Putters are so personal to each golfer, so use whatever works best for you. Most good putters have a lot of confidence when standing over a putt. Ex. I’m a Scotty Cameron Newport 2 Select guy. When I stand over a putt with my putter, I feel like I can make most putts. You’re correct, no putter is going to help you with reading the greens, so learn to read greens better. Just like no iron or wood is going to make you a better player, you must learn how to do that better, along with course management. Cheers.
Putters are such a personal thing. It’s a what feels right for you that day at that course. I do prefer a heavier putter to help get the ball rolling though my son prefers a lighter putter.
Excellent presentation Chad, Guerin Rife was the first to put roll groove technology on a putter face, it’s great stuff but personally I do better with an insert face putter. Guys that are generally good putter’s benefit more from the new technology
Thanks, Jim. I had a Rife 2 bar before and loved it. But, at the end of it, the best putter is simply the one that gets the ball rolling over the right spot, at the right speed, most often.
I enjoyed all of your content on the different swing techniques very much. If you decide to do it again I would be really interested in a series on the Scotty grip. It seems so bizarre.
Love the way u give ur reason of not recording as much lately in the beginning of the video. Nicely said👏. Also like your explanation on how this putter works.
How has the DF2.1 been holding up? I am a big belief in the LAB concept. I have tried the 2.1, the Link 1 and the DF3. So much so I ordered my first new LAB (all the others were bought used or traded for) DF3 broomstick. I hope you have found it helpful as well. A lite grip hold is key to let it swing freely. That is why I went with the broomstick/sweeper.
I've gone through 6 putters the last 5 years. Bought a used Scotty Newport blade and went from 3 putting a few holes a round to almost every hole. Then got an older Ping blade, the yips continued, then tried an Odyssey mallet,still having yips, then tried some off brands still continued to 3-4 sometimes 5 putts, which almost made me quit the game. Went back to a 2 ball Odyssey putter bought it off eBay and now I'm feeling better when I get on the green. Putting with a $1000 dollar club or an off the rack comes down to feel and confidence
First of all, it was nice to see you on course however briefly. I'm glad that you're enjoying yourself. 272, nice poke there old man! I guess that a real data scientist could prove me wrong. Maybe. But I seem to putt pretty much the same with any putter that I have liked. The psychological aspect seems to be the biggest for me from what I can tell. If I start hitting my irons really well, it's crazy how many 10-30 footers that I start to make. My bad, but I guess that I get more engaged when I feel like I'm giving the course a whooping. One thing that I notice is that marrying the line and pace is given lots of lip service but it's an incredibly subtle science. I have had times when I can visualize the subtle shifts in line nearer the hole as the putt slows down with amazing precision and the putts seem to have a desire to go in. I see tour pros getting this wrong all of the time on makeable putts. It helps me to think that there is not just one line and speed but they change as the ball approaches the hole. Part of that in my mind is also reallizing that the putt may NEED to go in from a different angle than just straight in. Of course, you can only set the ball off on one line and speed but thinking about many helps me really experience the way the putt will travel to the hole more subtly. I think that the more accurately you can see something happen, the more that your body can make it happen. I really think that Tiger must have operated this way with the number of putts that he made in his prime and of course, he is so detail-oriented in everything. I believe that Chamblee did something a while ago about how the putting numbers haven't really improved despite all of the coaching and technology. I wondered if the average green speed had anything to do with that but the question is interesting. The LAB putter is of course based on very solid technology and should in theory make a de facto difference in your ouitcome but to my mind, the fact that you believe in it is just as impactful a factor. The pitfall may just be when players have so much confidence in technology that they start to rely on it to the detriment of attention to other important but subtle details. Cheers.
You're absolutely in line with me on these things. I agree. The Chamblee analysis, the confidence being just as important and the science, etc. Great stuff here.
Chad, I used to putt with an Odyssey Rossie that I liked, then I switched to a Scotty Cameron Select Newport 2.5, then about 2 years ago, I got fitted for the LAB DF 2.1 and I really like the way it feels. Took a little bit to get used to it, but well worth it. I occassionally go back to one of my old putters just to remind myself how good the LAB is. I tried the Mezz and the Link, and even the new DF 3, but I prefer the DF 2.1
Can I ask you a question that is related to your video about rating the different instruction? Do you see a problem in combining Marcus Eblad and Shawn Clement’s teaching. Or would you just pick one and stick to it. I love them both. I am narrowing my focus down to either both of them or one of them. Thanks for all your help
It's a fair question. There are a few commonalities I could see, sure, but ultimately, the philosophies as a whole are pretty different. I think it would depend on the individual, and what things you incorporated into your swing from each. Shawn puts a lot of stock in the lower body really helping to drive the throwing motion of the club, with intention AT the target. Marcus uses his hands and a pushing motion, with intended line of the club traveling about 45 degrees, rather than AT the target.
Thank you so much for the answer, Chad. I see what you’re saying. Trouble is I’ve had success trying both and I like both of their approaches to teaching. And both are very likable guys. Guess I’ll flip a coin😎🤷🏽♂️
Stick with the one that gets you the most predictable shots more often, but not just what you believe is better, but what you measure and quantify to be better.
Great advice! I worked on some of Marcus’ drills for driver and had some of the best drives of my life. But about a year ago I was using Shawn’s perpetual motion drills and also really improving. The fact neither one preaches positions is what really resonates with me and seems to work best. I’ll take to heart what you said, analyze how I’ve done and make a decision. Really appreciate your help and concern. You’re a very good communicator by the way.
Best thing I ever did to my putting was going to an armlock. I had an old Odyssey Tank putter that I converted into an Armlock putter. I armlock and claw grip. I have dropped 6 strokes. My buddies call it the Bryson Dechambeau putter 😂
@@GolfTestDummy I think you should keep trying to armlock with the claw grip. I tried the claw grip awhile back, didnt like it but never really gave it a chance. But went back, gave it chance and now I will never go back.
Once you get used to that putter you will never go back to “conventional”. Practice a bit without your thumbs on the grip to gain confidence in the putter and lose the habit of manipulating the face from the other type of putters you had before. I have had one of these for 3.5 years (and counting) and since getting it I have changed most of the other clubs multiple times, and the putter hasn’t gone anywhere - it’s not even a consideration because I know that with this putter it’s all about speed and read, the start line is almost guaranteed. In case you don’t do that yet, go learn aimpoint or other systematic green reading approach and your putting will go through the roof!
Putters are so personal to each golfer, so use whatever works best for you. Most good putters have a lot of confidence when standing over a putt. Ex. I’m a Scotty Cameron Newport 2 Select guy. When I stand over a putt with my putter, I feel like I can make most putts. You’re correct, no putter is going to help you with reading the greens, so learn to read greens better. Just like no iron or wood is going to make you a better player, you must learn how to do that better, along with course management. Cheers.
Putters are such a personal thing. It’s a what feels right for you that day at that course. I do prefer a heavier putter to help get the ball rolling though my son prefers a lighter putter.
You're spot on. It's a very personal thing.
Excellent presentation Chad, Guerin Rife was the first to put roll groove technology on a putter face, it’s great stuff but personally I do better with an insert face putter. Guys that are generally good putter’s benefit more from the new technology
Thanks, Jim. I had a Rife 2 bar before and loved it. But, at the end of it, the best putter is simply the one that gets the ball rolling over the right spot, at the right speed, most often.
I enjoyed all of your content on the different swing techniques very much. If you decide to do it again I would be really interested in a series on the Scotty grip. It seems so bizarre.
I've tried it. My wrist issues and that backwards hand.... immense pain for me personally.
@@GolfTestDummy thanks for responding. I tried it a couple of times myself. Very strange.
Love the way u give ur reason of not recording as much lately in the beginning of the video. Nicely said👏. Also like your explanation on how this putter works.
You're a fan club of one my friend. Thanks a bunch for the kind words.
How has the DF2.1 been holding up? I am a big belief in the LAB concept. I have tried the 2.1, the Link 1 and the DF3. So much so I ordered my first new LAB (all the others were bought used or traded for) DF3 broomstick. I hope you have found it helpful as well. A lite grip hold is key to let it swing freely. That is why I went with the broomstick/sweeper.
I've gone through 6 putters the last 5 years. Bought a used Scotty Newport blade and went from 3 putting a few holes a round to almost every hole. Then got an older Ping blade, the yips continued, then tried an Odyssey mallet,still having yips, then tried some off brands still continued to 3-4 sometimes 5 putts, which almost made me quit the game. Went back to a 2 ball Odyssey putter bought it off eBay and now I'm feeling better when I get on the green. Putting with a $1000 dollar club or an off the rack comes down to feel and confidence
It's a horrible game, why do we play it? Haha.
@@GolfTestDummy thanks Chad, I suppose we just like to abuse ourselves 🤣🏌️
How’s the DF 2.1 working for you after a few months of playing with it?
Have you stopped doing videos
First of all, it was nice to see you on course however briefly. I'm glad that you're enjoying yourself. 272, nice poke there old man! I guess that a real data scientist could prove me wrong. Maybe. But I seem to putt pretty much the same with any putter that I have liked. The psychological aspect seems to be the biggest for me from what I can tell. If I start hitting my irons really well, it's crazy how many 10-30 footers that I start to make. My bad, but I guess that I get more engaged when I feel like I'm giving the course a whooping. One thing that I notice is that marrying the line and pace is given lots of lip service but it's an incredibly subtle science.
I have had times when I can visualize the subtle shifts in line nearer the hole as the putt slows down with amazing precision and the putts seem to have a desire to go in. I see tour pros getting this wrong all of the time on makeable putts. It helps me to think that there is not just one line and speed but they change as the ball approaches the hole. Part of that in my mind is also reallizing that the putt may NEED to go in from a different angle than just straight in. Of course, you can only set the ball off on one line and speed but thinking about many helps me really experience the way the putt will travel to the hole more subtly. I think that the more accurately you can see something happen, the more that your body can make it happen. I really think that Tiger must have operated this way with the number of putts that he made in his prime and of course, he is so detail-oriented in everything. I believe that Chamblee did something a while ago about how the putting numbers haven't really improved despite all of the coaching and technology. I wondered if the average green speed had anything to do with that but the question is interesting. The LAB putter is of course based on very solid technology and should in theory make a de facto difference in your ouitcome but to my mind, the fact that you believe in it is just as impactful a factor. The pitfall may just be when players have so much confidence in technology that they start to rely on it to the detriment of attention to other important but subtle details. Cheers.
You're absolutely in line with me on these things. I agree. The Chamblee analysis, the confidence being just as important and the science, etc. Great stuff here.
Chad, I used to putt with an Odyssey Rossie that I liked, then I switched to a Scotty Cameron Select Newport 2.5, then about 2 years ago, I got fitted for the LAB DF 2.1 and I really like the way it feels. Took a little bit to get used to it, but well worth it. I occassionally go back to one of my old putters just to remind myself how good the LAB is. I tried the Mezz and the Link, and even the new DF 3, but I prefer the DF 2.1
That's encouraging to hear. I think in a couple of months, and tracking my stats like I do, there will be a noticeable difference.
Can I ask you a question that is related to your video about rating the different instruction?
Do you see a problem in combining Marcus Eblad and Shawn Clement’s teaching. Or would you just pick one and stick to it. I love them both. I am narrowing my focus down to either both of them or one of them. Thanks for all your help
It's a fair question. There are a few commonalities I could see, sure, but ultimately, the philosophies as a whole are pretty different. I think it would depend on the individual, and what things you incorporated into your swing from each. Shawn puts a lot of stock in the lower body really helping to drive the throwing motion of the club, with intention AT the target. Marcus uses his hands and a pushing motion, with intended line of the club traveling about 45 degrees, rather than AT the target.
Thank you so much for the answer, Chad. I see what you’re saying. Trouble is I’ve had success trying both and I like both of their approaches to teaching. And both are very likable guys. Guess I’ll flip a coin😎🤷🏽♂️
Stick with the one that gets you the most predictable shots more often, but not just what you believe is better, but what you measure and quantify to be better.
Great advice! I worked on some of Marcus’ drills for driver and had some of the best drives of my life. But about a year ago I was using Shawn’s perpetual motion drills and also really improving. The fact neither one preaches positions is what really resonates with me and seems to work best.
I’ll take to heart what you said, analyze how I’ve done and make a decision. Really appreciate your help and concern. You’re a very good communicator by the way.
Best thing I ever did to my putting was going to an armlock. I had an old Odyssey Tank putter that I converted into an Armlock putter. I armlock and claw grip. I have dropped 6 strokes. My buddies call it the Bryson Dechambeau putter 😂
Nothing wrong with that. Even the haters wish they had a tenth of Bryson's game.
@@GolfTestDummy I think you should keep trying to armlock with the claw grip. I tried the claw grip awhile back, didnt like it but never really gave it a chance. But went back, gave it chance and now I will never go back.
Once you get used to that putter you will never go back to “conventional”. Practice a bit without your thumbs on the grip to gain confidence in the putter and lose the habit of manipulating the face from the other type of putters you had before. I have had one of these for 3.5 years (and counting) and since getting it I have changed most of the other clubs multiple times, and the putter hasn’t gone anywhere - it’s not even a consideration because I know that with this putter it’s all about speed and read, the start line is almost guaranteed. In case you don’t do that yet, go learn aimpoint or other systematic green reading approach and your putting will go through the roof!
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