What would YOU do with 8♥ 8♣ on the flop? Your Stack (BB): $14,400 Their Stacks (UTG & UTG+3): $30,400 & $2,200 Pot: $2,000 Board: Q♠ 7♣ 5♦ You check, UTG bets $550, UTG+3 calls A) Fold B) Call C) Raise to $1,100 D) Raise to $2,600
I would call. Knowing I should probably fold. That's why I'm a losing player, I do things I know I shouldn't, just to see if my opponents are full of shit or not.
Jonathan, what a silly title: "Is Doug Polk Ever Bluffing Here?" No one needs to watch your video to tell you that, ya Doug absofruitly, most definitely, without a doubt has a bluff here cause he's a golden god and has a bluff everywhere. Yesterday I found one of Doug's bluffs in my basement behind the water heater.
10:45 your point about the fact that there’s still a lot of money left to go in meaning you’ll under-realise is a great point id never thought about before. Love your vids!
I think Doug sized down on the turn because of DQ's stack size - wants to make sure he can re-raise over the top in case DZ goes all in and the poker traveller just flats.
I feel like this would be a channel I would watch a lot even if I didn’t want to get good at poker. This stuff is entertaining. I’m surprised Jonathan doesn’t have more followers.
Is the 600 raise from 88 preflop the right size? Seems it's too small since out of position. Would love to see a video about how to play SB and BB when there's a straddle.
Dear prof ... they were playing the "72" game that night and Sir Polk had already ran a successful 72 bluff already ... the traveller was no having it.
With a person who has a low vpip, and bets. folding 8's sucks but as Cairo said. The quickest way to go broke is to never allow yourself to be bluffed.
B. That's a Call, with the 88. It's cheap and Folding after Calling the Raise pre-flop would be just BAD poker. The 1400 Call on the Turn with 88 by Poker Traveler is just too expensive. Make it Cheap or get Out...
The overbet makes it so that Polk would have to have a lot of bluffs to make a call profitable, especially since 88 won't beat any value hands at all while something like KQ or AQ would at least beat QJ or QT which might try for thin value depending on the table reads.
Easiest fold ever on the river. Not blocking any value, and blocking bluffs. You're at the rock bottom of your range facing a bet over 4x pot. What's there to even think about?
13:00 If you've come this far with the 8s I think this is a very reasonable call. Turn and river look very good for you. Doug wouldn't have just called with QQ preflop. He'd never bet a medium strength hand like this. IMO he can only have 77, 55, 75, and an assortment of bluffs. Polk knows his range has a ton of bluffs, which is why he can bet this big. If his range was mostly strong hands and very few bluffs he'd bet small. So, both Doug and PT know Doug has a lot of bluffs in his range. Is 40% or more of his range bluffs? Questionable, but again, this is what PT knew he might have to face when he called flop and turn. He called thinking he was good. If he was good, he's still good.
Hmm I hadn't thought about blockers, but if PT is thinking he blocks bluffs, all the more reason to fold the flop in the first place. Call, call, fold on a run out like this is a horrible line.
Folding, we'll be up against better hands or maybe straight draws, but both of them having one is really low, they'd be blocking each other, we're blocking them and with DQ's stack, you probably shouldn't call with a draw and we won't have position and underrealize equity
I think I can safely fold here. One of the other two hands is likely to have a Queen or better. If I do stay in the hand I think I need to reraise and try to get someone out of the pot and I can run a successful bluff.
5:40 HU I like to get a little sticky here, even though that seems to lose me more money than I win, but vs 2 opponents there's just too much chance you are drawing to 2 outs and will have to pay to get to showdown. Easy fold imo.
I’m a very player dependent decision maker. Here, with no information, what am I hoping for if I stick around, an 8, maybe Doug’s gonna shut down if I call??? You said Doug’s been playing tight…I’m folding here.
@@PokerCoaching yeah, I get it. We all play jusnk hands sometimes for fun. But it is a bit too much of a raise to have fun, don't you think so? I mean, he got lucky, literally, but from now on any young poker player who think of himself as a pro, haha, would jump into the pot with any junk because they saw Doug Polk doing it. Doesn't it bother you as a poker coach?
Pocket pairs make lousy bluff catchers. With DQ in the hand I would just fold. If DQ had folded I would peel once but would fold to future aggression if I don't at least pick up a gutshot on the turn. I think all raise options are a little crazy with the short stack in the hand.
middle pairs though technically good hands can be hard to play... also does anyone have any video recommendations on Small Blind Play (cash games)? My SB play sucks and I actaully lose more money from the small then the big! It's been cutting my winrate more than in half. Thanks!
Wait he’s playing at the card room that he owns? Just curious if this place has a rake or if it’s a time-based fee. Interesting dynamic if it’s a rake, as he’s incentivized to splash around to maximize the card room’s profits.
As a beginner...I'm simply not interested in calling jams when I can't even match top pair. Actually, as a beginner, I wouldn't even consider calling the turn with 88. None of which means I'm a passive player -- I try not to be.
Passive doesn’t imply you check-fold too much, it implies you check-call too much in my mind. I think for a beginner folding the flop is by far the best option tbh. When it goes bet-call you’re so rarely good and your oop.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj I would call the flop for a reasonably sized bet (let than half pot, or maybe slightly larger if I felt the bettor continue bets too much. I think your advice is good for a small stakes beginner. Thanks.
Looking at DQ’s stack size, it looks like the graphics may be wrong? It looks like he has at least $5k-ish going to the flop? Also, from what I have seen from DQ, I would assume he actually has more than was listed on screen. He clearly isn’t as deep as Poker Traveler, though.
With the 8-8 I’m going for $1,100 raise. I would have to put value on my 8s but dealing with Polk this might be a mistake so if he re-raise I definitely fold.
The problem with the Raise as you suggested, is that you will have a hard time maneuvering, if the wrong cards come on the Flop. A pair of 8 is what it is. .... What do you do on the Flop ?? I always as one should, try to lay a battle plan if I'm to get involved with a medium Pair. Raising as you suggested just to set your foot down, can be costly if you get determined on the Turn..River. It's easy to be blinded by "The Fog Of War..." Even in Poker.
I fold for a number of reasons. In multiway pots you have to play much tighter. We block loads of hands that would bet this flop that we are ahead of. If an 8 comes our opponents makes a load of nut hands; there is basically no good run-out for us. We are out of position.
With both of them calling, 88s probably should fold, any big cards come on the turn is bad, and smaller cards will help those on draws. If heads up it would be way different but with a bet and a call well I would feel like your touching your money so to me it's a fold or you re raise right now big and try and take it down. Calling is not an option
Haven't read the comments, but folding 88 on flop at that price is ridiculous. The flop analysis didn't consider all the one pair hands we are beating, only mentioned bluffs
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj Sure, so the flop analysis is “no worse hand ever bets for value, all draws always bet, and they do so with this tiny amount, we fold getting 5 to 1 closing the action”? Might as well fold out of turn then?
Can someone explain to me how the owners are allowed to play at their own casino? I thought if you even worked as a low level employee you weren’t allowed to gamble where you worked
I'm just calling the flop and seeing if the turn changes anything. we're getting the right implied odds I think to spike an 8 or turn a straight draw and depending on if/how much Doug bets we can easily fold when we miss or continue if we improve and have the right odds to peel again. Doug can easily be betting with a 76s just as well here so sometimes we still have the best hand on the flop
On the river... we want to block trips or boats. Here we block bluffs and we don't block nuts. We really want to have a 5, 7 or Q. Literally every seven is a better bluff catcher than 88.
I’m pretty sure deep out of position and multiway, a pocket under-pair should fold. You have terrible odds to improve when behind, are easily drawn out upon, and have crap equity realization. I would far prefer to have something like 76 of diamonds on this board over 88. A. Fold
Yeah I’m just folding flop when it goes bet, call and feeling good about it. If Doug is bluffing with a splashy, short stack left to act behind him then good luck to him.
Poker traveller was the preflop 3 better, so surely he C-bets the flop with most of his Qx hands? If that’s the case he doesn’t have many Qx in his range once he checks flop. I agree that 7x is a better hand to call with than 88 though.
tbf its hard to put Doug on 75, Q5 because they shouldn't be in the hand, hes probably thinking pocket 7s or AK as bluff. If he had AQ he doesnt shove here so he knows its full house or fuck all. Even A5 doesnt shove for value I dont think
I would call on the flop With my hand I block one of the most realistic Bluff that Polk would have Being 89 of clubs so having said that he either most likely has a queen or nothing when doug flats pre-flop It’s kind a hard to put them on something that beats your eights he probably three bets Pocket nine’s and up also probably three bets Queen king queen Jack definitely three betts A queen Once again especially because he flats pre-flop with the caller behind them I know he short stack and you’re worried about him shoving but with a raised to 600 you three bet should be 1800 to 2000 which puts the small stack pretty much all online but as deep as the 88 are You’re definitely getting a call from him and your in position and your doug polk you have to do think you can out play him post flop. So without him three betting pre-flop you definitely have to call on the flop I don’t like a raise especially into a multi way pot mandatory call. Big fan Mr. little I think that you explain things in a way that is easier for beginning players through intermediate players to understand congrats on the second Place finish
I'd probably fold. If D.q.folded I might back raise but at least call to see the turn... that being said I've watched them play a few times and they play 7 - 2 game sometimes so if there playing that here I can see poker travler calling thinking Doug hit the 7 trying to bluff for the win..
oh yeah raise for sure jonathan.... no im not a fucking idiot. Call or fold but lean towards call, sadly doug will usually just have a queen or better with maybe some high equity bluffs here a lot but mdf will probably tell you to call.
I would fold. With a bet and a call i dont see anything else we really can do on this texture as if we call the only card we are particular happy to see is an 8 which even then allows 64 to get there.
Once DQ calls 88 is an easy fold I think. Likely not the best hand at this point and has very little way to improve. Additionally even if it has high enough equity to call the small sizing it will be very hard for it to actualize.
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What would YOU do with 8♥ 8♣ on the flop?
Your Stack (BB): $14,400
Their Stacks (UTG & UTG+3): $30,400 & $2,200
Pot: $2,000
Board: Q♠ 7♣ 5♦
You check, UTG bets $550, UTG+3 calls
A) Fold
B) Call
C) Raise to $1,100
D) Raise to $2,600
Standard Call vs small sizing
I'd call, folding seems too nitty vs that small raise even with the cold caller. I'd probably have led out though.
I would call. Knowing I should probably fold. That's why I'm a losing player, I do things I know I shouldn't, just to see if my opponents are full of shit or not.
I fold. Odds that someone has a Q or better is high.
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Jonathan, what a silly title: "Is Doug Polk Ever Bluffing Here?" No one needs to watch your video to tell you that, ya Doug absofruitly, most definitely, without a doubt has a bluff here cause he's a golden god and has a bluff everywhere. Yesterday I found one of Doug's bluffs in my basement behind the water heater.
10:45 your point about the fact that there’s still a lot of money left to go in meaning you’ll under-realise is a great point id never thought about before. Love your vids!
I think Doug sized down on the turn because of DQ's stack size - wants to make sure he can re-raise over the top in case DZ goes all in and the poker traveller just flats.
Doug is never bluffing, but he also never has it.
I'd suggest vs this type of player you could bet, call, raise or fold. All options make sense.
I feel like this would be a channel I would watch a lot even if I didn’t want to get good at poker. This stuff is entertaining. I’m surprised Jonathan doesn’t have more followers.
Fantastic to see these uploads.
No joke, Jonathan is how I'm paying for college. Thanks boss
Happy to hear that :)
Is the 600 raise from 88 preflop the right size? Seems it's too small since out of position. Would love to see a video about how to play SB and BB when there's a straddle.
Dear prof ... they were playing the "72" game that night and Sir Polk had already ran a successful 72 bluff already ... the traveller was no having it.
With a person who has a low vpip, and bets. folding 8's sucks but as Cairo said. The quickest way to go broke is to never allow yourself to be bluffed.
B. That's a Call, with the 88.
It's cheap and Folding after Calling the Raise pre-flop would be just BAD poker.
The 1400 Call on the Turn with 88 by Poker Traveler is just too expensive. Make it Cheap or get Out...
The overbet makes it so that Polk would have to have a lot of bluffs to make a call profitable, especially since 88 won't beat any value hands at all while something like KQ or AQ would at least beat QJ or QT which might try for thin value depending on the table reads.
spiking an 8 on the flop would be about 1 in 24 times instead of 1 in 20 yes?
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0:00 I can already say the answer is "yes." Polk is always trying to keep bluffs in his range.
first I fold and than I fold again. River decision: I dont see to many logical bluffs so realy seems a easy fold (just like on flop and turn)
Easiest fold ever on the river. Not blocking any value, and blocking bluffs. You're at the rock bottom of your range facing a bet over 4x pot. What's there to even think about?
13:00 If you've come this far with the 8s I think this is a very reasonable call. Turn and river look very good for you. Doug wouldn't have just called with QQ preflop. He'd never bet a medium strength hand like this. IMO he can only have 77, 55, 75, and an assortment of bluffs. Polk knows his range has a ton of bluffs, which is why he can bet this big. If his range was mostly strong hands and very few bluffs he'd bet small.
So, both Doug and PT know Doug has a lot of bluffs in his range. Is 40% or more of his range bluffs? Questionable, but again, this is what PT knew he might have to face when he called flop and turn. He called thinking he was good. If he was good, he's still good.
Hmm I hadn't thought about blockers, but if PT is thinking he blocks bluffs, all the more reason to fold the flop in the first place. Call, call, fold on a run out like this is a horrible line.
One additional thought too, is Doug is betting into two players on the flop and turn. Which makes it more difficult to run a bluff.
Folding, we'll be up against better hands or maybe straight draws, but both of them having one is really low, they'd be blocking each other, we're blocking them and with DQ's stack, you probably shouldn't call with a draw and we won't have position and underrealize equity
Call. I have this bad habit of giving my money away by wanting to see if I hit my set on the turn.
I think I can safely fold here. One of the other two hands is likely to have a Queen or better. If I do stay in the hand I think I need to reraise and try to get someone out of the pot and I can run a successful bluff.
Random question but what did you want to be before becoming a poker pro
Since it's multiway I would fold the 88.
5:40 HU I like to get a little sticky here, even though that seems to lose me more money than I win, but vs 2 opponents there's just too much chance you are drawing to 2 outs and will have to pay to get to showdown. Easy fold imo.
I’m a very player dependent decision maker. Here, with no information, what am I hoping for if I stick around, an 8, maybe Doug’s gonna shut down if I call???
You said Doug’s been playing tight…I’m folding here.
Please, explain, how a GTO player ends up playing any game with these stakes from UTG with 75s?!
Just because someone has great GTO knowledge doesn't mean they never splash around and have some fun with it!
@@PokerCoaching yeah, I get it. We all play jusnk hands sometimes for fun. But it is a bit too much of a raise to have fun, don't you think so? I mean, he got lucky, literally, but from now on any young poker player who think of himself as a pro, haha, would jump into the pot with any junk because they saw Doug Polk doing it. Doesn't it bother you as a poker coach?
Pocket pairs make lousy bluff catchers. With DQ in the hand I would just fold. If DQ had folded I would peel once but would fold to future aggression if I don't at least pick up a gutshot on the turn. I think all raise options are a little crazy with the short stack in the hand.
middle pairs though technically good hands can be hard to play... also does anyone have any video recommendations on Small Blind Play (cash games)? My SB play sucks and I actaully lose more money from the small then the big! It's been cutting my winrate more than in half. Thanks!
I'm folding 8's here almost all the time. I may continue here if the player acting before me folds. I certainly can't over call here.
How do we get value on river from traveller this type of players with such strong hands, and if he jams should we fold
With pocket 8's I would fold. I Wouldn't like the idea of three in the hand and presume someone has a queen.
Im going to go ahead and say yes since Polk is a GTO god.
Wait he’s playing at the card room that he owns? Just curious if this place has a rake or if it’s a time-based fee. Interesting dynamic if it’s a rake, as he’s incentivized to splash around to maximize the card room’s profits.
Membership based club and hourly seat fee. Rake is illegal in Texas.
I'm folding the 8s and I'm sad about it in-game.
Probably a) fold, I could see merit to a call, but the river and turn that played out is exactly why you want to get off the pot.
lol love ya bro can not call even with pocket aces doug gave away his strength when he ask what he had left i think
As a beginner...I'm simply not interested in calling jams when I can't even match top pair. Actually, as a beginner, I wouldn't even consider calling the turn with 88. None of which means I'm a passive player -- I try not to be.
Passive doesn’t imply you check-fold too much, it implies you check-call too much in my mind.
I think for a beginner folding the flop is by far the best option tbh. When it goes bet-call you’re so rarely good and your oop.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj I would call the flop for a reasonably sized bet (let than half pot, or maybe slightly larger if I felt the bettor continue bets too much. I think your advice is good for a small stakes beginner. Thanks.
Looking at DQ’s stack size, it looks like the graphics may be wrong? It looks like he has at least $5k-ish going to the flop?
Also, from what I have seen from DQ, I would assume he actually has more than was listed on screen.
He clearly isn’t as deep as Poker Traveler, though.
With the 8-8 I’m going for $1,100 raise. I would have to put value on my 8s but dealing with Polk this might be a mistake so if he re-raise I definitely fold.
The problem with the Raise as you suggested, is that you will have a hard time maneuvering, if the wrong cards come on the Flop. A pair of 8 is what it is. ....
What do you do on the Flop ??
I always as one should, try to lay a battle plan if I'm to get involved with a medium Pair.
Raising as you suggested just to set your foot down, can be costly if you get determined on the Turn..River.
It's easy to be blinded by "The Fog Of War..."
Even in Poker.
I fold for a number of reasons. In multiway pots you have to play much tighter. We block loads of hands that would bet this flop that we are ahead of. If an 8 comes our opponents makes a load of nut hands; there is basically no good run-out for us. We are out of position.
With both of them calling, 88s probably should fold, any big cards come on the turn is bad, and smaller cards will help those on draws. If heads up it would be way different but with a bet and a call well I would feel like your touching your money so to me it's a fold or you re raise right now big and try and take it down. Calling is not an option
D. Pretty dry flop. It would be hard for everything less than Qx to continue to a check raise.
Haven't read the comments, but folding 88 on flop at that price is ridiculous. The flop analysis didn't consider all the one pair hands we are beating, only mentioned bluffs
Most players aren’t betting 7x or 5x on the flop though. They’ll just check behind trying to get to showdown.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj Sure, so the flop analysis is “no worse hand ever bets for value, all draws always bet, and they do so with this tiny amount, we fold getting 5 to 1 closing the action”? Might as well fold out of turn then?
Can someone explain to me how the owners are allowed to play at their own casino? I thought if you even worked as a low level employee you weren’t allowed to gamble where you worked
Correct for some places, but not all.
@@PokerCoaching thanks I have never played I just like watching and don’t really know anything about how casinos work
Depends on the state's law.
Fold the 88 but it's Texas so who knows
The moral to this story: stop check / calling out of position. DQ needs to fold or reraise the turn, then of course fold to Doug's all-in.
Yeah but i do not think the guy knows whats up ...
I'm just calling the flop and seeing if the turn changes anything. we're getting the right implied odds I think to spike an 8 or turn a straight draw and depending on if/how much Doug bets we can easily fold when we miss or continue if we improve and have the right odds to peel again. Doug can easily be betting with a 76s just as well here so sometimes we still have the best hand on the flop
It’s Doug Polk, so I would guess that he could be bluffing anywhere.
I fold this all day but for the wrong reasons. Thanks for the education JL!
Any time!
It really depends on the opponents. In most cases its a fold but you can mix in some calls against some opponents. NEVER raise tho 😊
On the river... we want to block trips or boats. Here we block bluffs and we don't block nuts. We really want to have a 5, 7 or Q. Literally every seven is a better bluff catcher than 88.
I'd call it's an okay hand not a great hand, but if Polk re-raises then fold.
I’m pretty sure deep out of position and multiway, a pocket under-pair should fold. You have terrible odds to improve when behind, are easily drawn out upon, and have crap equity realization. I would far prefer to have something like 76 of diamonds on this board over 88.
A. Fold
Yeah I’m just folding flop when it goes bet, call and feeling good about it. If Doug is bluffing with a splashy, short stack left to act behind him then good luck to him.
Just fold. You can have Q’s to call with. You can even call with some 7xs, since they block sets and two pairs and can improve more easily on the turn
Poker traveller was the preflop 3 better, so surely he C-bets the flop with most of his Qx hands? If that’s the case he doesn’t have many Qx in his range once he checks flop.
I agree that 7x is a better hand to call with than 88 though.
tbf its hard to put Doug on 75, Q5 because they shouldn't be in the hand, hes probably thinking pocket 7s or AK as bluff. If he had AQ he doesnt shove here so he knows its full house or fuck all. Even A5 doesnt shove for value I dont think
I would call on the flop With my hand I block one of the most realistic Bluff that Polk would have Being 89 of clubs so having said that he either most likely has a queen or nothing when doug flats pre-flop It’s kind a hard to put them on something that beats your eights he probably three bets Pocket nine’s and up also probably three bets Queen king queen Jack definitely three betts A queen Once again especially because he flats pre-flop with the caller behind them I know he short stack and you’re worried about him shoving but with a raised to 600 you three bet should be 1800 to 2000 which puts the small stack pretty much all online but as deep as the 88 are You’re definitely getting a call from him and your in position and your doug polk you have to do think you can out play him post flop. So without him three betting pre-flop you definitely have to call on the flop I don’t like a raise especially into a multi way pot mandatory call. Big fan Mr. little I think that you explain things in a way that is easier for beginning players through intermediate players to understand congrats on the second Place finish
Fold or call
I would call
I'd probably fold. If D.q.folded I might back raise but at least call to see the turn... that being said I've watched them play a few times and they play 7 - 2 game sometimes so if there playing that here I can see poker travler calling thinking Doug hit the 7 trying to bluff for the win..
raise to 2600
B call
oh yeah raise for sure jonathan.... no im not a fucking idiot. Call or fold but lean towards call, sadly doug will usually just have a queen or better with maybe some high equity bluffs here a lot but mdf will probably tell you to call.
I'd fold the pocket 8s
Fold
I'd fold w/ the pocket 8's
Call all day
I would fold. With a bet and a call i dont see anything else we really can do on this texture as if we call the only card we are particular happy to see is an 8 which even then allows 64 to get there.
DQ lcs 32% of his stack off with 63s. What a >
Call... should have folded the turn.
Fold the pocket 8‘s - since two people are willing to invest money on this flop, my marginal hand should not be good anymore.
let it go pocket 8s is useless
if you dont hit it on the flop
That's why he lost 75k
Id call
Folding 88 here horrible
What, on the river? Or on the flop? River is a snap fold surely?
Flat
A
Just flat call..
FOLD
no
call with88
Once DQ calls 88 is an easy fold I think. Likely not the best hand at this point and has very little way to improve. Additionally even if it has high enough equity to call the small sizing it will be very hard for it to actualize.
Fold
Fold