0:20 - "Why promote non-free distros?" 2:50 - "Hey DT, I made a comment and that comment is gone ..." 5:40 - Do you prefer upstream configs or cooked configs? 7:22 - "You seem to make a lot of mistakes in your videos. How much do you really know about Linux?" 7:40 - "You say FreeBSD is a Unix-Like operating system. That is wrong. FreeBSD is Unix." 9:28 - Anime/meme thumbnails 10:56 - Thoughts on compiling software from source. 12:08 - Menus for shutdown, restart, etc.. on window managers 13:26 - huh?
»It's weird the things that people take personally.« Unfortunately, we live in times when people take *everything* personally, except for the rubbish they talk themselves.
that's what happens when feeling are politicized and collectivized. It's all about the fee fees, the politically correct fee fees, and who can find the most over which to be offended.. to hell with all of 'em.
Hey DT. Been watching a lot of your videos for a few months now, and I've found a lot of great information and tools because of you. I'm still transitioning from Windows, but I wanted to just say, thanks for your vids.
I'm not that old, and can only hearsay talk about it, but the internet seems to think "The BSD variants are descendants of UNIX developed by the University of California at Berkeley with UNIX source code from Bell Labs. However, the BSD code base has evolved since then, replacing all of the AT&T code."
@@dawill5217 there are lots of commercial/military uses for older software. The US Govt. actually pays MS for patches and updates for XP/Windows 7 as a bunch of their equipment CAN'T be updated to newer software. In Texas there are a bunch of buried 386 computers running oil rigs and pumps.These were never updated for y2k and still run.(dates have a weird format now). I've encountered many businesses in real life that just HATE to update their computer systems---if it still works they will spend more money to support it, that to just upgrade it.
@@debianswami8204 I know that my NES and Sega Genesis still runs and I don't want to update them. I once saw an old PC at a factory that makes plastic bags and prints on them. It has a 286 and a certain imaging software. There was no reason to update anything.
@@louistournas120 yeah I just got rid of my older 486 machines... On one the old versa graphics card died. The others were just using too much electricity...
Debian’s kernel doesn’t have blobs. The FSF’s issue is that they host servers with proprietary software, and provide instructions on their site on how to enable those repositories.
correct. Debian doesn't have those blobs. Debian has a whole section of their repository call Non-Free that you HAVE to enable to get those proprietary drivers, that most ppl will enable to get wifi, Nvidia, etc. working.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 Are those OSes with no GUI? I remember seeing SunOS running on some SGI workstations at university. It had a GUI. Not as pretty as Win95 but it did the job.
@@louistournas120 I worked on Sun's Solaris and, at that time, it had a CDE GUI that was definitely very old style - yes, not as nice looking as Windows 95 as you say. I think somewhere around Release 7 or 8, Solaris went to a GNOME GUI, but about that time the product I worked on that used it was migrated to Linux anyway. I have always worked in telecoms server environments so when I deployed UNIX servers on SCO or HP-UX, there was no need for any GUI anyway. I can't remember if there were GUI options for those two.
About packages i follow this. Official distro repository > Flatpak(if newer and better version than first choice) > AppImage > Snap > Compile from source
Menus for shutdown, restart, etc.. on window managers: I use j4-dmenu-desktop on my tiling wm's, and I created .desktop files for shutdown and reboot. Or you can simply configure keybindings for that.
I used to work on Unix and although it worked but it did have issues. I still remember when X-Windows came around. It was beautiful. It made it easier to create GUIs.
Which linux distro should i use? I dont want unneeded apps like ( libreoffice, gimp, etc..). Plus lightweight desktop (not gnome). Plus debian based( because it is stable and more packages than others in its repo)
Fun fact regarding the old unix vs. unix like discussion. Apple actually certify every version of MacOS since 10.5 "Leopard" with the Open Group (pretty ironic name BTW). So if you feel it´s important to really run "UNIX" with the correct trademark stuff, Apple has you covered. I have some old Macs and is also a huge OpenBSD fan. I run OpenBSD on everything in my life, except on the Macs. MacOS of course works very well on Apple hardware, but it also (kind of) honors it´s BSD-heritage. So if your a Linux guy, MacOS may not feel that Linux-ish. But it actually often feels rather at home for a BSD guy. From a Linux standpoint, I may want to describe MacOS as a "BSD with a rather miserable package manager but with pretty good BSD foundation, and the init system (launchd) that got copied by Lennart Poettering in to Linux as systemd". Not the most catchy description, but basically, that´s my (unscientific) take on the definition. And to be fair MacOS has actually a surprising amount of open source in it. My little bit of positive critizism is that all you Linux people should really give OpenBSD a chance and not only look at FreeBSD. Not that I have anything against FreeBSD or something. But I sometimes see it as "just another distro" with all of those Linux frustrations I don´t like. But go have a look at OpenBSD. That´s where you find the real difference. In short: UNIX is just a trademark these days. Apple (for some reason) feel the need to certify every single version with OpenGroup to be able to call it UNIX. OpenBSD on the other hand is more focused on keeping the internet working as safe as possible and in the same time honor the true philosophy of UNIX. Also, OpenBSD has the best mascot.
@@bigpod UNIX as a platform (and not the TM garbage) is probably the best thing that ever happened to computing if we talk about the true stuff that Ken and Richie built in the early 70´s. That´s of course ancient but is still the foundation of basically everything today. The last time someone thought they could do it better we got Windows NT.
@@bigpod Many good points there. Regarding NT, my last certification with MS was actually an MCSE for NT4 so I had my share of that world too. I am not for maintaining old stuff into absurdity. But OS´es are a pretty huge thing. That´s why no one has actually made a successful new OS in the last three decades or more. UNIX-likes and it´s distant relatives like NT / OS/2 are the only ones still around. And I don´t even think that MS with all their power will survive forever with the NT-platform. If someone comes up with something new, well that´s cool. But I think the possibilities of that gets smaller for every year. What I see more as realistic is to make the most good out of that old "standard" that UNIX(-like) is. And to be fair, the connected world is growing more and more dystopic for every year. And the only ones that actually are doing anything real work against the cesspool of crap the IT-world has become is OpenBSD. Now. I am Swedish so I sometimes struggle to make my point in English. Just saying that to have a context when I say that we probably agree a lot more than it may sound. What I´m trying to get to is that I really think OpenBSD are the only ones that really gets the big problem. We could argue about whats the best platform. But the real solution is to start saying no to crappy stuff. My old example is Nvidia. Linus Torvalds gave the middle finger but it´s still "everybody´s welcome" in Linuxland. OpenBSD simply kicked all support out. And my biggest wish is for OpenBSD to get big enough to make more of a difference. Because the world would probably be a better place if we had less malicious companys beeing evil at their users. I think many in the Linux community are beeing hypocrates. They talk about "freedom" and "privacy". But still uses blobbed stuff and bad hardware. Malicious companies won´t listen to middle fingers. The only language they understand is beeing kicked in the rear by huge masses. And that´s not going to be solved by neither a "new OS" or more closed source kernel modules or "code of conducts". What we need is more of people that dares to actually say no to crap and bad privacy. And the only ones that I see really doing that is OpenBSD. And I think that´s the most important bit regardless of the platform. And yes, I realize the irony of having this discussion on a platform like this... ;) And for anyone that is still awake after reading this; I strongly suggest to have a go at trying OpenBSD. It´s our only hope for a sound internet. Or at least watch DT´s video about "sudo vs doas" or something. Maybe some of you should ask yourself, "If I´m using a systemd-distro with DRM, Nvidia drivers etc. What actually am I doing differently than the average Windows user?" And yes, I am the hypocrate myself. I post on this platform and in the case of this post, I´m even doing it on a MacOS system. But at least, if we forget about the crappy company Apple is and how much stupid stuff they make. One thing that has never failed is their most stable bit. Their OS. I have a few special cases of customers needing to maintain software so old it only runs on old PPC hardware. In essence, I support some servers that has almost 20 years of service without any hickups. And that´s what I love about UNIX (if done properly). And actually. I don´t think the Linux community are doing it properly anymore. If it ain´t broken, don´t fix it...
Thank you DIstroTube, because of your passion and pro guidance i started my adventure with Arch Linux also i love to watch your videos because they are very informative also your accent is perfect to understand. Cheers.
For the person that has an issue with rofi in i3, you have to add options to the rofi keybind in i3, you can't just bindsym exec rofi, you need to give it a show mode like drun or combi etc as well and then it works just fine. I love my rofi setup in my i3. For DT, you like to advocate GNU Linux a lot but do you have any thoughts that I might have missed about distros that don't use GNU? Distros like Alpine that use busybox instead, or toybox or plan 9 etc? Also, I'm obviously not going to post a link here after what you said in the vid lol but have you ever tried out distrotest and if so what do you think of it as a way to get a look at a distro before downloading? Great vid as always, keep up the great work.
Hey DT, debian is actually 100% free by default, there is a non-free repo (disabled by default) for proprietary software (linux non-libre, steam, nvidia, etc.)
Actually speaking of it: So does the firmware-linux-nonfree package or what its called contain the non free Linux firmware blobs? Never looked into that before
Humm, out of over 800 videos I have watched, I have heard DT tell people to use Ubuntu! So I don't get that comment... "I'm guessing that person needs to work it out.." Nice comment DT... LOL Thanks for the video! Keep the good stuff coming! LLAP
Hey DT You do a great job. Congrats and keep on! About FreeBSD ... will you have a look at the USB bootable NomadBSD? I have problems booting/installing it, maybe the "magician" could solve the trick!
DT, you are the greatest. Have always used Windows but your review of dystros and I switched to linux. Tried numerous dystros and some twice. Finally settled on NETRUNNER KDE. PERFECT blend of GNU and terminal for learning. Give it a review.
DT you look like you get stressed too much reading the comments. Chill man. Thanks for all the videos and knowledge. I found you today. Now I will keep watching your videos. Greetings from Argentina.
@DistroTube The other about old UNIX was that they would ONLY run on the specific hardware made to run them, and that hardware was VERY costly. Today's Linux and BSD run on a crap ton more hardware than ever before. We are truly living in the good times for non-windows OS.
Hey DT , can you take a look into XMonad's Named Action , it shows your keybindings (Just like awesomewm) , it is a little complicated to configure , would help a lot . By the way thanks for making such good content.
All of the above. Work has a stock Android phone. Personally I have an older LGV20 with custom ROM, and last year got a pine phone to play with where you can physically turn off camera with a switch....
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My 50 cents in comment. I would be interested in hearing a little bit of "why" you chose a particular comment to respond to, because I agree, some of this comments were really disconnected from context.
UNIX had its merits. But one of the main reasons, RMS imitated UNIX for GNU, was that it was one of the only portable operating systems. And that was quite essential, when it could take more than a decade, before your OS was completed. At least we didn't need to wait for Hurd to be done. :)
According to FSF, proprietary firmware is fine as long as it's preinstalled but updating it is not allowed anymore, so it goes to show how little sense their criteria make anyway. So sure, you can run Parabola but you'll end up with a ton of security vulnerabilities due to outdated firmware, while still running proprietary code regardless. Fedora really strives to be as libre as possible without compromising security, but even then it's not enough for the FSF.
yes.. exploits are found weekly/daily and patched.. that's why you should update your system regularly... they recently found an exploit in sudo that has been there for about 10yrs... about 10yrs ago they found malware hidden in openssl sourcecode...it was promptly removed.... The greatness about Linux is that you can SEE the code, so these exploits can be(if you have the knowledge) found and fixed. Windows has exploits, but believes that if nobody sees the code, they won't know how to exploit the system..the sheer number of Windows ransomware exploits proves this to be wrong.
Hey DT, I made the switch from Windows to fedora , I still have to use Windows for work . Every time I go back to Windows the mouse feels different, and it takes a while to get accustomed to , and when I finally go back to Linux I have to get used to the mouse all over again. is there any tool to help out with this? TY
Are you talking about the pointer speed? If you are running the KDE interface, click on Start -> System Settings On the left side, click on Input Devices. On the right side, click on Mouse On the right side, there is a slider to control the mouse speed. At the bottom right, click on Apply.
Disappointing that you have to defend yourself from some commentors. You're out there, like many, just trying to help people understand that there are options available for everyone wanting alternatives to Windows and MacOSX. I really enjoy watching and learning from your videos even more so because it's your hobby not part of your job. Thank you DT 😸
In addition - YT deletes comments entirely at random as well - some days im pretty sure they just dont get stored - ive had very innocent comments that just disappear after 3 mins or so multiple times and then stick an hour later.
Keep in mind you can install a OS with proprietary drivers and slowly remove proprietary drivers to figure out what breaks the install. Do this to your hearts content. To minimize proprietary drivers.
@Sampa Norein if i post a link, it'll probably be taken down :^). just search google for "neovim 0.5 milestone", and it should be the first result. originally, it was supposed to be ready some time in april, but it keeps getting posponed, and right now it says june 15. but, such is life, especially open source life ;-).
illumos distribution are considered modern Open source Unix even Freebsd guidelines says it's descendant of Unix but doesn't contain the AT & T bell labs System V code they have abandoned due to licensing issues of Unix so after BSD 4.4 it become it's own family Even Sun Solaris or Oracle Unix was created by mixing system V and BSD code
according to their own website and press materials: "Most of Chrome's source code comes from Google's free and open-source software project Chromium, but Chrome is licensed as proprietary freeware."
Hey DT, you said that you get some comments from Reddit. Why don't you try out Lemmy, it's an open-source federated alternative to Reddit. I recommend you should really check that out. Thanks
Well, when I read the books on BSD Unix and they explain its history, they are basically a compatible re-write of AT&T (Bell Labs) Unix - so that they could get to a code base that could be freely shared under the Berkley license terms. So its code base origin is not unlike Linux kernel and the GNU tools. Of course everyone knows that the BSD Unix got bogged down in a law suit from AT&T's company that sold their commercial Unix, and that allowed Linux to come in and fill that temporary vacuum and effectively leap frog BSD Unix.
0:22 why do you promote gnu/linux distributions that do not follow the gnu free system distribution guidelines, like ubuntu, manjaro, and others? 2:51 I made a comment and that comment is gone. did it go to spam, or did you actually delete it? I did not write anything which would warrant deletion 5:41 do you prefer upsteam configs or cooked (customized by distributions) configs for wm configurations? 7:22 you seem to make a lot of mistakes in you videos. how much do you really know about linux? 7:41 you say freebsd is unix-like operating system. that is wrong. freebsd is unix. 9:28 I see you've started using anime/meme thumbnails, it's a little more interesting and should attract more views. but i'm curious do you like them? 10:58 what are your thoughts on compiling software from source? do you recommend it? 12:08 I have a question. how do you get menus for shutdown, restart and logout on window manager? I was using rofi before, but i3 doesnt play well with rofi. any suggestions? 13:26 that's funny to me, because people like you discourage convenience in favor of obscure software "minimalism" by endlessly memeing the bloated software and distribution supremacy, eg. dont use ubuntu install gentoo and then wonder why linux community is so divisive.
DT is probably the least devisive Linux youtuber. I always hear him respecting choice and subjective preferences of users, unlike some other youtubers.
BSD when all said and done has one major and important difference between it and any variant of Linux, Linus is a kernel and drivers not an operating system per se distros add that functionality and they all differ wheras BSD is a total operating system that is a turnkey install from one source and so more stable and longer term supported. Linux on the other hand when all said and done Distro's come and go it can be cutting edge and there are some long term support options but that means it cannot be cutting edge and is in fact closer to a BSD Operating system being a turnkey installation with some form of long term stability involved.
11:04 virgin Gentoo: *nooooooo binaries are bad!!! only source is the real power!!!* virgin Arch: *noooooo compiling from source is bad!!! is takes years to compile one small app!!!* the chad Slackware: both of them are good
For FreeBSD (or other BSDs) to be called UNIX it needs to pay a licence fee. It is already UNIX and POSIX compliant. Apple paid for OS X to be featuring a UNIX trademark.
I'm not that old, and can only hearsay talk about it, but the internet seems to think "The BSD variants are descendants of UNIX developed by the University of California at Berkeley with UNIX source code from Bell Labs. However, the BSD code base has evolved since then, replacing all of the AT&T code."
2:00 Actually, macOS and Chrome OS aren't 100% proprietary. Large parts of macOS are FOSS (e.g. the Darwin base OS (licensed under www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#apsl2 ), which includes some components from BSD), and Chrome OS is based on Chromium OS (free distro), which in turn is based on Gentoo. Also, Windows's calculator app is FOSS.
The idea of some small parts of code being proprietary can be misleading in the Linux community. Full proprietary operating systems, (Windows, Mac OS, Chromebook), these usually are phoning home with your personal data. The stigma exists in the realm of proprietary code mixed into Linux, "Is this stuff collecting data?"
This is a deeper philosophical questions. FOSS also has a dark side where it encourages freelancers to make worse and more byzantine code, because then they gain hegemony over the codebase for those who are willing to pay them to update the code. So FOSS doesn't really mean free. For many companies, it's more expensive than just getting a Microsoft product. Let that sink in.
Unfortunately people are arrogant and care more about what's what and being right instead of helping each other. I always watch myself to make sure I don't come off as arrogant in anyway.
I think it's extremely arrogant of you to paint everyone in the Linux community like that, to be perfectly honest. How come you think you're better than everyone else then?
Arrogant by saying that :) I mean the questions are poorly executed and over used. But really BSD is more or rather closer to Unix. Linux is a mess and if not for having some good people and goals, well. It is simply a dumpster fire. But that is BSD just as guilty in being. I mean if Windows 7 was the Windows 10 of today, I think most of us had left Linux. I mean sure there was allot of improvements in Windows pre 8 needed. And making it more open and a descent light powerful layer for applications we make run on it. That had really made Linux be out of the game here. Since that had made WIndows just a abstraction from the hardware we use. Making software running on top of that the open freedom place to be at. O I pay for that version of Windows. But that is not Windows today. They sell our data for money instead of making it the open and safe place to "live" in. No way to trust them in anything sadly looking at Windows 10. And any sign of Windows in OUR open source stuff needs to be stopped for the grater good for people that actually exist. Companies are not doing good for people. They are simply as a side effect helping people even if they do not want to. Why Ubuntu SysD or whatever is a problem. God sake we got M$ on the Linux seats... And on top of that have we replaced PC viruses for people, people involved in computers that make political messes and stuff ruining the things we got in open source. Teamwork free safe non discriminating open and not governed by a single entity. We just want that. Code to run computers. Not code that link back or do not work without this hole baggage of complex and creeping to take over the systems we run. Trying to put fingers where they should not be just to have a say over what others do or do not do. It is fabricated way of owning OUR open source freedom. That is what Linux is bad at. And it is worrying. Linux is not the only kernel. And that is good. The End.
@@TheDiner50 I stopped reading at the point you said "Arrogant by saying that". That's fine, if you consider me arrogant then we've nothing further to discuss. Sorry you wasted your time writing the rest of it, I hope someone else reads it. Not that anything a stranger on the Internet says to me could ever provoke a negative reaction from me, but if you want to engage someone's attention with a comment then start with an intelligent opening, not an attempt at an insult. Try harder in future and frame your points better.
@@valentinidk6101 I'm not baiting, I am simply asking some questions. It always amuses me that people think that they can ascribe certain emotions to the way people write messages when written text is extremely bad at communicating nuance. If you've never met me but you then extrapolate an image of me inside your head, purely from what I right here, then, that's fine - it's your brain, do what you like. But if you create that image in your brain and then complain to me that I am being arrogant or that I'm angry, then that's the sign of mental instability. Why is an image that you make in your brain somehow my problem? If your brain creates an image that you can't deal with on your own, then you need to have some psychotherapy, because the whole idea of psychotherapy is to help you deal with what's inside you head.
DT is correct. FreeBSD is BSD Unix, not UNIX(r). A thing known as the Unix Wars happened in the 80s and 90s. Most of the real UNIX(r) operating systems were very expensive, had very restrictive licenses, ran on hardware that can cost as much as a nice house and were in no way free or open source. Most of those are now extinct for one reason or another so it is just some pedantic trivia in 2021, but at one time this was a really important issue.
again those discussions.. sometimes proprietary is not bad.. it also does not interfere with the UNIX mindset. Keep in mind UNIX is also (apart from some copies) non-free. So if you want to use lets say spotify or play counter strike you have to deal with it and that is ok. Some people live from creating those applications and not everytime it works to have it open source mostly when you are not offering it as a service
FreeBSD is Unix, it just can't be called that for legal reasons. It could do that and Solaris has because Oracle cares for some reason, but it would just be a hassle and not worth it. Still, it is a direct descendant from Unix. GNU/Linux on the other hand is a Unix-compatible clone.
@@pacc0698 Windows is probably more POSIX compliant than any Plan 9 distribution. They have a POSIX environment "APE: (A Posix Environment)" to help port Unix/Posix software, but frankly, it's not very up to modern POSIX standards.
The BSD's are Basically At&t Unix without a little piece of paper saying that they are Officially Unix. But None of that Really matters in my opinion anymore because OpenVMS Kicks UNIX's Ass!
I'll be fully using linux when linux gaming is just as good and seamless as gaming on windows, meanwhile I'll keep using linux only for enthusiast stuff and ethical hacking.
0:20 - "Why promote non-free distros?"
2:50 - "Hey DT, I made a comment and that comment is gone ..."
5:40 - Do you prefer upstream configs or cooked configs?
7:22 - "You seem to make a lot of mistakes in your videos. How much do you really know about Linux?"
7:40 - "You say FreeBSD is a Unix-Like operating system. That is wrong. FreeBSD is Unix."
9:28 - Anime/meme thumbnails
10:56 - Thoughts on compiling software from source.
12:08 - Menus for shutdown, restart, etc.. on window managers
13:26 - huh?
Thanks
*DT IS NOT BALD!
*I AM NOT LUKE SMITH
I was laughing so hard at this thank you so much dt
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This isn't Luke Smith?! Dang my bad
timestamp?
DT's patience is something to aspire towards! Seriously, goals!
Another awesome video Luke Smith
This is Derek Taylor not Luke Smith.
@@internationalaudio9702 No, it's one of Luke's many deepfakes.
»It's weird the things that people take personally.«
Unfortunately, we live in times when people take *everything* personally, except for the rubbish they talk themselves.
Twitter users are just exactly this.
everyones a fragile narcissist these days
@Linux For Newbies ! would you mind sharing your post?
that's what happens when feeling are politicized and collectivized. It's all about the fee fees, the politically correct fee fees, and who can find the most over which to be offended.. to hell with all of 'em.
Biggest truth I've read today
Hey DT. Been watching a lot of your videos for a few months now, and I've found a lot of great information and tools because of you. I'm still transitioning from Windows, but I wanted to just say, thanks for your vids.
Awesome, thank you!
I'll be honest as someone that still works with AT&T Unix on that daily I agree.
I'm not that old, and can only hearsay talk about it, but the internet seems to think "The BSD variants are descendants of UNIX developed by the University of California at Berkeley with UNIX source code from Bell Labs. However, the BSD code base has evolved since then, replacing all of the AT&T code."
What do you do that requires you to still use software that old(I'm assuming)?Just curious
@@dawill5217 there are lots of commercial/military uses for older software. The US Govt. actually pays MS for patches and updates for XP/Windows 7 as a bunch of their equipment CAN'T be updated to newer software. In Texas there are a bunch of buried 386 computers running oil rigs and pumps.These were never updated for y2k and still run.(dates have a weird format now). I've encountered many businesses in real life that just HATE to update their computer systems---if it still works they will spend more money to support it, that to just upgrade it.
@@debianswami8204 I know that my NES and Sega Genesis still runs and I don't want to update them.
I once saw an old PC at a factory that makes plastic bags and prints on them. It has a 286 and a certain imaging software. There was no reason to update anything.
@@louistournas120 yeah I just got rid of my older 486 machines... On one the old versa graphics card died. The others were just using too much electricity...
The legend makes another great video!
For me... linux mint does what I need it to. I know that makes me a noob or whatever... but, it works for me.
Use what works for you and don't care what others say about it.
@@johanb.7869 Yup
hey dt, can you make a video on how you produce your videos?
so us, aspiring youtubers can learn a thing or two.
correct me if i am wrong, but i thought chromeos was based on gentoo. At least it was in the beginning.
Debian’s kernel doesn’t have blobs. The FSF’s issue is that they host servers with proprietary software, and provide instructions on their site on how to enable those repositories.
correct. Debian doesn't have those blobs. Debian has a whole section of their repository call Non-Free that you HAVE to enable to get those proprietary drivers, that most ppl will enable to get wifi, Nvidia, etc. working.
I've used true Unix System V (even have some manuals). Those are the good old days. But I'm glad running Fedora with KDE on any laptop these days.
I've used System V, SCO and HP-UX and they were all a pain in the backside to work on compared to Linux.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 Are those OSes with no GUI?
I remember seeing SunOS running on some SGI workstations at university. It had a GUI. Not as pretty as Win95 but it did the job.
same
@@louistournas120 I worked on Sun's Solaris and, at that time, it had a CDE GUI that was definitely very old style - yes, not as nice looking as Windows 95 as you say.
I think somewhere around Release 7 or 8, Solaris went to a GNOME GUI, but about that time the product I worked on that used it was migrated to Linux anyway.
I have always worked in telecoms server environments so when I deployed UNIX servers on SCO or HP-UX, there was no need for any GUI anyway. I can't remember if there were GUI options for those two.
About packages i follow this. Official distro repository > Flatpak(if newer and better version than first choice) > AppImage > Snap > Compile from source
Menus for shutdown, restart, etc.. on window managers: I use j4-dmenu-desktop on my tiling wm's, and I created .desktop files for shutdown and reboot. Or you can simply configure keybindings for that.
I used to work on Unix and although it worked but it did have issues. I still remember when X-Windows came around. It was beautiful. It made it easier to create GUIs.
Which linux distro should i use?
I dont want unneeded apps like ( libreoffice, gimp, etc..). Plus lightweight desktop (not gnome). Plus debian based( because it is stable and more packages than others in its repo)
What about just vanilla Debian or Bunsen Labs (based off Deb). Curious as to what you're running since this comment is old?
At 9:28 I think he's referring to Mental Outlaw or Luke Smith xD
I'm not crazy for FOSS. I just like that Linux works and doesn't need to interrupt my work when updating. I also like an OS that doesn't do telemetry.
Repeat after me: "DT is not bald!".
"DT is not bald!". ;)
"DT is not bald!"
Fun fact regarding the old unix vs. unix like discussion. Apple actually certify every version of MacOS since 10.5 "Leopard" with the Open Group (pretty ironic name BTW). So if you feel it´s important to really run "UNIX" with the correct trademark stuff, Apple has you covered. I have some old Macs and is also a huge OpenBSD fan. I run OpenBSD on everything in my life, except on the Macs. MacOS of course works very well on Apple hardware, but it also (kind of) honors it´s BSD-heritage. So if your a Linux guy, MacOS may not feel that Linux-ish. But it actually often feels rather at home for a BSD guy. From a Linux standpoint, I may want to describe MacOS as a "BSD with a rather miserable package manager but with pretty good BSD foundation, and the init system (launchd) that got copied by Lennart Poettering in to Linux as systemd". Not the most catchy description, but basically, that´s my (unscientific) take on the definition. And to be fair MacOS has actually a surprising amount of open source in it.
My little bit of positive critizism is that all you Linux people should really give OpenBSD a chance and not only look at FreeBSD. Not that I have anything against FreeBSD or something. But I sometimes see it as "just another distro" with all of those Linux frustrations I don´t like. But go have a look at OpenBSD. That´s where you find the real difference.
In short: UNIX is just a trademark these days. Apple (for some reason) feel the need to certify every single version with OpenGroup to be able to call it UNIX. OpenBSD on the other hand is more focused on keeping the internet working as safe as possible and in the same time honor the true philosophy of UNIX.
Also, OpenBSD has the best mascot.
@@bigpod UNIX as a platform (and not the TM garbage) is probably the best thing that ever happened to computing if we talk about the true stuff that Ken and Richie built in the early 70´s. That´s of course ancient but is still the foundation of basically everything today. The last time someone thought they could do it better we got Windows NT.
@@bigpod Many good points there. Regarding NT, my last certification with MS was actually an MCSE for NT4 so I had my share of that world too. I am not for maintaining old stuff into absurdity. But OS´es are a pretty huge thing. That´s why no one has actually made a successful new OS in the last three decades or more. UNIX-likes and it´s distant relatives like NT / OS/2 are the only ones still around. And I don´t even think that MS with all their power will survive forever with the NT-platform. If someone comes up with something new, well that´s cool. But I think the possibilities of that gets smaller for every year. What I see more as realistic is to make the most good out of that old "standard" that UNIX(-like) is. And to be fair, the connected world is growing more and more dystopic for every year. And the only ones that actually are doing anything real work against the cesspool of crap the IT-world has become is OpenBSD. Now. I am Swedish so I sometimes struggle to make my point in English. Just saying that to have a context when I say that we probably agree a lot more than it may sound. What I´m trying to get to is that I really think OpenBSD are the only ones that really gets the big problem. We could argue about whats the best platform. But the real solution is to start saying no to crappy stuff. My old example is Nvidia. Linus Torvalds gave the middle finger but it´s still "everybody´s welcome" in Linuxland. OpenBSD simply kicked all support out. And my biggest wish is for OpenBSD to get big enough to make more of a difference. Because the world would probably be a better place if we had less malicious companys beeing evil at their users. I think many in the Linux community are beeing hypocrates. They talk about "freedom" and "privacy". But still uses blobbed stuff and bad hardware. Malicious companies won´t listen to middle fingers. The only language they understand is beeing kicked in the rear by huge masses. And that´s not going to be solved by neither a "new OS" or more closed source kernel modules or "code of conducts". What we need is more of people that dares to actually say no to crap and bad privacy. And the only ones that I see really doing that is OpenBSD. And I think that´s the most important bit regardless of the platform.
And yes, I realize the irony of having this discussion on a platform like this... ;)
And for anyone that is still awake after reading this; I strongly suggest to have a go at trying OpenBSD. It´s our only hope for a sound internet. Or at least watch DT´s video about "sudo vs doas" or something. Maybe some of you should ask yourself, "If I´m using a systemd-distro with DRM, Nvidia drivers etc. What actually am I doing differently than the average Windows user?"
And yes, I am the hypocrate myself. I post on this platform and in the case of this post, I´m even doing it on a MacOS system. But at least, if we forget about the crappy company Apple is and how much stupid stuff they make. One thing that has never failed is their most stable bit. Their OS. I have a few special cases of customers needing to maintain software so old it only runs on old PPC hardware. In essence, I support some servers that has almost 20 years of service without any hickups. And that´s what I love about UNIX (if done properly). And actually. I don´t think the Linux community are doing it properly anymore.
If it ain´t broken, don´t fix it...
Thank you DIstroTube, because of your passion and pro guidance i started my adventure with Arch Linux also i love to watch your videos because they are very informative also your accent is perfect to understand. Cheers.
For the person that has an issue with rofi in i3, you have to add options to the rofi keybind in i3, you can't just bindsym exec rofi, you need to give it a show mode like drun or combi etc as well and then it works just fine. I love my rofi setup in my i3.
For DT, you like to advocate GNU Linux a lot but do you have any thoughts that I might have missed about distros that don't use GNU? Distros like Alpine that use busybox instead, or toybox or plan 9 etc? Also, I'm obviously not going to post a link here after what you said in the vid lol but have you ever tried out distrotest and if so what do you think of it as a way to get a look at a distro before downloading?
Great vid as always, keep up the great work.
Hey DT, debian is actually 100% free by default, there is a non-free repo (disabled by default) for proprietary software (linux non-libre, steam, nvidia, etc.)
I think the FSF-approved ones must not only be free by default, but not even offer access to non-free software through repositories.
Actually speaking of it: So does the firmware-linux-nonfree package or what its called contain the non free Linux firmware blobs? Never looked into that before
@@sigmundfreud4472 Yes, that's why debian is not FSF-approved, but i still consider it as a "free as in freedom" linux distribution by default.
Yes Debian compiles their own Kernel without the proprietary blobs(modules).
@@littlepeon Thanks, very interesting
Humm, out of over 800 videos I have watched, I have heard DT tell people to use Ubuntu! So I don't get that comment...
"I'm guessing that person needs to work it out.." Nice comment DT... LOL
Thanks for the video!
Keep the good stuff coming!
LLAP
Hey DT
You do a great job. Congrats and keep on!
About FreeBSD ... will you have a look at the USB bootable NomadBSD?
I have problems booting/installing it, maybe the "magician" could solve the trick!
Anime..?Genttoo? Mental Outlaw has infiltrated
DT, you are the greatest. Have always used Windows but your review of dystros and I switched to linux.
Tried numerous dystros and some twice. Finally settled on NETRUNNER KDE. PERFECT blend of GNU and terminal for learning.
Give it a review.
wow luke smith you changed a bit, look at all that equipment, what happened to no bloat?
can't be Luke... doesn't have sunglasses sitting on top of head!
Hey DT what do you think about linux lite?
DT you look like you get stressed too much reading the comments. Chill man. Thanks for all the videos and knowledge. I found you today. Now I will keep watching your videos. Greetings from Argentina.
Hey DT, what do you think about starting a podcast series together with Luke Smith? You could name it Bald & Beautiful
4:57 You wouldn't think that threats of violence would be a common occurrence underneath operating system videos.
@DistroTube The other about old UNIX was that they would ONLY run on the specific hardware made to run them, and that hardware was VERY costly. Today's Linux and BSD run on a crap ton more hardware than ever before. We are truly living in the good times for non-windows OS.
Love ur content!!!!
Hey DT , can you take a look into XMonad's Named Action , it shows your keybindings (Just like awesomewm) , it is a little complicated to configure , would help a lot . By the way thanks for making such good content.
Luke looks different in this video, maybe it's the lighting
Do you use stock android or a de-googled android?
All of the above. Work has a stock Android phone. Personally I have an older LGV20 with custom ROM, and last year got a pine phone to play with where you can physically turn off camera with a switch....
My 50 cents in comment. I would be interested in hearing a little bit of "why" you chose a particular comment to respond to, because I agree, some of this comments were really disconnected from context.
UNIX had its merits. But one of the main reasons, RMS imitated UNIX for GNU, was that it was one of the only portable operating systems. And that was quite essential, when it could take more than a decade, before your OS was completed.
At least we didn't need to wait for Hurd to be done. :)
according to the website, Hurd is complete(has been for about 5 yrs now) ..it just doesn't run well...
The last UNIX operating system is Solaris, BSD's are just Unix-like. Like you said, UNIX is proprietary.
Keep up the excellent content.
Hey distrotube, I'm a fan. Does Linux Mint have nonfree sections?
Is Chrome OS is closed source, isn’t that illegal because it’s based on Gentoo?
Hey DT, have you messed around with Plan 9?
PLease consider demanding hardware that are compatible with opensourced drivers. WHen you buy a PC, may be we need to think of this.
According to FSF, proprietary firmware is fine as long as it's preinstalled but updating it is not allowed anymore, so it goes to show how little sense their criteria make anyway. So sure, you can run Parabola but you'll end up with a ton of security vulnerabilities due to outdated firmware, while still running proprietary code regardless. Fedora really strives to be as libre as possible without compromising security, but even then it's not enough for the FSF.
Lets say there is a back door in those small code bits, is it possible for the hole system to be compromised?
yes.. exploits are found weekly/daily and patched.. that's why you should update your system regularly... they recently found an exploit in sudo that has been there for about 10yrs... about 10yrs ago they found malware hidden in openssl sourcecode...it was promptly removed....
The greatness about Linux is that you can SEE the code, so these exploits can be(if you have the knowledge) found and fixed. Windows has exploits, but believes that if nobody sees the code, they won't know how to exploit the system..the sheer number of Windows ransomware exploits proves this to be wrong.
10:00 its probably MentalOutlaw
Tip for 12:20: polybar menu if you want to use that
Hey DT, I made the switch from Windows to fedora , I still have to use Windows for work . Every time I go back to Windows the mouse feels different, and it takes a while to get accustomed to , and when I finally go back to Linux I have to get used to the mouse all over again. is there any tool to help out with this? TY
Are you talking about the pointer speed? If you are running the KDE interface, click on Start -> System Settings
On the left side, click on Input Devices.
On the right side, click on Mouse
On the right side, there is a slider to control the mouse speed.
At the bottom right, click on Apply.
Disappointing that you have to defend yourself from some commentors. You're out there, like many, just trying to help people understand that there are options available for everyone wanting alternatives to Windows and MacOSX.
I really enjoy watching and learning from your videos even more so because it's your hobby not part of your job.
Thank you DT 😸
I run my own VPN, i have noticed that YT will not add my comments unless i disconnect my device from my VPN.
I can confirm rofi works really well with i3
Hey DT, what do you think about FOSS games? Do you think more games should be free (free as in freedom)?
In addition - YT deletes comments entirely at random as well - some days im pretty sure they just dont get stored - ive had very innocent comments that just disappear after 3 mins or so multiple times and then stick an hour later.
Keep in mind you can install a OS with proprietary drivers and slowly remove proprietary drivers to figure out what breaks the install. Do this to your hearts content. To minimize proprietary drivers.
Hey, DT, when are you doing another Fast and Furious movie?
Hey DT, is there a possibility you'll check out and review Alpine Linux?
Hey DT,
Will you be making a video on the release of Neovim 0.5?
@Sampa Norein if i post a link, it'll probably be taken down :^). just search google for "neovim 0.5 milestone", and it should be the first result. originally, it was supposed to be ready some time in april, but it keeps getting posponed, and right now it says june 15. but, such is life, especially open source life ;-).
illumos distribution are considered modern Open source Unix even Freebsd guidelines says it's descendant of Unix but doesn't contain the AT & T bell labs System V code they have abandoned due to licensing issues of Unix so after BSD 4.4 it become it's own family
Even Sun Solaris or Oracle Unix was created by mixing system V and BSD code
2:05 well chrome os is mostly open source as chromium os, in the same way chrome is mostly open source as chromium.
according to their own website and press materials: "Most of Chrome's source code comes from Google's free and open-source software project Chromium, but Chrome is licensed as proprietary freeware."
@@debianswami8204> in the same way chrome is mostly open source as chromium.
Hey DT, you said that you get some comments from Reddit. Why don't you try out Lemmy, it's an open-source federated alternative to Reddit. I recommend you should really check that out. Thanks
DT is actually thicc Luke from 10 years in the future.
Well, when I read the books on BSD Unix and they explain its history, they are basically a compatible re-write of AT&T (Bell Labs) Unix - so that they could get to a code base that could be freely shared under the Berkley license terms. So its code base origin is not unlike Linux kernel and the GNU tools. Of course everyone knows that the BSD Unix got bogged down in a law suit from AT&T's company that sold their commercial Unix, and that allowed Linux to come in and fill that temporary vacuum and effectively leap frog BSD Unix.
0:22 why do you promote gnu/linux distributions that do not follow the gnu free system distribution guidelines, like ubuntu, manjaro, and others?
2:51 I made a comment and that comment is gone. did it go to spam, or did you actually delete it? I did not write anything which would warrant deletion
5:41 do you prefer upsteam configs or cooked (customized by distributions) configs for wm configurations?
7:22 you seem to make a lot of mistakes in you videos. how much do you really know about linux?
7:41 you say freebsd is unix-like operating system. that is wrong. freebsd is unix.
9:28 I see you've started using anime/meme thumbnails, it's a little more interesting and should attract more views. but i'm curious do you like them?
10:58 what are your thoughts on compiling software from source? do you recommend it?
12:08 I have a question. how do you get menus for shutdown, restart and logout on window manager? I was using rofi before, but i3 doesnt play well with rofi. any suggestions?
13:26 that's funny to me, because people like you discourage convenience in favor of obscure software "minimalism" by endlessly memeing the bloated software and distribution supremacy, eg. dont use ubuntu install gentoo and then wonder why linux community is so divisive.
yay! timestamps... this comment needs to be pinned to the top!
hmm speaking of compiling from source, sometimes the binary which the OS provides might be missing some flags
Hey DT, are you Brodie Robertson's uncle?
5:10 - Threats of violence on a technology/Linux channel? Internet is a bizarre place indeed.
Please make a video on tracktion waveform installation 🙏🙏
Hey D.T. Your wearing my favourite shirt
Thanks DT for this show.
DT is probably the least devisive Linux youtuber. I always hear him respecting choice and subjective preferences of users, unlike some other youtubers.
BSD when all said and done has one major and important difference between it and any variant of Linux, Linus is a kernel and drivers not an operating system per se distros add that functionality and they all differ wheras BSD is a total operating system that is a turnkey install from one source and so more stable and longer term supported.
Linux on the other hand when all said and done Distro's come and go it can be cutting edge and there are some long term support options but that means it cannot be cutting edge and is in fact closer to a BSD Operating system being a turnkey installation with some form of long term stability involved.
11:04
virgin Gentoo: *nooooooo binaries are bad!!! only source is the real power!!!*
virgin Arch: *noooooo compiling from source is bad!!! is takes years to compile one small app!!!*
the chad Slackware: both of them are good
Gentoo offers some software binaries in the repository tho
When downloading from the AUR, a lot of times you're compiling from source though
Wow! that comment about you preferring gentoo over ubuntu.. I hope this person is not that unpleasant in real life.. poor family..
For FreeBSD (or other BSDs) to be called UNIX it needs to pay a licence fee. It is already UNIX and POSIX compliant. Apple paid for OS X to be featuring a UNIX trademark.
I'm not that old, and can only hearsay talk about it, but the internet seems to think "The BSD variants are descendants of UNIX developed by the University of California at Berkeley with UNIX source code from Bell Labs. However, the BSD code base has evolved since then, replacing all of the AT&T code."
2:00
Actually, macOS and Chrome OS aren't 100% proprietary. Large parts of macOS are FOSS (e.g. the Darwin base OS (licensed under www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#apsl2 ), which includes some components from BSD), and Chrome OS is based on Chromium OS (free distro), which in turn is based on Gentoo.
Also, Windows's calculator app is FOSS.
Powershell too ?
isn't unix just a name for posix compliant oses
The idea of some small parts of code being proprietary can be misleading in the Linux community. Full proprietary operating systems, (Windows, Mac OS, Chromebook), these usually are phoning home with your personal data. The stigma exists in the realm of proprietary code mixed into Linux, "Is this stuff collecting data?"
"is it better to compile software from source? No"
Gentoo users: *angry crying noises*
This is a deeper philosophical questions. FOSS also has a dark side where it encourages freelancers to make worse and more byzantine code, because then they gain hegemony over the codebase for those who are willing to pay them to update the code. So FOSS doesn't really mean free. For many companies, it's more expensive than just getting a Microsoft product. Let that sink in.
ChromeOS is not 100% proprietary. It's most of the source is available as ChromiumOS.
unix is kind of like the great great great grandfather of all unix like operating systems
Luke's voice is kinda weird in this video...
..........and missing his sunglasses!
Unfortunately people are arrogant and care more about what's what and being right instead of helping each other. I always watch myself to make sure I don't come off as arrogant in anyway.
I think it's extremely arrogant of you to paint everyone in the Linux community like that, to be perfectly honest. How come you think you're better than everyone else then?
Arrogant by saying that :)
I mean the questions are poorly executed and over used. But really BSD is more or rather closer to Unix. Linux is a mess and if not for having some good people and goals, well. It is simply a dumpster fire. But that is BSD just as guilty in being.
I mean if Windows 7 was the Windows 10 of today, I think most of us had left Linux.
I mean sure there was allot of improvements in Windows pre 8 needed. And making it more open and a descent light powerful layer for applications we make run on it. That had really made Linux be out of the game here. Since that had made WIndows just a abstraction from the hardware we use. Making software running on top of that the open freedom place to be at.
O I pay for that version of Windows. But that is not Windows today. They sell our data for money instead of making it the open and safe place to "live" in. No way to trust them in anything sadly looking at Windows 10.
And any sign of Windows in OUR open source stuff needs to be stopped for the grater good for people that actually exist. Companies are not doing good for people. They are simply as a side effect helping people even if they do not want to.
Why Ubuntu SysD or whatever is a problem. God sake we got M$ on the Linux seats...
And on top of that have we replaced PC viruses for people, people involved in computers that make political messes and stuff ruining the things we got in open source. Teamwork free safe non discriminating open and not governed by a single entity. We just want that. Code to run computers. Not code that link back or do not work without this hole baggage of complex and creeping to take over the systems we run. Trying to put fingers where they should not be just to have a say over what others do or do not do. It is fabricated way of owning OUR open source freedom. That is what Linux is bad at. And it is worrying.
Linux is not the only kernel. And that is good. The End.
@@TheDiner50 I stopped reading at the point you said "Arrogant by saying that". That's fine, if you consider me arrogant then we've nothing further to discuss. Sorry you wasted your time writing the rest of it, I hope someone else reads it.
Not that anything a stranger on the Internet says to me could ever provoke a negative reaction from me, but if you want to engage someone's attention with a comment then start with an intelligent opening, not an attempt at an insult.
Try harder in future and frame your points better.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 That's gotta be bait lmfao
@@valentinidk6101 I'm not baiting, I am simply asking some questions. It always amuses me that people think that they can ascribe certain emotions to the way people write messages when written text is extremely bad at communicating nuance.
If you've never met me but you then extrapolate an image of me inside your head, purely from what I right here, then, that's fine - it's your brain, do what you like.
But if you create that image in your brain and then complain to me that I am being arrogant or that I'm angry, then that's the sign of mental instability. Why is an image that you make in your brain somehow my problem?
If your brain creates an image that you can't deal with on your own, then you need to have some psychotherapy, because the whole idea of psychotherapy is to help you deal with what's inside you head.
🤣 I am not luke smith
Luke... I am your father.....come join with me and we will rule the Empire together........
DT is correct. FreeBSD is BSD Unix, not UNIX(r). A thing known as the Unix Wars happened in the 80s and 90s. Most of the real UNIX(r) operating systems were very expensive, had very restrictive licenses, ran on hardware that can cost as much as a nice house and were in no way free or open source. Most of those are now extinct for one reason or another so it is just some pedantic trivia in 2021, but at one time this was a really important issue.
Fake it till you make it! You bet your Ass!! Hahahahahaha
again those discussions.. sometimes proprietary is not bad.. it also does not interfere with the UNIX mindset. Keep in mind UNIX is also (apart from some copies) non-free. So if you want to use lets say spotify or play counter strike you have to deal with it and that is ok. Some people live from creating those applications and not everytime it works to have it open source mostly when you are not offering it as a service
FreeBSD is Unix, it just can't be called that for legal reasons. It could do that and Solaris has because Oracle cares for some reason, but it would just be a hassle and not worth it. Still, it is a direct descendant from Unix. GNU/Linux on the other hand is a Unix-compatible clone.
Basically, there is a process that you can go through to be a certified Unix, it's just that no one bothers doing it because it's not worth it.
hey dt
why you dont use sowm because dwm is bloat
Freebsd is the younger brother
of UNIX. Linux is the cousin of UNIX.
Plan9 is also UNIX. Yet it is not UNIX.
Iirc its POSIX compliant but not anything else
@@pacc0698 Windows is probably more POSIX compliant than any Plan 9 distribution. They have a POSIX environment "APE: (A Posix Environment)" to help port Unix/Posix software, but frankly, it's not very up to modern POSIX standards.
Chrome os is based on chromium os. Chromium os is open source. Chrome Os is less propietery than Windows and Mac Os.
The BSD's are Basically At&t Unix without a little piece of paper saying that they are Officially Unix. But None of that Really matters in my opinion anymore because OpenVMS Kicks UNIX's Ass!
*FreeBSD is great!*
Hey, DT. Why do people keep asking you stupid questions when they can just go and look up the answers on an Internet search?
But you should care, what we write. (pepe.jpg)
I'll be fully using linux when linux gaming is just as good and seamless as gaming on windows, meanwhile I'll keep using linux only for enthusiast stuff and ethical hacking.