American Reacts to Norwegian Taboos (Socially Unacceptable Behaviors)
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- America is certainly full of taboos, or behaviors that are considered unusual/forbidden. Taboos come in a large variety an can range from serious to funny, which is exactly why I am very interested to learn about Norwegian taboos for the first time. If you enjoyed the video feel free to leave a comment, like, or subscribe for more!
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Regarding feelings: In Norway "How are you doing?" will often be answered honestly
Yeah, but it depends. If you answer that with "I am very worried because the doctors says that I have 50% chance of surviving my cancer", that would throw most people off. You can answer honestly as long as it's about small things, like "Oh, I'm a bit stressed now because it's so busy at work".
@@zaph1rax Before I got my transplant I would say "Except for being terminally ill, I'm fine". It was a good way to avoid further conversation, since people didn't know how to respond to that.
I feel like it's worth mentioning that this is a cultural aspect that grew more extreme going into the 21st century; it was a lot more common to just brush questions like that off with a generic answer back in the 20th century. However, at some point having the courage to talk openly about health issues became an encouraged method to spread solidarity and understanding about such issues, while at the same time the exposure to people who put up glorified facades on social media created a certain negative impression that helped cultivate the Jante law further. Thus, health simply became a lesser taboo than pretense by a large margin. We still have ways to go with mental health in that regard, but our culture have only relatively recently evolved in this direction.
@@ShadowTani Mental health is still a long ways from people being comfortable with it. I've had ptsd since afghanistan, its leaning closer to a decade since then soon. The stigma is an actual barrier to getting help, i've had 3 different contacts at NAV through the years, i now got assigned one that specializes on veterans finally, after 7 years of being asked "When are you getting back to work?" when i often get problems just going to a crowded store. Only 2 years ago did i get a psychiatrist, and those recommendations written as a result are being completely ignored by NAV even though the psychiatrist has put it in writing that it would only lead to adverse effects and worsening the condition. They still insist, they have "forms that must be followed."
So now it's lawyers, veteran organisations, and lots of stress. And i can't refuse - if i don't follow their program, even though professionals warn me not to, i will lose all further financial support and default my case to close. Not exactly the help i wanted.
The situation must be so much worse for people with trauma or other issues from mental health who don't have something as visible as a war to show to,
so keep everyone in mind ofcourse, but all i can see in our mental healthcare is broken promises and ignored advice.
@@zaph1rax well normally you'd say something along the lines of "there's a lot going on in my life right now so I'm not really doing very good right now" without dumping your medical info on them. You lay the ground mood. Then if they ask follow up questions about why you can delve into the why's of your situation.
I haven’t read all the comments so I don’t know if this have been mentioned, but one of the biggest differences I have noticed is that it seem like it’s ok to go after a man based on his financial status in America. That’s a big taboo in Norway.
You will be considered a gold digger if you openly go after a man/woman just because he/she is rich.
Used to be that way here in America, it most definitely was frowned upon once upon a time
After the kardashian plague. Everything changed
Norwegian here:
The guy who talked about the bus, was referencing Corona, and sitting next to someone on the bus. In Norway we will take a set of double-seats for ourselves as long as there are more double-seats available. Once there's one person in each double-seat people will sit next to each other, but we do appreciate if you ask if you can sit next to us before sitting down. Some people will want to talk to you, others won't.
Bragging in Norway is somewhat okay, but thinking you're better than others and threating people like they should look up to you for what you've achieved insn't, you should treat other people like your equal.
"you should treat other people like your equal."
Anders Behring Breivik...
I have trouble with this "everyone should be treated blablabla", no, we treat bad people like bad people and put them in jail or punish them otherwise, and then we treat good people(the majority of people on the planet) like good people.
@@OriginalPuro Talk about taking things out of context...What I'm saying is basically don't be a prick because you have more money or a nicer car than other people and so on. It's frowned upon in Norway.
Of course criminals, should be put away and bad people should be treated like bad people....
@@OriginalPuro Actually, Fjotolf Hansens political ideas seem pretty similar to yours.
It's a great idea if the intention is to make things worse.
Information for those trying to learn Norwegian.
If the subtitle display three lines: the first is an (unofficial) approximation of their dialect. The middle line is standard Witten Norwegian Bokmål.
If the subtitle display two lines: they speak close to Bokmål, and there is not an extra line for dialect.
Those with two line subtitle probably resemble how you want to learn the pronunciation, unless you want to learn a specific local dialect
In this video I think most, if not all, dialects were from Trondheim and surrounding, or close to standard Bokmål.
Thinking you're good at something, or that you are something, or especially that you're better than someone else, that goes against the "law of Jante" (Janteloven)
Just to clarify, "Janteloven" is just a cultural expectation, not a law per se :)
One thing that might be surprising and different when it comes to religion in Norway VS America is that: while Norway is officially a ''Christian'' country, there are very few ''actual'' Christian religious people in Norway. In Norway, Christian traditions like baptism, confirmation, Easter, and ''christian'' connection to Christmas and otherwise are mostly out of traditional reasons rather than religious ones. I guess you can say Christianity is the ''default'' religion of Norway, while we indeed have people who are religious and in belief, especially in the ''Bible Belt'' of Norway, the majority of the population is either, ''Eh.. I don't know if I believe in christianity or not, I could go either way'', or they straight up doesn't think about Christianity or religion at all or that much, and it's simply a ''traditional'' thing. Meanwhile, alot of Americans are devoted Christians and really into their belief, they go to Church, they pray, they have a local religious community around, etc.
Norway is officially a secular country since 2012. But yes, many traditions are still rooted in christianity, but on a superficial level. Very few are really truly religious.
I think a (partly) free education works like a vaccine against fairy tales..
I'll share this niche "taboo" - Veterans and war.
(In norway, "Veteran" only applies to those deployed abroad)
Norway has over 100.000 veterans that have actively served abroad in war, quite a chunk of our population.
The goverment and armed forces are trying desperately to improve their care for veterans,
but the taboo of facing what that has involved is still sore for many.
Everyone wants to take care of our vets, but nobody wants to face and treat the problems we deal with.
Insomnia,depression,traumatic memories, injuries, flashbacks and anxiety, people so weighed down by PTSD that they struggle to function even in their own apartment.
Including myself. The taboo comes from sharing less than pleasant stories. We were directly told when returning to norway "Put a positive spin on your experiences,for the sake of those around you. Tell your stories once to each person, more will make them fed up with you. If you start struggling, reach out."
I'll tell you honest from my own experiences, we're pretty terrible at caring for our veterans.
I'm 7 years deep in with crippling PTSD (cant work, cant socialize) and only 2 years ago did i get a psychiatrist - and only this year has my social services contact finally realised that im in no state to go back to the army.
All that said, i realise im lucky to be Norwegian. Anywhere else with my problems, i would have been dead or homeless.
It'll get better, but boy does it take time...
Love your candidness and hate that you have PTSD. I haven't been in INTOPS myself but my dad was and still has severe issues because of it. He was in UNIFIL back in 88-90. That being said, your 300k number is off, according to the government we've had 120k since 1947. Still, something needs to be done. My dad sure didn't get much help, if anything. My colleagues who have been in INTOPS usually say it's better nowadays but 7 years is 7 years too much. Best of luck to you, dude.
@@Kraakesolv I talked to a few UN vets that were in Libanon like your father the few times i've managed to get a stay at the Bærheia veteran home, a friend of my own father especially - it seemed to me they had a very rough go of it. Very sorry to hear he didn't get much help. It should have been there for him from the start, and it should have been there for the rest of your family too. Considering my own siblings, i see it's definately no cakewalk to be next of kin to a veteran either. A lot of worrying. Thank you for correcting me on the number, i must have confused it with some other number that lives in my head on the subject and i was way off! Takk også for støtten 💛
@@zarahandrahilde9554 Når som helst, kompis. Krysser fingrene for at det går rette veien og du får hjelpen du trenger. Makkeren min var tidligere TMBN og vi hadde mange lange samtaler om sånt mens vi satt OP i mørke nattestimer. Det er mye grums som må ut. Stå på 🤜💥🤛 ❤️🔥
Håper du finner noen å snakke med. Som du kan snakke med om vanskelige ting. Som @Kraakesolv sier, er det viktig å snakke med noen om det som er oppkopet og som vanlige folk ikke griper. Lykke til.
If you're struggling financially, it's a taboo to talk about that. Everyone want's to appear like they are doing well, even when they're not. It's a taboo to talk about terminal illness. But the first thing I thought about when reading the title of this video was "It's a taboo to wear shoes indoor when you visit friends and family".
what, not in y circle it's not taboo to talk about poor finances or health.
thats mostly for boomers with the finances.
14:50: Haha, no,no, you misunderstood! He said that if you're walking with your wife and you see a fine woman, you should not discuss that with your wife. :)
They didn't mention the biggest taboo of all, which is to express negative emotions in public. Being angry in public is EXTREMELY taboo. Being annoyed at someone you don't know (such as public servant) is taboo. Generally, strong displays of any kind of negative emotions are considered unacceptable, and very strong displays of positive emotions is also slighty frowned upon.
Like, be polite, respect other people's personal space and don't bother anyone with your drama in public and you're good.
The whole notion of not thinking you are something, being humble stems from Janteloven.
No, it is not taboo to talk about politics in Norway. Of course not, we live in a real democracy.
On the surface you are right, but in the real world you are wrong. Speaking your mind comes at a big, personal cost if you don't follow the sheep.
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For me you don't talk about issues you have in your lovelife, religion or finances. You don't ask how much money prople have or how much things cost.
"Janteloven" - Law of Jante
The racism, lgbt, politics and religion are things i would think are sensitive subjects. Its okay if it is positive but we dont appreciate rude and unsupported and rude comments that talk down on others. Its frowned upon to talk negatively about those kinda subjects if not a taboo it is definitely isn’t encouraged as we want to be a kind and welcoming country.
2:40 I wouldn't mind someone sitting next to me as long as:
1) They don't smoke (ie stink)
2) they don't stink for other reasons than smoking
3) They don't take up all of their seat and hafl of mine.
I'd love someone to sit next to me if:
They smell good and they're good looking :D
“To be someone”
We approve and appreciate confidence, we just dont approve of arrogance and asshats👌🏻😂
I am Norwegian, and this was strange, because no one mentioned the biggest one: Personal space. In our culture, you do NOT come physically to close to an individual you don´t know personally. We are so reluctant to that kind of closeness that on a bus, you might sometimes see people standing, even though there are available seats. In fact, covid was nightmare for us, with the 6-foot-rule, we couldn´t wait till it was over, so we could back to our regular 15 feet. In other words: Stay away.
Yeah, also have you noticed how *all* of our interaction happens in framed situations?
Like you kind of have to have a pretext to talk to someone.
And friends in one context rarely overlaps with another one?
And you don't invite people into something you've been invited to etc?
@@Luredreier It’s a very serious step to take - to actually talk to someone. In stead of just slightly lifting your hand and mime «hi» from 50 meters away.
LMAO.
@@michinwaygook3684 What's so funny?
Many Norwegians would feel awkward and find it uncomfortable to be called a hero.
In the US, well... Let's just say Janteloven is not in effect "over there." 😉
The bus-seat thing and the fact that we seem standoffish is not (mainly) because we want privacy, but because we don't want to disrespect your privacy. Norwegians are social animals like everyone else. Some of us just need a kick in the butt to get started.
"To think you're something" is kind of funny. Check out a skier called Petter Northug.
then contrast him with Bjørn Dæhlie and spot the difference xD
It is a taboo to have political orientations that is out of the ordinary. But at the same time it is also a taboo to dispute freedom of speech!
Just. Those of us who have different opinions than what the media prescribes are social outcasts in society if we express our opinions. Some of us do it anyway, because we believe in freedom of speech. I think most people who say they value freedom of speech really don't care. They don't understand why it is the mother of all freedoms.
svart = black = blakk and so on... imported problems are tabu
some of the pigeons in norwegian towns and cities are basically tame.. people will feed them and people usually behave around them, so they are not afraid of people alot of the time.
bird broke the taboo of being too close to people.
It's ok, they're not human. 👌
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Tabu in Norway... brag about your Tesla🤣
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I agree with all of them in this video, but i would say that it was more taboo to talk about these topics in the past. But now you have all these social media platforms where these topics are discussed almost each day i would say. So it has been more normal to do so. But you dont talk about it with strangers you meet on the streets
Non-Norwegian living in Norway here. From my experience in Norway, there are definitely instances of day-to-day racism in Norway, but it takes on a very soft form. When Norwegians wanna be condescending towards you in general, it almost sounds nice, because of how soft-spoken they get. It's not like the US, where racists will just call a black person the n-word with a VERY hard R.
Brash/arrogant behaviour is definitely "taboo" :) Well it's not taboo it's just that nobody likes someone who think they're all great and mighty.
Another similar thing/"taboo" is religion, and to a lesser extent political affiliation. Nobody cares what you believe in or do not believe in, that's only for yourself to decide :) That's the biggest cultural clash with USA that I can think of.
In international fora (or amongst closest friends) like this, it's much more laidback for me for instance to reiterate how (at the very least "hard") atheists are just as faith driven as christians/others, if not more, and more zealous, abrasive and even delusional in some cases. So I personally don't want to be boxed in with any form of description really, nor listen to either side or someone trying to tell me what I am. I just don't care as long as it's not detrimental to other people and their well being :) It's just better left alone. This is just my opinion and I would never discuss this with random people in person.
Other than that, I can't think of much. Except lately, American trends have spilled over into Scandinavia and now I often feel "racist" for having to think about what to say/LITERALLY treating people of certain groups _DIFFERENTLY_ because "everyone" says "no you have to treat them like this instead". While normally I couldn't give less of a f* about the tint of someone's skin lol.
I understand _some_ people experience genuine racism and that all this therefore is to preemptively protect these people against having their feelings hurt but I personally don't know if this makes anything better and I wish I could just not think about how anyone looks and just judge people from their persona instead.
Norway is a weather-bitten land so we had to be tougher, hence less talk about feelings.
The younger generation are weaker and they have "mental issues", it's just them being weak, spoiled, ignorant and entitled, everything is "difficult" or "stressful" to them, but the 30+ people are cool calm and collected, feelings don't really matter, reality does.
Talking about politics and religion is definitely not taboo, that's strange to hear a fellow Norwegian say.
It must depend on age, because I am 35 and there are no taboos..
I never ever talk about politics with my family, that feels wrong. Maybe not in family, but in school and with friends and such i find religion to be kinda taboo to talk about. A large amount of people are atheists, so having a different opinion about religion might have you fearing judgement. Also with topics regarding religion and politics together
You’re lucky. My parents are both professors in political science. Dear God. There is seldom a time when we don’t talk politics. It’s exhausting.
Being overly confident in competitions is a bit taboo in Norway. An American participating in an Olympic competition would say the gold medal is mine. The rest of you have to fight for second.
A Norwegian athlete being the favorite would say he hopes to become top 10 and dreaming about a medal. Saying you're expecting to win will let people think you're full of yourself.
Most of these ppl, are the ''common man''. I find it to be at least as many who are very open, and don't care at all about taboos and such. At least people i've been around. My family is not like that. They're very old-school, ''dont talk about it''. I find many at my age (around 30) breaking out of the norm, not afraid to be themselves and expressing they're meaning.
Think about it. For those elderly men. They come from a time where it was very more stricter then today. So for them, today's society is as free as it can be, at least compared to what they grew up with, its incomparable. But us, younger. 30-ish and younger, we see what wrong today, or what could be even better. The details that we still need to work on, and optimize.
When this guy said to think that you are something, I emidietly thought of something called "janteloven". It's seen as typical Norwegian, it's a list of norms, but it's also a gross exaduration of our actual beliefs.
Beside what we all know as hate speech (Racism, homophobia etc) I can only think of one thing that is taboo: Bragging. You are a jerk if you brag. But that's all part of the Jante law which is deeply engrained in Scandinavian society in general. We, the masses, are always more important than you the person and if you say or do anything to promote yourself you wont make a lot of friends. Circle jerks do exist here as well though and they only have each other to talk to. No actual friends.
People in Norway talk a lot about politics after the new government took over. Our new Prime Minister is the most unpopular in decades. His party has less than 15 percent support from the people. We have money problems here now. Fuel, electricity and food has risen so much that many people cannot afford to live. They say a lot, but do very little. This is the worst period of my 47 years of life here. I don't think that people on the street would have said the same about Norway today.
You need to check out janteloven. It is impacting the norwegian behavior and way of thinking. The bragging about oneself,think you are something is less pronominent now than before. A lot less. I think you will learn a lot by checking into that. Where you are from, your social community, how your friends or family relations and culture sets the standard. Some here say one cant talk about religion , I was a bit confused. Everywhere I go, meet and see more or less people certenly do. And sometimes the best solution is to agree on that we do not agree and leave it to that. Then the topic will not be adressed again. A general rule is sexual life is keept to friends and that to a moderate level. With family it is no go. Even with siblings it can be a bit of a strech. However it all differs. Also there is difference between the countryside and the city. Regions with more than average religious people will of course be very different that to the common norwegian. You saw a video from Trondheim, in trøndelag. I am from Trondheim. In my experience we are a bit more feisty and out there than for examle people from the souther parts. The further north you go the more outgoing and free of speech poeple become. Btw check out norther norwegian swearing. Hehe. :) Also age differs for what one can talk about.
7:25 This entire segment is correct
17:20 Also correct assessment :) (At least from all that I know, being 30+. And yes for instance several of my friends go back since I had barely started school.)
It's also taboo telling people how successful you are and how much money you make. If you do people would think you like to brag.
The only taboo I can think of on top of my head is talking or bragging of your wealth/earn/money, that's an big one, mostly gonna get looked down on if you do so, most Norwegians don't like to talk about their wealth
It is important to note that when it comes to politics and sexuality and other "hot topics" like that, Norwegians tend to mean the extreme outer points of opinions. There are political conversations everywhere all day, in most levels of society. But voicing a far left or far right opinion (what Americans would call extreme opinions) is taboo.
6:20 I remember being thought in kindergarden that you should not brag and that you are not better than others. Norway calls that «janteloven», don’t brag law basically
My Norwegian friend who has lived around Americans a lot, and married one, said exerting your individualism can get you labelled as arrogant in Norway. It can be viewed as thinking you are better.
Noo but its more taboo for people that are 40+ to talk about politics. The young generation learn alot from america. Politics between younger people are more normal.
5:27 my first thought was "Jantelagen / Janteloven" (Law of Jante)
I would want religion and politics to be more open in discussion in Norway to be honest. Since when did it become abnornal to have a talk with someone and simply agree to disagree. It doesnt have to be a heated discussion. Id rather talk with people having different opinions rather than to scream in an echo chamber
For me it’s religion and politics which are most tabu in Norway,
I wouldn’t say that talking about politics is taboo, but we sometimes avoid it to avoid starting an argument
I am confused to how you settled on this theme to be "your thing" for your channel
Norwegian here. You are very good at understanding what we mean in the videoes. ❤
Pidgeons and some other birds in Trondheim are VERY tame.
ua-cam.com/video/NZwqrJXoRng/v-deo.html Sámi assimilation used to be taboo, and still is in the north
18:15 When birds want to sit on your arm they must be an amazing person
It is tabu to say that your are pore in Norway. Everyone wants to makes it .
Freedom to speach, dont swear in the church, and watch your mouth
A taboo in Norway is acknowledging our country's and history's faults. In school, we learn next to nothing about the bad things that Norway has done or is doing. Everything is very hush-hush. Norwegians are very proud of all the good parts, but very rarely talk about, or even know about the bad things.
And i dont care...free speaking is best :)
Janteloven is a Scandinavian thing
Its piss easy.. say hello. Not that hard
Law of Jante
Taboo does not have to be forbidden.
@14:39 the way I understood it, he was saying you would be able to talk to your wife about everything exept from if you see a lady (maybe someone he thought was fine looking) on the streets.
In the abstract, I think you can talk to Norwegians about virtually anything. The taboos are connected to _how, when,_ and _where,_ rather than to the topic. Of course, some topics are more incendiary than others; that's universal and inevitable. However, things like politics and religion are generally _less so_ in Norway, than in most other places. Far left and far wright can have civilized discussions, and friendly relationships. The same with Muslims, Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.; a conversation about religion won't result in yelling or lasting acrimony. The only things that can get you completely ostracized, are very extreme, such as classical racism (belief in innate biological differences that affect human worth). Step in that, though, and all bets are off.
If it's specific and personal, there's a heavy taboo, mainly connected to _who_ you're talking to. There needs to be a close, personal relationship, or it needs to be directly relevant to an unavoidable topic (e.g. talking to your m.d. about an STD, to your boss about a conflict with a co-worker, a host about your food allergies). There's an exception for when you and your company are extremely drunk, in which case everyone will have forgotten it in the morning, either because of the alcohol or on purpose. Importantly, "a little drunk" won't do it; you need to be approaching death from acute alcohol poisoning, which a significant number of Norwegians do every Saturday night.
The idea that it's taboo to "think that you're something" in Norway, is very common among people who think they're exceptional, but actually aren't, and need an explanation for why they keep failing at things, and have become a running joke among all who know them. What you're not allowed to do, is express the belief that you're more valuable and deserving of consideration than others. You'll also run into trouble if you blame social equality for your own failures; "if only I hadn't been held back by the mediocre rabble, I would've achieved greatness". Baseless or irrelevant bragging will result in scorn. If, on the other hand, you're a damn good engineer, confidence in your own abilities is accepted, when expressed in circumstances where they're relevant; even somewhat excessive confidence is accepted. It won't win you anything, but also won't lose you anything. Humility might win you a lot, but humility being valued isn't the same as confidence being taboo.
The fact that expressing emotions is frowned upon in Norway, needs to be seen in the context of our Viking history. When berserkers stopped expressing their emotions, things calmed down, considerably. Others might say we should instead have directed them towards more healthy, less deadly forms of expression. However, berserkers are extremely resilient to art therapy, and, at some point, you simply run out of art therapists.
You've such an expressive face. I can't stop watching your videos just for that ♡
About politics, religion, finances and feelings, it's all about that personal space. You don't share personal stuff to random people. Unfortunately the American style of polarizing politics is infecting our culture though. I really wish that didn't happen.
One thing that is taboo and not mentioned here, and I belive this is relevant in every corner in the world, people that have done time (been in prison). Not necessarily hard time (murder and so on), but any kind really. You can have a harder time finding work, but this is mostly not a big issue anymore. You might not tell family, but some close friends.
You and me should make a collaboration video. I’m born and raised in Norway, and I have the UA-cam channel Maritha’s history corner 😊
Taboos are very individual. Speaking about feelings have never been a problem among my friends - as an example. What you earn at work, how ever, is seldom mentioned. If it's little you want to hide it, and if it's a lot you don't want to brag. Being humble is extremely important in Norway. Many do not say what political party they vote for either. And if you in any way have opinions that are concidered not PC, you may be careful as well. This could be worries about religious and cultural differences, and fear of it being concidered racism. You are very likely to be open as LGBT at a very early age, so this part is not a huge problem in general any more.
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@10:30 I've noticed some American Twitch streamers get very offended if you mention they got a lot of subs and make a lot of money.
In Norway your income and wealth is on public record and anyone can log in and look at it. You do get notified if someone is looking at your info and who did it.
I can be a bit misleading though as the wealth and income numbers are net values, so after deductions for loans and so on. So som very rich people might appear to have zero income or wealth.
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I think that a lot of them where unaware of many taboos we have that's more subconscious to us then anything.
For instance it's a taboo to talk to people without a pretext of some kind or other.
It doesn't necessarily have to be a good one, just *something*.
Would Gordon Ramsay approve of that pidgeon ??
You should do a video on the "unwritten/official law" that is a huge basis of our culture - Janteloven.
Im norwegian😅 jeg er fra Norge
Not a taboo, but Norwegians always says "takk for maten" t(hank you for the food) after dinner, it's so ingrained in me I even say it when I eat dinner alone, and it's viewed as rude not to say it wjen you have dinner at someones house
Tyler?
Re finances: One thing about it that's a bit strange is that yeah talking about money is taboo ... but how much you pay in taxes etc is public information (not anonymous though)
Taboo is a very loaded word. I feel that nowadays celebrities and common people expose a lot of themselves. On the other hand, why would not we talk about sensitive stuff with strangers ? To me it seems easier than to someone part of my social circle or family. Both parties remain anonymous.
I'm Norwegian, and I have two things that are taboo that I think are true:
1. That we should stop having kids. It's the solution to many global issues, but politically and socially motherhood and having kids is still considered the most amazing thing you can do. In reality there's many disadvantages to having kids.
2. That we don't have free will, in the sense that we couldn't have done things differently. People really don't want to hear that, but usually they can't provide any good evidence for free will.
i agree people expect you to be responsible and in control yeah..
norway is prolly the exception though.. we need people in norway.. so unless we want foreigners to genetically replace us, we need to breed.. and norwegian society isnt really made for having kids. youre supposed to focus on career.
@@avlinrbdig5715 I want to hear your reasoning behind these statements. Why do we need more people in Norway? And what do you mean by "foreigners to genetically replace us", and why is that bad?
@@AudunWangen 1. falling numbers of ethnic norwegians. 2. tribalism i guess.
@@avlinrbdig5715 I'll be honest with you. That sounds like racism to me. That may not be your intent, so let me know if I misunderstood anything.
I agree that some foreign CULTURES and religious rituals and customs are bad, and we should not strive to import that and let that influence our politics. I'm an atheist, and wholeheartedly believe in separation of religion and state, for example, so I understand that sentiment. But do you really believe procreation is the best solution to that? Should we have a lot of kids just to outnumber immigrants? If all countries had this mentality, what would be the result?
@@AudunWangen it is a natural impulse for a living being to want to preserve their genes. It is as simple as that, and that of heritage. Now, these are sort of old-fashioned values and animalistic values.
This perspective does not seek to discriminate against a particular group of people or a particular ethnic group. It simply means anyone other than your own tribe -your own genetic closeness and distant relatives. This somewhat ties into culture and history.
Now, the nazis did have a fantasy about some imaginary culture that did not really exist. The caucasian peoples are many different cultures and the wider european ethnicities were rather diverse.
What i am talking about however is not an excuse to segregation and discriminate or perform genocide. It is simply a form of self-preservation.. and if this still needs more explanation i dont know how to help you. Hell, i dont even care all that much about such things, but i am trying to explain none the less.
Personally i find a multicultural country nice.. different beliefs and values to an extent i find enriching.. as long as the society remains somewhat cohesive that is. If multiculturalism becomes a sort of segregation this becomes a problem.
Now look back in history.. tribes of people have har their own genetic makeup cultures and history and heritage.. they each carved out a piece of land for themselves to live on.. through blood war and sacrifice. This was a means of survival. If you got a good piece of land, your people and genes and culture would prosper.. if not, you were forced to migrate and attack others and invade them instead or die trying.
Now, let's say you are a neighbouring country to one other, and you simply reproduce at an insane rate and send all your offspring abroad, eventually numbers will win out and you will overrun an other country with your genes and culture. This is less bloody than war, but it is a grab of power and resources none the less.
Now.. we could have a long discussion about what is best for a modern society today.. and that would be a much more practical, albeit different discussion.
Noone really thinks like what i wrote about these days.. probably.. i hope.m but even so, it is important to remember History and nature.
Say if we lose our genetic makeup and culture and history.. personally i am not a part of a long lineage of nobles, and our norwegian culture is somewhat scattered already in my opinion.. so i wouldnt care too much.. but that simply means we as a people are basically dead already..
Where is the line between culture and ethnicity drawn? It becomes blurry in most cases. In that regard this question is also not too important.
In regards to responsibility however there is an ethical discussion to be had: who has responsibilities to take care of their own children? Say a country that disregards the overpopulation on the planet in order satisfy their personal short term urges for procreation reproduce and more reasonable and responsible people are forced to adopt their children? You could argue this is a humanitarian things to do.. yet it is somewhat unnatural to prioritise the genes of what is an intellectual adversary above your own.. and if you wanna bring eugenics and natural selection into the discussion it is also unethical .
And you could argue more about history of territorial disputes and war and economical and intellectual prosperity as well offcourse.
In any case the real importance is that the population is educated and the Society is somewhat cohesive and functional. It does however become a problem if irresponsible and uneducated and god forbid inherently unintelligent and impulsive people are the only ones to procreate... However it is hard to speculate on who and what that would mean in any practical sense without falling into some racist delusion.
Now... I wrote you an essay to clarify. Hope that helps
Thinking you're good at something, or that you are something or better than others, comes from what we call "Janteloven" (Law of Jante)
It goes like this:
You're not to think you are anything special.
You're not to think you are as good as we are.
You're not to think you are smarter than we are.
You're not to imagine yourself better than we are.
You're not to think you know more than we do.
You're not to think you are more important than we are.
You're not to think you are good at anything.
You're not to laugh at us.
You're not to think anyone cares about you.
You're not to think you can teach us anything.
A little later in the book there is an eleventh law:
are you not aware we know stuff about you?
Christ,,,,,what’s with the hair,,,,,,
is it still taboo to say you have animistic/indigenous religious beliefs? in the past, having indigenous ancestry was taboo.. things are luvkily changing though.
In 1995 I was employed in a company where a lot of my colleagues in my department came from the North of Norway, and puzzling enough, they did not joined together against us "southern" colleagues or anything, but was quarreling and saying nasty thing about each other, comments I often did not understand, but there was especially one really strange thing I never figured out, something that was never said in plain words among those northern guys, but I had a small suspicion about what it was, and now, a couple of years ago we where told he had died, and I was talking with one of those northern colleagues, and I asked him, if our now dead colleague had been of indigenous decent, and yes, he was, so even in late 90'ties and in the 2000'ens it was a taboo even mentioning that someone was indigenous, as late as just a few years ago I worked up in the high North, together with local people, and there was a center for indigenous people in viewing distance from where we worked, and as a bit naive "southern" I asked about, several times actually, but got never any answer, they did not want to talk about it, and I know, from my colleagues again, there is a lot of anger and hostility towards such people, so yes, pretty sure it is a taboo
@@doncarlodivargas5497 yeah.. from what i have gathered myself, the discrimination against natives is even worse up north where they actually are.. i think alot of us southerners arent too hung up about it anymore, even though youll hear the occatioinal joke, it isnt a serious hatred for the natives anymore.. atleast where i am. idk. i hope this stuff gets sorted out.. it is stupid and is based of the notion that the natives were pagan and thus lesser humans.. keeping in mind that all norwegians used to be pagan back in the day... it is ridiculous.
@@avlinrbdig5715- well, I do not know, when the most important issue for 'indigenous' is to have the weather report on their own language on the radio in Oslo you can wonder how big problems are, how is it possible to live in Central areas in norway and not knowing Norwegian?
I have a suspicion pursuing a status as a victim are so attractive what we are seeing is fabricated problems, it might have been issues in the past, but not anymore
@@doncarlodivargas5497 well.. to be fair, in the state channels, samisk should be included equally to nynorsk as far as it is possible and practical, as it is a norwegian language. Kvensk for that matter.
I am personally not fan of the cancelculture and i dont mind making jokes at anyones expense as long as you offend everyone equally..
This being said, indigenous do get bullied and harassed on account of being indigenous though.. i think that kind of evil minded? Ondsinnet.. behaviour done with bad intentions is a plague on our society..
Sure.. go right ahead and bully and harass people.. but i hope people will bully and harass eachother because of personal greviances and not simply because of a generalized prejudice.
@@avlinrbdig5715 - any specific examples of bullying or are your comment just another example of unspecific and broad accusations based more of lack of respect for others?
You know people in general are pretty careful not to accuse others without proof etc
How different Norway is from the United Kingdom. In Norway, you share yourself with those closest to you, i.e. family or very close, trusted friends. In England, you try your best not to share anything with your family. Reason? I think it must be the rivalries that exist to a very large degree in the UK, particularly within families. I found that very strange when I came to live in the UK in 1970. They plainly don't trust each other.
On the other hand, in my early days, I lived for some time in a wealthy part of London, (I had a noticeable accent in those days) and because I was a foreigner in their country I found people (total strangers) telling me all sorts of 'taboo' things about themselves and what their families got up to - at a bus stop, train stations, in Qs inside or outside a shop, or public places like sharing a table at a restaurant, etc. Money matters? Sexual infidelities? Political idiocies? You name it I heard it all. They just wanted to offload all their grievances onto someone who had no knowledge of who they were, or knew their family. Like a free, no-cost, impersonal Counselor, who would keep quiet and say nothing about them and their peccadillos to anyone of note.
As for bragging about yourself, as I've often heard Americans do, that is taboo, because it is regarded as a mental illness! The English do it too, but not quite so full on.
As for religion and/or Christianity. Not a lot is known about it among the younger generation, which is why they think nothing of inviting people with other religious views into the country, hoping they will live as they do. Not realizing these people have come to impose their religion on them, thereby disposing of the Christian faith altogether. We see a lot of it in the UK. The blind leading the blind.
Well i was onboard until that last bit xD
Reasonable minds can differ, your perspective i'm sure is grounded in your experiences and how you percieved them - but religion alltogether is melting away, no single faith is "under attack".
Now, my mother and father came to Norway with me when i was 6, because the goverment in Afghanistan at the time was sentencing women to hang from the public pool diving board on religious sentences etc. I can assure you it was not a lifelong saboteur deployment as a religious activist to upset people by being a supermuslim in other people's vicinity. I'm not religious myself, but it seems heartless to assume they came for any religious scheme - their religion was the only part of their old lives that they were able to escape with, let them hold on to it.
People in my generation has grown up listening to older generations simply be wrong about this,hate over this, fight over this, and kill over this.
That's why religion is melting away. All religions im aware of teach kindness as a core principle, and forgiveness, but the way it's acted on by good christians like yourself demonstrates that hypocricy very clearly for us,as well as other religious wackadoos who insist the world is going up in flames because "others".
You can be as mad and frustrated as you like on the subject, like i said im sure your views are founded in experiences that make sense to you,
but as for the younger generations, dont assume we "don't know" a lot about it. We have a more interconnected society now than ever before, and broader social circles, even much broader exchanges online like you and me in this comment thread. We've also had a front row seat all our lives to the most brutal conflicts in the history of the world being sparked by religious extremism, the most horrible acts of private citizens turned so hateful that they kill innocents in the name of their ideology. It's a 50/50 wether the next mass killing we hear of is in a church, a mosque, a synagogue, or a mall.
These extremists are on all sides like it or not, and we don't have to go as far as killings to spot hard malice and harm.
Marriages demand conversions,being gay isnt ok, being trans isn't ok, you have to wear this or that, and so on.
I promise you we know much more than we need to on the dangers of religion and we support our gay friends, our trans friends, our friends who need an abortion, our friends who want to wear their hair down, because batshit religious loonies of the older generation are the loudest and fiercest in targeting them, who are OUR friends that we grew up with, work with, and live with.
This might sound morbid, but i hope on some subconscious level it calms you to know that whatever irrational harm religions of any origin can do isn't rubbing off on us, and it will die off. We know we can't change your opinions,so dont take our silence as indifference, we're just not fooled, and kinda busy dealing with the mass extinctions of species, the wild climate changes, hunger, and you know, other stuff we have to deal with that is a ittybit more important right now.
@@zarahandrahilde9554 Hi! Thanks for your input. My observation is really that of other Norwegians growing up today, not people from other continents. However, may I say how glad I am to read your response, perhaps living in Norway may have coloured your way of life in a way it hasn't in Britain.
However, 'religion' is the cause of many wars and is the reason Christ came into this world to do away with it and teach people to follow His teachings instead. He wasn't welcome by the religious people of his day - thus the Crucifixion. Nobody is 'born' a Christian like Muslims are/or believe they are. Just because a person is white and comes from a country that teaches the Christian faith, be it in schools or in Church, does not mean that they are Christian - they can be as pagan as anyone! To become a true Christian I had to repent of my sins and sinful nature (the flaw that we're all born with) and ask God's forgiveness. Only then did the Spirit of God, called the Holy Spirit, take up residence in my heart, which connected me to God and His ways. Being born of the Spirit also entitled me to spiritual gifts, of which there are 19 in all. (All of them are listed in the New Testament of the Bible). One of them is that of Healing, and often we see people being healed of their illnesses through prayer (which is also a spiritual gift) as they did in Ancient days when the Gospels were first written down. Explore the Christian faith, which incidentally is not a religion, and you'll be surprised at what God can do in your life. I notice your English is very good - therefore well educated. The Lord has a lot more waiting to show you. May He bless you richly.
Happy for you, but i'll reiterate that you should reconsider what you assume about younger generations, especially what we understand or dont understand about religion and complex issues such as refugees, which you attribute (in a very broad stroke i might add) to "these people have come to impose their religion",
which hoists a very big red flag about you.
Instead of answering to that, you instead wrote me 2 paragraphs about Christ - i dont think i need to point out the irony here.
@@zarahandrahilde9554 Well, in the 70s there was one Mosque in London. Today there are more than 3000 Mosques in the whole of UK. What does that say? You'll find out eventually.
All that says is how you've decided to structure your argument. a single city in the 70's with a 7,5m population, against the 4 nations that make up the UK in the modern day with a current population of 67,7 million. Thats a shady way to tilt your argument I'd say, it doesn't even stay consistent with itself.
I get it, if you FEEL like the increase is drastic, then say so. People can fact-check you in the palm of their hand now during the conversation, so don't skew facts, it only kills your credibility.
There's also been dedicated built mosques in the UK for over 120 years, and even in the 70's they were in most cities, its all incredibly easy to look up online. There's also not 3000 mosques in the UK, there are a combined total of 2142 mosques in the UK -and- Ireland.
I will definately never find out "what does that say?", so please do share.
To me, its just growth. There's more population, so obviously there will be more religious buildings, chippy shops, autoshops, and libraries. If you ask specifically why there's more mosques now than in the 70's i'd say thats probably mostly because of international industry, as well as the need for refugees and displaced people to live somewhere as areas both in africa and asia that are predominantly muslim have been having both wars internal and external for the last 4 decades.
But i refuse to leave it on that - this is not a matter of mosques i believe, if you had a confident example you would present it to me, instead of asking a suggestive hypothetical at the end of a skewed statistic.
I'd love instead to hear what you yourself mean that your example says.
4:23 I disagree with the last statement there. I believe it's become very acceptable to be against freedom of speech. I think being pro-freedom of speech has become something "bad" many places.
Cancel culture is literally being anti-speech. If you believe someone should be canceled over an opinion they say, that is ANTI freedom of speech and undemocratic.
If anyone says something bad or in a grey area, and someone goes "I don't agree with what this person is saying, but this person absolutely should have the right to say it
It doesn't even have to be bad, it can be a statistical truth, and some woke ugly whale will try to cancel you over it, because it doesn't align with their EMOTION/feeling.
The same people more often than not also commit logical fallacies, like appeal to emotion, the notion that your feelings matter more than facts/truth, which is totally wrong.
In our family we have a rule that we do not speak about sickness,politics,religion, finance or anything that can lead to discussions at family gatherings, keep it
"hyggelig" If you need to talk to someone you do it privatly with the one you know can be trusted.
Norway pretty much wanna be America
No no !! Not true.
@@steinarhaugen7617 shuuure
To be a fascist and racist in norway is extremely taboo. We have more people chanting and singing them out of the streats and making them feel shame than not.
America also has this wierd vision that antifa is a group or an organisation.
I have spoken to hundreds of norwegians and everyone here seems to understand that to be "an anti fascist" just means that you are against fascism. thats it.
And a lot of people who are against Antifa, because they don't do good stuff, they destroy buildings and stuff, disguised as "anti facist"
Antifascists actually have extremely fascistic behavior themselves, to be honest.
@@ahkkariq7406 as I said. Wierd vision about what an anti-fascist is. Take a trip to Europe to learn the true meaning of what it is to an anti-fascist.
@@deadzen Anyone who wants to judge a person based on the color of their skin, and not their character is a racist and fascist. Which is exactly what liberals in Norway do. They judge white people much more harshly than they judge brown people. That's the truth.
@@ahkkariq7406 false. But you have your opinion and it seems like you think you know best and a random person like me can't convince you otherwise. You take factless opinions and call Norwegian fascist so i think this convo is a dead end
I think you Americans talk about all kind of stuff all the time, feelings, personal things, health and political issues without any filter, last summer I worked with an American, and the first thing he told me was his health, and that prior to formally being introduced, at one point he also told me an episode with him naked, prostitutes and his wife, also weapons and shooting is something Americans can talk about an passant, once I worked in USA the female vaiter coming to my table told me about her miscarriage after only a few seconds, so, Americans, they do not have taboos like we have, I also worked in a ship yard in USA where the American workers talked about their religious belief at the table at lunch, this is also something we do not talk about in norway/Europe
Depending on where in the US. I know people who has been living there, and never talked about politics or religion.
@@themetricsystem7967 - it might be the political climate in USA now make people, (Americans) discuss politics more openly, last summer I worked with 2 Americans, first one and then another guy, and they talked about policy on several occasions, with strong opinions, of course about the drama going on in USA, but some years ago it was not usual, but one "taboo" Americans might have is foreigners talking shit about USA, that is something making them really pissed off, they are usually extremely proud of everything American
@@doncarlodivargas5497 no, it is also about regional differences, and the people I refer to was working and living there more than ten ago
@@themetricsystem7967 - OK, I do not know, but have the impression the political temperature in USA are much much higher now than some 10, 15 years ago, and with the intensity those two guys I worked with discussed policy I could interpolate my anecdotal experience to usa as a whole
You can pay extra to sitt alone on the buss
Never heard of it or done it ever and i take the buss 5 days a week 2 times every day for years. Thats not a thing. Come on
...or scare away others by manic staring.
@@jrnsteen8136 yeah you can, just pay extra for a specific seat and sitt next to it, it will be reserved to you so noone will sitt there🤣
@@nor-wayking6757 oh i look like a killer so ppl leave me alone
@@warviking7647 asked my neighbor Who is a bussdriver and he said that theres nothing like that in a ticked or app
The one about "Not to think your something" in Sweden and possible whole of Scandinavia we have something that is called Jantelagen (Law of Jante?) its like a code of conduct.
Socially I think it has had an impact of how we behave, and people have usually heard of it atleast. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante
The people in your space is getting more and more normal in norway and i swear i'm about to go in to attack mode if these people dont keep their distance😅
@@sem_skywalker det skjedde faktisk på rema for 1 uke siden med meg😂
@@sem_skywalker var på tur å spørre hva i hælvette som var greia men lot være, det var en gammel mann på 70-80 med pokkelrygg.. vare bare litt artig at du nevnte akk det å at det nettopp har skjedd med meg
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