He has an IQ of 143 and a member of Mensa, he is very smart but he needs to stop wrestling and put more in the back of the house, maybe then WWE would pick him up again
The main thing I liked about Raven's Flock was how they just used to sit in the front row, not caring about the chaos that was ensuing between WCW and the nWo. Despite usually losing they were popular and each had a character and traits of their own that made them stand out which would be something you wouldn't see today.
RAQUAAHWA TheCodedtestament like real world today. The awake people see the war going on in the world. But don't care about either side. Because they let people be but eventually will get eaten by the winner of the war.
You are right, It's too bad WCW Nitro was out of business cause Mr McMahon brought the Stock Company.. If it was on-air WCW Nitro would still give WWE whoop a** in the Monday Night Wars..
Yeah u are right I remember Sick Boy and Lodi when they went up against Goldberg, I just felt sorry for them, all because Raven was in denial to face Goldberg one-on-one. Well although Goldberg destroyed Sick Boy and Lodi, at least Goldberg finally got his hands on Raven and crushed him too.. #WhatAboutRaven
Honestly, Raven's Flock was one of the most interesting parts of WCW when I started watching. I started watching WCW a couple months before Starcade '97. WCW's midcard was absolutely crushing everything WWF had to offer, and Raven's Flock was a gigantic part of that. Raven was right in that the Flock was "The most over group that lost all their matches." Yeah, they were a bunch of jobbers, but just think of the fates of those people after the Flock was gone, nearly all of them were not seen on TV after that. I do think, though, that Kidman was a bit too confident for his level of skill. He's amazingly talented, but never did have the voice to be a main eventer as others said he always demanded to be. He sounded like a 14 year old kid out there when he finally was allowed to talk, obviously the reason why they kept him off the mic until that point.
Most Of Raven's Flock Were Seen After They Disbanded; Raven, Saturn, Van Hammer, Horace Hogan, Lodi, Billy Kidnan And Kanyon. They Except Lodi All Had Matches Against Top Stars.
Met Raven out one night in Atl years ago at the Mouse Trap/Diamond Club...whatever it was called then. I went up to him told him I was a huge fan, shook his hand, and that was it...he was super cool and very, very nice guy, and one of the best wrestlers of all time.
Raven is so important to wrestling, and people who don't understand that statement clearly don't know the business. Raven has helped countless stars fully tap their potential and he is just a brainiac when it comes to connecting with the audience. I was like 8 when the Flock was on WCW, and I liked him without realizing how fantastic on the mic he was. The quotes and everything were just genius. Like Goldust's quotes in 95-96, just such an awesome approach to their characters
It's doubtful anytime soon, he has filed several lawsuits against the WWE and due to so many talents not yet inducted Raven would be way down on the inductee list, great talent though, mic skills and a good wrestler
I have to say that when Scott Levy came to WCW as Raven in 1997,I foolishly believed that WCW would push him to the moon and back.I believed that his time in ECW gave him enough pull to become a top star in WCW this time around,but he still did very well considering that there were so many more well established top guys ahead of him.I will say that even with all of the incompetence and laziness of WCW booking,they still booked and presented Raven a lot better than the WWF did.
Raven’s Flock was my favorite part of WCW every week. Such a criminally underrated stable. Imagine Raven vs Sting for the title in ‘98! Or Raven vs DDP for the strap after Page won it.
Kidman didn't realise how good his gimmick was. Scotty explained. It's true. Scotty's very articulate in his wording. Ron Reese? What about him? Well, he was the Yetay. THAT is why Scotty (Ravens shoot name) didn't want him in his flock.
Probably the most annoyingly underrated piece of talent in ring ,on the mike and behind the announcers table. Give him the book anywhere and I bet he could make it work.
It was a solid, funny group. Ya they lost a lot but they were a interesting bunch of misfits. None of those guys would of won even if they weren't in the Flock. At least they were part of something. The WCW equvilant of the Job Squad in WWF.
Ravens run in WCW was very underrated. It got over even with the WCW fans that knew nothing of ECW. That tells me that if he was given a chance to grow in WWF, he would of had success there as well.
Raven has such a great mind for the business, why is he not a booker? Imagine if him and Paul Heyman teamed up, I think we'd be in for some great storylines.
Having a great mind and booking several hours a week for a family friendly entertainment show are two different things. Yeah, you didn't say WWE, but I'm just saying....i don't think people think about how hard it would actually be to try writing 6-12 hours of fresh content on a weekly basis. Who knows... maybe Raven would be great and book the best shows we've ever seen every week for the next 15 years...but it's not like he can just wave his wand and make great shows just because he has a great mind for the business (which I totally agree with. I could listen to Raven's perspective of the business all day)
@@EXPLISITemcee i know this is gravedigging but it's not really his fault. not much you can do when the higher ups book you like shit. just gotta work with what you're given and make the best of it at that point. not to mention WWE's inducted people that either barely stepped foot in WWE or never stepped foot in WWE before i think. like Jushin Liger. he had one WWE match (not counting WCW because i don't think it makes sense to) and he still made it into the HOF because he's a legend.
In my opinion, this is my idea of what The Flock should've been Raven (Leader) Saturn Kidman Sick Boy Crowbar/Devon Storm Stevie Richards Louie Spicolli (Lackey. Better fit here than the nWo) Chastity or Daffney (Valet) Wrath (Muscle for hire/bodyguard, not an official member) Kanyon (Associate of Raven, not an official member)
Lodi Spicouli Died In 1998. You Should Probably Kept Horace Hogan A Big Built Guy. Sure Noone Knew He Was Hollywood Hogan Nephew AR The Time Raven's Flock Was More Powerful Than Just About Every WWE Faction In 1998 & 1999. The Two Most Powerful WWE Factions In 1998 & 1999 Were The Corporation & The Nation Of Domination. Raven's Flock Can Rival Both. They Were More Powerful Than The Rest. They Lasted Longer Than The Ministry Of Darkness & Corporation & The CORPORATE MINISTRY. Them & Both NWO Factions Would've Took Over WWE In 1998. The WWE Corporation, Ministry Of Darkness & DX Couldn't Have Taken Over WCW. Noone Would See Them As A Threat To Superior WCW
The Flock was freaking awesome!! I was always thrilled when they were entering the ring with the announcer announcing the members names..yeah it was awesome to watch man.
I like how he sincerely gives respect to the OLD GUARD of professional wrestling. He knows his history and seems to be thankful to be a part of it. Really cool interviews.
"It's not up to me!!"😅 Of all my flock members they lost every outing lol so sincere n honest but still proud of his boys for at least getting to be on TV n having fun😊
I loved Ravens gimmick. How he just sat in the corner awaiting his opponent. His us title defense against goldberg was great. That crowd was great!! Hey, he got to hold the 2nd best belt in (at that time) the top wrestling organization and got paid well.
Raven comes up with some compelling ideas. But it's just management's old thinking that held down his clever ideas. I mean not all his ideas (or anybody's for that matter) are going to strike oil every time, but Raven had some real smart ideas.
You can argue it, but it doesn't fit, just because the look and feel seem similar, really it's very different, and I hate wwe just so you know, D-B and the wyatts are the first things I've cared for from that company since......rock vs hogan mostly...
The last sentences of Raven really made me think. You get a job as a wrestler and most of the the time your boss only wants you to sit in the first row and wach nitro live ... and you get paid for that. Nowadays if wwe would pay me I would consider watching raw every monday
Hey at least Raven was doing something. WCW would pay Brad Armstrong and Lanny Poffo close to $200,000 a year to stay home. That place was inept as fuck.
Kidman scratching all the time and having the finisher 7 year itch, man I was great!! It really worked and was over. Not alot can win a fan over when they've only seen them have 1 match, I knew who the flock was cause they had been building it for awhile, the first I saw Kidman have a 1 on 1 match, can't remember if he won or lost (probably lost) but that didn't matter cause he won me over and was probably only a 4-6min match. But the character when done right just worked so well!!
Agree that the Flock should have been smaller, with deeper focused backstory on members. Still, the personnel worked in terms of character and image, despite what Raven insists. Raven may not have liked them, but all were over and made sense in the storyline. Imo an improvement would have limited the group to Saturn, Kidman & Riggs, and perhaps a female valet (similar to Lacey in ROH's Age of The Fall)--then *developing* these characters using longer promos & vignettes.
Anyone else think Scott has a real soft spot for Kidman? Raven isn't the most complimentary dude at the best of times, but he calls Billy "great/incredible talented" at least twice in this short clip and smiles to himself when he talks about him. Same to a lesser extent for Sickboy. It's really very sweet, which is not an adjective usually used to describe Raven.
He was a sweet and caring person when I got his autograph, wanting to a trade an icp shirt for one of his. Great guy, he talked to me like we were best buds
Most people lament Sting vs the Undertaker never happened. Raven and the Flock attacking the Undertaker could have had some nice build up, too. Whoever commented on Raven being the Stalker instead of DDP would have fit that narrative perfectly, as well.
Edgehead10075 Cena has always been a joke. You telling me to get over it is the joke lol. You're the one getting butt hurt over my comment,so you really should be following your own advice :D... PS. Cena sucks lol. You still mad?
Edgehead10075 The autism is strong with this one lol. I'm laughing at you while you're the one who's getting mad over my comment lol,otherwise you would've never commented. Just another butt hurt Cena fanboy who's become my puppet. Fanboys like you are so easy to antagonize hahahaha. Keep replying butt hurt fanboy,your tears are delicious lol.
All the Flock members in general fit the criteria of the stable very well. With the exception of maybe Lodi, but I honestly think he was only put in to replace Raven's former lackey Stevie Richards when he left to go back to ECW. Horace Hogan too, he didn't need to be in the group either. All the others, however, fit in just fine IMO.
All of us rebellious teststerone zit teenagers back then loved this flock of weird rock/metal outcasts.It could ve been an even bigger hit if wcw played their cards right.
I loved Raven and his flock. It was like Revenge of The Nerds, except for replace nerds with jobbers. Never was a group lie that before, never been one like that since. Part of what made WCW in 1996-1997 some of the best wrestling in history.
This was one of the few things WCW let get over during the nWo reign of terror. Other than ECW, this was Raven at his peak. What about me?? What about Raven???
I am shocked that no organization has picked up on this idea. Maybe he's a pain to deal with. I've never heard that but he seems to be pretty well respected for his knowledge and outlook on the business. Why wouldn't he have that sweet booking job somewhere? Maybe Jarrett will give it to him.
I think had Raven stayed in WWE, the flock would have been a great addition to the tag team scene. I kinda see that with the Wyatt Family - Raven & The Flock, Undertaker & the Ministry Of Darkness etc.
Raven's Flock and Raven himself should have been pushed and booked for the main events in WCW once 1997 had ended, the possibilities of the feuds are endless. In 1998 have the Wolfpac fight with the nWo but dont have them as the main event, that way it gives a new fresh story to roll with by having Raven's flock as the new big heels
Man, I loved Raven's Flock back in the day! Out of all the factions on WCW The Flock was by far my favorite! I always felt like I was the only one that liked them, and I pretty much liked every member. Besides Raven, I think I liked Kidman and Sick Boy the best though.
I loved the flock. Saturn was frickin rad, Scotty Riggs had such cool look with the eye patch, plus Raven in ‘97 maybe had my favorite look and gimmick for any wrestler ever
I'll never forget the night my college roommates and I went to a WCW event in Erie, PA.....can't remember exactly what year but probably '98 or something. We were like 2nd row and Raven and his flock were there doing their thing where the flock sat ringside while Raven wrestled. Well, my roommate Sauce (typical short dude) is a little shit and he was in the aisle and on the gate talking so much shit to Kidman during Raven's match that dude actually broke character got up to come after him. Security grabbed my roommate immediately and kicked him out. We met up with him in the parking lot afterward. LOL. Great night. I never realized how tiny the ring was until I saw it live.
because of the wwe network I watched wcw from 97-99. I was a baby back then so I have 0 knowledge of wcw back then, when I was like 5 or so I knew Goldberg, hogan, and sting because they were so popular back then that you didn't need to be a fan to know them. so anyway I watched scotty Riggs when he was with ravens flock and had the whole eyepatch thing. I watched every episode so unless I missed something, I watched this dude Riggs lose every match for like 2yrs straight, I've seen a whole lot of jobbers in wrestling but I never seen a dude go on tv and lose that many matches consecutively, he was like the opposite of Goldberg. I think he should be inducted in the wwe hall of fame just for that incredible achievement alone.
It's kinda funny, in a way. Just coming up on Saturn's debut in WCW. Larry Zbyszko labeled Raven, Saturn, and I believe Sick Boy(Richards wasn't there that week). All Degenerates. This was also the same week HBK and HHH came up with the name Degeneration-X. To which the commentators called them degenerates. If Eric was really telling the truth about Pillman. About him returning to WCW. After his stint in ECW...This would have been the way to do it. If he hadn't jumped to WWF, that is. Him, Raven, Saturn, and Richards. Would have been pretty cool. But, at the same time. Yeah, it would have been the same thing as with the NWO. Outsiders from a different organization invading.
He was right, those guys should have been allowed to win, just for some variety. As unique as the NWO was, the novelty of having them up front and center all the time wore thin and eventually doomed WCW.
Lol he is right though. the nWo at the cool fun level it was in the beginning was just the same, if not more boring annoying and repetitive force by the beginning of 1998. By the time they were wrestling with Rodman and Leno? LOL get the fuck outta here
One of the most underrated wrestling talents ever.
hell yeah
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Raven is soooooooo smart about the business. Criminally overlooked talent.
Isnt he Johnny Polo? He was a great manager. And then yes, a great wrestler, and no doubt - this guy should probably run wrestling!
Joe Schmoe Yes, he was Johnny Polo and had a bunch of other gimmicks/names (e.g. Scott Anthony).
He has an IQ of 143 and a member of Mensa, he is very smart but he needs to stop wrestling and put more in the back of the house, maybe then WWE would pick him up again
Bubba J WWEkids sucks though.
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Ventura tried it first
Who else thinks if Raven was given DDP's stalker gimmick during the Alliance storyline it would have made so much more sense?
I thought that it was going to be Raven and Stevie Richards.
It should have been Raven
Are you referring to the ddp stalking undertaker wife gimmick?
@@je1888 yes, he is.
@@TheOGNoName I remember that crap...i didnt care for it.
The main thing I liked about Raven's Flock was how they just used to sit in the front row, not caring about the chaos that was ensuing between WCW and the nWo. Despite usually losing they were popular and each had a character and traits of their own that made them stand out which would be something you wouldn't see today.
Yeah his fued with a then rising Goldberg was great. Fans digged it
RAQUAAHWA TheCodedtestament like real world today. The awake people see the war going on in the world. But don't care about either side. Because they let people be but eventually will get eaten by the winner of the war.
David one of the top 5 audience pops in wrestling history involves Raven lol. The night Goldberg beat him for the US title the crowd went nuts.
I loved the flock.
Lodi, Reese, Sickboy and Riggs had no business being in the flock but at the same time most factions had their jobbers.
Billy Kidman and the seven year itch, the flock was cool as fuck.
Kidman did the best Shooting Star Press ever.
LMFAO!!!! "some must die so that others may live" LMAO
Tyrone Brown lol that impression was sweet!
that impression was dot on XD i lost it XD
+Tyrone Brown Man, im still laughing!
He could've just said, 'sorry, someone has to lose,' but this ended up being the most 'Kevin Sullivan' line ever, lol!!!!!
I was gonna type that
Raven: Hey, can you get my guys some wins?
Sullivan: Some must die so that other must live
Raven: ._.
I was such a fan of Raven's Flock.. Miss the WCW years, the 90's was the bomb..
Yeah it sure was. Monday Nitro kicked so much ass!
You are right, It's too bad WCW Nitro was out of business cause Mr McMahon brought the Stock Company.. If it was on-air WCW Nitro would still give WWE whoop a** in the Monday Night Wars..
When Sick boy wrestled Goldberg I thought they were going to pull a mad twist where he won somehow and ended the streak
Skepticalsteven Oops. Actually, I was thinking of Lodi
Yeah u are right I remember Sick Boy and Lodi when they went up against Goldberg, I just felt sorry for them, all because Raven was in denial to face Goldberg one-on-one. Well although Goldberg destroyed Sick Boy and Lodi, at least Goldberg finally got his hands on Raven and crushed him too.. #WhatAboutRaven
Raven is the smartest man in wrestling. And if you don't believe me, just ask him.
He said you're right...and also to share the video
AnimalHouseVetVideos What about me?
"What about me? What about Raven?!"
I've said this line so many times and my name isn't even Raven LOL!!!
But it worked! The Flock was over with the crowd! We talked about it in school.
Yup, there were always a lot signs of Raven & Flock in the crowd.
Raven should be a booker somewhere, the guy is extremely intelligent with the wrestling business.
Chase Allen TNA should've definitely put him on the creative team instead of Vince Russo or Christy Hemme.
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wait. Hemme is a booker over Cornette or Raven? LMFAOOOO
*****
I could live without the attitude era.
Nope it would have continued on. The whole industry wouldn't have went bankrupt.
WWE isn't the entire industry.
Honestly, Raven's Flock was one of the most interesting parts of WCW when I started watching. I started watching WCW a couple months before Starcade '97. WCW's midcard was absolutely crushing everything WWF had to offer, and Raven's Flock was a gigantic part of that. Raven was right in that the Flock was "The most over group that lost all their matches."
Yeah, they were a bunch of jobbers, but just think of the fates of those people after the Flock was gone, nearly all of them were not seen on TV after that.
I do think, though, that Kidman was a bit too confident for his level of skill. He's amazingly talented, but never did have the voice to be a main eventer as others said he always demanded to be. He sounded like a 14 year old kid out there when he finally was allowed to talk, obviously the reason why they kept him off the mic until that point.
Global Warming Skeptic remember when Saturn beat Disco.... That was huge...Raven was one of Goldberg 's best apponents...
Most Of Raven's Flock Were Seen After They Disbanded; Raven, Saturn, Van Hammer, Horace Hogan, Lodi, Billy Kidnan And Kanyon. They Except Lodi All Had Matches Against Top Stars.
"some must die so others may live" that better be an exact quote from Kevin Sullivan, that was awesome.
Travis williams someone needs to make a meme out of that! pure gold
yes.
Travis W tell me that doesn’t sound like Kevin Sullivan? If you saw him promo you would not even question it
Raven actually once used that line in a WCW backstage promo vignette he cut on Goldberg (about Goldberg's 34-0 win streak iirc).
Met Raven out one night in Atl years ago at the Mouse Trap/Diamond Club...whatever it was called then. I went up to him told him I was a huge fan, shook his hand, and that was it...he was super cool and very, very nice guy, and one of the best wrestlers of all time.
1:53 Raven imitating Kevin Sullivan.. lmao!!
Raven is so important to wrestling, and people who don't understand that statement clearly don't know the business. Raven has helped countless stars fully tap their potential and he is just a brainiac when it comes to connecting with the audience. I was like 8 when the Flock was on WCW, and I liked him without realizing how fantastic on the mic he was. The quotes and everything were just genius. Like Goldust's quotes in 95-96, just such an awesome approach to their characters
Couldn't agree more...a true genius in the business. Thank you and check out our other clips!
Raven was great at taking bumps for other wrestlers
Outside of Raven, Kidman was my favorite in the Flock.
JohnsonB1987 mine too
JohnsonB1987 raven Kidman and sick boy my fav members
Raven
Saturn
Kidman
Mines too
@@adriancaruso5546 you can never go wrong with either Saturn or Kidman.
Raven had the dopest finisher. The look of Eddie Vedder and the move Even Flow
My favorite wrestler of all time. He is so damned talented. It's really a shame that he doesn't get the recognition he deserves.
Raven should be in the WWE Hall of Fame an extreme, hardcore legend!
It's doubtful anytime soon, he has filed several lawsuits against the WWE and due to so many talents not yet inducted Raven would be way down on the inductee list, great talent though, mic skills and a good wrestler
Reggie Cook As who? Johnny Pollo? Are they going to ignore that part or treat Raven like Polo never existed? Or induct the person?
RNC200711 you mean a good brawler....
It depends on Triple H, now that he runs Vince’s company
Dude if that's you in your avatar you look like Jon Jones
I have to say that when Scott Levy came to WCW as Raven in 1997,I foolishly believed that WCW would push him to the moon and back.I believed that his time in ECW gave him enough pull to become a top star in WCW this time around,but he still did very well considering that there were so many more well established top guys ahead of him.I will say that even with all of the incompetence and laziness of WCW booking,they still booked and presented Raven a lot better than the WWF did.
Raven’s Flock was my favorite part of WCW every week. Such a criminally underrated stable. Imagine Raven vs Sting for the title in ‘98! Or Raven vs DDP for the strap after Page won it.
Kidman didn't realise how good his gimmick was. Scotty explained. It's true. Scotty's very articulate in his wording. Ron Reese? What about him? Well, he was the Yetay. THAT is why Scotty (Ravens shoot name) didn't want him in his flock.
Probably the most annoyingly underrated piece of talent in ring ,on the mike and behind the announcers table. Give him the book anywhere and I bet he could make it work.
***** Couldn't agree more..hence the ''annoyingly underrated''
JohnACorp782 I should book you two in a Falls Count Anywhere match.
He was smart, but he was alot of lip service. He just knows everything in hindsight and he still has his same attitude problem.
It was a solid, funny group. Ya they lost a lot but they were a interesting bunch of misfits. None of those guys would of won even if they weren't in the Flock. At least they were part of something. The WCW equvilant of the Job Squad in WWF.
Ravens run in WCW was very underrated. It got over even with the WCW fans that knew nothing of ECW. That tells me that if he was given a chance to grow in WWF, he would of had success there as well.
As in wwe a few times..early 90s also
Raven's run was decent. He won the U.S. Title from DDP and won the WcW tag team titles with Saturn. It could have been much better though.
Lost every single outing 😂🤣😂 I loved these guys back during the Monday night wars
Raven has such a great mind for the business, why is he not a booker? Imagine if him and Paul Heyman teamed up, I think we'd be in for some great storylines.
Those two collaborating would be gold indeed!
Having a great mind and booking several hours a week for a family friendly entertainment show are two different things. Yeah, you didn't say WWE, but I'm just saying....i don't think people think about how hard it would actually be to try writing 6-12 hours of fresh content on a weekly basis. Who knows... maybe Raven would be great and book the best shows we've ever seen every week for the next 15 years...but it's not like he can just wave his wand and make great shows just because he has a great mind for the business (which I totally agree with. I could listen to Raven's perspective of the business all day)
Raven definitely deserves to be in the WWE Hall of Fame in the future, for his combined work with ECW, WCW, and WWE
brennon dixon He was horrible in the WWE.....
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Raven had a combined 27 title wins in WWF
@@Thebossstage1, *Hardcore title wins
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Title wins none the less
@@EXPLISITemcee i know this is gravedigging but it's not really his fault. not much you can do when the higher ups book you like shit. just gotta work with what you're given and make the best of it at that point. not to mention WWE's inducted people that either barely stepped foot in WWE or never stepped foot in WWE before i think. like Jushin Liger. he had one WWE match (not counting WCW because i don't think it makes sense to) and he still made it into the HOF because he's a legend.
Raven needs to be a general manger he knows the wrestling business.
In my opinion, this is my idea of what The Flock should've been
Raven (Leader)
Saturn
Kidman
Sick Boy
Crowbar/Devon Storm
Stevie Richards
Louie Spicolli (Lackey. Better fit here than the nWo)
Chastity or Daffney (Valet)
Wrath (Muscle for hire/bodyguard, not an official member)
Kanyon (Associate of Raven, not an official member)
Lodi Spicouli Died In 1998. You Should Probably Kept Horace Hogan A Big Built Guy. Sure Noone Knew He Was Hollywood Hogan Nephew AR The Time Raven's Flock Was More Powerful Than Just About Every WWE Faction In 1998 & 1999. The Two Most Powerful WWE Factions In 1998 & 1999 Were The Corporation & The Nation Of Domination. Raven's Flock Can Rival Both. They Were More Powerful Than The Rest. They Lasted Longer Than The Ministry Of Darkness & Corporation & The CORPORATE MINISTRY. Them & Both NWO Factions Would've Took Over WWE In 1998. The WWE Corporation, Ministry Of Darkness & DX Couldn't Have Taken Over WCW. Noone Would See Them As A Threat To Superior WCW
Great Kevin Sullivan impression :)
Some must die So others can live"
Raven was a genius
Raven and Vampiro had a nice group that had like about month together in 99. in August of that yr Raven went back to ECW
The Flock was freaking awesome!! I was always thrilled when they were entering the ring with the announcer announcing the members names..yeah it was awesome to watch man.
One of the greatest wrestlers ever should have got a bigger push
I like how he sincerely gives respect to the OLD GUARD of professional wrestling.
He knows his history and seems to be thankful to be a part of it.
Really cool interviews.
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+txmetalhead82xk " old guard." Shit, to me he's the new guard. I remember the Iron Sheik, Nikoai Volkoff, and Rick Flair...
I think he should be a writer for wwe or come back in some capacity.
lurewars Nobody gives a fuck about that shit era.
***** it was called crow sting, cause a movie called the crow came out and he got the idea from that.
Raven was the jim morrison of wrestling,clever,cool,and totally thinking outside the usual plots. Fav wrestler.
Raven and Al Snow are so underrated. Deserved way more. And both deserve to be in the hall of fame.
"It's not up to me!!"😅 Of all my flock members they lost every outing lol so sincere n honest but still proud of his boys for at least getting to be on TV n having fun😊
I loved Ravens gimmick. How he just sat in the corner awaiting his opponent. His us title defense against goldberg was great. That crowd was great!! Hey, he got to hold the 2nd best belt in (at that time) the top wrestling organization and got paid well.
Raven comes up with some compelling ideas. But it's just management's old thinking that held down his clever ideas. I mean not all his ideas (or anybody's for that matter) are going to strike oil every time, but Raven had some real smart ideas.
ravens flock was dope but they were underused .. kidman was dope ..
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Why is it that every time someone busts out a Sullivan impression it's absolute gold?
You can pretty much argue that The Wyatt Family are a modern day Raven's Flock only with a backwoods twist
You can argue it, but it doesn't fit, just because the look and feel seem similar, really it's very different, and I hate wwe just so you know, D-B and the wyatts are the first things I've cared for from that company since......rock vs hogan mostly...
WCW Raven was a figure that was to be respected. He was dark and cool.
I recall Vampiro later joined WCW as a similar dark character as well.
Ravens Flowck was awesome.
"Some must die so that others can live!" - Legend.
The last sentences of Raven really made me think. You get a job as a wrestler and most of the the time your boss only wants you to sit in the first row and wach nitro live ... and you get paid for that.
Nowadays if wwe would pay me I would consider watching raw every monday
Hey at least Raven was doing something. WCW would pay Brad Armstrong and Lanny Poffo close to $200,000 a year to stay home. That place was inept as fuck.
hgonz14 They do that with Big Show now ...
Honestly WCW dropped the ball on Raven's Flock could have had way more potential
Raven should come back to the WWE and be revealed as the Patriarch of the Wyatts.
SULIIVAN" SOME MUST DIE SO OTHERS WILL LIVE" RAVEN IMPRESSION LOL 1:50 HAHAHA
Kidman scratching all the time and having the finisher 7 year itch, man I was great!! It really worked and was over. Not alot can win a fan over when they've only seen them have 1 match, I knew who the flock was cause they had been building it for awhile, the first I saw Kidman have a 1 on 1 match, can't remember if he won or lost (probably lost) but that didn't matter cause he won me over and was probably only a 4-6min match. But the character when done right just worked so well!!
I loved him in The Flock too
Agree that the Flock should have been smaller, with deeper focused backstory on members. Still, the personnel worked in terms of character and image, despite what Raven insists. Raven may not have liked them, but all were over and made sense in the storyline. Imo an improvement would have limited the group to Saturn, Kidman & Riggs, and perhaps a female valet (similar to Lacey in ROH's Age of The Fall)--then *developing* these characters using longer promos & vignettes.
Anyone else think Scott has a real soft spot for Kidman? Raven isn't the most complimentary dude at the best of times, but he calls Billy "great/incredible talented" at least twice in this short clip and smiles to himself when he talks about him. Same to a lesser extent for Sickboy. It's really very sweet, which is not an adjective usually used to describe Raven.
He probably does.
He was a sweet and caring person when I got his autograph, wanting to a trade an icp shirt for one of his. Great guy, he talked to me like we were best buds
Billy Kidman was so awesome.
I remember when Kidman did a sick Shooting Star Press off the ring apron onto somebody on the floor!
i loved the flock....mostly raven , Saturn and kidman tho
Adrian those were my fac
raven seems like a cool smart guy. he should have got a push for the WWF title back in the day. too bad vince never gave him a chance
I don't think a wrestler ever made a eye patch look as cool as Scotty Riggs did. I love his look as a kid and still do!
Oh man, that Kevin Sullivan impression is worth it's weight in gold, lol, oh man, LOVE Raven!!
It's something sullivan would say aswell
Most people lament Sting vs the Undertaker never happened. Raven and the Flock attacking the Undertaker could have had some nice build up, too. Whoever commented on Raven being the Stalker instead of DDP would have fit that narrative perfectly, as well.
Kidman was right, they lost way too much and it's when he left the Flock that he really became over.
Me being a younger wrestling fan I really liked his Tna days in 04-06. My favorite being his run as the NWA World champ.
Raven>Cena
Edgehead10075 Uh oh,a angry John Cena fanboy lol.
Edgehead10075 Cena has always been a joke. You telling me to get over it is the joke lol. You're the one getting butt hurt over my comment,so you really should be following your own advice :D... PS. Cena sucks lol. You still mad?
Edgehead10075 The autism is strong with this one lol. I'm laughing at you while you're the one who's getting mad over my comment lol,otherwise you would've never commented.
Just another butt hurt Cena fanboy who's become my puppet. Fanboys like you are so easy to antagonize hahahaha. Keep replying butt hurt fanboy,your tears are delicious lol.
Edgehead10075 In other words butt hurt lol.
Edgehead10075 No you're just a butt hurt fanboy lol.
All the Flock members in general fit the criteria of the stable very well. With the exception of maybe Lodi, but I honestly think he was only put in to replace Raven's former lackey Stevie Richards when he left to go back to ECW. Horace Hogan too, he didn't need to be in the group either. All the others, however, fit in just fine IMO.
All of us rebellious teststerone zit teenagers back then loved this flock of weird rock/metal outcasts.It could ve been an even bigger hit if wcw played their cards right.
I loved Raven and his flock. It was like Revenge of The Nerds, except for replace nerds with jobbers. Never was a group lie that before, never been one like that since.
Part of what made WCW in 1996-1997 some of the best wrestling in history.
This was one of the few things WCW let get over during the nWo reign of terror. Other than ECW, this was Raven at his peak. What about me?? What about Raven???
Ori0n1975 he would do interviews yet not wrestle.....wish he fought more...he barely fought....it was like 6 months of ringside bullshit...
tna or roh needs to hire Raven as an booker.
Good point! Raven more than deserves the spot
I am shocked that no organization has picked up on this idea. Maybe he's a pain to deal with. I've never heard that but he seems to be pretty well respected for his knowledge and outlook on the business. Why wouldn't he have that sweet booking job somewhere? Maybe Jarrett will give it to him.
love this channel.great videos..
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They should have put the rock n roll express in the flock. Would have been hilariousn
I think had Raven stayed in WWE, the flock would have been a great addition to the tag team scene. I kinda see that with the Wyatt Family - Raven & The Flock, Undertaker & the Ministry Of Darkness etc.
Raven's Flock and Raven himself should have been pushed and booked for the main events in WCW once 1997 had ended, the possibilities of the feuds are endless. In 1998 have the Wolfpac fight with the nWo but dont have them as the main event, that way it gives a new fresh story to roll with by having Raven's flock as the new big heels
"quote the raven nevermore!!" ; )
Raven and his Flock was one of my favorite things about WCW, to go along with Chris Jerichos heel title run.
Man, I loved Raven's Flock back in the day! Out of all the factions on WCW The Flock was by far my favorite! I always felt like I was the only one that liked them, and I pretty much liked every member. Besides Raven, I think I liked Kidman and Sick Boy the best though.
I loved the flock. Saturn was frickin rad, Scotty Riggs had such cool look with the eye patch, plus Raven in ‘97 maybe had my favorite look and gimmick for any wrestler ever
The perfect Flock: Saturn, Kidman, Crowbar and Daffney. Maybe Sickboy and Reese too.
Always loved the Flock. Great faction.
I'll never forget the night my college roommates and I went to a WCW event in Erie, PA.....can't remember exactly what year but probably '98 or something. We were like 2nd row and Raven and his flock were there doing their thing where the flock sat ringside while Raven wrestled. Well, my roommate Sauce (typical short dude) is a little shit and he was in the aisle and on the gate talking so much shit to Kidman during Raven's match that dude actually broke character got up to come after him. Security grabbed my roommate immediately and kicked him out. We met up with him in the parking lot afterward. LOL. Great night. I never realized how tiny the ring was until I saw it live.
because of the wwe network I watched wcw from 97-99. I was a baby back then so I have 0 knowledge of wcw back then, when I was like 5 or so I knew Goldberg, hogan, and sting because they were so popular back then that you didn't need to be a fan to know them. so anyway I watched scotty Riggs when he was with ravens flock and had the whole eyepatch thing. I watched every episode so unless I missed something, I watched this dude Riggs lose every match for like 2yrs straight, I've seen a whole lot of jobbers in wrestling but I never seen a dude go on tv and lose that many matches consecutively, he was like the opposite of Goldberg. I think he should be inducted in the wwe hall of fame just for that incredible achievement alone.
Loved Raven and the Flock. I still think Raven is one of the best United States Champions of all time. His feud with DDP was legendary.
You know, he's right, they were the most over Jobbers in WCW history.
Raven is awesome.
"SOME MUST DIE SO THAT OTHERS CAN LIVE!" LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One of the best gimmicks of the 90s.
God I completely forgot that the Flock was a thing in wCw! In some ways they were even cooler than the core nWo. I miss those days of wrestling!
I loved the flock one of the best stables in wcw
I was Raven Mark #1 back in the ECW Days...
Raven is of Mensa high IQ
It's kinda funny, in a way. Just coming up on Saturn's debut in WCW. Larry Zbyszko labeled Raven, Saturn, and I believe Sick Boy(Richards wasn't there that week). All Degenerates. This was also the same week HBK and HHH came up with the name Degeneration-X. To which the commentators called them degenerates.
If Eric was really telling the truth about Pillman. About him returning to WCW. After his stint in ECW...This would have been the way to do it. If he hadn't jumped to WWF, that is.
Him, Raven, Saturn, and Richards. Would have been pretty cool.
But, at the same time. Yeah, it would have been the same thing as with the NWO. Outsiders from a different organization invading.
that last line is pretty classic
He was right, those guys should have been allowed to win, just for some variety. As unique as the NWO was, the novelty of having them up front and center all the time wore thin and eventually doomed WCW.
Shut the hell up wit that bullshit narrative.
Lol he is right though. the nWo at the cool fun level it was in the beginning was just the same, if not more boring annoying and repetitive force by the beginning of 1998. By the time they were wrestling with Rodman and Leno? LOL get the fuck outta here
ed weer good point....from 95 to 97...was my fav time for WCW....
ed weer funny enough the TNA aces group....they did the same...started cool then it got dumb...Hogan and Sting beating up 5 members etc....
I liked the Flock. They were one of the cool group. I didn't like how they were under shadow as a faction back in WCW.
Raven Rulesss!
Raven was cool back in the day. These interviews r great. Eye opening.
So quote the Raven... Nevermore!
Those where the good days, the Raven Flock, before the Wyatt Family #followthebuzzards!