Bad Gear - Pioneer Toraiz AS-1
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Welcome to Bad Gear, the show about the world's most hated audio tools. Today we are going to talk about the Pioneer Toraiz AS-1. Is this DJ tool designed by the legendary Dave Smith of Sequential Circuits fame a real Prophet. Is it the Sequential Profit?
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro tune
01:04 Overview Pioneer DJ Toraiz AS1
1:29 Oscillators
01:50 Filters
02:07 Modulators (Envelopes, LFO)
02:16 Prophet 6 Synth Engine, Menu Diving
02:31 Modulations, Touch Slider
02:52 FX Section
03:15 Sequencer (Menu Diving again)
03:40 Arpeggiator
03:51 Restart, Midi Clock, Timing Issues
04:13 Front Panel Design Quirks
04:24 Presets
04:50 Build Quality, Pricing, Thanks,...
05:05 Hate
05:29 Jam 1 (Bassline)
06:22 Jam 2 (Mellow Tones)
07:23 Finale (Proto Bass Music)
07:52 Verdict
08:59 Patreon Vocoder Shoutout
Audiopilz: *slaps roof of YT channel*
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Hi! Why did you need to use external clock in first jam? How did you use it? Thank you
TAL Vocoder 2 v3.0.. Great upload as always
Thankyou Mate 🎹🎼🔉
shoutout to this channel for being literally the only one that can mix both music and spoken word audio levels to be the same level of loudness, furiously cranking down the volume when the music comes on in other folks' videos is turning me into the joker
Thank you!!! Theatre sound engineer for over a decade here;)
all of the yes
We are eternally grateful !!
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100% agreement from this theatre sound designer/engineer and occasional mixer of audio ads and video ads.
You've done it. That was the last piece of gear I owned you haven't covered. Now recording on 100% bad gear.
Bad Gear certified!
Bingo!!! Congratulations!!!
Welcome to the 100% Bad Gear setup club
Time to go modular ;)
Bad Gear is like a sitcom that I can look forward to every week.
Thank you!!!❤️❤️❤️
No laugh track needed !
This is one of those synths that I always see on web retailers but never hear of anyone saying they actually own one.
I more or less found it by coincidence
I have one and I love it!
I own one and a million other synths and high end gear and this sounds as good as anything.
Its A LOT of VCO/VCF analog monosynth for the money.
i have one and its basic but pretty cool, its exactly what i would expect a mono synth to be. and its fairly cheap
The “mellow tones” demo was wonderful!
Thank you!!!
yes, that was a lovely one too, but today all of them was just some best of kindness, fortunate headphones listening
This synth is fiiiing fantastic. One of the best mono synths I have.
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Agreed
Agreed. I've owned a lot and it's my favourite
Set AS-1 as slave no s/s. Live record and sequence from Digitakt. Rock solid clock plus CC abilities. Use on board sequencer to audition presets. Soundtower editor and plugin is excellent. Stellar sounding compact analog mono synth for the money with built in effects, presets, OLED, metal build and Prophet 6 lineage. Thank you Dave!
Great technique!
The weekend has landed! 😊
TGIF!!!
AS-1 sales have gone up 1000%, from 1 unit shipped per month to 11!
Lol
My liveset synth for years!! Just sequence it with an external sequencer and you have no more timing problems.
Way to go!
Yep 😎 I sequence mine with my Toraiz SP-16. Perfect pair
Circuit tracks does the job too.
The worst thing about the AS-1 is that Pioneer let some complete TOOL run rough shod as admin on their AS-1 support forum. He just insulted customers left, right and centre, must have cost them more in bad reputation and sales than the dodgy MIDI sync, which they never fixed. But the synth itself is quite nice, just a limited interface, and you're better off sequencing it from an external sequencer. Pretty fair review, thanks !!! 🙂
I've heard bad things about support too!
@@AudioPilz Yeah, the Pioneer DJ admin guy just took delight in insulting AS-1 customers asking reasonable questions !! Never seen anything like it with any other synth maker. 😲
@@2112jonr he was a volunteer I believe, which makes the whole thing even more bizarre... but I know who you're talking about and I agree, he is/was a bit of a bellend in general. Although, one time when I had an issue with the SP-16 he was actually very helpful
the responsibility falls directly on Pioneer's feet for allowing such behavior to be allowed.
I turn a blind eye to Pioneer's somewhat inability to deliver something that was/ could have been brilliant.
Inhalt did a direct comparison with a Pro One, that's what made me get one, well 2.
So I have the trifecta, Pro 1, Pro 2 and Pro 3.
Could not be happier.
Let me guess, it was Pulse.. he's an absolute flog
For someone who's not in love with the Prophet sound but recognizes it's strengths, I don't need more than one voice and there's no way I'm paying the prices that DSI/Sequential polys demand. This seems a more than adequate studio tool for laying down leads and basses the Prophets excel at for a price that doesn't make me wince so hard. I think it's a winner.
Great if it fits a setup!
I have it. It's a great monophonic synthesizer. Of course, there's menu diving. However, I would recommend getting the AS-1 sound editor. The editor makes you realize the depth of the AS-1
I purchased a Tetra mint for $400 and 2 Morpho's for approximately $125 each in excellent condition.. my Prophet 08 that was factory reconditioned(changed the encoders to potentiometers) was $950. in my opinion it's the synth of the century.. don't underestimate the bright aggressive "American" sounding oscillators an all the gear above they will easily cut through the heaviest mix.. all I write is extremely busy hard abstract techno..
Get the Behringer pro 1 if you want “that sound” for cheap. I’ve got one and it’s a winner.
@@jdrukman ..I disagree the Morpho's were cheaper with 4 LFO's and a huge modulation sequencer matrix that's why I bought 2.. I also have a Tetra and Prophet 08 rack( which I think is the synth ofthe century). with the Prophet 08 you can also stack layers A and B to get 4 oscillators per voice with a total of 4 voices.. 4 LFO's per voice and being able to choose a huge LFO signal path easily l blows the Behringer out of the water.. check out the manuals..
I own two because I love mine so much. It's honestly my favorite Mono and I've been through a bunch. It makes my Minitaur jealous. I will die on a hill for this synth.
The menu is a bit deep at first but once you get past that you find out that the one knob actually scrolls through all the parameters you'd really need pretty quick.
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Same
I have 2 too, I sold my Minitaur as found the AS1s so much more fun.
It's limited but that's up to the user to make it shine.
Does it respond to velocity or aftertouch over midi?
@@TwinCitiesOxygenyes to both
This is one of my favorite synths in my collection lol
Nothing personal;)
How’d you fix the MIDI clock drift problem?
same
Perhaps this one is not bad but just a little embarrassing to admit to owning.
@@seanwieland9763 The AS-1 doesn't drift exactly, it needs to be started clean on the downbeat and once the sequencer is running you can't change patches or sync is lost. I clock mine with MIDI using an ACME-4 which lets you to stop and start each of four connected devices, on the one, without stopping the others. It works perfectly, but the ACME-4 is ridiculously expensive (and fantastic). Clocking the AS-1 with anything other than MIDI reveals real bugs, like the arpeggiator stops working...
You should definitely put out some song writing / arrangement guides !!!
May the Dave be with you ❤💯
Great idea, thanks!!!
that would be really a good thing !! ❤
please, think about that
If you happen to have an OB-6, its front panel controls map automatically to the correct AS-1 parameters via MIDI, which means you can just do everything on the OB-6.
I use mine that way sometimes, but also I map a Novation Launch Control XL to it via Bome Midi Translator. It's not as good as knobs on the front, but i only have to menu dive for some of the more obscure settings.
The sequencer timing issues are real, so it's best to use an external sequencer.
Wow, didn't know that! Thanks for the heads up!
Nice little DAF sequence around 3:20 ❤
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came here to say this but i was delighted to see someone else noticed.
The amount of work you must put in every single week I can only imagine. One wonders if you have time to eat and sleep, never mind ever take a vacation. As always the jams sound great.
Thank you!!! I try to live a balanced lifestyle...
Now you have to do one for the Toraiz SP-16!!! Both fantastic and bad gear at the same time 🤣🤣🤣
A friend of mine has one, great idea! Thanks!
no dont let anyone know about the secret😁
@@MrSTAYUP33 🧡
Yes do it. I have one.
The synth I've read so much about over the years but I have never ever in my life seen anywhere. I don't even believe it's real and you can't change my mind!
It seems like Vaporware in a way...
I own so many flagship monos and polys. This is as good as any. I love it and own two.
It's an esoteric enigma waiting for your justification to exist. If you order one, it could magically materialize at your doorstep 🤣
Most important part is it sounds great!! Menu is tedious, but useable. 1000 total preset slots with 500 stock presets. Has a free editor/vst. It's an affordable mini DS synth. Far from perfect, but love mine and have zero regrets!! Bonus - Runs on 5v so can be portable with a small battery bank/usb to plug connector.
True that!
Toraiz AS-1 sound a lot better than Sequential Pro-3. I have both, I can't believe it!! Thank you.
Thanks for the heads up!!!
The happy accident machine just like my dx200… Don’t let the name pioneer and cdj look of the toraiz gear fool you!! It’s well thought out set of performance tools!! The SP 16 is also a KILLER machine. The sound of this as1 synth is mature.I am not a super big fan of modern DSI sound but can work with its hifi character if I need to. It’s control limitations are not a problem for me, there is so much memory inside there is always something inspirational to be found, tweaked or performed into something new. The sequencer is limited yes but why do people always complain about rudimentary sequencers and silently still use sh101s internal sequencers. The lack of Automation recording means you have to perform something.. people are spoiled with sophisticated elektrons that sound far from lush and cost 3 times more at least ! A midi controller is available in max4live but it’s a matter of time before someone makes a dedicated controller for as1. The effects inside are decent enough. Just play a bunch of notes and ties into it, easy to get something going. Someone compared this 1 on 1 with a pro1 on UA-cam and he nailed it pretty close… I consider this a poor man’s pro 1 and rather get this secondhand instead of a piece of Behringer junk from the lower construction market shelves. Built quality is great and and the sequencer and performance controls are bonus on top of a really great synth engine. If a dedicated controller arrives I’m the first to buy one.
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you have a wonderfully *synnic* way of handling "bad gear".
I used to like the Toraiz. I still do, but I used to, too.
Thank you!!!
Weird seeing this when I was just using my AS1 today. I always thought of this as the secret weapon hidden form everyone. It's basically a monophonic Prophet 6 that doesn't scale down on anything. The sound of this thing is lush and big. I use it with a midi keyboard. Amazing playing experience. Menu is the typical Dave smith type. I heard about clock issues with this and the other Toraiz gear Dave worked on the SP 16. This was made to sync with the Toraiz SP16. That's a very nasty music making combo.I had that too at one point very fun box. Needed some work but it was very fun. The Toraiz community is small but dedicated and when I mean dedicated those guys been waiting YEARS for updates.
Update policy is a crime here
Almost had a heart attack while was reading "toraiz squid" in the title, thought my favourite sequencer would be smashed today.
Thank you for the video.
I would like to see behringer neutron review.
Great suggestion, thanks!
I wouldn't turn one down. Great video as usual 👍
Thank you!!!
This is a fantastic sounding synth, I love it to bits ! Got it for 400 euros, which is much less than 1/6 of the price for a Prophet 6. I never cared about the DJ marketing and always saw it like an easily transportable and modern Pro 1 with patch memory. I never use onboard sequencers so couldn't care less about midi sync issues... This is a must for EBM and industrial.
Nice price!
I own the AS1 and a Prophet 6. While their architecture looks on paper the same, it seems to me the single voiced AS1 got more weight and brilliance.
Thanks for the heads up!
I agree I sold my Prophet 6 and kept the AS1 for life.
Mono will always sound heavier than a poly, you have less equing to worry about when 1 voice vs 6.
1 voice has much more room to play with where as 6 voice would have ~ 1/6 the same sonic arena if all 6 notes were played at once.
Thankyou for this. I didn’t even know pioneer made synths.
They usually don't;)
I love the AS-1. Just something about it. The form factor. And it sounds so good; those VCO's absolutely sound better than Mopho/Tetra's DCO's. It's on my desk a lot. It's a happy accident machine, so easy to get a sequence going to build around. Your music demo is one of your best, but I expected to see the TB-3 beside it.
Not putting the TB3 in there is a missed opportunity indeed!
so I will ask again since you avoided answering my last question, why do you have 1.08K subs, only 127 channel views and 1 video that is something to do with fabric?
We get you have bought subs, but why would you have a channel with so many subs and zero content?
@@alexwestconsulting no you didn't why lie?
@@dankeplace I already answered your question: I used to create content, now I don’t. My material is private because it’s work related. Again, I already told you this, but frankly you are rather dense for it not registering, for not thinking of this obvious scenario, for jumping to conclusions, and for outright accusing someone you don’t know of “buying subscribers” (is that even a real thing?). Seriously, why would someone who doesn’t have posted content “buy subscribers”? Did you think about this at all before popping off? I mean, it’s just so dumb. You like the as-1, I like the as-1. That’s all that matters here bro. If this is a party, you are a serious buzzkill. Maybe go make a video on the as-1 and you too will have 1k subscribers.
@@dankeplace I explicitly already told you this. And you should have thought about it anyway. I’d love to see 2 as-1’s together. I was thinking of getting a second one myself. Maybe go make that video. I'll subscribe. Peace.
This machine is actually amazing. Had one for years and genuinely think it's the best sounding monosynth in its price range.
also you know you can program the sequencer in step mode, SH-101 style
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Agreed, it sounds great. If you use it purely as a synth engine, no complaints.
Fully agree
You never cease to impress me, Florian. Excellent video once again.
Thank you!!!
the next best synth will only have 3 knobs: preset change, filter and resonance. literally every dj will crave for it 😂
thanx for the cats as usual 😻
There should be a market for that;)
Idk, this one is close to me heart, one of the most enjoyable synths iv ever had
I found this one really suprising!!!
Yeah, i can't deny though the issue with the clock, same with the SP-16 Toraiz sampler, amazing machine..... Terrible clock
Another great machine that I came within millimeters of purchasing. It’s small, and sounds killer.
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This one was inevitable, and it's one of my very favorites. The resonant highpass is so playable and fun. It is absolutely not a groove box, although it looks like one and was unfortunately marketed as one. Another great episode Florian! I first came to this channel for the gear, now I come back every week for the Epic Jams.
Thank you!!!
You know what’s awesome? I head bang to everyone of your intros and you’re my favorite sound gear tech reviewer period. Honest, detailed and pleasantly salty. Love these reviews and you!!
Thank you so much!!!
Your creativity on new pieces of bad gear each week is excellent.
Thank you!!!
it's a nice synth overall. good for not taking too much space on your desk. sound quality great
Agreed!!!
Loved the 1978 adult movie track snippets.
You rock my man!
Thank you!!!
after breaking my heart with Syntakt you have restored my faith
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Really great to see some comments on the quality of the sync. I find this feature of audio gear is often missed altogether in detailed product reviews. If you can continue to comment on sync and stop start, reset functions on the gear you cover that would appreciated. Always entertaining and informative. Great stuff!
Thank you!!! As I am a total failure as a keyboard player this aspect will always get a mention if there's something wrong with it
Nicky and PWM “Easter eggs” are amazing)) After almost 3 years of watching your content, I’ve started to think that I love Fridays even more than ever😄
Thank you!!!
Once again, FLorian...you make a show about a piece of gear that I own. I got this used for a good price and the sound is really incredible. I would never use an onboard sequencer (I know many do, no disresepect.) So the timing with MIDI clocks is a non issue. You didn't mention the amazing build quality on this device vs. other synths in the same price range. It is very weighty and tough. Thanks again, and see you next time!
Thanks for the heads up!!!
Mega synth in my collection since the launching. With the free editor its a bliss.
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Minding my own business with headphones in at work. UA-cam plays three consecutive ads in a row and then the video is suddenly over in the middle of jam 2.
I want to burn everything down. Everything.
Sorry to hear that. The YT algo can be vicious from time to time...
All hail AudioPilz, we are not worthy, the whole package is without equal!
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Fact: Not a single DJ has ever used this.
This is a great device if you treat it like a VST to get that amazing P6 sound.
You're probably right here...
I don’t know why a DJ should use a synth in the first place))
Great videos as always! Keep up the awesome work
Thank you so much!!!
extremely fair review as always Professor.. I didn't know about this one but instantly recognized the bright aggressive "American" sounding oscillators.. I love my Tetra, Prophet 08 rack (the analog synth of the century in my opinion) and 2 Morpho's.. thank you from Upstate New York
Thanks!!! Nice setup!
Loved the nod to max headroom at the end.
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All of the jams are soo good. On all your videos. But this finale one 👌🏼👌🏼
Thank you!!!
Love everything about this and you!
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my favourite patch for your intro yet
Thank you!!!
Thank you, I need no longer wonder about this enigmatic bloop box. ❤
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I appreciate the many talents you display on every video. Also wouldn't mind seeing more "DJ" gear on the show
Thank you so much!!! Great idea!
8:26 That sacred Nick's picture was truly hilarious😂
Amen!!!
Proto Bass jam was beautiful, tempted now !
There truly are some fantastic sounds in that little box... if they could knock it out for under 300 planetary tokes, I think I'd buy one without thinking twice...
Yeah, 300 would be great for this
I got mine for 230 second hand
Thank you for the Max Headroom reference at the end 😎
Always a pleasure! Thank you!
Man thank you so much, I had one and I sold it ❤❤❤ very awesome youtube channel😊
Thank you ❤️❤️❤️
I say it like every week, but great video as always!
Thank you so much!!!
Nice double-exposure psychedelia in the final demo in this one! Don't have a ton else to say because it's all pretty self-explanatory as a mini mono Prophet. Nice choice of memes as usual.
BTW: whatever settings you dialled-in for GlitchYeen sounds remarkably similar to the vocal effect applied on the "doldrums" in The Phantom Tollbooth! You might want to find a clip of that if you haven't seen it. It also has a lot of visual sequences which could honestly work well for your music videos or video intros!
Thank you!!!
Sampling the AS-1 gives you a super ballsy modern Prophet-Style Poly 💪🏻
Word!
Been waiting for this one!
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I didn't even know this this thing existed. I have so much learning of new things today. I also learned that I do not want one! (Take THAT, GAS!) Thank you, Florian!
Always a pleasure;)
Actually the best part of my Friday
Have a nice weekend!!!
The "Hit like" preset at 2:09 made my day!
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Fantastic your music skills are unmatched
Thank you so much!!!
love mine. its simple and exactly what i expect from a farily cheap monosynth.Of course pioneer abandoned it. Its not bad but they always half ass the total concept then abandon it after a year or 2, leaving a potentially great piece of gear 60% done. Paired with a sp-16, its the perfect Pioneer unfinished gear but still super fun package
The toraiz line personifies bad gear videos
edit pretty rare to see a little synth get this much love on here
good job as always
Thank you so much!!!
I have 2 AS1s and the SP16, had the Squid but the lack of real screen made it hard to see what was going on.
thank you, i love mine, glad i got it before you got to it, was just controlling it already, and was gonna get the best of it into multisample
Nice!
@@AudioPilz I got stood up on 4 TX81Z's last summer, I got one before you got to it, but it's price was on that up curve all year already and it didn't actually blow up bad all at once
I see the drumbrute impact has been pulling it's weight on this show 😂
It's a fun drum machine!
@@AudioPilz it is, still central to my setup, I like the big boom of the kick a bit too much...😅
Such a great teacher 🫡.Many thanks👌✌️
Thank you so much!!!
Awesome video. I've been subscribed since you had like 5k subscribers and have loved seeing this channel grow so much. Just such awesome, unique content. Since you're doing this video for the AS-1, Will you ever do one for the Toraiz SP-16.
Thank you!!! A friend of mine has one so that should work out some time in the future
Yeah the SP is both great and terrible - the perfect bad gear candidate! It does work wonderfully with the AS1 however
@@Andycabourn Absolutely true. I still love mine (and the AS-1), despite some of the well documented omissions of basic functionality. It sounds fantastic and chopping samples on it is great.
Thanks for your work,
I think it will be really interesting to create a SoundCloud page where will be all sounds of the intro played on different devices, which will be updated with the release of a new video.
Great idea, thanks!!!
Thanx for the "Der Musolini"
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GREAT VID !!!! ....well, you know what, it sound good. The interface/panel makes you want to jump out the window, but hey it's sounds good. Thanks for the video.
Thank you!!!
This is a new one to me, every day's a school day 😊
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Never heard of this but really like the sound of it.. now looking up Prophet 6 desktops..
Prophet 6 desktop is so tempting
@AudioPilz Hmm, I think I've got GAS again, thought I was over that years ago..
I love how earnestly you announced today's genre, almost like a "FINALLY I've been waiting for this."
Funnily enough when I was watching this I was like "Maybe I should get a Pro-1 VST" since I've struggled to find a decent Prophet at an affordable price and stack it. It's how they did stuff in the 60s/70s!
u-he Repro is pretty awesome, can't speak for its accuracy but I love the sound of it.
Synth stacking is key!
second jam is awesome! thx!
Thank you!!!
Whoever wrote "this was a nightmare"... well if that's supposed to be a negative, they clearly haven't been having the right sort of nightmares.
You gotta have dreams tho;)
I guess "Brilliant Gear With Some Potentially Deal-breaking Quirks" would be a bit of a mouthful of a channel title, although I'm sure it would sound awesome in German.
Definitely a hit in Germany (but only there;)
My house has moved 20 cm because of the subs in Jam 2. Well done.
Thank you!!!
So good to listen to your videos with a good headpghone now. I guess I'll have to watch all older videos again with this ATH-AD900X haha
Nice choice! Thanks!
Great jams, especially Jam #2 and the main one. :)
Thank you!!!
Bahahahaha. Great use of the "Guardians of the Galaxy" scene. " - I am no longer your slave!" (1 second later enslaved and annihilated by AS-1) 😂
Story of my life;) Thanks!
Oh my gosh I forgot all about that dial an insult line commercial! The 90s were a weird time.
DIAL AN INSULT!!!
Love the Proto Bass Jam! It should be mentioned there is a Sound Tower editor for full synth ending from your computer, and I believe the LE version is free.
Thanks!!! I really have to give that one a try!
Great channel ❤
Thank you so much!!!
Jam 2 and the finale sound really good.
Thank you!!!
Can look useless but i love the sounds of the AS-1 so much and effects/filters. Thanks for this episod ;)
Thanks for watching!!!
Pillzaddicts here, I love the AS-1, so easy to underestimate:)
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They sound very nice.
I think you would have a lot of fun reviewing the PIONEER TORAIZ SP16 sampler...
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Great suggestion, thank you!!!
This unit sounds fantastic, but holy moly the cut-off knob needed a little more breathing room from the program knob!
DANGER ZONE!!!
Yep, it's cramped in there and easy to twist the wrong knob too. Best used as a synth module with external controllers.
I agree with everything you said, that's why I own 2 of these. They are beasts, I don't internally clock, I use these as modules and as 1 voice of a P6, I got 2 for the $ of 1 AS1.
I have made some of my best tracks with the AS1s, I would never want to menu dive but externally sequencing and using the arp gets you some seriously good movement, even with that limited surface control.
The AS1 has probably been one of my most inspiring instruments with lacking surface controls, which pushes your imagination, and it screams play me, you have to interact with it or it's going to sound very vanilla.
Do the Pioneer Toraiz SP16 next, you will find that is a rough gem too, Pioneer did a deal with the devil himself, they just never followed through with what could have been something magnificent.
I am sure Dave was disappointment somewhat, but hell he got paid so I don't think he cared too much.
Great upload, thx.
Agreed!!! Thank you so much!!!
I love the Toriaz Squid. Lots of people talk sh!t about it, but it’s actually an amazing sequencer if you don;t need ‘song’ mode or patterns longer than 4 bars. You can live-chain, but nobody talks about that. Of course sequencers aren’t so useful for ‘Bad Gear’ but the Toriaz Squid is a real gem that gets called garbage.
This sounds spectacular! and for a microkorg owner such as myself, this has a LOT of knobs 🤣
Lol
Haha that’s a good way of putting things in perspective
I do not need another synth. I don't need another synth. I don't need another synth
Why not get another synth?;)