Let’s look at the facts rather than assuming the referee is the bad person. -Jimmy nominated the brown - The ref misheard Jimmy and said Blue ball - jimmy gets angry and calls the ref a ‘Dinlo’ - Referee laughs thinking that Jimmy is joking - Jimmy continues to act in a rude and over the top manor so receives a warning. Conclusion - Jimmy was 3-0 down and having a bad day. He took his irritation out on the referee.
Disagree. That ref is the giggliest ref on the circuit and it's enough to put any player off their game. No other ref would have giggled the way he did, all except him take their job seriously. Any snooker player will acknowledge that a good referee should be hardly noticeable. He should be there to do refereeing, that's all.
@@wynlewis5357 I don't agree really. I think the ref didn't know what a Dimlo is and laughed to take the heat out of the situation. At the end of the day Jimmy (who I love) shouldn't have even bothered nominating a ball or call the ref something derogatory. Whether it was index or middle finger. It's obvious it was intended to be an offensive gesture. Come on Jimmy keep it together
@@wynlewis5357 I quite enjoy seeing a bit humour in snooker like the good ole days it's not like it's happening on each shot. Whitey was bang out of order and should retire, he's not good to watch anymore and denying opportunites to other players.
What everyone is clearly missing is the fact that Jimmy turned round and called the ref a "Dinlo" after the ref corrected himself. Dinlo means a stupid or foolish person. THAT'S the real reason the ref started laughing, he thought Jimmy was joking.
I've listened to this loads of times and I think Jimmy said "Blue". As has been mentioned, Ben only laughed after Jimmy said "Dimlo" as he thought he was joking. To be fair, Ben could have warned him over that comment. I think Jimmy overreacted as he was losing and not playing well.
@@JOHN-tk6vl Same goes for Dart players. All good when it's going their way, but some of them are pretty quick to lose their shit when the pressures on.
The irony is, if Jimmy would have laughed about the silliness of the mistake he would’ve lightened up and loosened up a bit and played a much better game. The ref handed him an opportunity to cut free of his inner ties. He just didn’t recognize it as such.
The fact is that he wouldn't have done it if he was winning 3-0. He was just sulking because he was losing. We've all done it, I hope I've grown out of it, I certainly wasn't a good loser when I was younger, so I understand, but the reality is that he was simply being a bad loser because he can't cut it any more (he's doing well at his age to even qualify).
Agree with what you say but he doesn't even have to qualify as he keeps on getting a wild card on the Pro tour which is wrong in my opinion. He just just retire now and give a younger player a chance
I actually think it was something else going on behind the scenes. Not that playing atrocious helps. I remember watching the match live and Jimmy seemed irritated even as they walked out. Almost threw his case under the table.
"So Ronnie, we saw Jimmy there spear the referee through the eye with his cue and then defecate onto his corpse,your thoughts?" "Yeh yer know I fink the ref was bang ahta order being that close to the table an being verbally abused, yer know?"
@@teachinggypsy I suspect he would have ended up in prison with his mom and dad if he hadn't been good with a cue. I don't see a great deal of class about the man.
I think the ref thought jimmy was joking when he said dinlo, ref laughed and jimmy got upset purely because he wasn’t joking. Jimmy shouldn’t of called him names. Refs deserve more respect than these players give them.
I don't think the ref has a right to take a frame from someone just because they can't take it. Refs in all sports are a pain. All he said was what's funny about it..
@@paulanthony5274 it seems a bit extreme but they are professionals and professionals should act professional in all circumstances. I think snooker players are getting worse and expressing there anger at refs and opponents on screen. It says a lot about a players character if they can’t manage to control there outbursts. If they have a problem lm sure it’s not the best place to express there thoughts live on TV in front of 10s of thousands of viewers and embarrass the ref and more so disgrace oneself. The refs need to do something to show they are in control.
White is an absolute helmut these days he thinks he can mix it with this current crop of players and clearly he can’t time he stuck to the seniors tourq
I don't think he was satisfied. They're all professionals. He just went on. What can you do? The person who wasn't professional here was Jimmy White. I get it, he was pissed off. No need to take it out on the referee though.
@@Vince27. Yeah, sure he was annoyed about being down - but why in HELL does that justify the ref irritating him and giving him a warning for NOTHING?!
Of the referee had been Michaela Tabb and the same situation occurred neither Jimmy nor Ronnie not even Alan would would ever have criticised her. Just shows them up to be the hypocrites they actually are.
@@dustinl2405 you're not correct. MT made plenty mistakes but always laughed them off. The ref wasn't laughing at Jimmy he was laughing to cover his own embarrassment.
@@matthewwilliams4168 Actually, with the class of 92, you already include 3 players which are still top of the world in their age (i.e. world class players). Which is pretty remarkable in my opinion. If anything, that proves that you can still be world class in that age. Dunno if Ronnie will still be world class with 60 though, if he still plays then. Jimmy White never had the class of either of those 3, of course.
Jimmy was treating the ref badly, sorry but he behaved badly end of, The ref didn't mean any offence. As for the ref calling players sir, they are just effing snooker players not royalty. It is ref and player doing the bloody jobs and respect is earned not an entitlement!
Jimmy was definitely out of order here, and I feel like he deserved the warning and when he got it, it snapped him out of it and made him realise he'd gone too far. It's just sad to see him like this; he was always a good natured player and here he's getting irritated because he isn't playing as well as he knows he can - he played some wonderful snooker in the seniors tournament earlier in the year. When he gets a chance on the tour these days, you can sense that it means so much to him to do well, that he puts far too much pressure on himself. Maybe it's time to call it a day if it's getting to the point that he's losing his temper and taking it out on other people.
The referee laughed at Jimmy. Laughed at his choice of colour. The referee did this on TV. Why don't you think the referee was in the wrong? I think Ronnie is correct. I think the referee should have apologised to Jimmy and asked him to continue. Jimmy then dismisses the referee by using a waved hand with the 1st finger raised a bit. Not the middle, not two fingers. Play it back at 0.25 speed and see for yourself. The referee then threatened to take the frame off him. After the ref laughed at him, and criticised his ball choice. I think the ref needs to be fair. He wasn't.
@@Google_Does_Evil_Now The referee isn't laughing at the choice of colour - if you listen carefully you can hear Jimmy call the referee a 'dinlo'; the ref understandably thinks Jimmy's having a laugh with him and takes it as a joke, but he wasn't joking. He's dead serious, then he flips out at the laughter. I agree the hand gesture wasn't offensive in itself; it was rude, but I think from the ref's perspective he was just fed up of being disrespected at that point and he wasn't going to put up with it any more. Jimmy was being rude and aggressive, and he absolutely deserved the warning.
Jimmy is pushing himself now too much. It's apparent now that he will never reach the heights in snooker that he had 25 plus years ago when he was Box Office. He will always be a legend but I think he's scraping the barrel these days and he has been now for a number of years
@@jameshughes9329 I feel sorry for him. Snooker has been his entire life for more than forty years, and I don't think he knows what else to do with himself. Steve Davis kept playing long after his peak but he knew when the game was up and eventually bowed out gracefully; he had his music interests to fall back on and now he seems really happy doing that. I think Jimmy is fearful that his life will be empty without snooker in it.
@@gunproofgrandad4381 Absolutely agree! It's like any professional sportsman isn't it? I think once the career is over it's a case of an empty void. Jimmy will always get work as a pundit but he obviously loves the game even though he's long gone as a force. Up until about 2012 I was always hopeful he'd get that one last chance at the Crucible but it's clear now that he's just a easy kill now even for lowly ranked players.
The ref is also not there to be spoken to like complete crap. Hardly appropriate calling him a ‘Dinlo’ due to making a tiny mistake in announcing the wrong colour due to mishearing jimmy. White wasn’t even down on the ball so it’s a ridiculous thing to get angry over. Jimmy was losing and annoyed so he took it out on the ref.
Jimmy was already angry for being 3-0 down, then took the ref's laugh as a personal insult. McManus was afraid of getting chinned by Jimmy backstage so stuck up for him (with very little conviction). Ronnie's not a fan of refs anyway, and Jimmy's his mate, so no surprises he also stuck up for him. Jimmy was out of order. End of.
@@hensmithers9687 I bet jimmy would have took it differently if he was 3-0 up? Then Ronnie said, all he down was put his hand up wondering what was going on? If jimmy had just laughed if off, nothing would have been going on!
Whitey had another go at the ref at the end of the match when the ref offered his hand Jimmy gestured for him to shake the winners hand first. Just unneccessary. Pure bully boy and he should retire .
7:06...look at the master, who has seen it all, the hi-s and the lo-s, nodding his head in appreciation to what the kid says about the mental side of the game.
Literally as the clip plays he is heard making the nomination but it's really hard to make out what he said. The referee misheard ovbiously. After correcting the ref, Jimmy then turns round and calls him a dinlo "a person devoid of intellect". In snooker, typically understood as gentleman's sport, where banter is often seen as good humour to lighten the mood, to be serious when insulting the ref like a football player might do, would seem to many to be ridiculous therefore it must have been a joke right...but no apparently. Jimmy was way out of line. He was playing badly when he expected to play well and unfortunately has taken it out on the ref. I really respect Jimmy for what he has done for the sport in all his years and hope he regrets what he did here.
Jimmy was in the wrong, he nominated a ball, the referee misheard and called a different colour, Jimmy corrected him and the referee laughed about it, as you would with a genuine mistake. Totally uncalled for reaction from Jimmy and he did give the referee "the finger". Great player, but let himself down in a lot of peoples eyes.
Jimmy mumbles Blue Ball. Ref tried to make it clear and says Blue Ball. Then Jimmy changed his mind and says brown ball, and you can hear him mumble I didn't look. Ref laughs thinking Jimmy is trying to be a little funny about the change of mind. Then Jimmy goes into his gangster mode. Bottom line is at his best he wouldn't match the top standard of today's game
I like Jimmy but I like Ben Williams much more. And this was clearly on Jim. Don't be rude to refs, they have a hard job with zero to none recognition.
Jimmy was wrong, unprofessional and arrogant. He should apologise to the referee. The two boot lickers in the studio (McManus and O Sullivan) didn't have the balls to call it out, just cos they're mates with Jimmy. That's not the punditry we pay to see. If you gonna side with your mates, then get another job and let's get Geoff boycott in the studio.
He puts too much pressure on himself. You can tell with his shot selection he wants to win too much if anything. It’s just the rage against the dying of the light, made a bit worse for our Jimmy because he spent his sporting prime wasted. Had the time of his life no doubt, but now it’s a case of what might have been.
@@Mogget5 Yes they should but refs should also respect players and situations as well. A bit of laughter here and there is fine, but this referee's timing was awful ... Jimmy was 3.0 down and fighting hard to stay in the match, he was naturally a bit "tight up". Then the ref starts giggling which split Jimmy's concentration and annoyed him. You think other refs would burst out giggling like this guy ?
@@wynlewis5357 The ref only laughed to try and diffuse the situation after being called a dimlo but Jimmy wanted to take it further. And quite rightly paid for it,
white should retire before he makes further fool of himself...ronnie corrosive behaviours has been rubbing on him , he is 60 should be more mature, wiser.
Jimmy not handling a bad situation well but the ref is worse, starting it and the escalating it to a warning when he should have let it go knowing Jimmy was having a hard time. The ref wasn't losing and having a hard time. The ref should be given a warning for handling it badly and escalating it. Jimmy felt like the ref laughing at him, not with him. Unprofessional and without pressure.
Naturally Ronnie and the other guy will defend him, their mates with him. Snooker players can be very disrespectful to the referees. Disgusting by White. He’s a sook
Jimmy should have done a Ronnie O'Sullivan & just walked out, Ronnie done that years ago against Stephen Hendry because he wasn't planning well so just gave in & walked out. The look on the young Stephens face was priceless lol
There's errors on both sides that led to the situation snowballing: Jimmy should have declared louder - it isn't that clear when he mumbles "brown" even with the microphones amped up. Alternatively, he shouldn't have declared at all - Ronnie is spot on that Jimmy will hit whichever ball he is intending to play, so the nomination is probably a little redundant. Ben clearly hears Jimmy saying something, but clearly mis-hears him. If he wasn't sure what had been nominated, he should have asked Jimmy to repeat his nomination, and this would never have happened. The fact that he declared "blue" shows he probably honestly believes Jimmy nominated that ball. Jimmy is right to get up off the shot and correct him, because if he does play the brown after the blue was nominated it's a foul. Ben shouldn't have laughed when Jimmy corrected him - he should have apologised for his own error and corrected the call once it becomes clear what the call actually was. Ben does have a sense of humour from previous matches I've seen him referee and doesn't take himself too seriously for the most part, therefore I believe he isn't laughing at Jimmy. Jimmy shouldn't have taken it as anything other than Ben laughing at his own error. He actually said "don't laugh" before Ben actually does, so I would argue that he was in a bad frame of mind to begin with. Ben should have apologised the moment he saw that the laughter had offended Jimmy, but I don't think he tried to - instead it sounds like he was trying to argue his case as to why he laughed. Apologise and we stop here. Jimmy raises his hand and gestures with his index finger. Given that Ben is looking at Jimmy's face and sees the gesture out of his peripheral, it's reasonable to assume that Ben believes it was a middle finger. I wasn't looking at his hand first time I saw the clip and it does look an awful lot like he's flipping the birdie. Given what Ben thinks he sees, he's within his rights to issue a warning on the grounds of ungentlemanly conduct, regardless of whether it is what actually happened. You could argue the gesture in itself is aggressive in nature, irrespective of which finger he actually stuck up. Jimmy accepts the warning but he's clearly been put off and misses the brown. Doesn't really matter who's at fault - it's so awkward, it overshadows the result.
Ref Def right. Jimmy quipped "dimmo", or whatever....naturally the ref thinks he's joking so laughs, Jimmy decides that nothing is funny, ref thinks...ok, so you're just being insulting and disrespectful then.....and goes on to warn him about his conduct.
Gotta be honest if I was there ref there I would have found it hard to stay professional after Jimmy insinuated I'm thick by calling me a dimlo. I think I would have replied with "hey Jimmy it's not my fault you're losing. If anyone's the Dimlo here it's you for not being able to pot a ball"... I would have lost my job but I wouldn't have lost my dignity and integrity. The ref was clearly taking humour in the insult and it was clearly intended to be insulting. absolute a hole
no one defending Jimmy has has mentioned the fact he insulted the ref. up until that point its an innocent mistake by the ref or a mumbled nomination by Jimmy misheard. once he insulted the ref he was lucky for the ref to laugh it off, and to press it further removes the grey area from the incident. misheard
Correct but the ref should have warned Jimmy then whether or not he thought he was joking instead of waiting to accuse Jimmy wrongly just to be the big man in the situation. Bloody child shouldn't be refereeing if he is that unprofessional. Jimmy was already having a bad enough time without the ref first of all getting his nomination wrong and then bursting out laughing.
Why is no one talking about Jimmy calling names to the ref? He called him Dinlo! That alone should be a warning. It's ridiculous that they were talking about the ref laughing. Of course he was laughing, otherwise he would have taken the "Dinlo" seriously, and being that serious calling him that, it's just extremely disrespectful.
The caption above is not accurate. The ref did not laugh at his own mistake. He laughed at Jimmy's retort. OK Ref made the call for nominated colour too soon and he really ought to have waited or asked Jimmy what he was playing. As Jimmy is not normally so like this he assumed his "dimlo" (?) remark was just a bit of banter and laughed it off - he could've warned Jimmy for that remark alone but chose to laugh it off and not mkae a thing of it - esp as he'd made a minor error. Jimmy saw pure red. He never gave him the finger but given the attitude and without a replay the ref would have to assume it was the finger. It's not the sort of thing we're used to seeing in snooker.
I'm a massive Jimmy fan. However I've turned the volume up, he does appear to say "blue" which the ref repeats, Jim then says "brown" correcting himself. I don't even know if "dinlo" is Jimmy talking to himself or the ref. The ref obviously thinks it's aimed at him (maybe) and laughs. Clearly Jim is under the pressure, not doing well, and pretty much staring down the barrel, very frustrated. He's taken it out on the ref, who has laughed at an inappropriate point- maybe if it was the first frame, then it would had all have been smiles, however I think the ref has unfortunately misread the situation, and the laugh has wound Jimmy up, he's then reacted, made a big thing about it. I think both their egos have been pricked a little bit there. Learning for both of them, I think! Probably about time Jimmy retired.
After the ref made the mistake of calling the blue ball as Jimmy's next colour...all Jimmy did was say brown ball! He didn't EVEN have to nominate a colour (as Ronnie explained, he could choose ANY of the colours) The fact was the ref laughed at Jimmy when he should have made an apology for his mistake. The ref has a job to officiate a snooker match NOT be a comedian. Jimmy felt disrespected as I'm sure anyone else would if they were in his shoes at the time.. I'm on Jimmy's side here. His LAST words in the clip were "I've done nothing wrong."
Jimmy was a little agitated because before the match the referee told him he wasn't allowed to sniff any Colombian marching powder during the interval.
My take on it is: - 1:26 Jimmy mumbles ‘Brown’. - Ben heard that as ‘Blue’ so announces ‘Blue ball’. - Jimmy bluntly corrects the ref - The ref the announces ‘Brown ball’ - Jimmy turns around and says ‘Dinlo/Dimlo’ which basically means idiot (thanks to Nathan Drake who commented this. I always thought it was Dinlow but I never saw it written down until today!) - Everything after that is obvious I am on the refs side here. Having seen him a few times, he is quite light hearted and not a jobsworth, so doesn’t deserve a comment like that. Jimmy mumbled brown so it was an easy mistake to make, and most of the blame goes to Jimmy for not being clear, and it’s an easy one to correct. For these reasons you can see why the ref would assume it was a joke because it was a complete overreaction from Jimmy, and it was good of the ref to take it as one. Since it turned out he wasn’t joking, Jimmy deserved a warning. I only fault the ref for making up a different excuse for the warning rather than saying, ‘Oh you weren’t joking? I’m warning you for calling me a Dinlo then’. Which technically he was well within his right to straight away, there are some refs with 0 sense of humour that would have done, and no one likes a jobsworth so we should be grateful for refs like Ben. Even though I think Jimmy was out of order. I sympathise with him slightly. He was clearly feeling the pressure, which doesn’t justify but could explain why he snapped, and to him it would have been very obvious he was going for the brown and not the blue. Hopefully he watches it back and realises he mumbled brown and he was out of order to the ref, who deserves credit for assuming the best of Jimmy by taking it as a joke.
Yeah I knew Jimmy muttered something and the ref laughed. Tried replaying it but just couldn't catch on. This ref is the jokey type and I have seen him laugh and joke around before. When Jimmy questioned "What's funny about that?", he should've said your right, nothing funny for calling me a Dinlo, I am warning you. Lmao.
The referee thought Jimmy was going to pot the blue. Jimmy overreacted due to frustration with the standard of his game. Jimmy hasn't done well in any pro events for two decades. He's currently ranked 90th in the world. He should retire. He's had a great career (when in his prime) so be thankful for that.
The ref should have just said "alright alright keep your hair on"
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Thought that thing was gonna leap off of his head and do the cunt
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Yeah or "Don't get uppity with me Whirlpool, just because you're losing!"
Let’s look at the facts rather than assuming the referee is the bad person.
-Jimmy nominated the brown
- The ref misheard Jimmy and said Blue ball
- jimmy gets angry and calls the ref a ‘Dinlo’
- Referee laughs thinking that Jimmy is joking
- Jimmy continues to act in a rude and over the top manor so receives a warning.
Conclusion - Jimmy was 3-0 down and having a bad day. He took his irritation out on the referee.
Disagree. That ref is the giggliest ref on the circuit and it's enough to put any player off their game. No other ref would have giggled the way he did, all except him take their job seriously. Any snooker player will acknowledge that a good referee should be hardly noticeable. He should be there to do refereeing, that's all.
@@wynlewis5357 Players should not be calling referees ‘Dinlos’. That’s all.
@@Correction294 I agree that they shouldn't, but has he ever said it to any other ref in his long career or is it just this giggling ref ?
@@wynlewis5357 I don't agree really. I think the ref didn't know what a Dimlo is and laughed to take the heat out of the situation. At the end of the day Jimmy (who I love) shouldn't have even bothered nominating a ball or call the ref something derogatory. Whether it was index or middle finger. It's obvious it was intended to be an offensive gesture. Come on Jimmy keep it together
@@wynlewis5357 I quite enjoy seeing a bit humour in snooker like the good ole days it's not like it's happening on each shot. Whitey was bang out of order and should retire, he's not good to watch anymore and denying opportunites to other players.
What everyone is clearly missing is the fact that Jimmy turned round and called the ref a "Dinlo" after the ref corrected himself. Dinlo means a stupid or foolish person. THAT'S the real reason the ref started laughing, he thought Jimmy was joking.
Its actually dimlo 🤣
Thanks for clearing that up. I couldnt make out what Jimmy said..
@@wgcHERTS Yeah I've seen both said. Dinlo seems to mean foolish and Dimlo means thick, so he definitely called the ref thick lol
@@nathandrake5271 🤣🤣🤣got to love jimmy though
Honestly thought Jimmy was joking there as well
I've listened to this loads of times and I think Jimmy said "Blue". As has been mentioned, Ben only laughed after Jimmy said "Dimlo" as he thought he was joking. To be fair, Ben could have warned him over that comment.
I think Jimmy overreacted as he was losing and not playing well.
I think if Jimmy had of called him Idiot instead, a word everyone knows, then he would have warned him.
Didlo
Jimmy started it, he should have accepted the apology.
Shock horror Ronnie agrees with his pal
Are you expecting Ronnie to never agree with him?
What qualifies as an “incident” in snooker always amuses me.
I agree. "Ooh whats this? Ronnie left a button undone - snooker has everything"!!!!!
@@JOHN-tk6vl Same goes for Dart players. All good when it's going their way, but some of them are pretty quick to lose their shit when the pressures on.
For a man that’s snorted his way through life he’s left it a little late to be Mr serious!
Gack heads take themselves very seriously. Always think their right and most could start a fight in an empty room.
The irony is, if Jimmy would have laughed about the silliness of the mistake he would’ve lightened up and loosened up a bit and played a much better game. The ref handed him an opportunity to cut free of his inner ties. He just didn’t recognize it as such.
Would u go way! 🥴
Jimmy was 3-0 down at the time.
hardly likely to laugh when he's 3-0 down in a first to 4
That's a great insight
@@dontbewoke I'd say that's the best time to laugh. At that point, you are very likely to lose - the pressure should be off.
The fact is that he wouldn't have done it if he was winning 3-0. He was just sulking because he was losing. We've all done it, I hope I've grown out of it, I certainly wasn't a good loser when I was younger, so I understand, but the reality is that he was simply being a bad loser because he can't cut it any more (he's doing well at his age to even qualify).
Agree with what you say but he doesn't even have to qualify as he keeps on getting a wild card on the Pro tour which is wrong in my opinion. He just just retire now and give a younger player a chance
@@truthseeker6923 Well, yes, but I think he won a qualifying match in this tournament.
Great point...
I actually think it was something else going on behind the scenes. Not that playing atrocious helps. I remember watching the match live and Jimmy seemed irritated even as they walked out. Almost threw his case under the table.
He is a over the hill snooker player who should of hung up his cue years ago . Pathetic really
"So Ronnie, we saw Jimmy there spear the referee through the eye with his cue and then defecate onto his corpse,your thoughts?"
"Yeh yer know I fink the ref was bang ahta order being that close to the table an being verbally abused, yer know?"
Yeah, Ronnie always sees it the way Ronnie wants to see. True "class act." :D
@@teachinggypsy I suspect he would have ended up in prison with his mom and dad if he hadn't been good with a cue. I don't see a great deal of class about the man.
@@Kaiserbill99 No doubt.
Good job from the ref for not backing down .
Ronny really doing his best to stay serious. Great acting 🤣
He's the biggest joker of the lot.
@@jamesbyrne9312 He wipes tears with the millions he's made and fills his 7 world title trophies with his tears at this comment.
@@anonymousguy1029 maybe he does, I am still correct though, and that's from a fan. I like his snooker but he's not a good person.
Osulivan shows refs no respect besides being a snooker genious he is a ass hole.
@@jamesbyrne9312 You know him personally then? Or just what you see on TV of him?
I think the ref thought jimmy was joking when he said dinlo, ref laughed and jimmy got upset purely because he wasn’t joking. Jimmy shouldn’t of called him names. Refs deserve more respect than these players give them.
@Hudsonsoul...The ref was spot on in giving Jimmy a warning
@@philrobinson981 I agree , Been a Jimmy fan since about 1985, but he was a nasty piece of work here.
I don't think the ref has a right to take a frame from someone just because they can't take it. Refs in all sports are a pain. All he said was what's funny about it..
*Threaten to take a frame I meant
@@paulanthony5274 it seems a bit extreme but they are professionals and professionals should act professional in all circumstances. I think snooker players are getting worse and expressing there anger at refs and opponents on screen. It says a lot about a players character if they can’t manage to control there outbursts. If they have a problem lm sure it’s not the best place to express there thoughts live on TV in front of 10s of thousands of viewers and embarrass the ref and more so disgrace oneself. The refs need to do something to show they are in control.
Pathetic from Jimmy to be honest. Lighten up man.
White is an absolute helmut these days he thinks he can mix it with this current crop of players and clearly he can’t time he stuck to the seniors tourq
He wouldn't be able to mix it with the top 40.
Ronnie O sullivan is incorrect. He did do something with his hand. Jimmy swore at the referee. The referee was correct to issue a warning.
How satisfied was the ref when he missed that brown and got spanked 4-0. 🤣🤣🤣
Probably not very. Bet he felt embarassed and the reason why he missed it.
I don't think he was satisfied. They're all professionals. He just went on. What can you do? The person who wasn't professional here was Jimmy White. I get it, he was pissed off. No need to take it out on the referee though.
@@chakko007 Since HE was the one who irritated Jimmy and took him out of his focus - YES, it WAS his fault! And he surely DOES sound satisfied!
@@gutgolf74 Stop licking jimmy’s arsehole, he was 3-0 down and getting angry, needs to chill out a bit.
@@Vince27. Yeah, sure he was annoyed about being down - but why in HELL does that justify the ref irritating him and giving him a warning for NOTHING?!
Of the referee had been Michaela Tabb and the same situation occurred neither Jimmy nor Ronnie not even Alan would would ever have criticised her. Just shows them up to be the hypocrites they actually are.
I dont think Michaela would have laughed like that at the first place.
@@dustinl2405 you're not correct. MT made plenty mistakes but always laughed them off. The ref wasn't laughing at Jimmy he was laughing to cover his own embarrassment.
Think they've completely missed that the refs laughing at dinlo, not at the wrong colour choice
It’s just sad that this is the only way Jimmy can generate a headline these days, not through his good play.
He’s 60 years old 😂
He didn't generate a headline in the last 20 years through his good play, so his reaction here is pretty weird to say the least.
@@chakko007 how many players apart from the class of 92 aged 40+ created good headlines by his play?
@@matthewwilliams4168 Actually, with the class of 92, you already include 3 players which are still top of the world in their age (i.e. world class players). Which is pretty remarkable in my opinion.
If anything, that proves that you can still be world class in that age. Dunno if Ronnie will still be world class with 60 though, if he still plays then.
Jimmy White never had the class of either of those 3, of course.
@@chakko007 Jimmy got to 6 world championship finals and if it wasn’t for Hendry you’d probably talk about Jimmie differently
Jimmy was treating the ref badly, sorry but he behaved badly end of, The ref didn't mean any offence. As for the ref calling players sir, they are just effing snooker players not royalty. It is ref and player doing the bloody jobs and respect is earned not an entitlement!
Tbf to the ref I couldn’t understand Jimmy’s nomination either
Angles and Ron are hardly the people to ask about thus!
Ronnie o'sullivan holding his laughter in hard lol
It's cause it's Ronnie that made the refs become shit. Ronnie always disrespects them..
In my humble opinion, the umpire needs a serious warning...... the tail should NEVER wag the dog....
Ronnie is literally about to piss himself listening to this. Probably thinking of all the times he's had a pop at a ref.
Jimmy was definitely out of order here, and I feel like he deserved the warning and when he got it, it snapped him out of it and made him realise he'd gone too far. It's just sad to see him like this; he was always a good natured player and here he's getting irritated because he isn't playing as well as he knows he can - he played some wonderful snooker in the seniors tournament earlier in the year. When he gets a chance on the tour these days, you can sense that it means so much to him to do well, that he puts far too much pressure on himself. Maybe it's time to call it a day if it's getting to the point that he's losing his temper and taking it out on other people.
The referee laughed at Jimmy. Laughed at his choice of colour. The referee did this on TV. Why don't you think the referee was in the wrong? I think Ronnie is correct. I think the referee should have apologised to Jimmy and asked him to continue.
Jimmy then dismisses the referee by using a waved hand with the 1st finger raised a bit. Not the middle, not two fingers. Play it back at 0.25 speed and see for yourself.
The referee then threatened to take the frame off him. After the ref laughed at him, and criticised his ball choice. I think the ref needs to be fair. He wasn't.
@@Google_Does_Evil_Now The referee isn't laughing at the choice of colour - if you listen carefully you can hear Jimmy call the referee a 'dinlo'; the ref understandably thinks Jimmy's having a laugh with him and takes it as a joke, but he wasn't joking. He's dead serious, then he flips out at the laughter. I agree the hand gesture wasn't offensive in itself; it was rude, but I think from the ref's perspective he was just fed up of being disrespected at that point and he wasn't going to put up with it any more. Jimmy was being rude and aggressive, and he absolutely deserved the warning.
Jimmy is pushing himself now too much.
It's apparent now that he will never reach the heights in snooker that he had 25 plus years ago when he was Box Office.
He will always be a legend but I think he's scraping the barrel these days and he has been now for a number of years
@@jameshughes9329 I feel sorry for him. Snooker has been his entire life for more than forty years, and I don't think he knows what else to do with himself. Steve Davis kept playing long after his peak but he knew when the game was up and eventually bowed out gracefully; he had his music interests to fall back on and now he seems really happy doing that. I think Jimmy is fearful that his life will be empty without snooker in it.
@@gunproofgrandad4381 Absolutely agree!
It's like any professional sportsman isn't it?
I think once the career is over it's a case of an empty void.
Jimmy will always get work as a pundit but he obviously loves the game even though he's long gone as a force.
Up until about 2012 I was always hopeful he'd get that one last chance at the Crucible but it's clear now that he's just a easy kill now even for lowly ranked players.
He did not give the finger and getting your butt kicked at the same time did not help. The ref is not there to be be their mate, hes there to do a job
The ref is also not there to be spoken to like complete crap. Hardly appropriate calling him a ‘Dinlo’ due to making a tiny mistake in announcing the wrong colour due to mishearing jimmy. White wasn’t even down on the ball so it’s a ridiculous thing to get angry over. Jimmy was losing and annoyed so he took it out on the ref.
Jimmy is there to do a job too, the ref was doing his better obviously!
Jimmy was already angry for being 3-0 down, then took the ref's laugh as a personal insult. McManus was afraid of getting chinned by Jimmy backstage so stuck up for him (with very little conviction). Ronnie's not a fan of refs anyway, and Jimmy's his mate, so no surprises he also stuck up for him. Jimmy was out of order. End of.
you are talking some rubbish fella...far too loud a laugh from the ref in this instance
@@hensmithers9687 I bet jimmy would have took it differently if he was 3-0 up? Then Ronnie said, all he down was put his hand up wondering what was going on? If jimmy had just laughed if off, nothing would have been going on!
@@hensmithers9687 jimmy called him stupid, the refs response was to assume he was joking and laugh it off. then jimmy proceded to embarrass himself
@@nono-zc1hs Exactly. 100% accurate.
Refs deserve more respect than aged Jimmy.
If Jimmy had been winning, this wouldn't have happened.
The ref made the mistake and then laughed in Jimmys face. The ref was unprofessional.
Whitey had another go at the ref at the end of the match when the ref offered his hand Jimmy gestured for him to shake the winners hand first. Just unneccessary. Pure bully boy and he should retire .
7:06...look at the master, who has seen it all, the hi-s and the lo-s, nodding his head in appreciation to what the kid says about the mental side of the game.
Literally as the clip plays he is heard making the nomination but it's really hard to make out what he said. The referee misheard ovbiously. After correcting the ref, Jimmy then turns round and calls him a dinlo "a person devoid of intellect". In snooker, typically understood as gentleman's sport, where banter is often seen as good humour to lighten the mood, to be serious when insulting the ref like a football player might do, would seem to many to be ridiculous therefore it must have been a joke right...but no apparently. Jimmy was way out of line. He was playing badly when he expected to play well and unfortunately has taken it out on the ref. I really respect Jimmy for what he has done for the sport in all his years and hope he regrets what he did here.
That table cloth with the balls is a thing of beauty
If White had grabbed his snooker cue and hit the ref across the head with it. Ronnie will stay say it's the refs fault.
Jimmy was in the wrong, he nominated a ball, the referee misheard and called a different colour, Jimmy corrected him and the referee laughed about it, as you would with a genuine mistake. Totally uncalled for reaction from Jimmy and he did give the referee "the finger". Great player, but let himself down in a lot of peoples eyes.
Jimmy White doing a great impression of Joe Pesci in Goodfellas
just wearing a worse wig
is my cue action funny like a clown, does it amuse you?
Ronnie is the Roy Keane of snooker.
Perhaps he’s was watching good fellas before the game
Looks like he laughed at the dinlo line as though an attempt to diffuse the situation, which went badly.
The ads are longer than the subject !
"Drama" aside. Good win for Luca, interesting character.
Jimmy was wrong....he should a apologise...it was just a single mistake by the ref.
The ref was out of order
The only 'dinlo' here was Jimmy White for nominating when there was no need.
If you pause it you can see Jimmy didn't use the middle finger!
Absolutely, was the index finger.
Not surprised that Ronnie is defending Jimmy. He's often rude to the refs as well.
Ronnie be like wtf am i hearing? This guy is taking a page from my book 🤣🤣🤣
Bad day for Jimmy, looking for an outlet for his anger.
Jimmy mumbles Blue Ball. Ref tried to make it clear and says Blue Ball. Then Jimmy changed his mind and says brown ball, and you can hear him mumble I didn't look. Ref laughs thinking Jimmy is trying to be a little funny about the change of mind. Then Jimmy goes into his gangster mode. Bottom line is at his best he wouldn't match the top standard of today's game
Come on, Eurosport, the ref has a name, it's Ben Williams, show some respect.
Jimmy's hair is serious.
"Whadda ya mean funny? funny like a clown..."
I like Jimmy but I like Ben Williams much more. And this was clearly on Jim. Don't be rude to refs, they have a hard job with zero to none recognition.
Surprise Surprise Alan and Ronnie backing their man ! 😀, Jimmy clearly over reacted
it's too loud a chuckle from the ref...the players are correct here.
@@hensmithers9687 maybe ref was too loud and Jimmy was wrong!
McManus is a brown nose.
@@Lousy_Bastard yeah his nose smells of it.
Jimmy was wrong, unprofessional and arrogant. He should apologise to the referee.
The two boot lickers in the studio (McManus and O Sullivan) didn't have the balls to call it out, just cos they're mates with Jimmy.
That's not the punditry we pay to see. If you gonna side with your mates, then get another job and let's get Geoff boycott in the studio.
Jimmy 😞! It’s not the incident with the Ref, it’s the fact it’s a signifier that all is not well in the great man’s life.
He puts too much pressure on himself. You can tell with his shot selection he wants to win too much if anything. It’s just the rage against the dying of the light, made a bit worse for our Jimmy because he spent his sporting prime wasted. Had the time of his life no doubt, but now it’s a case of what might have been.
Met jimmy once...never meet your heroes kids. Greatly disappointed
Same goes for the other two
Jimmy was absolutely out of order, and the referee was correct to give him a warning.
You think every ref should put off players with uncontrollable giggling then ?
@@wynlewis5357 I think that every referee should be treated with respect.
The ref was unproffesional.
@@Mogget5 Yes they should but refs should also respect players and situations as well. A bit of laughter here and there is fine, but this referee's timing was awful ... Jimmy was 3.0 down and fighting hard to stay in the match, he was naturally a bit "tight up". Then the ref starts giggling which split Jimmy's concentration and annoyed him. You think other refs would burst out giggling like this guy ?
@@wynlewis5357 The ref only laughed to try and diffuse the situation after being called a dimlo but Jimmy wanted to take it further. And quite rightly paid for it,
Wait a second…jimmy expected to win?!!! Cmon Jim, give it up. You’re an embarrassment!
Yh he called the ref a name first. Called him a dimlow. Think they were both a bit petty and lacked professionalism.
Jimmy mate, I think you should apology to the referee.Mate calm down, love from Bingo
white should retire before he makes further fool of himself...ronnie corrosive behaviours has been rubbing on him , he is 60 should be more mature, wiser.
Jimmy not handling a bad situation well but the ref is worse, starting it and the escalating it to a warning when he should have let it go knowing Jimmy was having a hard time. The ref wasn't losing and having a hard time. The ref should be given a warning for handling it badly and escalating it. Jimmy felt like the ref laughing at him, not with him. Unprofessional and without pressure.
I just heard that the ref is now hiding in the boot of a Rover on the Glen of the Emerald Isles
Naturally Ronnie and the other guy will defend him, their mates with him. Snooker players can be very disrespectful to the referees. Disgusting by White. He’s a sook
Jimmy ought to lighten up, ref obviously laughed at being called a "dinlo" for calling the wrong colour, it's a moment of brevity.
It's a natural nervous reaction to laugh when you don't quite hear someone properly. Bet we've all done it.
Awkwardness is a key factor in snooker long may it continue
White is a grumpy old man
bit out of order from jimmy
Jimmy should have done a Ronnie O'Sullivan & just walked out, Ronnie done that years ago against Stephen Hendry because he wasn't planning well so just gave in & walked out. The look on the young Stephens face was priceless lol
Stephen wasn’t young during that game it was late 2000s wasn’t it
@@lewweb5471 yeah in 2006
You have ABSOLUTELY not a F0CKING CLUE, what you are talking about or what Ronnie was dealing with at that time.
There's errors on both sides that led to the situation snowballing:
Jimmy should have declared louder - it isn't that clear when he mumbles "brown" even with the microphones amped up. Alternatively, he shouldn't have declared at all - Ronnie is spot on that Jimmy will hit whichever ball he is intending to play, so the nomination is probably a little redundant.
Ben clearly hears Jimmy saying something, but clearly mis-hears him. If he wasn't sure what had been nominated, he should have asked Jimmy to repeat his nomination, and this would never have happened. The fact that he declared "blue" shows he probably honestly believes Jimmy nominated that ball.
Jimmy is right to get up off the shot and correct him, because if he does play the brown after the blue was nominated it's a foul.
Ben shouldn't have laughed when Jimmy corrected him - he should have apologised for his own error and corrected the call once it becomes clear what the call actually was. Ben does have a sense of humour from previous matches I've seen him referee and doesn't take himself too seriously for the most part, therefore I believe he isn't laughing at Jimmy.
Jimmy shouldn't have taken it as anything other than Ben laughing at his own error. He actually said "don't laugh" before Ben actually does, so I would argue that he was in a bad frame of mind to begin with.
Ben should have apologised the moment he saw that the laughter had offended Jimmy, but I don't think he tried to - instead it sounds like he was trying to argue his case as to why he laughed. Apologise and we stop here.
Jimmy raises his hand and gestures with his index finger. Given that Ben is looking at Jimmy's face and sees the gesture out of his peripheral, it's reasonable to assume that Ben believes it was a middle finger. I wasn't looking at his hand first time I saw the clip and it does look an awful lot like he's flipping the birdie.
Given what Ben thinks he sees, he's within his rights to issue a warning on the grounds of ungentlemanly conduct, regardless of whether it is what actually happened. You could argue the gesture in itself is aggressive in nature, irrespective of which finger he actually stuck up.
Jimmy accepts the warning but he's clearly been put off and misses the brown.
Doesn't really matter who's at fault - it's so awkward, it overshadows the result.
He didn't laugh when Jimmy corrected him. He laughed after Jimmy called him a Dinlo. I'm surprised he didn't give him a warning for that instead.
Ref Def right. Jimmy quipped "dimmo", or whatever....naturally the ref thinks he's joking so laughs, Jimmy decides that nothing is funny, ref thinks...ok, so you're just being insulting and disrespectful then.....and goes on to warn him about his conduct.
Gotta be honest if I was there ref there I would have found it hard to stay professional after Jimmy insinuated I'm thick by calling me a dimlo. I think I would have replied with "hey Jimmy it's not my fault you're losing. If anyone's the Dimlo here it's you for not being able to pot a ball"... I would have lost my job but I wouldn't have lost my dignity and integrity. The ref was clearly taking humour in the insult and it was clearly intended to be insulting. absolute a hole
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I love Jimmy white, he's my hero but I think Williams is 100% correct!! You can't insult a ref like that and not expect there to be a consequence!!
no one defending Jimmy has has mentioned the fact he insulted the ref. up until that point its an innocent mistake by the ref or a mumbled nomination by Jimmy misheard. once he insulted the ref he was lucky for the ref to laugh it off, and to press it further removes the grey area from the incident.
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Correct but the ref should have warned Jimmy then whether or not he thought he was joking instead of waiting to accuse Jimmy wrongly just to be the big man in the situation. Bloody child shouldn't be refereeing if he is that unprofessional. Jimmy was already having a bad enough time without the ref first of all getting his nomination wrong and then bursting out laughing.
Why is no one talking about Jimmy calling names to the ref? He called him Dinlo! That alone should be a warning. It's ridiculous that they were talking about the ref laughing.
Of course he was laughing, otherwise he would have taken the "Dinlo" seriously, and being that serious calling him that, it's just extremely disrespectful.
White does not deserve to be able to be in on anything anymore...and Ronnie is just a joke seriously....
Jimmy White called him a 'Dinlo' - he should have been warned for that, these two are totally wrong here...
The caption above is not accurate. The ref did not laugh at his own mistake. He laughed at Jimmy's retort. OK Ref made the call for nominated colour too soon and he really ought to have waited or asked Jimmy what he was playing. As Jimmy is not normally so like this he assumed his "dimlo" (?) remark was just a bit of banter and laughed it off - he could've warned Jimmy for that remark alone but chose to laugh it off and not mkae a thing of it - esp as he'd made a minor error. Jimmy saw pure red. He never gave him the finger but given the attitude and without a replay the ref would have to assume it was the finger. It's not the sort of thing we're used to seeing in snooker.
Grow up Jimmy
I'm a massive Jimmy fan. However I've turned the volume up, he does appear to say "blue" which the ref repeats, Jim then says "brown" correcting himself. I don't even know if "dinlo" is Jimmy talking to himself or the ref. The ref obviously thinks it's aimed at him (maybe) and laughs. Clearly Jim is under the pressure, not doing well, and pretty much staring down the barrel, very frustrated. He's taken it out on the ref, who has laughed at an inappropriate point- maybe if it was the first frame, then it would had all have been smiles, however I think the ref has unfortunately misread the situation, and the laugh has wound Jimmy up, he's then reacted, made a big thing about it. I think both their egos have been pricked a little bit there. Learning for both of them, I think! Probably about time Jimmy retired.
There is a couple o players who is not repectfull enough to the judges, thats a shame.
After the ref made the mistake of calling the blue ball as Jimmy's next colour...all Jimmy did was say brown ball!
He didn't EVEN have to nominate a colour (as Ronnie explained, he could choose ANY of the colours)
The fact was the ref laughed at Jimmy when he should have made an apology for his mistake.
The ref has a job to officiate a snooker match NOT be a comedian.
Jimmy felt disrespected as I'm sure anyone else would if they were in his shoes at the time..
I'm on Jimmy's side here.
His LAST words in the clip were "I've done nothing wrong."
Jimmy was a little agitated because before the match the referee told him he wasn't allowed to sniff any Colombian marching powder during the interval.
Both Ronnie at 2:42 and Luca at 4:12 make the same secret signalling gesture while talking about this incident.
A Joe Pesci moment from Jimmy there. Good stuff.
Yeah, referee should have told him: "Now go get your f-ing shine-box..."
The player needs a smack from the ref, not a warning.
My take on it is:
- 1:26 Jimmy mumbles ‘Brown’.
- Ben heard that as ‘Blue’ so announces ‘Blue ball’.
- Jimmy bluntly corrects the ref
- The ref the announces ‘Brown ball’
- Jimmy turns around and says ‘Dinlo/Dimlo’ which basically means idiot (thanks to Nathan Drake who commented this. I always thought it was Dinlow but I never saw it written down until today!)
- Everything after that is obvious
I am on the refs side here. Having seen him a few times, he is quite light hearted and not a jobsworth, so doesn’t deserve a comment like that. Jimmy mumbled brown so it was an easy mistake to make, and most of the blame goes to Jimmy for not being clear, and it’s an easy one to correct. For these reasons you can see why the ref would assume it was a joke because it was a complete overreaction from Jimmy, and it was good of the ref to take it as one. Since it turned out he wasn’t joking, Jimmy deserved a warning. I only fault the ref for making up a different excuse for the warning rather than saying, ‘Oh you weren’t joking? I’m warning you for calling me a Dinlo then’. Which technically he was well within his right to straight away, there are some refs with 0 sense of humour that would have done, and no one likes a jobsworth so we should be grateful for refs like Ben.
Even though I think Jimmy was out of order. I sympathise with him slightly. He was clearly feeling the pressure, which doesn’t justify but could explain why he snapped, and to him it would have been very obvious he was going for the brown and not the blue. Hopefully he watches it back and realises he mumbled brown and he was out of order to the ref, who deserves credit for assuming the best of Jimmy by taking it as a joke.
Yeah I knew Jimmy muttered something and the ref laughed. Tried replaying it but just couldn't catch on. This ref is the jokey type and I have seen him laugh and joke around before. When Jimmy questioned "What's funny about that?", he should've said your right, nothing funny for calling me a Dinlo, I am warning you. Lmao.
@@Theakaash123 hahaha yeah
Very astute observation & I concur entirely.
Jimmy needs to lighten up a bit regardless of the pressure.
I've replayed this several times now & every time I hear Jimmy say "blue".
Am I the only one?
Pretty much nailed my opinion too. 😊
Ben Williams needs to be the ref for Ronnie, McManus and Jimmy's next few games.
Angles was saying the refs used to address the players as Sir, yes sir , thankyou Sir, what's that got to do with it. Angles is a proper dimbo.
Let´s be honest, White has made he himself a little bit of a clown or a mascot of the game latter years anyways so......
Good to see a refee stand up against bullshit behaviour. He looked about ready and able to kick Whites arse out of the room.
I understand the guys are friends with Jimmy but they can't defend him. I'm a big fan of Jimmy but he was out of order
The referee thought Jimmy was going to pot the blue. Jimmy overreacted due to frustration with the standard of his game.
Jimmy hasn't done well in any pro events for two decades. He's currently ranked 90th in the world. He should retire. He's had a great career (when in his prime) so be thankful for that.
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