimming thing? The expert(C. W Lemoine) and good knowledge of the Viper says no trimming except in an unbalanced load out. Cap needs to put out this information out to correct this impression.
ILS landing was my favorite thing to do in Falcon. Using just the instruments to put wheels down for a safe landing (to me) was cooler than launching a fox 3.
Qfe does not depend upon altitude. The instrument corrects for altitude. Qfe is only dependent upon weather. High pressure, sunny weather it is higher. Low pressure, cloudy and rainy, it's lower. Works the same way in the Cessna 172.
Nice landinf Cap! great vid. Your HSI one the other day was really good. I tried it at Kish in VFR yesterday works perfectly!
excellent tutorial CAP thank you. Love all the GR stuff please keep it up
Thanks for sharing the mission!
8:45 The glideslope deviation indicator is the little traingle with a deviation scale on left edge of ADI. Bars over center of ADI ball are flight director bars, not localizer and G/S indicators. They work with any other A/P mode active, not only with ILS coupled approach.
That's some nasty flying weather! Nice ils job
Ace video, man! PIO: loved it. Difference between True and Magnetic is called Variation, just for info. Due to house move and job change, PC has been locked up for A YEAR! Treating myself to Viper and Gulf map. Subscribed.
That was excellent! Thank You!.
Remember that if you fly the TACAN radial on runway heading you WILL be off the runway centreline when the ILS localiser kicks in because the TACAN is usually offset from the runway centreline. So expect and be ready to make a small correction.
Andre ARTYMIUK roger. There are three radio transmitters for the setup. First is the tacan. It's a large-ish device, about the size of a garage, round, and roughly sumbaro shaped roof. It has a rotation transmitter inside, and your plan can tell the direction between the radio and itself with the tacan. If you are also transmitting, and the equipment supports the function, you can do DME. And measure your distance to it. This device is normally located some where at the airfield, but not lined up with any runway.
Then the ils also has two transmitters. One is about 250 ft short of the runway, and in line with the center line. It is called the localizer. It provides the signal that your plane uses to tell if it is left or right of the centerline. This device is about the size of a China cabinet or small wardrobe. Some ifr approaches use just the localizer, and don't use/have elevation information available on the approach. You have an altimeter, an airspeed indicator, and a clock, that's enough to land in most ifr conditions.
The final piece of equipment is the angle of approach indicator. (Sorry, I forgot its name.). It is also about the size of a small wardrobe, it should be located just a few meters to the left of the papi. (The two white and two red lights, that you see, when you are on glide slope).
You can go to airnav.com to see the approach diagrams for how this is done with less equipment than a full ils setup. Commercial airports will generally have at least one ils runway. But many general aviation airports make due with less. Also, many commercial airports also have an ils approach that uses just the tacan. Those can let you approach the other runways in ifr, or mvfr weather. Also, 1500ft agl ceilings are fairly common in some places, and easy vfr flying once you are in the pattern, but you will need an approach that inserts you into the pattern.
That was cool af with the lightning on approach
Thanks a lot for your work.
You mention QFE and that the runway is close to sea level, but in this weather I would assume that QNH is much less that 2992 - to be mentioned by the ATC. But then again, you don't need an altimeter for other than establishing your initial altitude, below the glide slope.
Thanks for adding the mission file. That is a really bad weather to horn your IFR skills in. Cheers
The Tad Pole (MAN, I completely forgot the name of that thing! Thanks for reminding me, Cap) works exactly like the two circles landing cueing system of the Flankers (which i also forgot the name), which you have to pursuit the bigger circle that will align you to the glideslope + localiser, and keep it on top of the + symbol in the center of your HUD, and eventually a smaller circle appears and when these two circles are perfectly overlapped and centralised with your HUD Crosshairs (these three symbols combined will actually look like a gun crosshairs) this means you're perfectly aligned for landing.
Both in the Flanker and the Viper, if you simply focus on pursuiting their respective cueing symbology as close to perfect as you can, while you working the throttle for the correct On Speed AoA, you pretty much don't need to worry about anything else (except, of course, only double-checking you have the Three Green for the Gears), and you will land the plane just fine.
Roger agree
Im about to suffocate just by listening to the way you speak lol. But extremely awesome video and fantastic info.
Just a friendly tip - you don't have to trim the Viper for the landing. Moreover you usually never use pitch trim on this aircraft, maybe after taking some battle damage. Roll trim is often used though (i.e. for stores imbalance).
Just curious, why would you not want to trim the plane to be able to keep the stick in a neutral position. This may be because of a short arm length on my desktop joystick but I feel like it’s personally easier to make smaller, consistent movement via the trim such as that needed to this situation. It’s it just not preferred or is there actually something wrong with it?
@@MrCritict333 IIRC Falcon's FBW system is setup such way, that it trims itself automatically across the speed range. So even when you land (slow speed) you will not need to touch the vertical trim at all, airplane will maintain its flight path untill you slow down to below stall speed at which point FBW cannot maintain flight anymore.
Well I could have used this in Through The Inferno last night. Really I should have weather-cancelled but either way. Also, the Caucuses runways don't seem to want to turn on the runway lights in inclement weather, that would have helped.
Edit: Sorry for the repetitive question, as I just saw your video stating why you don't post downloads of all your custom maps anymore. lol
Excellent content and instruction! Sorry if this has been asked before, but which map in this on? I downloaded the mission but it is not available for me to play - assuming it is a map I do not have (as my broke ass does not have any). Thank you again! Your series of instructional videos for the F-16 has been a lifesaver, as it's the only full fidelity mod I have, and I am trying to teach myself (for the first time) a full compliment of systems on an aircraft with extremely limited in-game-tutorials.
Thanks cap :)
TACAN antennas are not in line with the runways on an airfield. That is why when you check your heading vs. the heading you expect do not line up.
Use the force Luke.
I tried this but there is no TACAN info on the aerodrome information just ILS.
Is it removed with the new updates?
PS Loved the tank slapper !!! I guess you can say on landing pulling a weelie of 12 degrees -:)
Great video
I'm confused by one thing, how do you know that you are or are not on speed?
This man around the 7:50 mark says he's slightly off course due to his bad flying ...
My guy, if your flying is bad, mine is in the 💩er 🤣
The quality of your controllers really shows up in these types of evolutions. I got the ThrustMaster stick, throttle and pedals. All three came in the same box and was about $200 for the whole kit. Good enough for basic flying, cheap junk for any precision work like this type landing. If I were to rank the importance of each controller and what you should invest in first, I would say pedals #1, stick #2 then the throttle last. Anyone know where I can find good quality flight sim controllers? lol
Vkb , virpil comes to mind.
"a lot of aircraft dont have an ILS steering cue" *laughs in su27*
lol
@@grimreapers Also do you ride motorcycles? You said that you "got into a bit of a tank slapper" haha
I just tried another ILS landing and the localizer and glideslope were visible and non-dashed in my HUD, just like the usual dot for the steering cue, that you have to follow, at some point the glideslope was under the FPM and the dot was still at horizon level and at some point i overflew the aerodrome by 4000 ft because i trusted the dot
Where does one find the region's magnetic declination? A kneeboard?
Hi Cap. Thanks for the video!
I tried an ILS approach on Kobuleti airfield but after setting the right frequency I had no morse signal, and when I set the course of 064° (checked on the airfield documents pressing "K") and pressed enter, the string line with the course started to flash. So I had no ILS.
Where do I go wrong?
On course setting - you should have typed only "64" then hit Enter. On frequency - no idea, but bare in mind that ILS is relatively short range and relatively directional (+-15 degrees each side of the runway axis in both directions).
How do you set the lay lines?
Thanks for a nice video. What is the procedure if you would have start from the side of the runway? Here it happens to be nice that TACAN guides you in a way you crosses ILS (after slight correction of your course), because runway was quite nicely ahead of you from the beginning. In a situation you start placed right or left from the runway, TACAN guides you towards the middle of airport, would you then arbitrarily try to steer to the correct side of it not to fly directly at the airport, but rather to initial (maybe calling ATC asking for azimuth message that always points rather to initial)? Thank you!
old as your comment is here im sure you've worked it out but for others finding this, by setting a heading and having your distance you can pick any arbitrary number, say 20 miles for example, when you get that distance from your tacan station fly in whatever direction needed to get your azimuth line to that tacan station then turn in on it when you approach the correct azimuth, you could actually overfly the beacon doing the exact opposite direction out to the appropriate distance then turn around so long as your following that azimuth error line and correcting for it
hey Cap, do you know off hand what the magnetic declination is for the Caucuses map?
-6º will do vid on that soon
@@grimreapers Where do you find this information? Is it in the game somewhere?
late to the party but i haz a question.. when looking for true course..cant u use the kneeboard with shift+k and see true course there? why use the ruler with the F10 map..
thoughts?
Ah, yes good thinking
Excellent guide. Very usefull. Works like a charm! Is there a list for magnetic deviation for the other maps like Caucasus and Syria etc?
Caucasus is 6 degrees I think, somewhere I have read it a while back
Edit: Found it...
Caucasus -6°
Nevada -12°
Normandy +1°
Persian Gulf -2°
Syria +5°
In the A10 (and most likely any other aircraft) u can switch heading from true to magnetic and vice versa to find out the magnetic declination of your current Location
Happy flying 😉
Hello CAP, I downloaded this mission from the drive.google link above, loaded in the correct folder, however is does not show up? Your other video with the BVR mission works. Any thoughts? Thanks for all you do.
Is it a .miz file? Strange
@@grimreapers Yes, it is a .miz. Could it be I don't have that terrain package?
How do you toggle active pause? I can’t figure it out
QFE or altimeter are not always 29.92 (?1013?) at sea level. That is merely the standard starting point of measurement.
rgr
Could you do a video on the altimeter adjustment. How do I know what number to use. Where can I find that number?
Right before you take off or get landing cleranxe, the tower gives yku something called a QFE, which is the pressure in millimeters of mercury at the airport. When you take off (I think it's after the runway in use) they will say something like QFE Two Niner decimal Three Eight for QFE 29.38. On your altimeter you adjust it to 2938 (should be a knob), and when you are taking off on the run way, you should be
@@ColHogan-le5yk The altimeter should read within 100 feet of field altitude, not zero. Cap is wrong when he said to adjust the altimeter to zero when you land, the radar altimeter will give you height above the ground.
@@ColHogan-le5yk That’s inches of Mercury not millimetres
I don't know if ED changed something in the game, but the airport we have to approarch in the mission doesn't have TACAN.
Deadly...
I am BOSS at ILS flying the F16. I spent probably 100+ hours flying it in BMS.
They should add some approach plates
*** Great Job ! Now - Night Air-To-Air Refueling in the plane of your choice , with a full combat load ... GO! :)
I haven;t tried night re-fueling in anything yet... tempting
@@grimreapers It's better with NVG equipped aircraft.
@@grimreapers Can you make a short video what magnetic deviation is on which map?
my ils bars are just locked and the his has a red bar on it
Can you make a short video what magnetic deviation is on which map?
Wilco
@@grimreapers THX
There is something called a sectional map. It shows you the magnetic to true deviation. Most places it is pretty small. In the Midwest of the u.s. it is about 3-4 degrees. It changes over time with movement of the magnetic poles. In northern Alaska, it is off by about 20 degrees. Runways are labeled by magnetic directions.
one question which i couldn't find the answer. In a bad weather (foggy) /low altitude flight with no visibility, how can we avoid to crush a mountain?
Listen for and watch your radio altimeter.
Never go visual with zero visibility, that's what the instrumental flying was made for.
i think they have removed TACAN from the khasab airfield
I cannot seem to get the ILS in the 16 to work on the Caucus map. Can anyone verify if it does not work or is it me? It does work on the gulf map and Nellis.
Have not tried Cauc yet.
So it took me a few tries to realise that the MIDS switch turns on the TACAN as well......now, the next problem is my ILS always shows as OFF in the DED. The TACAN I can work out fine, just all the tutorial videos (this and Wag's one) start with the ILS always showing as ON in the DED. Naturally, I get nothing from the ILS.
try using an air-started plane, that should work, and will help you identify the missing switch.
@@grimreapers Thanks for the reply, and I comment only to possible help others who have similar struggles.
Getting an airstarted bird was my first thought, but for the life of me I can't find the difference. I set myself on final at Creech, couldn't get anything other than 'ILS OFF'. I tried the exact same scenario as Wag's ILS demo (110.30, 257 final approach course at McCarran) which didn't work the first time, but worked the second (no change between the two that I could fathom!) Even after the working test, when I turned off the runway the ILS turned to 'OFF' and would not come on again. So I'm at a loss - it's probably me, or my system, but it sure as hell is random for me!
@@grimreapers This teacher is horrible. He goes very fast and leave small details out. I don't even know who to get to the first screen he shows.
how do you add friends to a mission to fly with you?
They just join the server, someone has to host it on multiplayer, and others can connect though lan (if you all are on the same network or have Hamachi or something), or the host of the server opens their port to allow their server to be found by their friends.
Anyone know why command steering almost never get highlighted in my case? I do t/r, ils freq, course heading, tacan freq, everything, but no command steering.
4 months later, I still never get my command steering highlighted. I must be missing 1 step? I don’t know which. Any help would be very much appreciated.
@@sanderossi8013same in here buddy, cant figure out as well. If you’ve found any explanation, please post it in. Thanks
@@queglolg. will do bro!
@@queglolg. the strange thing is I had it highlighted a few times. But I did everything the same.
Now that I am more into carrier landings recently:
With a carrier nothing works unless you manually configure the carrier to enable ils and tacan. Maybe in the mission editor you must manually configure the airport to activate ils as soon as the game starts?
Anyway, I am going to look into this tonight. Let you know!
Same results. Once I connected, command steering was highlighted.
After that one time, it never worked again.
It feels like a bug.
I am pretty sure you meant you never want to go BELOW the glideslope, not above it.
No, he's right. It's more dangerous to be above the glideslope, then try to chase the glideslope diving too fast. You're safe in half dot deviation even below until the runway threshold. Fly safe!
No because you can always correct by just maintaining your altitude until you intercept the slope again if you’re below, if you’re too high you risk going too fast
Better than Wagner's vid. Sorry matt
So if the world was really experience an Independence Day "Will Smith version" the Grim Reapers would be able to attack the ship because you all are virtual pilots? I know it's a silly question
I doubt it. Our puny bodies would be crushed by the G forces.
after mastering the F-18, i cant even do F-16 properly.. LOL
not even a visual straight-in
I think I need to watch a video from someone that drinks less Red Bull....... talk about chatter.... lol
how do you use the auto pilot?
Currently not really working.
Ok, thanks, also really love your vids, keep it up!
I was wondering the same thing. It doesn't work that well apparently.
Runway headings are magnetic, not true. ILS approaches are magnetic as well. You just have to fly the course indicated on the approach plate.
landed in silent hill air base
never go below the GS
Why in the world does the F18 only have this system for carriers
Very nice! This my first, so far only, ifr landing in a10c. Analog only, turned off hud. ua-cam.com/video/YexjP96Uf_U/v-deo.html
Didnt know about measuring true runway heading and/or magnetic difference from true. Should try again.
I downloaded the mission and Khasab doesn't have TACAN xD
84X sounds an awful lot like 86X here, Cap...CORRECT YOURSELF BEFORE YOU WRECK YOURSELF 0:39
no more tacan for that base...
Dont try this on NTTR. I cant get the qfe to work at all.
rgr
It’s not DCS down its dobber
i understand the passion for these educational and instructional videos..but hummm..possible to have a balance??? maybe its cause its the dream f-16? but been almost more then a week..and NO new mission vids, nor FUN group vids..and the like...only F-16 day in day out :)...????? maybe ive missed some explaination ofr purpose of this singular focus???? PLEASE give us some of the old great GR funsters!!!!!! - or at least some crumbs between 'learning' vids ;) thx man!
We do the group missions in evenings. Currently looking after my partner in evenings. With a little luck we may get back to normal next week. Fingers crossed.
We are still flying in the evenings, but without our glorious leader, it descends into chaos, and we get far too excited and forget to film it. 😂😂😂. As cap said, he will hopefully be back to whip us into shape next week.
You are really slow to adjust power. You need to be making constant adjustments. Also, you don't go visual when shooting an ILS until a Decision height even if you can see the runway.
ravagetalon yep. If you pop out of an overcast-layer, and have a broken-layer below you, then the runway can move in and out of sight while you finish the approach. The part of his pre-approach briefing that was missing was his "decision height" determination. On every ifr approach, the pilot needs to consider her skills, consider the approach's equipment, and the published diagram, and then, decide on a decision height. Then check the weather and see how those values compare. If it is favorable, then shot the approach.
That is incorrect, unless you are speaking about military procedure only which I have no experience on. In the real civilian world, if you have the runway environment in sight, threshold, or certain portions of approach lighting(ALS,PAPI,VASI) you are legally free to fly it down visually ignoring DA. Check the far aim
Good Job CAP what does C.W. Lemoine know. You would think he was a pro to give you his opinion. LOL bah probably an F18 pilot. They are the worse.
lols
Thumb down for skipping steps.
Too bad skill...
The Tad Pole (MAN, I completely forgot the name of that thing! Thanks for reminding me, Cap) works exactly like the two circles landing cueing system of the Flankers (which i also forgot the name), which you have to pursuit the bigger circle that will align you to the glideslope + localiser, and keep it on top of the + symbol in the center of your HUD, and eventually a smaller circle appears and when these two circles are perfectly overlapped and centralised with your HUD Crosshairs (these three symbols combined will actually look like a gun crosshairs) this means you're perfectly aligned for landing.
Both in the Flanker and the Viper, if you simply focus on pursuiting their respective cueing symbology as close to perfect as you can, while you working the throttle for the correct On Speed AoA, you pretty much don't need to worry about anything else (except, of course, only double-checking you have the Three Green for the Gears), and you will land the plane just fine.
"The bigger circle" is called a flight path vector (FPV).