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@@dxgm8512These two men should be Secretary of State and National Security Advisor, the world would be a much better place! However, no president will ever appoint two people as good as these two people. Instead we get Blinken Sullivan Nuland etc. who only know how to start war!
John's success in geopolitics predictions and popularity among viewers are tied to his great expertise, independance rationnality in this field but also to his his capacity to maintain his position over time. I would add a vaillant Man with conviction and sense of honour.
Morgan is not an intellectual. He is enamored with unilateralism and genocide. He thinks that's the sign of intelligence by adherence to "might is right" doctrine.
Please have more on this sir. May I suggest inviting great thinkers from the global south too, for an even more complete experience. Kishore and George Yeo comes to mind. Thanks
Shared on X. John's input aligns with my own since 2008 and my posts on social media since, especially since the US overthrow of the elected government in Ukraine.
@@stella3265 Thanks for the question. No. :) Not an academic, but passionate about global affairs and politics and the way they impact business and economies.
I am currently reading "How to Hide an Empire" by Daniel Immerwahr which is an eye opening treatise on US misdeeds throughout the world beginning with the 19th century and earlier as well. Makes Putin seem like a saint today;
Thank you very very much for this long conversation: it was so enlightening! Thank you for your engagement in spreading rationality and common sense, we need your wise words.
What an informed discussion! If only these Washington leaders would listen😮As this is the EXACT Indian position, seems we are on a good wicker along with other middle powers like Brazil Indonesia Sourh Africa Saudi😊
Listings to this conversation, and the findings of the book is really cathartic, I hate that it's the case, but having it being proven and researched is vindicating somehow 😅
Dear Prof Mearsheimer and Prof Sachs, I want to express my gratitude for the insights I have gained from both of you. My recent manuscript, titled "The Cost of Pursuing Hegemony," explores and challenges Professor Mearsheimer's theory of offensive realism. I have sent the manuscript to each of you via email and would be immensely grateful for any critical feedback or suggestions you might have. Thank you very much for your time and consideration. Best regards, Imran
At the beginning of the 90ties I lived in Poland and I remember hesitance of the Western Powers to accept Poland into NATO. Poland wanted to join straight after the first free election in 1989. But Western Powers initially refused. They were too afraid of the consequences and they offered "Partnership for Peace" - which was some military cooperation without formal obligation to defend in case of aggression. Now this was viewed in Poland as yet another betrayal by Western Powers. It was viewed like another Jalta (In 1945 US effectively gave Poland to Stalin). I wonder if decision to expand NATO was at least partially due to this pressure. Poland may be a small country, but there at 9 mln Poles in the US and they make 10% of voters. Thank you for the great interview.
The rationality of the decisions are originally sound. The problem is the process, the way Russians were treated within Ukraine would lead to thinking that Russians in general are being targeted.
Those in Mental Health field operationally define LOVE as the ability to SUPPRESS CRITICAL JUDGEMENT. WISHFUL THINKING COMES CLOSE TO WHAT IS DISCUSSED HRRE. THAT'S WHY RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE ARE ALARMED WHEN WISHFUL THINKING DISPLACES RATIONAL THINKING. THIS WORLD CANNOT AFFORD WISHFUL THINKING.
Respected Professors, Law of Nature, never change with respect to time. Life is Finite. Both principles follow in the Rise and Fall of nations. Alexander, Pharoun, and long list till Hitler follow the same rules and patterns. We humans thinks/ believes make us that we can change these patterns. Life cycle of products follow the same pattern. Rise of any other state is natural. The attitude/ mindset in Power Corridors is identical. To remain for longer periods is totally dependent upon Rulers Morale and Ethical Values. Rulers always wanted to change the Morale/ Ethical Values others instead of themselves. In last 500 years, Dutch, Belgium, French,Portugal, British passed away and after 2nd World War 1945, similar patterns will follow.
Here are 2 true foreign policy experts! No political bend. All just in your face factual info. Neither is pro trump or pro Democrat. The way most of us wish to consume information on world affairs
States are amoral, meaning neither "moral" nor "immoral." Individuals are "moral" or "immoral" but sadly, in large ingroups, the groupthink becomes self-centred, based on own interests. The "gardens" (Borrell) who think they the deserve the gardens, and therefore all other groups become "jungles" in their collective mind, to be kept down in power.
Two stalwarts of modernism in IR trying to make sense of a postmodern international system. We can hardly analyze the individual as a rational actor anymore, let alone try to apply it to states. Enjoy hearing two greats of the field try to make sense of the changing world picture though
I don't think you need to assume rational states to make coherent foreign policy, you just have to be observant and figure out how they are irrational.
The move from rationality to irrationality is why states collapse. Another point. As cheap fossil fuels wind down, the underpinnings of the modern states collapse. This means a return to less complex social organization. Bands, tribes, chiefdoms.
But domestic politics does matter for population \consumer control. That is it's only function today. And it is largely contrived manipulation and con artistry and dare I say teamwork and cooperation. It's the name of the game. Partnership between the two parties.
States can only be considered “rational” within a fundamentally irrational context. States by the way, are scaled-up expressions of self-interested human tribalism, which reproduces a narrow spectrum of components and behaviors. There is no over-determinism, and no need for theoretical factionalism, because there is extremely understandable biological determinism, despite this reality providing cognitive dissonance for “Homo tribalis” egregious species exceptionalism. Meanwhile, that “irrational context” identifies the self-interested state functioning in regressive supremacist exceptionalistic in-group abstraction from the systems-based consequences of inflicting endless power struggle conflict, endless abuse of populations foreign and domestic, existential environmental abuse, and imminent self-inflicted extinction. Individuals are no better, where human state of nature is determined by a taxonomy of tribal instincts with authoritarian characteristics. In addition, those “small groups of decision-making elites” always represent the vanguard of supremacist exceptionalistic tribal (state) in-group identity, and always exhibit Authoritarian characteristics that irrationally double-down on winning is everything, believing they can win any fight, and preferring mutually assured destruction to suffering defeat. The Enlightenment philosophy and liberal ideology assertion of tabula rasa individualism were wrong, regardless of the too-big-to-fail Western edifice erected upon the exploitation of individualism. An anarchistic environment presents a choice to humanity, and humanity always chooses to reproduce the instinctive tribal Paleo-regressive zero-sum game, instead of the cognitive-based intellectualism of cooperation and sustainability.
It seems not only Russia reaches its culminating point in Ukraine. The fact Mearsheimer and Sachs are now alone in an interview is the equivalent of culmination.
The premise is all wrong. Just as an AI machine does not "think" nor does "a state". Human beings (with souls, whatever they are, I have no clue) are what _think._ So the concept of 'rationality' applied to 'a state' is nonsense, it is inapplicable. A state has no soul. What you should analyze is *_how people who form the core of state power collectively arrive at decisions that statistically can be predicted to some precision beyond random chance, and what can then be characterized and usefully forecast given some current geopolitical configuration or perturbation._* I know that's a mouthful, but it's a cheat to try to simplify that long statement into an athropomorphized spirit that does not exist.
I’d be fascinated to hear your thoughts on the intricacies of geopolitics. I’m curious how one might develop a credible theory or framework while conveniently ignoring the actions and interests of all the key players. Take your time, professor-I’m sure we’ll all benefit from your insight....
@@BigSamthemanxXx I wasn't trying to lecture anybody on geopolitics but merely point out that the two gentlemen are heavily biased in support of what seems to be Kremlin's viewpoints - no matter the issue. That may be a coincidence but given the number of issues where that is the case - Israel, China, Ukraine etc, it probably isn't.
Discussion Topic: The Rationality Behind NATO Expansion and Its Consequences In this discussion, Prof. Mearsheimer and Prof. Sachs analyze NATO’s expansion, especially the rationale and impacts from the 1990s onward. They explore how NATO’s growth, driven by U.S. policy despite Russian resistance, has led to escalating tensions, particularly with Ukraine. They assess the clash between liberal (expansion as a peace initiative) and realist (warned of provoking Russia) viewpoints, emphasizing that U.S. policymakers underestimated Russian concerns, which, they argue, could have been mitigated through diplomatic measures. The missed opportunities to negotiate, especially around 2021-2022, are viewed as pivotal, raising questions about the long-term consequences for Ukraine and the U.S. Top 10 Key Epiphanies: 1. Domestic vs. International Trust Dynamics "The reason that people in democracies... trust their government..." (00:00:00) - Example: Citizens trust governments domestically, but in international relations, distrust prevails, especially with Russian leadership, reflecting differences in perception across borders. 2. Debate on NATO Expansion in the 1990s "There was a huge battle inside the country... on whether to expand NATO..." (00:03:00) - Example: Internal debates highlighted that NATO expansion was contentious, with realists warning against provoking Russia, indicating it wasn’t a unanimous decision. 3. Realist Warning on NATO Expansion "The realists... argued that if you expand NATO Eastward... this is going to blow up in your face." (00:03:33) - Example: Prominent realists foresaw NATO’s eastward move as a trigger for Russian opposition, a caution proven valid as tensions rose. 4. Liberal Vision for NATO Expansion "They wanted to... spread them Eastward..." (00:05:23) - Example: Liberals envisioned expansion as fostering peace and prosperity, yet neglected potential Russian backlash, affecting long-term U.S.-Russia relations. 5. The Open Door Policy and Russian Security Concerns "The open door policy says it’s none of Russia's business..." (00:04:01) - Example: NATO’s open-door stance disregarded Russia’s security concerns, worsening relations and contributing to opposition. 6. Liberal and Realist Views Clash on Russia's Weakness "The liberals... believed the Russians were so weak that it was not necessary to contain Russia." (00:05:59) - Example: The liberal perspective ignored Russia’s capacity to retaliate, assuming its perceived weakness would neutralize any threat. 7. 2008 NATO Decision on Ukraine and Georgia "It was in 2008 when... Ukraine and Georgia would become part of NATO..." (00:06:32) - Example: The 2008 decision deepened Russian concerns over NATO's intentions, heightening regional security tensions. 8. Russia's Red Line on Ukraine's NATO Membership "The Russians were just not going to let that happen..." (00:06:53) - Example: Russia’s vehement opposition to Ukraine joining NATO underscored the strategic importance it placed on maintaining influence over the region. 9. Risk of Underestimating Russian Reaction "The Bush Administration and... we’re going to shove it down their throat." (00:07:50) - Example: The U.S. underestimated Russia’s resolve, proceeding with expansion plans that failed to account for potential backlash. 10. Consequences of Ignoring Warnings on NATO Expansion "I just was with a very senior diplomat... 'How do we convince Russia that NATO is not a threat?'" (00:09:01) - Example: Despite years of NATO expansion, some U.S. officials remained unaware of the depth of Russian concerns, contributing to misjudged foreign policies. This discussion illustrates that misjudgments regarding NATO expansion and dismissals of Russian security concerns intensified U.S.-Russia tensions. The speakers critique the U.S. strategy as overly confident and underestimating Russia’s ability to resist NATO’s growth, with significant implications for Ukraine, U.S. foreign policy, and the potential for diplomatic solutions in global conflict dynamics
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Wrong again.
This is a dream interview having BOTH Professor Mearsheimer and Professor Sachs on one Show! 🌟
was thinking to post the same!! agree
Yes!
Exactly what I was looking for
@@dxgm8512These two men should be Secretary of State and National Security Advisor, the world would be a much better place! However, no president will ever appoint two people as good as these two people. Instead we get Blinken Sullivan Nuland etc. who only know how to start war!
Two great minds in one video.
My two favorite people in USA...may God keep you guys we still want to learn from your school of thought
Tseke from South Africa
Thank God for men like Sachs and Mearsheimer! 🫡🙏🏼
These two minds together in an interview are a present for all us who want to understand the world we live in. Thank you!
Two powerhouses of intelligence. I love listening you both. ❤
John's success in geopolitics predictions and popularity among viewers are tied to his great expertise, independance rationnality in this field but also to his his capacity to maintain his position over time.
I would add a vaillant Man with conviction and sense of honour.
Great interview with two intellectual giants
Prof. Mearsheimer is our national treasure!
Intelligent people, logical arguments and a great two intellectuals to listen to
This is much more entertaining than having Piers Morgan interview either of them
Morgan is not an intellectual. He is enamored with unilateralism and genocide. He thinks that's the sign of intelligence by adherence to "might is right" doctrine.
Thank you Gentlemen
Thank you both for your rational and independent thinking.
Our pleasure!
Both of you are the most intelligent people I’ve seen in the world
Please have more on this sir. May I suggest inviting great thinkers from the global south too, for an even more complete experience. Kishore and George Yeo comes to mind. Thanks
Shared on X. John's input aligns with my own since 2008 and my posts on social media since, especially since the US overthrow of the elected government in Ukraine.
Are you an academic ? Do you teach IR? Just curious. I agree with both Prof’s Sachs and Mearsheimer
@@stella3265 Thanks for the question. No. :) Not an academic, but passionate about global affairs and politics and the way they impact business and economies.
I am currently reading "How to Hide an Empire" by Daniel Immerwahr which is an eye opening treatise on US misdeeds throughout the world beginning with the 19th century and earlier as well. Makes Putin seem like a saint today;
Two mental giants who are willing to accept that they don’t always agree.
Two intellectual giants
Thank you very very much for this long conversation: it was so enlightening! Thank you for your engagement in spreading rationality and common sense, we need your wise words.
It is very fascinating to watch the interview of those great thinkers whom i used to quote throughout my dissertation research.
What an informed discussion! If only these Washington leaders would listen😮As this is the EXACT Indian position, seems we are on a good wicker along with other middle powers like Brazil Indonesia Sourh Africa Saudi😊
Thank you for a great discussion.
My favourite people, thank you, always enjoying discussion and amazed by yours knowledge.
Jeffrey Sachs for SecState
Sachs = Facts
Excellent discussion. Thank you.
Thank you bots Professors. *-Video supported and shared
Thank you, for share a bit of your knowledge, highly appreciated, hope more people start listening
Listings to this conversation, and the findings of the book is really cathartic, I hate that it's the case, but having it being proven and researched is vindicating somehow 😅
Great!
Really enjoyed the conversation btw the two brilliant minds❤
Glad you enjoyed it!
Things you don't hear on the corporate media
Those two are the best! 💌
I was waiting for this one.
M A G A needs to get educated about the drivers of the current US-Russian conflict/war.
The two greats
thanks for your efforts
omg the two heroes in one video!!!
Two minds in love 😊. I do not think this is new, I watched it before!
Thank you for the conversation. Was it rational for the USA to pursue Ukraine’s NATO membership?
You didn’t give him the last world but great discussion
The US conceived of Ukraine as an Afghanistan like trap for Russia, explains Johnson's intervention.
Dear Prof Mearsheimer and Prof Sachs,
I want to express my gratitude for the insights I have gained from both of you. My recent manuscript, titled "The Cost of Pursuing Hegemony," explores and challenges Professor Mearsheimer's theory of offensive realism. I have sent the manuscript to each of you via email and would be immensely grateful for any critical feedback or suggestions you might have.
Thank you very much for your time and consideration.
Best regards,
Imran
Totally agreed sir 🙏
At the beginning of the 90ties I lived in Poland and I remember hesitance of the Western Powers to accept Poland into NATO. Poland wanted to join straight after the first free election in 1989. But Western Powers initially refused. They were too afraid of the consequences and they offered "Partnership for Peace" - which was some military cooperation without formal obligation to defend in case of aggression.
Now this was viewed in Poland as yet another betrayal by Western Powers. It was viewed like another Jalta (In 1945 US effectively gave Poland to Stalin). I wonder if decision to expand NATO was at least partially due to this pressure. Poland may be a small country, but there at 9 mln Poles in the US and they make 10% of voters.
Thank you for the great interview.
The rationality of the decisions are originally sound. The problem is the process, the way Russians were treated within Ukraine would lead to thinking that Russians in general are being targeted.
How to find the William Barnes memo, that these two are talking about?
Those in Mental Health field operationally define LOVE as the ability to SUPPRESS CRITICAL JUDGEMENT. WISHFUL THINKING COMES CLOSE TO WHAT IS DISCUSSED HRRE. THAT'S WHY RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE ARE ALARMED WHEN WISHFUL THINKING DISPLACES RATIONAL THINKING. THIS WORLD CANNOT AFFORD WISHFUL THINKING.
Is this what it was like when the Superfriends assembled at the Hall of Justice?
This is the academic version of watch the throne.
I think the field of IR would benefit greatly from Mearsheimer reading Heidegger’s Age of the World Picture
Many didn't even read Wikileaks because they were instructed it was illegal. Talk about gullible.
It's like if your husband and wife was cheating on you but you won't read the emails because you would be breaking their trust. Gullible
Or I meant
Hear! Hear! So true.
The best
герои нашего времени!
How can the government afford to ignore what these great minds are saying?
Respected Professors, Law of Nature, never change with respect to time. Life is Finite. Both principles follow in the Rise and Fall of nations. Alexander, Pharoun, and long list till Hitler follow the same rules and patterns. We humans thinks/ believes make us that we can change these patterns. Life cycle of products follow the same pattern. Rise of any other state is natural. The attitude/ mindset in Power Corridors is identical. To remain for longer periods is totally dependent upon Rulers Morale and Ethical Values. Rulers always wanted to change the Morale/ Ethical Values others instead of themselves. In last 500 years, Dutch, Belgium, French,Portugal, British passed away and after 2nd World War 1945, similar patterns will follow.
Here are 2 true foreign policy experts! No political bend. All just in your face factual info. Neither is pro trump or pro Democrat. The way most of us wish to consume information on world affairs
John, your poster is flipped.
Wow ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ A-team
Didn’t Gorbachev get an agreement that NATO wouldn’t move East?
States are amoral, meaning neither "moral" nor "immoral." Individuals are "moral" or "immoral" but sadly, in large ingroups, the groupthink becomes self-centred, based on own interests. The "gardens" (Borrell) who think they the deserve the gardens, and therefore all other groups become "jungles" in their collective mind, to be kept down in power.
What channel was this on?
Book Club with Jeffrey Sachs (this video is from 8 or 9 months ago)
Two stalwarts of modernism in IR trying to make sense of a postmodern international system. We can hardly analyze the individual as a rational actor anymore, let alone try to apply it to states. Enjoy hearing two greats of the field try to make sense of the changing world picture though
Not just the Iraq war was pretectual. Every war we ever had.
❤
Are the US and Israel currently acting rationally?
I don't think you need to assume rational states to make coherent foreign policy, you just have to be observant and figure out how they are irrational.
The move from rationality to irrationality is why states collapse. Another point. As cheap fossil fuels wind down, the underpinnings of the modern states collapse. This means a return to less complex social organization. Bands, tribes, chiefdoms.
Призрак коммунизма реет над миром, это факт.
Inshallah
OR- When those in charge of US Government fail to THIINK and resort to WISHFUL--THINKING instead !
But domestic politics does matter for population \consumer control. That is it's only function today. And it is largely contrived manipulation and con artistry and dare I say teamwork and cooperation. It's the name of the game. Partnership between the two parties.
States can only be considered “rational” within a fundamentally irrational context. States by the way, are scaled-up expressions of self-interested human tribalism, which reproduces a narrow spectrum of components and behaviors. There is no over-determinism, and no need for theoretical factionalism, because there is extremely understandable biological determinism, despite this reality providing cognitive dissonance for “Homo tribalis” egregious species exceptionalism. Meanwhile, that “irrational context” identifies the self-interested state functioning in regressive supremacist exceptionalistic in-group abstraction from the systems-based consequences of inflicting endless power struggle conflict, endless abuse of populations foreign and domestic, existential environmental abuse, and imminent self-inflicted extinction. Individuals are no better, where human state of nature is determined by a taxonomy of tribal instincts with authoritarian characteristics. In addition, those “small groups of decision-making elites” always represent the vanguard of supremacist exceptionalistic tribal (state) in-group identity, and always exhibit Authoritarian characteristics that irrationally double-down on winning is everything, believing they can win any fight, and preferring mutually assured destruction to suffering defeat. The Enlightenment philosophy and liberal ideology assertion of tabula rasa individualism were wrong, regardless of the too-big-to-fail Western edifice erected upon the exploitation of individualism. An anarchistic environment presents a choice to humanity, and humanity always chooses to reproduce the instinctive tribal Paleo-regressive zero-sum game, instead of the cognitive-based intellectualism of cooperation and sustainability.
It seems not only Russia reaches its culminating point in Ukraine. The fact Mearsheimer and Sachs are now alone in an interview is the equivalent of culmination.
The premise is all wrong. Just as an AI machine does not "think" nor does "a state". Human beings (with souls, whatever they are, I have no clue) are what _think._ So the concept of 'rationality' applied to 'a state' is nonsense, it is inapplicable. A state has no soul. What you should analyze is *_how people who form the core of state power collectively arrive at decisions that statistically can be predicted to some precision beyond random chance, and what can then be characterized and usefully forecast given some current geopolitical configuration or perturbation._* I know that's a mouthful, but it's a cheat to try to simplify that long statement into an athropomorphized spirit that does not exist.
It's a play on the book how statesmen think by Robert Jarvis
Suppose Russia attacked in 2022 because of NATO expansion. How does conquering south-east Ukraine help Russia with that?
There won't be NATO's nukes in those territories.
Can immoral actions be rational ? Are all rational actions ipso facto rational? - esp in context of Putin & his analogue Nazinyahu.
There's definitely more irrationality among voters of democratic states 😅
It’s how Mearsheimer thinks! Not truly how States think nor act 😂
Oh good, the dynamic duo is at it again - full on Kremlin parrot mode...
I’d be fascinated to hear your thoughts on the intricacies of geopolitics. I’m curious how one might develop a credible theory or framework while conveniently ignoring the actions and interests of all the key players. Take your time, professor-I’m sure we’ll all benefit from your insight....
@@BigSamthemanxXx I wasn't trying to lecture anybody on geopolitics but merely point out that the two gentlemen are heavily biased in support of what seems to be Kremlin's viewpoints - no matter the issue. That may be a coincidence but given the number of issues where that is the case - Israel, China, Ukraine etc, it probably isn't.
This video stinks of useful idiocy
Please explain
Discussion Topic: The Rationality Behind NATO Expansion and Its Consequences
In this discussion, Prof. Mearsheimer and Prof. Sachs analyze NATO’s expansion, especially the rationale and impacts from the 1990s onward. They explore how NATO’s growth, driven by U.S. policy despite Russian resistance, has led to escalating tensions, particularly with Ukraine. They assess the clash between liberal (expansion as a peace initiative) and realist (warned of provoking Russia) viewpoints, emphasizing that U.S. policymakers underestimated Russian concerns, which, they argue, could have been mitigated through diplomatic measures. The missed opportunities to negotiate, especially around 2021-2022, are viewed as pivotal, raising questions about the long-term consequences for Ukraine and the U.S.
Top 10 Key Epiphanies:
1. Domestic vs. International Trust Dynamics
"The reason that people in democracies... trust their government..." (00:00:00)
- Example: Citizens trust governments domestically, but in international relations, distrust prevails, especially with Russian leadership, reflecting differences in perception across borders.
2. Debate on NATO Expansion in the 1990s
"There was a huge battle inside the country... on whether to expand NATO..." (00:03:00)
- Example: Internal debates highlighted that NATO expansion was contentious, with realists warning against provoking Russia, indicating it wasn’t a unanimous decision.
3. Realist Warning on NATO Expansion
"The realists... argued that if you expand NATO Eastward... this is going to blow up in your face." (00:03:33)
- Example: Prominent realists foresaw NATO’s eastward move as a trigger for Russian opposition, a caution proven valid as tensions rose.
4. Liberal Vision for NATO Expansion
"They wanted to... spread them Eastward..." (00:05:23)
- Example: Liberals envisioned expansion as fostering peace and prosperity, yet neglected potential Russian backlash, affecting long-term U.S.-Russia relations.
5. The Open Door Policy and Russian Security Concerns
"The open door policy says it’s none of Russia's business..." (00:04:01)
- Example: NATO’s open-door stance disregarded Russia’s security concerns, worsening relations and contributing to opposition.
6. Liberal and Realist Views Clash on Russia's Weakness
"The liberals... believed the Russians were so weak that it was not necessary to contain Russia." (00:05:59)
- Example: The liberal perspective ignored Russia’s capacity to retaliate, assuming its perceived weakness would neutralize any threat.
7. 2008 NATO Decision on Ukraine and Georgia
"It was in 2008 when... Ukraine and Georgia would become part of NATO..." (00:06:32)
- Example: The 2008 decision deepened Russian concerns over NATO's intentions, heightening regional security tensions.
8. Russia's Red Line on Ukraine's NATO Membership
"The Russians were just not going to let that happen..." (00:06:53)
- Example: Russia’s vehement opposition to Ukraine joining NATO underscored the strategic importance it placed on maintaining influence over the region.
9. Risk of Underestimating Russian Reaction
"The Bush Administration and... we’re going to shove it down their throat." (00:07:50)
- Example: The U.S. underestimated Russia’s resolve, proceeding with expansion plans that failed to account for potential backlash.
10. Consequences of Ignoring Warnings on NATO Expansion
"I just was with a very senior diplomat... 'How do we convince Russia that NATO is not a threat?'" (00:09:01)
- Example: Despite years of NATO expansion, some U.S. officials remained unaware of the depth of Russian concerns, contributing to misjudged foreign policies.
This discussion illustrates that misjudgments regarding NATO expansion and dismissals of Russian security concerns intensified U.S.-Russia tensions. The speakers critique the U.S. strategy as overly confident and underestimating Russia’s ability to resist NATO’s growth, with significant implications for Ukraine, U.S. foreign policy, and the potential for diplomatic solutions in global conflict dynamics