Met Sir Keith Park when I was 11 - he was to me, an elderly very tall gentleman in a beautiful black Bentley, pulled into my father's gas station to refill, got introduced, he said ""How do you do, Young Man?"' Commemorated here in NZ with the Keith Park Memorial Air Collection at Auckland's Museum of Transport & Technology and his birthplace of Thames with the local airport being named after him - replicas of his Hurricane OK-1 are in place at both locations!
My parents, both Londoners met in a bomb shelter at the height of the Blitz in 1940. They carried on as usual and got married in Peckham in 1942. They were made of strong stuff in those days!!
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Yep. Helped save the free world and got sacked for the tactics they successfully used to do so. The “Big Wing” simply wouldn’t have worked and it was proven true every time they were allowed to try it. Too late and too low because it took a bit of time to get in formation and then had less time to gain that most valuable of things in air combat.. altitude. Getting above your opponent makes all the difference. It might have been successful during raids when the Germans penetrated deep into Britain and then you still would be catching them on the way out. Ambition and “the ole boy, former school mates, network” got the bad deed done and so disrespectfully. What a shame. Not to mention the Dowding system (as they call it on this film but that I can’t recall hearing before always RDF or later radar.. idk it does make sense) made it all possible. Like you said Unforgivable!
Unfortunately they became skape goats of the ministry. Unfortunately Churchill didn't intervene. Operation " Sea Lion " never materialized because of those 2.-!!!😉.
After the battle of Britain, the British Air Ministry asked ACM Dowding to write an authorised history of the battle of Britain. He duly did so and provided it to the air council. Such was the internal emnity of the RAF "top brass" towards him, that his account was rejected and the Air ministry commisioned their own account, in which ACM Dowding's name was not mentioned even ONCE. On reading the finished Document, Churchill, who was a tacit supporter of Hugh Dowding, returned it to the minister for air, Archibald Sinclair annotated with the following comment : “The jealousies and cliquism which have led to the committing of this offence are a discredit to the Air Ministry, and I do not think any other Service Department would have been guilty of such a piece of work. What would have been said if … the Admiralty had told the tale of Trafalgar and left Lord Nelson out of it?” But Churchill was aware of the range of powerful figures within the RAF & govt that were arrayed against ACM Dowding, and also that he was overdue for retirement, and so acquiesced to his dismissal and subsequent posting to the US.
Quite frankly I am not surprised but I would like to know why they were sacked. I'm assuming it was a Labour Government and we all know what they stand for.
At 12:39 - some follow up: It was not until the Luftwaffe radio monitoring service and the German Post office set up their listening stations on the coast of France in July 1940 that the Luftwaffe realized it was up against something new and of vital importance. First the operators discovered that the ether on the 12 meter band was alive with signals radiating out across the channel from the tall and seemingly silent radar masts along the English coast. The second shock came as the Channel convoy battles developed. British voices could be heard on H.F. accurately directing formations of of fighters towards unseen German raiders. The air was full of voices, calmly and systematically placing fighters here and there and guiding others back to base. It dawned on the listeners that this was part of a complex and smooth-running organization of great size. "The Narrow Margin - The Battle of Britain and the Rise of Air Power" Derek Wood and Derek Dempster (c) 1961 page 171
Unfortunately that is VERY outdated and incorrect. After the fall of the Dunkirk pocket in June 1940, as well as the thousands of trucks, tanks and other material captured by the Germans were THIRTEEN full sets of the British army's "Gun Laying Radar Mk I" which was effectively the same as the "Chain home (low)" radar sets that were a part of the RDF network then protecting Britain. The German scientists quickly studied the captured British radar sets and were surprised at how rudimentary they were when compared to their own contemporary "Freya" and "Wurzburg" radar sets. What the Germans completely failed to realise was the existence of the entire real time command and control air defence system that then backed up our rudimentary radars.
@@walterkronkitesleftshoe6684 1) - "...were THIRTEEN full sets of the British army's "Gun Laying Radar Mk I"...were surprised at how rudimentary they were when compared..." A known fact, mentioned in a number of books, but not relevant to "The Narrow Margin" excerpt.
@@DataWaveTaGo The excerpt you give suggests that the Germans had no reason to believe that the British had radar, hence why I gave the info about the British radar captured at Dunkirk. Though I did acknowledge that they had previously not known of the air defence system that it was the edifice of, and which was a vital factor in the victory of the battle.
21:12 2cm cannon shell hit in the wing root of 64 Squadron Spitfire. It was shown piloted and landed by Squadron leader, but I don't know if only for cameras.
Where they note the voice of Sam Wright, the man's name is Allan Richard Wright, Group Captain Allan Richard Wright. I know his distinct voice from other videos. Shame on you for crediting Sam whoever over the real GC Wright.
That may be the dumbest statement ever made , just think of the millions that would not have died if the German people would not have followed a maniac
@guyb30 are you afraid of the truth so the best you can do is try to insult someone. If you knew anything about western European history you would know that it was britian and France that declared war on Germany in 1939.
Sir Tony is an absolute legend. Always wonderful to hear his voice especially in a documentary. Thanks for posting this for us.
*Stick to Baldrick in Blackadder !*
Met Sir Keith Park when I was 11 - he was to me, an elderly very tall gentleman in a beautiful black Bentley, pulled into my father's gas station to refill, got introduced, he said ""How do you do, Young Man?"' Commemorated here in NZ with the Keith Park Memorial Air Collection at Auckland's Museum of Transport & Technology and his birthplace of Thames with the local airport being named after him - replicas of his Hurricane OK-1 are in place at both locations!
@brettcurtis5710 Park and Dowding were so very important in the War. Wish that I could have met them.
My parents, both Londoners met in a bomb shelter at the height of the Blitz in 1940. They carried on as usual and got married in Peckham in 1942. They were made of strong stuff in those days!!
that's cute
Interesting/informative/entertaining. Excellent photography job enabling viewers to better understand what the orator is describing. Special thanks to historians/veteran military/citizens Sharing personal information pertaining to daily experiences/activities during the WW-2 years. How was bombing civilian population areas. Going to alleviate the ( R.A.F.) The disillusioned leadership in Berlin had their priorities in their " ego's ". Remember Herman Goering & his disillusioned morphine induced ego-???. Enjoying this presentation from the comfort of my computer room. Along the " Space Coast "🚀of Florida 🐊🐊🐊. (2-5-24). Wishing viewers a safe/healthy/prosperous ( 2024 )😉.
My great-grandad was a polish RAF sergeant. He was an amazing man!
Both my parents were in the North East of London during the Blitz.
What a digrace that the Air ministry sack Dowding and Keith Park straight after winning the battle of Britain. Unforgivable.
Yep. Helped save the free world and got sacked for the tactics they successfully used to do so. The “Big Wing” simply wouldn’t have worked and it was proven true every time they were allowed to try it. Too late and too low because it took a bit of time to get in formation and then had less time to gain that most valuable of things in air combat.. altitude. Getting above your opponent makes all the difference. It might have been successful during raids when the Germans penetrated deep into Britain and then you still would be catching them on the way out. Ambition and “the ole boy, former school mates, network” got the bad deed done and so disrespectfully. What a shame. Not to mention the Dowding system (as they call it on this film but that I can’t recall hearing before always RDF or later radar.. idk it does make sense) made it all possible. Like you said Unforgivable!
Unfortunately they became skape goats of the ministry. Unfortunately Churchill didn't intervene. Operation " Sea Lion " never materialized because of those 2.-!!!😉.
Same way Churchill was voted out after saving the UK. Go figure!
After the battle of Britain, the British Air Ministry asked ACM Dowding to write an authorised history of the battle of Britain. He duly did so and provided it to the air council. Such was the internal emnity of the RAF "top brass" towards him, that his account was rejected and the Air ministry commisioned their own account, in which ACM Dowding's name was not mentioned even ONCE.
On reading the finished Document, Churchill, who was a tacit supporter of Hugh Dowding, returned it to the minister for air, Archibald Sinclair annotated with the following comment :
“The jealousies and cliquism which have led to the committing of this offence are a discredit to the Air Ministry, and I do not think any other Service Department would have been guilty of such a piece of work. What would have been said if … the Admiralty had told the tale of Trafalgar and left Lord Nelson out of it?”
But Churchill was aware of the range of powerful figures within the RAF & govt that were arrayed against ACM Dowding, and also that he was overdue for retirement, and so acquiesced to his dismissal and subsequent posting to the US.
Quite frankly I am not surprised but I would like to know why they were sacked. I'm assuming it was a Labour Government and we all know what they stand for.
These are great documentaries
My grandfather single handedly brought down 12 German planes in WW2. He was reportedly the worst aircraft mechanic the Luftwaffe ever had..
8:57 Taught German in Schools! Blimey! Now we have Allah Akbah! What went wrong!
Bingo. 🤷♂️🤔
Excellent report, but they should have added Churchill's speech about the Battle of Britain.
Time 20:39 its Cyril Stanley "Bam" Bamberger, DFC & Bar, AE (4 May 1919 - 3 February 2008), not Bamburger, for Gods sake.
32:15 I bought the worlds worst thesaurus last week and not only was it terrible it was terrible.
tremendous channel!
The Battle for Britain has just started again.
At 12:39 - some follow up:
It was not until the Luftwaffe radio monitoring service and the German Post office set up their listening stations on the coast of France in July 1940 that the Luftwaffe realized it was up against something new and of vital importance. First the operators discovered that the ether on the 12 meter band was alive with signals radiating out across the channel from the tall and seemingly silent radar masts along the English coast.
The second shock came as the Channel convoy battles developed. British voices could be heard on H.F. accurately directing formations of of fighters towards unseen German raiders. The air was full of voices, calmly and systematically placing fighters here and there and guiding others back to base. It dawned on the listeners that this was part of a complex and smooth-running organization of great size.
"The Narrow Margin - The Battle of Britain and the Rise of Air Power" Derek Wood and Derek Dempster (c) 1961 page 171
Unfortunately that is VERY outdated and incorrect.
After the fall of the Dunkirk pocket in June 1940, as well as the thousands of trucks, tanks and other material captured by the Germans were THIRTEEN full sets of the British army's "Gun Laying Radar Mk I" which was effectively the same as the "Chain home (low)" radar sets that were a part of the RDF network then protecting Britain.
The German scientists quickly studied the captured British radar sets and were surprised at how rudimentary they were when compared to their own contemporary "Freya" and "Wurzburg" radar sets.
What the Germans completely failed to realise was the existence of the entire real time command and control air defence system that then backed up our rudimentary radars.
@@walterkronkitesleftshoe6684 1) - "...were THIRTEEN full sets of the British army's "Gun Laying Radar Mk I"...were surprised at how rudimentary they were when compared..."
A known fact, mentioned in a number of books, but not relevant to "The Narrow Margin" excerpt.
@@DataWaveTaGo The excerpt you give suggests that the Germans had no reason to believe that the British had radar, hence why I gave the info about the British radar captured at Dunkirk. Though I did acknowledge that they had previously not known of the air defence system that it was the edifice of, and which was a vital factor in the victory of the battle.
@@walterkronkitesleftshoe6684 The "Narrow Margin" quote is centered on the British Home Chain as a SYSTEM.
@DataWaveTaGo Fascinating. And they still did not go against the Chain Home stations.
21:12 2cm cannon shell hit in the wing root of 64 Squadron Spitfire. It was shown piloted and landed by Squadron leader, but I don't know if only for cameras.
The trilogy is nigh.
17:24 I wonder if he wore a prosthetic
I agree.
The sub-titles need to be removed... pointless!
No sign of cultural enrichment!!!!
Where they note the voice of Sam Wright, the man's name is Allan Richard Wright, Group Captain Allan Richard Wright. I know his distinct voice from other videos. Shame on you for crediting Sam whoever over the real GC Wright.
What they mean with the opening words tare hat the woke can’t accept it. No one else.
Just think about the millions of people who would not have died if britian and france had not declared war on germany.
That may be the dumbest statement ever made , just think of the millions that would not have died if the German people would not have followed a maniac
Oh lord there are not enough crayons for this one!
@guyb30 are you afraid of the truth so the best you can do is try to insult someone. If you knew anything about western European history you would know that it was britian and France that declared war on Germany in 1939.
Well if we did not, we would all be speaking German now. That is if we could speak
@@arthurwebber-g4l the brits and the French might . But not the u.s.