Who gets PAID the most in Mental Health?
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- Опубліковано 21 чер 2024
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Since I began offering 1-on-1 consultations in June, I have many clients ask about the pay differences for MFTs, Social Workers, Mental Healthe Counselors, etc. Today, I'll share the a hierarchy of who typically gets paid the most but this ranking with greatly vary dependent on factors like setting, location, specialization, etc. Which of these careers are you considering?
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Another amazing video with tons of helpful information (100 thumbs up)
You're the best! Thank you!!
@@StephAnya what the difference between a LPC and a Therapist? I live in California. I want to simply give people advice, whether it’s school problems, boyfriend problems, peer pressureing problems, friendship problems, etc... so I’m other words I wanna listen to my clients problems and give the best advice I can to my clients.. is that considered a therapist? Or a LPC?
Thank you for your video. I would like to say that I know PLENTY of social workers with their masters degree, with about two years of experience, who are not licensed that make between 60k-100k. Within regular jobs like the ones you mentioned (school social work). There is a BIG misconception that social workers don’t make good money. I understand you are just mentioning the average. But still, most people aren’t aware that social workers are getting paid more and more the more we are recognized. And there are soooooo many positions we can work in. This misconception is instilled in grad school as well. When I was getting my MSW, we were told by professors to expect to make around 35-45k. I’ve NEVER made under 55k with my masters. Hope this helps break down this myth!
Also, I live in Virginia, and other SW’s I know that make the higher end salary are in Washington state.
Thanks for sharing your experience! What state are you in?
@@StephAnya Virginia !
Piggybacking on your comment to underscore that there is a big misconception that social workers don't make money. I'm in NYC and a LCSW here charges the same as a Licensed Psychologist (Ph.D). They rent offices in the same suites, and aside from the credentials after their name (LCSW-R vs. Ph.D. vs. Psy.D) there is no discernible difference. School social workers here make an average upwards of $95K. In medical social work, it's upwards of 80K, and in private practice, sky's the limit. I share because in my experience (and from remaining close to my graduating cohort) I can say that the social workers I know ultimately went on to earn 6 figure salaries either as LMSW's or LCSW's in private practice, schools, hospitals or supervisors of agencies. Just offering up another perspective to help dispel some of the myths.
@@MayaTsek yesss 🙌🏽🙌🏽
Graduated from my MSW program May 2022. 2 months post grad I got my first job at $60,000 (salary ). During my intership /school year I intentionally made sure to seek out hospital /medical experience for my intership.
I’m very happy with my pay -especially since I’m technically coming in with less than 3 years of clinical /SW experience-which is mainly from my intership .
MSW? Could you please tell me university name and which course you pursued?
I love the way you’re speaking, so clearly 😍 I can learn English and Therapy at the same time 🤛
Hey Steph Anya! I really appreciate how simple and easy-to-understand you made this. Especially without giving any specific number. Also, regarding your voice, sounds like you had a great time this weekend!!
Glad it was helpful! Yes, a weekend for the books!
Thanks for being genuine and taking out the extra time to make this♥️
Of course!!
Thank you so much for this video! I’m currently in my masters program for counseling, and this is the first time I’ve been able to understand the difference between professions clearly
Thus video was very helpful. Im graduating in June with my Masters in School Counseling and I just applied to the advanced clinical mental health program at LIU.
Congrats!!!! 🎉
This was so helpful!!💕 Thank you!! ☺️
I’m working towards becoming a LMFT! I’m glad I stumbled across your channel! 🤩
Hi. I appreciate this breakdown and the information you shared. I'd like to add from the perspective of someone who is in the psychology profession that according to a 2015 survey conducted by the American Psychological Association about 89% of psychologists in America are clinicians providing treatment for a wide range of issues including the most severe mental health concerns. Additionally, as someone with a background in clinical, organizational, and forensic psychology these added areas in which we can work in the judicial system, or with companies as industrial and/or organizational psychologists dealing with non-psychiatric issues (such as personnel decisions, marketing, etc.) also gives added opportunities for a broad range of income opportunities for psychologists. Keep up the excellent work!
Psychiatric Mental Health Nurse Practitioner (PMHNP) can do everything. They can do the nursing, therapy, and diagnosis of all mental health disorders. Also, prescribe medication in all areas
That's awesome
I’m in GA too and graduating with my MSW from UGA. This video was so informative, thank you!!
Would you happen to know the salary range for LCSWs in private practice located in GA ?
I'm in Florida relocating to GA and this video is really helpful.
I already adore you and this is my first video of yours. You’re awesome! I’m in GA too ☺️
Thanks so much! Fellow Peach 🍑
@@StephAnya ♥️
I’m starting to get nervous about the pay in this profession. I’m towards the end of my MFT masters program but really considering going back to get NP or PA degree which would be a second masters to feel more financially stable. I love psychology I’m hoping to be able to incorporate it.
Great video! I’ll be graduating with a Masters in Clinical and mental health counseling in May. Glad I found your channel
I just got into a program and I’m really worried about salary. Which tract are you thinking?
@@LordPhroz3nGhost 👋🏾 Hey. I don’t understand your question. My program was in clinical mental health counseling.
@@ashleythetherapist7831 I’m doing the same thing. I’m just terrified that I won’t make any money
@@LordPhroz3nGhost I just started my first position and it pays okay. I was able to get higher than the entry level pay luckily. The money comes after the licensure because at that point you can do private practice and charge your own prices and after licensure you can become a supervisor and charge for that. Don't come out of school expecting to make 80k unless you get a part time and/or some side hustles. I think accepting that now will help you.
@@ennoviaed140 I'd rather not announce my salary but from the research I did in the south east where I am (alabama, ga, tn) entry level ( just a masters no associates license) can range between 28k and 45k. You cant get your associates license until you are working for an agency and have a licensing supervisor. After that and with experience you can start making more. Hope this helps.
Thank you for the explanation very clear! 👌👌👌👌100😁
Thank you so much for making these videos!
I am currently getting my BA in Human and Family Development & Women & Gender Studies & i am seriously considering getting my MA is MFT once I'm done with undergrad.
Were you in school when you got married?
I majored in WGS in undergrad! No, I started school after I was married.
Thank you! Like you said, it's a profession so salary does matter to some degree. I'm about to get my bachelor's and I've been really considering what to do next. Thanks for the info!
By far the best explanation of all these different fields that I've found on youtube
Thank you so much for your insight! It can be hard to find comprehensive, useful information in this career field.
I like your voice like that 😂 Great video!
😂😂 I knew you would! 😘♥️
Very helpful. Thank you
So glad!
great video!
It's also worth noting that psychiatrist can only see referred patients by another md (like a gp) most psychologists or any other therapist cannot refer a patient to an md only md's can, also from what I've noticed paediatric psychiatrists earn more then other clinical psychiatrists as the same with psychologists paediatrics get paid more.
I am doing my masters in adolescent counselling and childhood cognitive psychotherapy once complete I'll be able to open a private practice and not only do counselling but also do behavioural therapy for the young which is so cool, in my country there isn't much competition as behavioural therapy isn't widely taken up so I'm excited 😁
Where are you located in?
Hi Steph! Do you think you could do a video series on the DSM? I don’t feel I am extremely knowledgeable on DSM and diagnosing . I’ll be graduating in 3 months and i’m still a bit intimidated by this part of the job . Thanks !
Did you get information on this? What was helpful for me was when studying for mft exam using the tdc they walk you through the dsm and diagnosing. I am not an associate mft and feel like diagnosing is a strong suit of mine
It’s similar in Nevada when working for someone else. I feel it’s similar in private practice after breaking down the therapist fee into all necessary expenses to operate.
Damn, of course the hardest/ most fulfilling professions are paid the least. Thanks America
Very helpful video! Also, a psychiatrist can also be a D.O.
Love your videos! I just wanted to clarify, that an NP is not an RN, though they do have RN credentials and could work as an RN if they wanted, they are actually APRNs - Advanced Practice Registered Nurses with a Master's degree at minimum.
and in many states, Psych NPs can practice independently, functioning quite closely and even making the same diagnoses that Psychiatrists do - and participating in research at the doctorate (DNP) level. NPs are often focused on med management but are also qualified to provide psychotherapy. Just sharing because I spent lots of time and deliberation on whether to take the therapist or NP path. :-) Again, love your channel and I really appreciate that you addressed NPs!
Here in CA NP’s must have an RN license and their licensure is within our states Board of Registered Nursing. They are required to take and pass a board exam for nurse practitioner, whereas Advanced Practice RN’s (APRN’s) typically do not. It depends upon which state you live in but NP’s are required to be RN’s with working experience, as a prerequisite to being accepted into an NP program.
@@jocelynnhunter6383 Same here; but I’m leaning toward counseling/therapist path because the thought of taking chemistry/bio medical courses drained me; which is big if taking the nursing route. My undergrad is in philosophy, so I like the reasoning/theorotical more so and most if not all therapy derived from philosophy.
Hey I just graduated and I’m really not sure what to get my masters in or what tract to take. I love the field but I’m very worried about salary. I live in New Jersey. Any suggestions?
Do you have a video on how many years each position is & what kinda of classes etc does it take to become any of thoses workers ?
Great video, very informative! Are you aware of how transferring a license across state borders work? For example, if I’m licensed in NY LMHC and I move to New Jersey for work, is it a smooth transition?
im in indiana and was literally googling how to transfer my license to new york when i read this comment lmao
I believe there is a number of years regarding portability and once you reach it, you can transfer licensing.
very helpful
Hi! I want to do a masters degree in psychology and I want to know, as a foreigner is it possible for me to find a job abroad with no experience?
I’d love to hear about submitting the bbs form to request AMFT # also any other help on life after graduation would be great as well. I finished my program yesterday and will be graduating within the next two weeks. I’m a bit overwhelmed to be honest 😅 its all so new and not much help exist out there
Actually, I do regular therapy as a psychiatry resident and plan to do so in my practice.
@steph
Hi thank you for all this information.
I'm looking into earning an MSW in hopes to become an LCSW/therapist. However , I do not want to work in direct action social work. Therefore , I’m lost if i should choose between MFT or MSW. I heard i should choose MSW because i can practice therapy (have all the benefits of MFT ) and still have other avenues to look into . Also , people told me LCSW could possibly make more than LMFT . However , I do not know if that is true ?
Hi Dannette! Social workers do have more settings that they can work in because they can do things like residential work for example. Employment opportunity is highly dependent on location, so if you’re hearing that from people in your community it’s likely true. Research counseling jobs and see what credentials they’re looking for in your community to see if LCSW comes up more often.
I have an LCSW, it is a very versatile degree.
Psych RN, 2 years experience, Phila suburbs, $45/hr...made over $110 K last year
what is a mental health proffesional or office or client or office
Would it be possible to get a masters in clinical mental health counseling and from there go on to become a psychiatrist?
Future PMHNP here! I graduate July 2022. Woohoo....We all are important to treat the whole client.
I have a bachelors in psychology would I be able to pursue PMHNP?
Hey! I'm currently in grad school for Mental Health Counseling. How did you take notes during your program? Were you a hand note person or were you a digital note person when it came to retaining and remembering content. How did you do it?
Hi I'm in grad school too, note taking is the best vs electronic imo. I also write/highlight and underline in my textbooks! How many more years do u have and what will ur degree be in?
In grad school I took hand notes and I sectioned everything by topic, I used color coded tab markers and dividers in my binder and text books. I used flash cards for studying too! Breaking my material down by topic helped a lot. I also used colored pens too and highlighters! I know that last tip seems a bit weird lol, but the colors helped keep my attention! I know you asked Ms. Steph, but I hope this helps! Fellow therapist here. ♥️
@@BlessedByTheeMostHigh Hey!! Thank you so much! Let me subscribe to your channel love a melanated therapist!!! Question when you say topics? Can you give an example. Also did you have to take the CPCE upon Graduation? Do you have an email so we can connect?
I do have question? I know this video is 3yrs old but what do you think about Masters in Clinical Mental Health Counseling ? I am torn betweeen that and Masters in Social Work
Psych NP can practice independently in most states. And function the same as a psychiatrist.
They do not. Half the time I am getting emails to "collaborate or supervise" NPs. Not the same education and not the same thing. No matter how many times you say it, it is not true.
How do you become a nurse practitioner? Do you need to be an RN already?
35k is sooo low omg. I’m definitely getting my masters
Mood
Thats the south way lower pay than out here in cali
@@gwenhewitt9710 do you know in Cali to be a Mental Health Counselor you have to have a AS degree or BA?
It’s much higher here in Massachusetts
@@shayrobinson7036 In CA you have to have at least a master's degree
Good information enjoyed it
Glad you liked it!
My brother works for the Veterans Affairs Hospital. I hear that is one of the best for salary
Does it matter what we get in for our bachelors? I want to get my bachelors in education rather then psychology
It does not matter
I am a LPC, I thought in your video you were going to explain within LPC, LMFT and what area of work is the highest paid within our professions…
My end goal is to get my PSY.D . I have a bachelors in psychology but I don’t know the route to take for masters . My grandma is saying I should get a msw but I told her most people who get a msw get a LCSW not psyD.
Try looking for a PsyD program that offers masters on the way, not sure if they do that but the PhD route does !
Can someone with a master degree in public health biotechnology enter the field of psychiatrists, if yes how can one do it cause am currently interested in psychiatrists
You had said that most of the work a Psychologist does (has Psy D or PhD) is psychological assessments or research but they can also do counseling psychology on the side. Does most of the work end up being psychological assessments/research because doing those jobs pay better? I am more interested in providing therapy than doing assessments/research but in order to open more opportunities up I would pursue being a psychologist. However, I would want more of my work to be providing therapy instead of doing assessments and research.
Sorry for the confusion. They definitely do psychotherapy. The assessments are just something that they can do in addition that many others cannot! You can absolutely focus on providing therapy.
@@StephAnya thanks so much for getting back to me!
Of course! I’d hate to deter you from that great option.
Do psychiatrists do psychotherapy?
@@dontknow7796 psychiatrists these days usually do more of med checks. Med checks consist of explaining different medications to patients and make sure the medication is working for the patient. The reason being is because psychiatrists are allowed to prescribe medications while 99% of the other medical health professionals can not. Usually psychologists and other master level clinicians do psychotherapy. Psychiatrists can do some psychotherapy it’s just not as common due to what Heath insurance companies are willing to pay.
I really wanted to be a therapist, why are they so low on the list?? They're the ones that deal with the emotionally taxing side of things. Maybe I'll be an NP or a psychiatrist.
I’ve really been contemplating the pay for this profession. It doesn’t make sense to me to be in school so long and get paid at the low end of salary. I love psychology and have always had a passion in it but starting to give up on the licensed practical nurse counselor title. Leaning now more towards NP either for psych or for mental health just because I still want to be part of that community and still give therapy but still make decent amount of money. Anyone have any advice?? I feel like a broken record player trying to figure out my career.
Hi! to become an NP for psych/mental health do you know if it is a lot of science based courses?
@@hallemarinaccio8496 yes! There’s a lot of sciences like chem !
@@hallemarinaccio8496 I know you have to be a nurse first ): like Bsn and work a few years in the nursing too. That’s the only thing holding me back from going that route.
In every state, the title of Psychologist is a protected title. You can't use it until you're licensed as a Psychologist. So the Doctorate alone is not enough.
What is the income of psychologists with a doctorate in New York based on your observations and experiences?
Expect to start around 65K. The ceiling is about 110K with years of experience.
Thanks for the information. I just started grad school this summer. I feel like giving up because I heard that after getting my MASTERS, they still want you do get 2 trs of clinical hrs in order to be fully licensed in NC. I am too old to be lagging my time. What if I don't pass? But, this MASTERS contains a school track too. I am afraid school counselors doesn't get paid enough. What do you think I should do? Give or its it worth all the student loan debt and get nowhere? Thanks!
Keep going your already going in the right direction don’t give up now keep going you got this!!!!
The years are going to pass anyways. You might as well just do it. I thought the same thing. I’m 22 and just started school unlike many of my high school classmates who went straight from high school. I’m going to be in school for the next seven years
@@CeCe-os3ul that's good! Dud you say you are in school for 7 yrs? Is thar just being in the in Grad program?
@@godness7770 I just started college and I’m going to be a psychiatric nurse practitioner so I can practice therapy this way and it takes a total of 6-7 years
@@CeCe-os3ul awesome 👌 I'm super proud of you! GOOD luck 👍 I just had to drop my classes this summer because my dad just passed and other things. I hope to go back. If not, then I will go for something else.
How much do private practice therapists actually pocket from a session? For example, if a client pays $200, how much does the therapist earn in income, after business costs like office time/space?
Rule of thumb is that net vs gross in private practice is about 50%.
Depends on the therapist overhead, how much they charge per session, clients per week. In my office therapist make upwards of 3500 a week in California. That’s cash pay clients and insurance.
I'm curious, are there any jobs for those with just bachelors in psychology then? Great video!
Typically a bachelor's in psychology isn't considered a terminal degree/professional degree. There are some places that will hire at the bachelor's level in psych.. (for example some drug/alcohol counseling programs). If you're considering getting a bachelor's, a BSW (Bachelor's of Social Work) is a good choice. BSW's can achieve some level of licensure in most states, and can usually work in a variety of settings right after graduation. Also BSW's can transfer a huge amount of credits towards their MSW, shortening the time to get the masters. If I had to do it all over again, I'd get a BSW then an MSW over a BA then Masters in Counseling.
@@DBoyTommie thank you!
I am interested in being apart of the Mental Health industry but I don’t know where to start. I tried doing my own research but i am honestly lost.
Join the army as a behavioral health specialist 68x. It's the best route
Become an MHT at a hospital
can you practice psychological assessment and testing with a master's degree in psychology?
Usually not, because a Master's in Psychology is usually not license eligible.
Hay quá
I went the nurse practitioner route to be a therapist. I can do therapy as an NP. And it gives me more flexibility in what I can do. I’m still in school.
I think I’m going to go this route too
Np rarely do therapy. I work in a hospital and through psychiatric Np is about pills pills pills
Online (Zip recruiter) states the average LMFT is paid $78,000 where I'm from Pennsylvania. Observations on this?
I would strongly disagree with this pyramid. From personal experience seeing LPCC they make more money sometimes than Psy D practitioners. It really depends how you run your private practice.
Yes, as I said private practice is a whole different ball game. There’s no way to make an accurate funnel when it comes to that.
@@StephAnyaactually there is…
The south pay sucks you make much more in cali
35 my Gawd no. I make more than that in social services
Hi! What state are you in?
same.. i make 52 in DC. As a case manager
Seems incredibly low for a master's level clinician. I haven't heard of anything below $65k, that could be the state that I'm in.
@@saundracohen4032 exactly And 2 years later, I'm an LMSW. And I'm doing d*** good. She might need to reevaluate
I live in California, I want to be a therapist, I want to give advice and listen to people’s problems... and I’ll fix it by giving them advice... is that a therapist? Or is that a LPC? what’s the difference between a LPC and a therapist? @Steph Anya, MFT
I know it can all be so confusing. You can do that as both a therapist and LPC! Counselor and therapist can be somewhat interchangeable when it comes to certain jobs. In this case, if you want to know the specifics of what it means to be an MFT, check out my “What is Marriage & Family Therapy?” video!
Understand it is not advice but evidence based practice
Hey! Join us! :) I was about to type this as well. Therapy or counseling is not about giving advice. It's about guiding a client through psychologically and/ or scientifically based methods/ theories to work through healing- setting goals, developing treatment plans, etc.
@@neya292 yeah, it’s all of that. Giving clients advice, guiding them, having them realize what they need to do, helping them with their psychological problems, mental problems etc. it’s all of that. Lol
PMHNP student at Vanderbilt. Going to correct you a bit. We have the same scope of practice as a psychiatrist and are trained across the lifespan to assess, diagnose and prescribe for all mental illnesses including bipolar and schizophrenia not just "anxiety and depression". It is also in our scope of practice to perform psychotherapy and provide coping skills to clients but most do focus on medication management. We also conduct and contribute to current evidence based practice research just like psychiatrists. Many have Doctorate in Nursing Practice degrees and can also refer to themselves as "doctor" if we have the DNP title. If doing so it is just important to clarify license such as physician (psychiatrist), PMHNP, or psychologist. We can have our own private practice in most states and are employed in a variety of settings including inpatient psych hospitals with more acute patients.
@ Steph I am a LPN and I am finishing my Masters degree in counseling. I keep getting low pay. What is a good route to go in counseling.I am doing my minor in Marriage and Family Therapy. I had a few interviews for addiction counselors but very low pay for my field in Illinois. Considering going back to Arizona.
I am also a nurse looking to get into counseling and therapy. Wondering how it's been since your comment. I see it's been 5 months since u posted your comment.
@@lotusflower21 I am doing other things as well. What are your degree levels . Graduate Levels.Undergraduate Levels.I am soon to be working on my Psy D in the fall. Looking for a teacher level job until I finish my degree.
Linda do you mind me asking if you went to ASU? I live in Arizona and was interested in going back to school in the same field as you
@@lindahall2653 I am a registered nurse ADN and working as that at the moment. Just enrolled to finish my bachelor's degree but in psych this time.
@@lotusflower21 I see where are you located? I think you should pursue BSN and go into psych nursing. You get paid about 36-50 hourly with a BSN. A Bachelor in psych probably would only lead back to you working as a nurse. Not sure if what you are planning to do with a nursing degree and a psych degree. Need more info. You will need to further educate yourself with a Master degree perhaps in nursing . If you want to make more money.
So basically, the professions that can push pills and keep big pharma in business are the ones that will be more rewarded financially.
Exactly…this healthcare system is crazy…needs a change of heart tbh
That’s what is sounds like
Just note..... This all is wirhin rhe cinrext if beinf HIRED doe a job... not building your own business.
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