Is an underground toll highway coming to Toronto?
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- Опубліковано 17 гру 2017
- The Get Toronto Moving Transportation Committee is proposing a six-lane tunneled highway that they say would help ease a lot of traffic woes. Visit: toronto.citynews.ca/
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I always just took the bus, subway, or streetcar. Let someone else fight traffic while I have a nap. xD
Transit doesnt work for everyone. Many people "work on the road". Anyone will always use the medium of transportation that suits them the best at that given moment. That's how the real world works.
@@bmw803 thats why we built transit for people who can take transit, freeing up highways for people who need to drive. all studies indicate building more highways increases traffic by encouraging car-dependency and clogging up streets.
2:18, who invited Kermit the Frog?
a better idea would be to build under the electric corridor, maybe even take the transmission lines under ground and updated with new tech.
like a belt across Toronto. the top of the highway could be parks and re forested. easier to build because there is no structures above the electric corridor. you can also add flood control there too.
they have something similar to that for long stretches in Scarborough. There is a narrow bike/ pedestrian paved pathway (about the width of a one car lane) down the side of the corridor for people to bike, walk and exercise. Then the rest of the corridor that used to be cut grass is being put back to meadow lands. There are large areas marked off "no cut zone/ meadow zone". It is still relatively new so it is still a lot of tall grasses, flowers and shrubs but you can see trees starting to fill in. Soon it will be a mix of small forest and meadow.
That would be cool
Truthfully, it will NOT be entirely privately funded! That was the same lie used for the 407 Hwy. Also, don't expect it any time soon.
It will take 3 decades to argue. Then 4 decades to build it. Call a Chinese tunneling company and it will be ready in 2 years max.
don't expect it at all, it's a dumb idea.
@@bmw803 China will finish a tunnel across the whole GTA from Brantford and Niagara/Fort Erie to Oshawa/Bowmanville and Peterborough in less than 1 year!
Need proof: look how fast they finished the longest bridge in the world
How about fixing the existing infrastructure to not have a black out every time there's a little heavy rain?
Amen to that. Can you imagine being trapped in the world's largest car tunnel in the dark with rising CO2 levels when the rain floods it because the electricity went out?
With a budget of 20 Billion we can build a solid 3 Subway lines to relieve traffic and encourage more ppl to take transit
-Drl
-Crosstown lrt extension to airport
-Finch Subway
This is paid for by private investors though, not the province.
Yes... less cars. Not accommodating this ridiculous car culture.
Really bad idea
I was waiting for that voice after reading the comments lol. Kermit and fozzie had a baby lol.
That poor guys voice
Toll highways don't work if you have free ones along side them. Either charge a small fee for all highways or no fee at all. I live in Korea, and this is the system we use. It works well. Always money for fixing or expanding highways and they're always adding new highways.
We don't want toll roads
@@CikisHelyzet Of course. Nobody wants toll roads. My point is that it's better to have all toll roads than half toll roads. It works very well here.
John Holst ....Well, let me clarify. We don't have them because we don't want them. We know about toll roads because we have experienced them often south of the border. Hard pass.
@@CikisHelyzet Again, yes, I understand. Nobody wants toll roads. Problem is, you already have toll roads along with free ones and that's why it doesn't work. I just wanted to emphasize that you'd have a better system if they were all toll, or no tolls. That has proven to be effective.
@@CikisHelyzet i'd rather pay $3 for the 401 and $3 for the 407 than $0 for the 401 and $15 for the 407
Private funded! 401 is going to be more congested in the future. Also, if 407 is exist, so what is the point of building another 407? The DVP in the rush hour is the real problem here, just forget about the 401
It's all about getting more money. It always is.
It's all about getting more money. It always is.
Nothing wrong with those PPP, but 25 years max. Many freeways across the world are built under that model. Just emulate what works elsewhere.
Sounds wonderful except the private companies always go broke and leave the bill to taxpayers. The 407 has been paid for 3 times by the government and yet still in private hands. All this is more corporate welfare. Traffic is a real problem building more roads may not be the answer.
It's gonna be like Boston. ;)
Why toll is this the 407 or the Gardiner EXPWY extension?
the elephant in the room is the ministry of transportation.
giving licenses to everyone with money and half a brain.
testing that is not suitable for the roads of Canada, at all... just go in one sunny summer and pow. you can crash into people during the winter, and god forbid take the lives of some innocent family's.
driving is NOT a privilage. it IS a skill.
cognition (*knowledge of all weather conditions & the vehicle's performance capabilities)
hand-eye coordination
critical thinking-logic at minimum
common respect and decency
all skills needed to operate a death machine on wheels safely.
Correct
I'm glad they're planning this. The Gardiner expressway is unsightly and tunnels are better.
Ziggmanster The city's not doing it...that's why it's called a "plan".
No too wide, too dangerous and too long for cars
@@KardiFan2000I never said they were doing it
why just add a hyper loop if we are going for a tunnel
But what if the tunnel runs into subways?
Waka waka you want to hear a funny joke
the utility relocation/coordination would be crazy......
What about the subway
I'm pretty sure this tunnel is coming soon, probably by 2040
No, it won't be any time soon.
There are places where I live that need to be widened or a new freeway but homes would have to be torn down
A underwater highway instead of boring the ground? It could run from Kingston to Hamilton, made entire from recycled plastics from all those starbucks coffee lids. Don't wait for Elon to fix everything, he's busy! Leave him alone!!
They built and underwater highway in South Korea between Busan and Geoge. It's on youtube. I bet it was done in no time for a fraction of the price it would cost here.
Tunnel for transit make more sense but for cars... Yeah no.
You'll change your mind if you visit Vancouver.
+Ziggmanster why?
Why not both? Transit don't suit everybody, just like driving doesn't suit everyone.
Sean Price ... wrong. Not in Toronto. It's all the ppl living outside Toronto who are addicted to their cars.
@@CharlieND you mean the george massey? that's nothing like what's proposed here.
What you mean is that Its really an IDEA, not really a plan.
Six years later and this still hasn’t happened yet
2:20 Guy sounds like Fozzy Bear from the muppets lol
LOL, that was my first thought.
Very interesting
interesting voice
Why not tunnel the train and put cars on top?
Aqua Stone If you build the expressway above ground you'd have to demolish hundreds of homes
+Will B. Smooth - formerly KardiFan2000 And what happens when it floods and then there's the CO2 hazards especially in black outs and the problem with accidents being towed or injured people having access to ambulances. No, trains or subways yes but cars no
Aqua Stone, “do you have any idea how much it will cost to dress the band up as animals?”
How about get rid of all your cars?
Haha will never happen. Especially privately. The return is not there. Especially after maintenance and other factors
This looks so logical and amazing, of course it would never happen in Toronto. Build it privately. Toll it. What's the issue? Nah....I'll drive an extra 45 minutes and have to loop around Etobioke and then back across the 401 just to get to the 400 from downtown...because that makes sense...Hey green people...That extra 45 minutes of driving for every car on the road just for that trip would sure help lower greenhouse emissions.
Lol..will be complete in next 200years
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Our gridlock is insane. we need more express routes, something. please
Use public transit and your feet more.
@@CikisHelyzet Public transit is not a viable alternative for getting to a lot of places. People are not going to give up a 30 min drive for a 1.5 hour commute, this is the failure of Toronto's planning, to assume people will settle for less.
it's only counter productive because we don't want sprawl. Sprawl is expensive, and even if we have the space, someone has to pay for the maintenance. It's *one* of the reasons property taxes in the 905 are so much higher than in Toronto...
Ban toll highways
Write the check and then we have no tolls.
To the people advocating transit, you gotta remember, theres no way we can afford it with tax dollars and theres no way a private company would spend that money building transit for us at our current transit fares. If we are happy to charge 20 bucks to take a subway line through that tunnel, sure, but if this tunnel is built the reason is to get the well off from one end of the city to the other, just like the 407.
Answer to the question in 2020: nope
What kinda you are smoking ? More than 15 years Toronto people waiting for Underground train -You call Subway - .
Canadian are so funny to make smoking news 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Oh no is Canada getting a turnpike/ tollway welcome Canada
Tha genius with glasses lives in la la land. No solid argument. Just ideology!!!!! He thinks that whatever works for him, works for everyone.
The 401 is still clogged because people don't use the 407 enough because of tolls and now you want to add another useless toll highway?
We pay way more than enough in taxes that we should be building roads and highways that are free to use. Half the price of gas is taxes that is supposed to be used to build our infrastructure including highways.
At the same time we need better transit. If you live anywhere outside the downtown core you can't travel anywhere reliably or quickly without a car. Better subways would help with relief on our highways.
I think they should stop doing toll road and make it free. If they wanted a toll, why can't they city have a HOT lane (toll lane).
MAKE IT TRANSIT... oh wait we are broke.
Toronto, Manila has currently making a expressway in the middle of city.
Above Ground because it's necessary to decongest traffic, government is also making transit.
Airplane Plus Train Guy expressways built in Manila above ground that are made of concrete are possible because they last longer due to only have one type of temperature. Cold and hot throughout the year causes degregation to concrete hence why the Gardiner is in the shape it is now. In some areas, it is good to have roads built above, others underground would be more sufficient.
Just build the expressway. Who cares who funds it. We need more road infrastructure in Toronto
boring company?
anyone who says this is counterproductive has no idea what they are talking about and must have a political agenda or is ANTI Cars
That man that was talking has a degree in the area he is talking about its basic knowledge of supply and demand when u build new roads it will be easier to take a car vs a bus or train so, in the end, it will only make traffic worse
Transit doesn't suit everyone. Just like driving doesn't. Why can't we have a choice? This how Stalin used to run Russia. Everyone stacked in apartments and then crammed in trains and buses when going somewhere.
Joe mariconadas The USSR had many flaws, but that was not one of them. If you want to live in an urban area, you should expect to be living in a high-density setting and use transportation that can accommodate high density. If that doesn’t suit you, live and work in a rural setting. We never should’ve wasted so much fertile farmland to accommodate suburban lifestyles.
you seem to have no idea what you're talking about. look at any study on urban transportation infrastructure and the outcomes of building more highways.
What a joke? Any private dollars invested in the city creates jobs and supports the municipal economy. Graham Haines and the Ryerson City Building Institute should be de-funded immediately for manufacturing fear-mongering propaganda using taxpayer subsides. Build the tunnel and use Trudeau's Infrastructure Bank. Heck even incorporate the City's fancy rail deck park proposal into one project. The longest tunnel in the world would be quite the tourist wonder to go alongside the CN Tower and Yonge Street in our international powerhouse of a metropolis.
Sam195 Yeah. I don’t think this might come true. It’s extremely expensive which would be more expensive than building the Boston Big Dig. There would be tons of problems when building it.
It would be privately financed. And there is already major demand from businesses via truck and charter bus services like Greyhound for such an alternative. It is cheaper for them to pay tolls than wages and fuel costs for idle vehicles due to high congestion and extremely long commute times. We need this tunnel they need to BUILD IT NOW.
That's true. That would mean less traffic on the DVP and other congested. streets
Maybe the city could is they have funding commitments.
Lol yea people come to Toronto to see yonge street...dream on buddy