The Paradox Of Great Guitar Tone
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In this video, I talk to session guitar legend Tim Pierce about the "paradox" to great guitar tone. Tim shares a studio secret to help us get huge guitar sounds at home.
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This is actually how I learned to play right out of the gate. My uncle was my first guitar hero and teacher. He gave me a very small amp and said it would only sound good if it was turned almost all the way up. Basically he said every amp has it's sweet spot and once you find it set it there and use your guitar and your picking for everything after that. He also said if I didn't want my Mom constantly yelling at me to turn it down, I better learn to play soft and learn to play actual songs.
Smart uncle.
Unparalleled advice
Good stuff...... nails it.
Should have more likes
@@jayandgem what?
I am a complete newbie/beginner...5 months into my journey. I hated they way I sounded...kinda like 2 cats fighting in a tin can. Guitar all the way up and amp turned WAY down (turned up amp = really mad wife). So I tried this today during my practice routine...turn the guitar down a bit, play softly but with the amp turned up pretty loud...what a HUGE difference in tone! THANKS RHETT and TIM...wow!
10:55 Before; anemic tone
11:36 Output tubes dialed
11:55 Preamp tubes dialed
12:46 Output tubes excessively driven
never been good at that whole picking softly on high volumes thing.
What I've often found though is that having the volume of the guitar at like 5 or something instead of at 10 and then turning up the master volume of the amp really helps to get a bigger feeling sound without actually being much louder.
there's a lot of "tone" often trapped in that master knob when it's set to bedroom levels at about 2-3 with a dimed pre amp.
This user comment is the one line answer to what this long and confusing video was supposed to be like. Emma, thanks for the simple clarification!
@@gibfen1235 all of his videos have misleading titles & he rarely says anything profound in any of them, but they're usually quite entertaining anyways!
This is Not meant to be disrespectful
The reason why is because you lose Bass and Resonance when the master is turned down. While it is true that tone is defined in the preamp, It's power and projection is the master. In other words the true force of your EQ is in the Master.
You also have the capability to give yourself a boost and/or some extra grit with just a little pinky roll. Almost all guitarists start dialing in their amp with the instrument's volume (and tone) maxed... and they've got nowhere to go from there.
Then they spend the next 20 years buying four hundred different boost and overdrive pedals... 🤣
My neighbors are going to love me trying this out. :[]
My neighbours dont need to step up, my family will have already thrown me out before my neighbours get barely inconvenienced
ya i felt your pain plenty
Yeah, me too. Especially with my blues deluxe reissue
I love you trying it out
Some amps are now coming out with two “volume knobs” so you can overpower the amp but control the volume output so you can still get that sound without the volume turned all the way up. I’m pretty sure the boss katana is one of the first to do this but I could be wrong.
Mark Knofler does this flawlessly on Brothers in Arms.
I could never figure out why my sound was so lackluster. It almost doesn’t matter what you play when you don’t have good tone. This helped so much.
62 years young, and emersing myself in the L.A. music scene since the early 70's, Rhett and Tim Pierce still school me every time I watch their videos. You're both a blessing to me. As you said Rhett. What a free goldmine of knowledge from amazing guitar masters like you and Tim.
Kurtiss L. (CJ)
Awesome post
Here's a fun fact. Some guy who knew Jimi Hendrix said to him, 'wanna try out my guitar and amp?' and Jimi starts getting all those classic Jimi tones and sounds out of this guy's set up, he asks him, how are you doing that?, Jimi says 'here, look' and he had the amp all the way up, and the volume knob on the guitar all the way down.
A good player knows how to get his guitar to sing, a great player knows how to get his amp to sing 🙏
@@builderphill1361 So true, in actuality you are playing both the amplifier and the guitar together.
That’s how I used to run my AC30! Low input normal channel gunned with my guitar volume on like 2-3
I'm a beginner (playing for 7 months) and just recently figured this out.
@@ricksanchezito8972 Out of interest , how did you figure this out ?
Rhett, I appreciate you taking your time to pay forward to us parlor players what Tim Pierce has shared with you. I try to incorporate what you, Tim, Rick Beato and others put out there for us. Thank you for the effort you make to spread the wealth to all of us who love making music. God Bless...
What a superb tutorial video. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and experiences Rhett. I have been on the guitar learning journey for 20 years now, I’m 65 and this has been a major step up in my understanding. 👍😎
Great video, you two make everything so much easier to understand. I tried those settings on my supro amp, and it totally brought it to life. Thanks Rhett!
My recipe for perfect tone: Squier Bullet -> Boss Metalzone -> Katana 50 (any setting) -> slaved into a 68 Bassman
how the cavemen did it :)
@@brodyh2895 KISS: Keep It Simple, Shredder!
Ridiculous unless butterscratch
@@jacksolomon451 It's Ford Fiesta red :(
A bullet 😂
Tim is a total class act. Wonderful stuff.
Thank you Rhett & Tim. You both are really nice & I appreciate every nugget of wisdom I can get. So thank you both for all your help.
Such a great post, Rhett. Love Tim Pierce’s channel, and you’re right: It’s a great time to be a guitarist. Thanks for the awesome content!
Dude i've learned more from your videos than any other channel. Thanks for keeping it real and being a huge help to all the guys trying to up their guitar game!
You and Tim Pierce are at the top of my all time guitarists that I take what you say as gospel. It's awesome to see both of you working together. I love our UA-cam Guitar community.
The format of this video is fantastic. The interview with TP balances perfectly with your comments / hands-on.
Please do more of these. "Finding your tone" is a great subject.
Love the collaboration with Tim, he’s awesome he’s a legend. Great video Rhett.
This video is fantastic and timely: a dude I work with just bought his first tube amp and I am definitely going to show this to him. Awesome info.
Something helpful I learned from owning guitars with single coils in the bridge (Les Paul Jr, Telecaster, etc) is that the volume and tone knobs have their own sweet spots when you play with high gain/distortion. Having your amp in its sweet spot is great for how it reacts to your playing, but not every guitar's pickups sound the best at full blast.
Tim Pierce!!!! Awesome. Thanks for following up and having Tim on. And keep up the great videos.
Thanks Rhett and Tim! Tried it with a Marshall head while watching. Love how it's working. Greatly appreciate the part on dialing in the amp also. Very helpful!
I actually caught that segment, and appreciate the more detailed overview you've provided here, particularly with regard to technique.
Not saying this isn’t true to get some good tones, but the bass gets cut like hell when doing this.
In two bands: it cuts very well. Just my experience ...
Tim is 100% on this! There is a very colorful dynamic range and bloom to turning your amp up and the guitar volume down, something ive noticed by chance but never into philosophy!
I particularly loved the fact precious information comes at reach for the beginner , being very friendly for those , and always useful even for experienced players. Coming from two of my favorite Artists is just the cherry on the cake. Keep always honest and upfront Rhett , thank you!
I’ve slowly been learning to play more “touch sensitive” but this really made everything click!!! Thanks so much for what you do :)
Wow, actually really impressed by this, turned the master volume up and ive now managed to dial in a tone i was looking for. running an overdrive pedal in the front of a clean tone really improves the head room and clarity especially with reverb. Thanks!!! keen for the live show on Oct 10th!
Same sort of concept: I used to hate the boss DS-1 pedal, but I figured out if I turn my strat volume down to about 7, then turn the level up on the pedal. You can achieve a clean tone with light picking, then a heavier dist on hard strumming. Good stuff!
Vintage DS-1: $250+ on eBay. New DS-1, exact same design: $55 on Amazon
That said: while your post is not off target, there’s significant difference between pedal distortion and tube amp drive. There’s just nothing like a tube amp cranked up.
@@Gk2003m either way it's still the same idea, though. It's basically just leaving yourself some headroom to play with. You don't get as much dynamics when *everything* is already cranked. Yes, even with solid state distortion pedals and amps, no tubes at all in the whole chain, you can have that "clean to dirty sweep" and get a heavy, rich, saturated tone a lot easier than most people realize.
Almost everyone starts dialing in their rig with the guitar's volume and tone maxed, and they've got nowhere to go from there, and then they spend yearrrrrrrs buying different amps and overdrives and boosts to get that little extra.
@@dogslobbergardens-hv2wf I have both tube and SS amps. The principle does work on both, but the result on my tube amps is definitely ’richer’.
Excellent video, interview and presentation. Spot on Rhett! Keep up the good work brother!
Thank you both for the amazing content! Super valuable information.. great tone
UA-cam and more importantly, the great people using it to teach others is so amazing. I recall my days trying to figure all this out when I was a teenager, feels like I was in a fog...never had any of this knowledge. I could play all these songs from my favorite bands, but the tone was never there.
I never knew how to write a song, either...it took me a while to unlock that mystery. The guitar, and music is an endless well to pull from.
I think this is all spot on. Something else to keep in mind is that when you play with softer dynamics, the signal out of the guitar changes substantially. Beyond the amp characteristics, which are obviously important, the signal out of the instrument is arguably more important. Add on top of that the interaction between the guitar and the amp, and it becomes obvious quickly how this becomes a whole new kind of instrument in the hands of a skilled player.
I’ve heard about this concept for years but never really understood the “calculus” of it. You and Tim are an incredible pair. Thanks for this one. Amazing stuff!
Big thank you for the both of you for giving us this 💪
I’ve been doing this for a while almost by accident, as I have a fairly loud valve amp in an apartment block. I realised recently that I do exactly what Tim described, and I do often receive good comments on my tone (this does not necessarily apply to my talent level lol). It became very evident when I had a friend over, handed him my guitar without changing any settings, and he almost blew the windows out on his first chord and lead notes - he plays smaller amps, hard, in a detached house and doesn’t have to worry about volume. Tone not as fat though. Great video Rhett.
While I don’t really think this is exactly anything “new”, it occurred to me that this was the kind of thing learned from other musician’s and that this was the first time I had seen someone put something like this online. Good job!
I love how you make me think about my playing in such subtle ways.
After every video I just pick my guitar up and find out something new.
Many thanks!
Both you and Tim are awesome and extremely knowledgeable, thanks for sharing
Billy Gibbons is a good example of this technique. He used 7 gauge strings on his guitars with a light touch and got massive sounds and tone.
what he calls the amp "falling apart" @ 12:47 is just what I call a beautiful blues burn. sticky and dripping. visions of a cowboy wandering the desert. and I love it.
Your insight and advice starting at about 1130 was invaluable. Totally changed my approach to dialing in my sound!
Great clearly stated instruction in all your vids, Rhett. Thanks for the channel!
Great video! It's a shame that more people don't know this concept. I play an Esquire straight into a Carr Rambler cranked to 10 and simply use my guitar's controls and my playing dynamics to get everything I need. I may not turn my guitar volume to 10 for an entire gig, but that power and extra gain is there when I need it. I find that I get the same effects mentioned by Tim when I roll back or play softly, but I still have that extra power in reserve.
Its crazy that you're sharing this a day after I noticed this myself....entirely on accident. I bought a Greer 5E3 a while back and its just a MASSIVE 15 watts, and I love the way a Tweed Deluxe style amp sounds when its in that big bloomy sweet spot, but its just too damn loud to play in the house, so I started messing around with touch and the guitars volume knob a lot more, and it's crazy how much more harmonic content comes through those speakers when you understand this idea. Its like....I see it has having a 500 horsepower engine in your car...but youre not going to just floor it all the damn time right? When you finesse that gas pedal (touch dynamics) you have all the get-up-and-go you could ever need, just by controlling your dynamic. Dig in, and get big, or keep it soft and enjoy the feeling you're creating. Jimmy Page NAILS this concept on songs like "Since I've Been Loving You", for a killer example. Great video Rhett!
The horsepower analogy is great- well said!
@@RiggsTaylor of course it's fun to lean into it! But sometimes it's just as much fun to take a slow and sweet ride man! Time and place for everything.
I was actually reminded of Page while Rhett was demoing this idea.
Page is a genius.
Wow, that's what scares me about buying a new tube amp. I'm currently running an orange crush 20 rt and it is PLENTY loud. The one amp I've been drawn towards is the PRS MT15. I live in maryland and I am a PRS fanboy and have met Paul (great man) and been to the factory. Here's one thing that draws me off the amp. Its not 15 watts!! Its more of a 30 watt amp because they basically put the Archon in a lunchbox head. I was watching I think a Philip McKnight video and he went to the factory and was talking with some amp builders and they were saying in maybe 30-45 minutes they could make the amp go from 15 to 50 watts. Its a beast of an amp and has crazy amounts of distortion. Plus it has a great clean channel. Personally if they put a reverb in it I would've gotten it last year. I am looking at a sonzera as well, those look fairly good. I just need an all around amp that can do jazz to djent and everything in between.
5E3 amps are an instrument themselves. What an experience of an amp.
Thank you Rhett, great vid . & good stuff to ponder and work over. Kudos Tim. instructions for a better world.
Thanks guys for sharing your hard won insights, I will be sure to check out your other stuff!
I was told when I was first starting out by my local guitar shop sage that all you need is a Princeton Reverb, volume, treble, and bass on 5 and learn right hand dynamics. A few years later I was able to pick one up and I’ll never go back.
i want a princeton so bad, but i use a twin right now cause me and my friend play drums sooo loud
This is how I try to set up my amps, i didn't know that this was really a "thing" and always wondered how the guys with what I thought was great tone achieved it. You're right, the internet is a gold mine of guitar knowledge. Used to be if you wanted to know anything you'd either have to scour guitar mags or just know somebody that was an experienced player willing to give advice.
truly amazin, the interwebs 🙃
What about solid states amp ? The same thing ?
Rhett man, I came across your videos via brother Rick Beato. I have been playing guitar and pedal steel for 37 and 20 years respectively would you believe I have never tried what you and Tim are talking about here? Crazy! Your videos are extremely high quality and inspiring, and you sound really great on the instrument. Thank you for sharing what you know - I am gonna try it on a session later this week. Look forward to hearing how it works on steel as well as 6 string!
Thanks so much Rhett and Tim!
I think that the muting the strings tip is soooo important. When I'm playing lazy I usually am not muting very well and I sound like crap. Just putting in a little bit of effort to mute strings while playing does so much to make you sound professional!
I set my rig with the idea of "amp volume up/guitar volume down." I typically will do it with an EQ pedal more than the guitar volume, so the loss of treble when lowering the guitar volume isn't an issue, and I can adjust it for different guitars with different output levels.
Great video, great advice. Soon as I'm Home from Work. Dailing it up for sure!
Loved this show Rhett. And yes, Tim Pierce is amazing. Thank you !
Great video with some food for thought. I might just try playing with ,y volumes this evening. I usually have the amp at low to mid levels and the guitar at various levels. Looks like I have been missing out on some good tones. I'm looking forward to experimenting more. Thanks for arranging the call and producing this video.
Me too.
Short Comment: I thought I knew a secret! ...Long Comment: I got an Orange Rocker 32 and was looking for solutions to attenuate it due to living in an apartment and I went with the JHS Little Black Amp Box (which goes in the send and return) and it’s amazing! That combined with the upgrades to my Fender Jazzmaster (put V-Mod pickups in, changed the pots from 1meg to 250K, and a Mastery bridge) made me fall in love with my Jazzmaster and guitar in general all over again.
Best amp lesson ever.i want to thank you and your host for a lesson that i will never forget. You guys Rock 👍💚
I apologize for not getting into your channel earlier. I've watched a number of your episodes, but this one really woke me up to the quality of your content. I have now subscribed and will be watching for more great insights.
Rock On Brother!
Pretty much everything live from Jimi Hendrix is a master class on this subject. He'd have it right "on the edge" of distortion, and as a result, he'd get such amazing bell tones along with some serious punishing distortion depending entirely on his picking. That's where I learned about doing this, so it's nice to see it dissected more technically here.
One of the sources of harmonics is the speaker shaking the tubes.
The three note "NBC Chime" was originally created by the radio broadcaster reaching over and tapping three of the preamp tubes with his pencil.
Sound waves hitting the tube causes the interior components to vibrate , you get small changes in distance between the gate, emitter and collector plates.
This creates secondary and tertiary resonances.
Its why the tubes are close to the speaker and sideways to it (to catch the sound waves)
You want to shake them hard enough to create resonances , but too hard creates distortion and a squealing type of sound.
(You start hearing the glass tube ringing)
So tube amps usually have a sweet spot that could make a banjo sound like a cello.
I suspect the tube tapping tone tale is an urban legend, but there's some truth in that microphonics were a big part of Jimi's sound."Getting the tubes to ring" was absolutely NOT an aim of early amp designers who were concerned with eliminating microphonic feedback, not encouraging it; even building the amp into a separate cab so it didn't have to be vibrated by the speakers, as in a combo.
'The three note "NBC Chime" was originally created by the radio broadcaster reaching over and tapping three of the preamp tubes with his pencil.'
Urban legend - the original NBC chime was seven notes long and was most likely created using a small handheld chime.
Hey Rhett, great video with a really solid explanation for finding the sweet spot. Also, really good image/sound editing of this piece.
Fantastic video. I've been digging in your videos lately. So informative.
I've witnessed James Burton up close do this with a Fender twin, full up, the rest controlled from the guitar, and man can he get a big tone out of a Tele!!!
As someone with a healthy dose of disdain for the tone of pedals for any distortion, favoring instead the natural clipping of the tube amp exclusively, I finally understand how to use them together with (not instead of) the amp. That tubby bottom end breakup of cleanish tones is no longer a challenge. Pristine clean and searing overdrive were always my strength, middle ground my weakness. Thanks to great people like Rhett and Tim a whole new world of delicious tone is now at my fingertips.
Great video. This is some serious knowledge. Thanks. ✌🙋🏻♂️🎸
In my circle growing up a long time ago we all played big amps and no one ever talked about this stuff. Young players today are so lucky to have this channel.
Flubbyness as a lot to do with the general EQ and Bass level. You might notice that at high volume the power amp distortion is tighter and the sound is more punchy with the bass knob set lower.
The muting advice yall gave is second nature for us slide players. Muting is everything but damn this was a great video.
Looks like I've been doing it right pretty much the whole time. Just nice to hear some affirmation. Once I was able to play through two good quality tube amps in stereo on a regular basis, my compressor pedal came off my main board, and I was able to fully bask in the gloriousness of saturated EL84s on the left and 6L6s on the right.
Also Tim is so great. You can tell he's having so much fun everytime he plays. You both have such a love for the craft. Thanks for the great content!
I definitely found this video useful! THANK YOU SO KUCH FOR THESE VIDEOS!! Good work ✨✨
The amateur engineer in me really enjoyed seeing the amp opened up and talking about what's in it.
Tom Bukovac (Uncle Larry) talks about strumming softly and how he learnt thats how Angus Young achieves his massive sound
Thanks so much for that, that was a nice gift to all of us trying to learn to play.
Prob one of the most informative and helpful vids about guitar, tone, and just music in general..
I heard Jimi Hendrix did this all the time in the studio. Marshall plexi on 10, guitar volume on 2.
This is why low wattage tube amps are selling like crazy, getting that sweet spot without blowing your ears out
This is helpful depending on the style of playing you do, example. You can’t get an aggressive tone if you don’t play aggressively and if you are after that effect playing rock or metal music then you need to have your amp set at a lower volume so it doesn’t flubb out on you and muddy everything up
Compliments on your 5e3 build there...
From what I can see, you did nice neat work!
Thank you, I learn so much from your videos!
"Gross and flubby" perfect spot for Doom metal.... love that squished attack of a dimed OR120.
@William Harvey I do work for *a* government, but I'm talking about the classic Orange OR120 from the early 70s. It has an almost fuzzed out overdrive. It's a perfect tone for stoner rock and doom metal. Tune low, play slow.
"Turning your amp up and turning your guitar down". Then the conversation instantly became about playing loud but gently. Then gain staging. I was expecting to hear something about Miller capacitance, the real reason to turn your amp up. ;-)
Exactly... We're you and I the only ones seeing this?
@@silvanolapenna2510 At 7:00, I was sure he was going to talk about the impedance curve of the speaker interacting with the gain of the power amp at different frequencies, making a touch responsive EQ curve...but no. Then later on he gets the gain staging backwards, you set the preamp gain BEFORE the master volume, so you know what kind of signal you're sending into the power amp. Still, they at least get some great guitar tones, even if they don't really understand how they've done it!
Yes Great piece guys, exceptional instruction.
Thank you Rhett and Tim for this gold nugget !!
This is the exact opposite approach that I use. I feel that attack is always fighting tone and body. I have an extremely heavy right hand(picking hand). I fight that by not cranking amp and playing lightly but by turning down the tone knob and playing heavy. The tone knob is a balancing act between tone and pick attack. That’s how I roll.
For drop tuned metal we tend to run the power amp pretty low. We don't want any power amp breakup or anything like that. Usually I'll use the master to dial in cab resonance, if there is no resonance control.
thanks but as a noob I am not familiar with some of those term, will have to look them up
This is great stuff Rhett. Thanks a lot
Great video Rhett!! Very nice to have this broken down !! Thank you!!
When you can say, "I'm just gonna call up Tim Pierce," you know you're on the right track. Bravo, dude, and thanks for expanding on Tim's pointer. My neighbors will surely enjoy my explorations into my amp's sweet spot. 😂
I saw that and was like, "Wha....? Do ALL these UA-cam guys know each other? :D
I've said this many times, but tone is so important to getting really motivated to playing guitar. The sounds you get are really pivotal to moving people with music! Awesome work man!
Man this is so true!
@@Jupiter2ignite Yeah!
I think we all know what you're saying but you've put it perfectly into words.
So true
I think this holds true the more experience you have. I find it difficult to get into any kind of zone playing in the bedroom now, it's just not the same.
Thanks brother, very helpful. Excellent. God bless.
Great video Rhett! Thank you for the tip.
While some amps don't like it, over the years I've used a Peavey, a Fender and now a Mesa V combo and have always had the outputs (master volume) at or near max without issue.
Re. pedals- To my ear, most pedals shrink the sound.
Elliott Randall says the rig he used on “Reelin’ in the Years” was an Ampeg SVT! A 300 watt bass amp!
I had one back in the late 70 early 80 run one of those old fuzz pedals with the two big round wheels on the sides you could feel the wind.
Didn't the Stones use SVTs in 70s same as Ron Wood in the Faces. It's the same tone.
N. J. Sonye I know and played some gigs with Elliott, and that info is correct. I always thought it was a small Fender
amp just dimed but no. He had “that guitar” with him, a ‘62 or ‘63 Strat with a PAF humbucker in the neck position. He
said he turned up the amp and worked the guitar volume to where he liked the sound. The SVT was the only amp avail-
able at the time so he just went with it. Fun fact: That solo was the second take, with no edits. Apparently, they all
felt the first one was even better (hard to imagine) but the engineer didn’t record that one. He thought it was just a run
through. After that, Becker and Fagen had engineers record everything, just in case. Elliott is a master guitarist and a
very sweet person, in case anyone cares about that stuff.
Larry Power what a great bunch of NYC studio players in the 70s
Larry Power yes , a friend of mine played some drums with Elliot a couple of years ago. He lives in London ( or did then) not that far from me. Always loved his playing , really wonderful 💫
good to see you guys in the same circle - a web of info that is working quite well for a lot of us out here. Thanks.
This is so valuable. Thank you!
Tim mentions Daniel Lanois as a key user of this technique - and he's right. Lanois gets killer tones and dynamics using this. If you've never heard Lanois, do yourself a favour and listen to his album Acadie as well as the 2014 Premier Guitar Rig Rundown in which Lanois goes into depth on his use of the loud amp, gentle picking technique both on pedal steel and regular guitar.
There is another factor not mentioned here, that I've experienced: playing relatively loud and with the guitar close to the speaker(s) cab, there is a controllable amount of feedback that generally increases sustain.
you see that feedback from your housemates when they cover their ears and run
This tutorial ist pure Gold! Thanks For sharing❤👍🤟