Why Did Tyr Travel To Greece? - God of War Ragnarok Theory
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- Опубліковано 7 бер 2022
- The topic of whether Kratos will go back to Greece is one that fans of the series love to discuss. But I never thought of a good story reason for them to take this trip halfway through the Norse series. Well that changes today, I think this is my best theory ever. I hope you enjoy it.
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Don't forget that Tyr already knows who Kratos is because when Kratos and Atreus went to his temple, Kratos saw a vase with himself drawn on it. So Tyr took the vase from the Greeks and is probably aware of who Kratos is and what he did
That so true I forgot about that
If he knows who he is what if he comes back in ragnorok and doesn’t want kratos there and we get to fight him 😮
@@ssklilhungry822 nope wouldn't happen he hates fighting he just wants peace
@@ssklilhungry822 don't think he would wanna fight kratos though just because he knows him
@Real Sam what are u talking about
It would be crazy if we saw the surviving Greek gods like Artemis and Aphrodite
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That would be insane! I would flip
@@KaptainKuba What if they get the help of Atlas? the one holding greece op not the one from the great war.
I thought aphrodite is dead
@@KaptainKuba This is my theory about GoW: Ragrarok, that everything happened in the Norse myth is actually binded in a time loop (that proly Odin caused to avoid his death), that Ragnarok - The White Frost is gonna be the end, and in the end of Ragnarok, the White Light is also the beginning of a new cycle, where everything are born anew. The "prophercy" is just a record of people from the previous cycle to the next, as well as the World Serpent isn't comming from the future, but from the past cycle to the next.
The appearance of Kratos from a different pantheon with powers and determination will break the cycle and let time flows normal again in the Norse realms. In the previous cycles, Layfey would bore a son with another man other than Kratos, name him Loki, who would grow strong, then give birth to Jomungandur, and kill Baldur to start Ragnarok. But in this cycle, Laufey met and fell in love with Kratos instead and gave birth to Atreus and the two is the variables.
That will also explains why the jotuns in Jotunheim are all dead despite due to different flow of time, little time passed there compared to decades in Midgard after their departure with Laufey. Bcause the Jotunheim tower was stored in the realm between realms, which is outside of the time cycle, it inevitably led them to Jotunheim in one of the previous cycle instead of the current one. That also explains the appearance of Angroboda, a jotun in the next game, that she would actually come from the current cycle's Jotunheim which is actully still prosperous.
In fact, Hestia and Demeter are still alive and are the last of the original six olympians.
tyr: 'kratos i know u from somewhere'
A return to Greece.. It would be NOSTALGIC 😌
With new graphics!!!!!!
And unnecessary 🤡
Is Greece not destroyed?
@@GourSmith You're the clown
@@str8rippi What is there to go back to unless it’s time-travel shenanigans? There’s no reason to go back unless it’s a manipulation of time. Maybe Kratos has to convince his former self to change his ways and not kill the pantheon. Unless this is the case-I’m no clown and I stand by my comment.
Love the fact you've been giving out lores so much!
I'm glad you enjoy the content ❤️
I would have imagined that the pottery in Tyr's temple that depict Kratos on a pile of corpses and Greece on ruins was a better clue as to when he visit Greece, but sure, hard question, the tapestry of course.
ohh true
He traveled multiple times to multiple realms and other pantheons. He could've got the tapestry and pot at different times on different journeys so using one to say when the other was made isn't a great idea
But the vase also depicts Greece being rebuilt on the back side.
@@sussysam2000 Which implies that Tyr visited Greece at a time after the fall of Olympus and the reconstruction of the empire by men.
If I was to give my honest opinion. That sounds like a very interesting theory and it is plausible. The device has orange and blue orbs. And in relation to the primordial creative essence you find yourself at Ginnungagap. This was the steam/mist formed when the realm of fire melted the realm of ice. In other words orange for fire and blue for ice. The steam/mist that made Ymir. As we know Ymir was used to created the realms.
odin and his 2 brother created 9 realms...not ymir
@@draco5164 Well you are right Odin and his brothers Vi and Villi created the 9 realms. But they used the flesh of Ymir as building materials. This was the origin of the war between the gods of Asgard and Jotunheim.
If Tyr recreates the pantheon with Jotnar magic, could that actually be the new hiding place for the jotun in Greece, further away from Odin?
Then Atreus(Loki) could become the new Leader or King of the Jotun in a place where Odin feels less threatened by them. Plus Loki could rule the new Pantheon in Greece while Kratos takes on the role of Tyr and travel to a new world as a messenger as he as grown older, wiser, and less of an instigator yet still strong. Tyr does the ascension like Athena.
@@dangriswold5355 very interesting
@@jackreeves7 a good "vitamin" intake helps fuel these thoughts
Ciool
well with words like "recreating greek pantheon" the first thing that comes to my mind is the roman one, thats basically the same one with differnt names
Kuba always meets expectations
Also when did Odin throw Tyr in prison ?
Description of Ragnarok is not something PS4 can handle
The book Lore and Legends says that Tyr disappeared approximately 140 years before the events of GoW 2018, when Odin was jealous and worried about Tyr's relationship with the giants. PS4 will really suffer to run the game 😂😂😂
That's something lore and legends tells us, I believe it was 140 years prior to the events of Gow 4
@@KaptainKuba If Tyr was in prison how could your theory be correct?
@@NDO6 Tyr visited Greece after their destruction but before he got imprisoned/Kratos arrived in Midgard.
Kratos is 200+ years
I had thought the item given was simply a scroll containing knowledge that would be useful in rebuilding. Such as perhaps the knowledge of how to create realm travel, perhaps how to make a bifrost, or perhaps a prophecy or maybe a map to a safer place than the devastated Greek world.
I think you are on to something man. I 100% agree that maybe Tyr did travel to Greece after Kratos left it in ruin. This is a small thing to mention but to add more to your reasoning all you have to do is compare the greek figures to the Norse ones. They look sick: their skin seems to be sort of green and their postures are hunched over as if they don't have the energy to stand. It could be a reference to the death of Hermes and the release of the plague! Great video Kuba
I like to think that Demeter and Hestia ruled what remained of Olympus as the two last olympians alive and then they moved on when their humans stopped to worship them. Despite never appeared ingame, Demeter and Hestia exist in GoW universe, they just never confronted Kratos not even to protect Zeus. It's pretty obvius with Demeter because she's Persephone's mother and make a cameo as pedestals in her daughter's temple. As for Hestia she's only mentioned in the GoW II novelization.
Is Apollo and Artemis Alive at this time?
@@Eoeokdkddnjd The situation with them is odd as they never appear properly in the games. Apollo only appears in a mural in GoW Ascension and his mythical Bow appear in GoW III in the hand of former hero Perithous. As for Artemis she appears to Kratos shortly after he enters Pandora's Temple, presenting her personal blade as a gift. There's also a concept art of her that was to appear in the multiplayer mode of GoW Ascension but was cut in the end. I think they're still alive and never took revenge on Kratos for what he did for unknown reasons.
Athena did say that hope was the most powerful thing in the Greek pantheon so alot can happen with it
I honestly always thought that object was more symbolic than anything else. The tapestries and shrines had some form or symbolism in one way or another, and this could be one too. Showing Tyr, the Norse God of War with a hilt that has no blade symbolizing his desire for peace.
Or maybe I’m just overthinking it XD
I totally agree with the creative essence idea
I believe that when the final boss in Ragnarok is killed, tyr would send kratos and atrues to the greek Pantheon to restore it, however kratos would stay there to witness the stability of greek Pantheon while atrues would return to his homeland to make sure it's properly restored.
Aaaaand maybe, in the end of the game we would see a cinematic video in which young age atrues comes to his father asking for help against new gods who are willing to steal the creative essence and that would be an opening for the next part of the game (after Ragnarok)
I would love a return to Greece 🤩
HECK YEAH ME TOO
feels unfair to give so much spotlight for just 2 pantheons... if yknow what i mean
What would we do in greece now that most of the gods are dead and kratos absolutely hates greece and dosent want to go there ever again?
@@spaghettimaghetti5042 get any of his weapons back? Could it be the Blade of Olympus? to be able to defeat Odin? I had those hypotheses and they were logical the truth
theory: the device turns the Greek pantheon into the roman Gods, and as Kratos, maybe in another game, you have to do quests to prove you're worthy, which Kratos doesn't like ,obviously
i can be wrong, but freya gave a hint that kratos's magic is no more bc of his past land is dead,, even kratos admitted that he tried to recall his powers but failed,,so after gow3 if tyr helped greece to rebuild their land then kratos would've gained access to his old magic... Correct me if im wrong
I need to see norse kratos attempting to do posiedons rage
It would amazing if this theory is true, not only returning to greece but also maybe to see if there any of the gods that didn't appear in previous games be there🤩
I would love it man
@@KaptainKuba Athene'a spirit is still there (in Greece). Maybe she found a way to resurrect herself? She was the goddess of just war and wisdom after all. Perhaps Kratos is in for penance or absolution?
That's one of the best theories I've heard from you!
It's amazing Kaptain, love your work ❤ 👍🏻
Keep it coming definitely bringing up stuff I almost completely forgotten about and connecting it to the 2018 GOW stuff- sound spot on man 🔥💪
I can tell this took a lot of work and thought good stuff as always man!
Yeah it did, thanks a lot for the support
Great video Kuba! This is a very well constructed and logically plausible theroy and I am interested to see if this surfaces within the final release of the game
BTW, one little touch that would be amazing in the last GoW was Kratos speaking in Greek with Athenas and hearing Zeus also in Greek.
Also since Atreus learns languages so easily, they could have some moments talking in Greek to avoid people nearby understanding them.
oh men ,that pandora melody is amazing ,great content ♥️
What if the Greeks are actually giving tyr something to help with his temple or something for kratos just a thought
This is very interesting, and just noticed that the thing Tyr is giving to the people it has a tow colors blue and yellow, and those colors usually means light and dark. Maybe IT'S a device that controls the sun and the moon "day and night "
Yeah man I was thinking the same after I finish editing the video.
While using the unity stone for time traveling to greek, I reckon he'll face all the previous Greek Gods once again.
First of all, this was a random UA-cam recommendation on my feed, their robots almost always throw random stuff at me, but when it actually works, I find videos that ar bang on point! I love this theory, I'm a big fan of GoW story and lore, I don't remember every single detail but this sounds very plausible. Can't wait for then next game to drop and find out what happens!
Also, love your Catto!
Your theories never fail to entertain me lol
Kratos visit Greek again'
Greek: ah shit here we go again....
I have just seen this video now and wow this is a very promising theory indeed Kuba 💯
You got my sub with the classic background music 😢 🔥
Thank you! I'm glad you liked my background song so much that you subscribed 😅
I could definitely see the story going this way, as I believe we’re definitely returning to Greece in the next game
Damn last time I was this early Kratos still had a daughter
Nahhhhhhh 😂😂😭😭
is almost a fact that tyr got to greece after kratos got known, cuz he has that vase of kratos in his vault, and also because of the things that you said, this is why i think they won't gonna get along in the beginning of the game, tyr wouldn't be happy to teammate with a genocidal god that distroyed a entire civilization just because he wanted, probably.
I think tyr will understand why he did it and if his goals is to move the giants there all more reason, but i sense a betrayal from tyr
@5:40 !!!! Woah Primordial Creative Essence do make sense and fits perfectly !
I think you got it Kap.!
There would be no reason for Tyr to do another trip to Greece, so this panel probably shows when Tyr got the Kratos's amphora (I'm guessing Tyr visited each country only once)
About that object I have no clue
And yes, was Cronos who ruled over mortals before Zeus (I believe he also created the first ones as well)
You did a wonderful brother keep it up
2:12 doesn't the fire in the mural prove that it's after Prometheus gave the humans fire?
i get ur point however as he described they were really a developed country. When prometheus gave the humans fire, they weren't that much evolved: it was in process.
I want to see Greece with these new graphics, besides, Athena looks so exquisite, we deserve more Athena!
I really love this theory and I really hope we do get to go back to Greece at some point in Ragnarok.
I think Kratos would be shocked to see how much it has changed in Greece since it can probably be reasonably assumed it has been hundreds of years since Kratos left Greece.
I think it’d be cool if when we went to Greece we could see a Greece where the mortals have taken charge of their own destiny without the oppression of and reliance on the Olympian gods, allowing them to focus on scientific advancement rather than worshipping of deities. Perhaps because of that when we visit Greece the Greek civilisation has advanced to a point maybe even being 100-200 years off of modern day standards.
Love your theories, fun to think about
I'm Greek and I was taught that the Gods of Olympus created humans to have something to play with not that Titans created them. Idk though.
Edit: Turns out I'm wrong. One son of Titans, Prometheus, did not fight with fellow Titans against Zeus and was spared imprisonment but he was given the task of creating man.
Oh wow crazy
Zeus tried to make humans himself at first but failed every time so Prometheus and his brother Epithemeus helped him I think.
@@urosstankovic3498 to make humans???
@@ipolito3651 ήθελε να έχει κάτι να παίζει (με ή όχι καλό τρόπο).
@@zeropsaft αυτό νόμιζα αλλά όλοι λένε ότι είναι λάθος
The primordial essence is the remains of Ymir the father of all giants who corpses was used to created the 9 realms
Maybe the giants had a vault with this essence that they gave to Tyr who used it to make a device that can terraform land to the user’s desire
Also it would be cool to see Zeus’ corpse being held somewhere and Kratos tells Atreus who his father was as He did not explain in God of war 4
Sup kuba. Love your vids and theories
Dont trust Tyr bro.
YOU DARE QUESTION ME. THE GOD OF WAR!!!!!!!!!
Thanks man! Also you're first 👊
Love the videos ☺️
Tyr being Prometheus makes so much sense
Actually according to the myth (I'm greek btw) humans come after the creation of gods.. But actually there were two titans prometheus and epimetheus that created animals and plants as well.. So human civilization is made by two titans who were ordered by the gods themselves
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Okay.
You are doing really good bud
2:51 about this part, realistically.. Zeus's name literally means "hospitable" (Diazeus) which in Greek means a person who would always, no matter what, welcome in any stranger, and happily show them around. That's what Zeus's name stands for, but as for the God of War universe.. Zeus seems much more strict apparently 😂
Και στην πραγματική μυθολογία τα ιδια εκανε :P
Zeus (also called Dias, or Zeu Pater) just had the meaning of sky father originally, hospitality has nothing to do with his name.
I'm not sure where you got this information but hospitable in Greek (both Ancient and Modern) is "philoxenos" (literally lover of strangers), there's no such word as "diazeus" I can find anywhere.
@@julianfejzo4829 Διαζεύς; I didn't get the information anywhere, rather, my father explained to me once how DiaZephs is the very old version of "philos" and "xenos"
@@deimosok2003 δεν έχω διαβάσει την ιστορία του Δία τι να πω 😂
@@julianfejzo4829 also Zeu Pater I'm very sure that's false- because Pater was an evolved version of paba(dad)(or baba as for today) Pater is a respectful way of pronouncing your father's title, and I'd also why we call Popes, Pater
I was waiting on this, thank you captain📌
No problem, I hope you enjoyed it
Man this is so interesting to think about, hopefully tyr will show us some more crazy magic.
This is amazing, in my opinion the item Tyr has is some sort of scroll. Perhaps the Greeks used it to rebuild after Kratos slaughtered Olympus.
Maybe the item is a sword hilt and a magic item to restore the pantheon, but a blade can come out so it’s able to kill odin
He dude love your vids im a new fan keep up the good work!!😁
Thank you so much! I appreciate the support ❤️
8:48 cat slap now that's a GOD OF WAR right there LoL
I saw your video about what the dwarves did to mimir and i thought maybe they measured him or use that measurement for somehow for realm travel, because in the trailer there were no bifrost. Also since they are giants in the next game maybe there will be the dwarves shop and giants shop and giants will teach you or give you creative essence that tyr used for unity stone.
This was actually a really good theory!
This is a good theory keep the content coming.
Duuude that theory is awesome 😍
I just need to say that the picture of baby Kratos is absolutely amazing.
1 - A 'pantheon' is the collection of gods and other long-lived beings of mystic bent; the realm is all of that plus the mortals and lands.
2 - My theory is that the devastation Kratos unleashed created the modern map of Greece.
3 - Maybe Tyr's gift sped up a natural process of healing; absent the gods, the sun and the waters might behave more like what we understand now.
Your videos are best good job my dear friend 💙❤️
I loveee it, amazing 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Loving this theory and I sincerely hope at least half of it holds true in the game.
One teensy thing, tho... What exactly do you mean when you say "pantheon"? If the Greeks are more focused on technology after the events of GOW 3, I'd find it weird if they needed the actual gods themselves restored... 😅
(Not wanting to be a fly in the ointment here. I'm genuinely confused)
Great video.
These are the videos we needed
The item Tyr's holding in the tapestry kind of reminds me of a Aeolipile.
I feel like that was a great theory I can see it ! I also think that thing resembles the sun and the moon. Maybe it’ll be used to start ragnorok? Can’t wait to find out !
I believe the death of buldar is the start of Ragnorok
Man great theory. I really hope ragnarok happens in reality not in another realm/timeline like u mentioned in ur prediction video.
Great video
When I played GoW, I got the impression that Kratos and Tyr were the same person.
Good job and fun ideas in this video ,,, will wait and see
I'm glad you enjoyed it
@@KaptainKuba Thank you for the hard work you put into your videos 🖒
The sound effect when the cat hit you in the face with its tail was perfect 😂👌
That was all konaruhi's doing lol
Ohhhhh shit!!! Great theory kuba🔥
Really hope we can go to Greece at some point. The other realms are beautifull for sure, but I can't wait to see all of the amazing structures of Greece in such great quality
It just looks like the wooden tower with spinning plates. The ones you throw the axe to unlock chests
Can Kratos be Tyr? You should look on that theory, love your content bro keep it going.
One more point that supports that the item was given after kratos did everything, is that the vase in tyr’s temple had kratos wielding the blades with some buildings destroyed.
Good job 👍
I love this channel
In God of War Ragnarok's trailer, I noticed that Atreus was holding a blue ball with runes etched on it. It actually looks similar to the one in the painting.
Very interesting 👏👏👏
I'm guessing multiple times but definitely sometime in the years Kratos was in servitude to Ares, hence the vase. I don't think it was showing him killing the Gods, rather it depicted him as The Servant of Ares
I do wonder if it’s going to turn out that the Jotnar are in fact the main antagonists in the story and the Aesir are trying to save the world from them.
Faye knew who Kratos was and what he did and manipulated him in an attempt to bring down the Norse pantheon and they’ll find out through Thor when he comes to visit them.
Would be an interesting plot twist but the Jotnar were considered the villain in original mythology and it would turn it back round again.
I have a kinda weird theory about new Greece. What if kratos is seen as a kind of savior. Yes he brought about numerous calamities but what if someone told them what he'd done, how he'd freed them from predestination and that the reason the calamities occurred was because he took out the gods, giving them freedom to build their new world.
The item that Tyr is giving looks like the riddles with runes the things that turn to open the chests
Well whatever it is, I’m pretty sure it’s gonna be important in the next game. Great vid as always
Remember when you said tome works different in each realm. When they finally make it to the jotunheim all the giants are dead. And theorize that they got there right before they get killed. When jotunheim is first seen when mimir shows it. You dont see any dead giants.
It sort of looked like those rotating lock mechanisms you had to throw your axe at to get the horns and apples.
I really like this theory!
Magical problems require magical solutions.
Just....MIND BLOWING !!!!!
Possible theory: I know that I said that Tyr may gave the Greek pantheon some sort of key, but here's my theories
First: I think Tyr gave them a map of the universe so they can use them if the Greece's distraction happens again
Second: It's maybe something that Odin really wants and so Tyr hide it in the Greek pantheon
(That's my best theories, sorry IYI)
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Hi Kaptain Kuba
great video.
what is name of the music (track , creator) in the backround, I tried to shazam it but couldn't
can you assist brother ?
That item look like the thing you have to throw your axe at and it rotates
The colors on the item can mean sun and moon.. a meaning to create balance..
The only thing I know (that I'm going to make a tweet for it, mentioning the allfather) is that mjolnir is going to be the new blade of Olympus for the spartan rage
8:00 I think it's time to investigate more on Greece's new ruler