I'm French and I never knew there was such a dispute, we always talk about the "French Mont Blanc" and the "Italian Mont Blanc" to talk about the different parts of the mountain
the video is wildly inaccurate on many points. pretty sure the dispute is over the summit, the french claim is not that the entire mountain is theirs. also "Savoy-Sardinia" was never a thing, it was Sardinia-Piedmont, the Kingdom of Naples hadnt been a thing for decades at the time of Garibaldi's expedition of the thousand and the french had nothing to do with Veneto, italians annexed it after the austro-prussian war.
I even, in Italy, neve heard about it. If exist a dispute like that should be something extremly uninportant and this is why i stopped the video after 1 min. It's pointless even because we are talking about interna EU borders
This video lacks a fundamental evidence that resolves the case in Italian favor. During the treaty of Turin (1860) the Italian government gave the administrative region of Savoy to France and the border between the Valle d’Aosta and Savoy was in the middle of Monte Bianco. Then after WW2 the french treaty of Turin was lost and then the French government started claiming jurisdiction on the top of Monte Bianco due to an earlier treaty made by Napoleon in 1797. This of course was a ridiculous claim made by the French government to obtain popularity, and today the top of Monte Bianco has Italian infrastructures on it. Please if you read this, Politics with Paint, make it the pin comment. By the way just saying, even the map of NATO has the mountain top divided in half between Italy and France.
If I remember correctly only the french documents of the treaty got lost after WW2 while the Italian ones still exists, but the french simply don't care and pretend that the treaty doesn't exist anymore just because they lost the documents. It's like if someone refused to pay the bills because they've lost them, it makes absolutely no sense.
i didn't know this was even a thing, always knew it was half french, half italian. Borders in Europe are designed following natural barriers so it makes perfectly sense to be like that
How border are design to ? Look at nothern part of France lool. Belgium literally is inside natural french border. A part of Netherland too. Luxembourg too. Little part of Germany too World isn't simple as that. Mont Blanc fully was in savoie territory. Savoie was given to France
@@gringologie9302 in fact belgium Is half ethnically french. You are talking about a geographical area with no natural barriers wich has been a contended territory and at war for centuries lol, this area was choose to place the european parliament for this reason, to mantain peace especially between Germany and France
@@Alleniro Honestly calling French people ''froggies'' is kinda cringe, i live in France and NEVER have i seen a single soul eat frogs, snails or anything related to theses in restaurants by the way i agree, i support Italians cause this border just looks ugly and the Italians' are better
"Both sides completely unwilling to compromise" But like, Italy's position seems to be "We share the mountain", which is at least some measure of compromise compared with France's "C'est a mine!!"
@@godogs89 and all the territory was returned?? Well except for mainland france but that is frances land. And french Guyana was not returned because no one there wanted independence so it remained french. And if france has to have a global trade embargo then so should the uk, AND ALL THE **OTHER** FORMER COLONIAL EMPIRES because they did the same things, why doesn't belgium go through this with what they did in the congo??? Because the modern president doesn't (or as far as we know) want to do bad stuff in the congo, same with the Uk and the irish potato famine, the monarchy during the famine may have wanted to continue exporting food from ireland despite the hunger and sickness, but that doesn't mean the current monarchy wants to cause a famine. Just like France and any other country with a bad past. So go cry to the UN
But it's simple... why don't we share it ? I'm French and not gonna lie, the Italians had a good idea when they said it was split in two. Mont Blanc and Monte Bianco 🇫🇷🇮🇹👍
it's based on the definition of the border, choosing montains isnt as simple as you think, they can be multiple factors that you can choose from (peaks, rivers, etc), and then there the variables.
the fact that the NATO maps use the italian version of the map tells us who the international community belive is right, (if you guys lost your version of the treaty of Turin it's YOUR FAULT).
Everyone in France think the Mount blanc is half French half Italian. And I think the « Italian » map is used in French school. That’s our government problem not French problem.
Italy gained Veneto by joining the Austro-Prussian war not with French support. They gained Milan and central Italy with French support in the second Italian war of independence.
@@levitschetter5288 *Austria. And they ceded Veneto to France knowing full well that it would be immediately transferred to Italy, they just considered a direct territorial transfer to a newly unified Italy too humiliating.
We not "gained" nothing, those lands was ours since the beginning. French and Austrians was the abusives here. Now things are almost fine... even if parts of my Friuli are still under control of foreign countries. I remember you that Friuli was founded Avril 3, 1077. 😤
I genuinely believed that Mount Blanc was split in half thanks to a small french tourist book from the 70s. They mentioned is disputed but commonly believed to be split
I actually live in the little city of St Gervais Les Bains, who owns the French « MontBlanc » and all of the story was very well explained. But the italians are right. There is a French Part and a Italian part of the « MontBlanc/Monte Bianco » It was a excellent video Edit: Thank you so much for 92 likes!
@@solinvictus1234 i mean of it comes to "honour" who TF is innocent? Italian honour is litteraly known in history to be worthless with the most popular examples being both world wars, but the Italian wars are such a sh*t show its quite amazing anyone cares. British honor is also renowned to be worthless, unless its against France i guess but thats mutual and a thousand years old rivalry. German honor... its a weird one since Germany as country is very young and before that was... confusing as hell. No but seriously may the country that never betrayed a single one of its agreement throw the 1st stone. Plus im pretty sure ever since Bismarck the matter of Honour in Geopolitic is considered worthless, then again its been a while since i studied realpolitik
@@Freedmoon44 The fact that you're ig or ant on the matter of Italy affairs in WW's, do not allow you to judge Italy as dishonourable in such a generalized way. Did you know that in WWI wasn't Italy to left the Triple Entente but Austro-Hungarians to betray the treaty and nullify it violating the Article 7? And if you want i will explain in details it to you. Did you know why Italy sided with Germany in WWII? Cause the dishonourable Americans, British and French, during the pact of London, do not gived the promised (verbally and on paper) lands to Italy agreed before the WWI and for that lands Italy lost millions of young men, that died for nothing at the end. Mussolini that fought WWI was so pissed off for this betrayal act that it would never side again with the allies. Germany honourable? Ahahah At the end of the day Italy's mistake was maybe to have been far too much honourable than anyone. No one it's innocent, but someone was less innocent that some others. And believe me, regarding the honour of Italians you do not know nothing, just the propagandistic side of the anglosaxon world.
@@solinvictus1234 ig or ant? My god english words shortened to stuff i cant even understand since ig for me means "in game" and ant means just that "ant". I can still claim that Italy was dishonorable because even if they were "betrayed" they still attacked their former ally after accepting a litteral bribe made by the one supposed to be their ennemy consisting of mere promise to give land to Italy. Italian war still justify italian dishonor in general. WW2 still Italians turning on their German ally the moment the allies started winning no matter how little they wanted the war its still not something you would expect or want out of an honorable people, no matter how justified Italy was in joining the Axis in the 1st place. Now if you start ranting about how the Entente betrayed those who fought with them, nezrly no ine liked the peacedeals. Italy didnt like the peace deal because they wanted more, Austria didnt like the peace deal because their empire got cut apart, Germany didnt like it because of the many restrictions and loss of land etc... Bulgaria didnt like it because they lost all of their empire, the Greeks didnt like the peace deals because the Turks didnt let them keep Constantinople and Asia Minor, Hungary HATED the peacedeal because they fought against Austria in the End and they got scammed out of 50% of their historical land, and finnaly France also didnt like the Peacedeals because while they won their territorial objectives and all, they wanted to cut Germany apart mike Austria and got disapointed aswell because UK and USA said "f*** that idea, no way it could backfire in i dunno 20 years or smt" The only real happy ones were Belgium and Luxemburg, cus it survived, Poland and the Baltics cus they got free, The slavs in Tcheqoslovakia and i swear i never know how its written pls help, the Slavs of Yugoslavia which frankly Italy was very unhappy about like hungary and Bulgaria, Romania, USA, and UK, even Japan got a bit disapointed over the result since they couldnt get more money though in their case the dispointment would hurt a bit later with China and the treaty of Washington i think. The Entente were facing the problem of everyone wanted everything but both claims clashed so they compromised and it led to many unhappy countries
@@Freedmoon44 the alliance treaty between Italy, Austria and Germany was purely defensive, since Austria is the one who declared the war against Serbia(without consulting Italy either), Italy had no reason to join the war. In ww2 Italy Mussolini got arrested and Italy surrendered to the allies, then Germany invaded the now neutral Italy and rescued Mussolini splitting Italy in half. Neither of the two wars has Italy betraying its allies, you can cope all you want, these are just the facts.
Italians share things when it suits them ...in this case the "let's share it" is not generous as it takes from the current French territory . The mont Blanc has been French for a long time. Before that it belonged to savoy. thus it Was never technically Italian. The Italian part of the mount blanc belongs to the Val d'Aoste and un itself it is a French speaking region within Italy. Which was reattached to Italy in a very debatable manner. So the debate could be to ask Italy to give up this French region. Let's be generous. Let's ask Italy to give half of the Val d'Aoste .. And then there will be no argument about the mont blanc. And yes, the occupation of France on 1940 is a very good argument too to cool off these idiotic Italian claims.
@@sylvaincroissant7650Valle d'Aosta is not a French speaking region, it's a Francoprovençal speaking region. Also French speaking does not imply France gets to claim it. Belgium and Switzerland exist.
@@diocanaja no. It is a French speaking region. And to this day French is an official language of this semi autonomous region. there have been recents efforts to Italianize the region though. Fair game. Francoprovençal is spoken there, but is not an official language. French is. Now if you look at the comments you will see that people also claim that Corsica is Italian and not French because the Corsican dialect resembles Italian so you can't have it both ways... The links of the Val d'Aoste to France is quite old actually and is not just a language thing. But nevertheless, the claim of the Mont Blanc itself by France is because it was always part of Chamonix, on all our maps. There are mountains everywhere over there anyway. This Italian claim is quite silly. You keep your mountains and we keep ours. There was also a thing about the French losing their version of the treaty of Turin and that somehow is a French fault. It turns out it was stolen/destroyed by the Germans during the occupation of France. And we still have a photography of the document anyway.
In this clip there are many incorrect informations. IE France helped the Kingdom of Sardinia to obtain Lombardy (annexed 1859), not Veneto (annexed 1866), and the Congress of Vienna was already happening during Napoleon's 100 days. The treaty of Turin (1860) clearly put the border at the watershed (there's even an attached map), passing through the highest peaks. During IIWW the French "lost" the maps that were attached to their copy of the treaty of Turin, and that farce begun. Mind that the alpine rescue in the "contested" area is always performed by the Italian CNSAS, since it would be ridicolus to reach that territory from Chamonix.
Problem is USA refused french legitimate claims in 1944 on all the Moutain Val d'Aoste, Vallées Occitanes et Arpitaness. USA thought that Italy could became communist doing this while De Gaulle And Tito hated each other. But truth is since 1922 french and occitan speaker here where forced to assimilate thanks to Mussolini politic of uniformisation. Italy backstabbed France in 1940 (and failed without Germans) even if italian occipation were not so harsh compared to german and later american/british. This last point make reconciliation easier between France and Italy even if France was not avenged for the backstab.
@@tot0m French talking of legitimacy and forced assimilation when they democratically eliminated German speakers from Alsace and Lorraine are funny. It would be interesting to see how this forced assimilation happened when, until the end of WWII, the second language taught in Italian schools was French.
@@neutronalchemist3241 I do not really see the point with Alsace-Moselle (not Lorraine) we are talking about France and Italy. We can talk about Italy and Germany too, 1943, 1944 république of Salo, annexion of Trento-Adige... if you really want to talk about forced assimilation OZAK and OZAV zone may interest you. I am alsatian, my ancesters were french even before Germany was created. Alsace-Moselle history is not so simple than in Alps. I didn't say France is more legitimate than Italy to rule in Aoste or everywhere else. I just say Italian irredentism and German irredentism is a bullshit for humanity, only trying to base racial identity first with hair color then with language and then make people hate each other. Mont Blanc had never been call Monte Blanco by his neightboor, it always had been Mont Blanc or Glaciales Montes, Mont Maudit, Mont Mallet... nothing to struggle with Tuscan (modern Italian).
@@tot0m LOL! when few French speakers in a minuscule region of little more than 100.000 inhabitants decrease it's "forced assimilation". When France eliminates millions of German speakers from two big regions "it's not that simple". 😂 Yes, it's that simple. Democratic France had carried out policies of forced assimilation that were worse than the fascist ones, for much more time than the fascists did, and succeeded in eliminating those pesky not-French form it's territory. Their choice. It become quite funny when they pretend to preach others. Especially others that have flourishing German and Ladin speaking communities. The only thing the French should try to teach to the Italians is how to get rid of them. As for Salo, since you are at it, you can also speak about the enlightened racial policies of Vichy France. The name of the mountain has nothing to do with the position of the border.
@@gringologie9302 "Italy isn't famous to protect environment" nope, we care about our environment as much as France and the rest of Europe. We've a lot of inaccesible islands protected by the law, national forest and a lot protected species (read the story of the reintroduction of the Appennine wolf and the Alpine Bears). Also we are very good on recycling (first in Europe for recycling paper); and to finish, right now we're doing new laws to protect animals and environment. Stop using this stupid prejudice, thanks.
@@nailil5722no France doesn't lmao, one google search would be enough to disabuse you of that notion. and no, a thing is not true because Sputnik Afrique said so 😂
I think it's important to underline that Aosta is a semi-autonomous region. This is highly respected by the Italian government who maintain limited control over the region's governance. The area functionally behaves as laid out by the Italian government though as far as the perception on the ground. The border crossings at the tunnel, service providers and signs displaying official authority contacts make is seem that way. The summit and main tourist attractions are largely operated by the Italian side in Courmayeur, Aosta
Italy and France should just hold a race to the top every few years. Whatever team plants the flag first gets ownership of the mountain until the next race.
@@strasbourgeois1 1st you haven't conquered shit, that would imply french troops there and de facto french authority and neither are true. 2nd you have nothing to settle cause you're nobody.
@@strasbourgeois1 "we conquered it" Ehm no. I don't see any french soldier on the mountain. And the buildings on the mountain were constructed by italian people. International law says that Monte Bianco (Mont Blanc) is both italian and french. LMAO, french imperialism is so funny.
@@sator3946 If there were a French soldier on the mountain, that would provoke Italy furthermore. Hypothetically, a French soldier crossing into Italian juridical land would be seen as something like trespassing or invasion. Something we are smart enough to understand. And again, like the video says, it can be written on paper or whatever, but you cannot stop the dispute.
The French base it's border on the treaty of Chambéry (1790’) but the new treaty of Torino (1860') say that the border Is based on the natural crest of the Mountain
But the treaty of 1860 has some obvious problems, its wording suggests they were not aware of the actual geography. That's why both sides can base their opinion on this treaty.
Italy in the treaty of “Torino” give Savoia and Nizza to France for the help against Austria in the second war of independence. So if the treaty of 1860 doesn't exist Italy would have Savoia and Nizza. The treaty signed by the two side but the french copy vanished misteriously.
If the border is based on natural crest of the mountain,Italy should start by sharing Monte Bianco di Courmayeur before telling to France to share Mont-Blanc. Strangely,i see no italian comment mentionning this "detail"... Biased judgment?
@@dapoun7228 Monte Biaco di Courmayeur is not the natural crest Would France share L'Aiguille du Midi? Oh right, with you French it goes :"What's mine is mine, what's yours is also mine"
My old Roman great-great grandfather Cato said 2000 years ago that the Alps are the wall of Italy. And he was very wise and was always right, and that meant that the Alps have always belonged to Italy.
The border makes perfect sense right where it is. You have one of the largest ridges in the alps, running almost east west, that perfectly divides Aosta(a long valley which opens out into the Italian lowlands) from Chamonix(which is in a valley that feeds out into lake Geneva), with the border along the ridge between the two. Borders in mountain areas are almost always run along the highest ridge line, as this one is. Its also the watershed divide
@@ServantoftheDivine1701 I am currently deciding on whether I should say "sorry m8, ur replying to the wrong person", or just go with it, and reply "Close, Socialism." and call it a day!
Italian government: Monte Bianco is split between you and us Italian people: eh, what the big guy said French people: Mont Blanc is split between us and them The entirety of NATO: your border splits Mont Blanc in half A treaty from 1860: the mountain is split French government: NuH-Uh!
"Love, which quickly arrests the gentle heart, Seized him with my beautiful form That was taken from me, in a manner which still grieves me. Love, which pardons no beloved from loving, took me so strongly with delight in him That, as you see, it still abandons me not...” ― Dante Alighieri,
Amor, ch'al cor gentile ratto s'apprende Prese colui de la bella persona Che mi fu tolta; e'l modo ancor m'offende. Amor ch'a nullo amato amar perdona, Mi prese del costui piacer sì forte, Che, come vedi, ancor non m'abbandona. The translation you offered changes a bit the meaning of the two stanzas, so, as I studied these verses recently and as an Italian, I'll try to write a better, non in the form of a poem, translation, more accurate to the original Love, which quickly inhabits the noble heart (noble as in pure; gentle is plain wrong, at least as it's used today) Seized him with my beautiful form That was taken from me, in a manner which still offends me. Love, which doesn't allow any beloved not to love (as in: it's impossible to not love back) Gave me so strong love of him, That, as you can see, still doesn't abandon me. Now my translation could be improved a lot, but it retains the original meaning a bit better, at least in my opinion, as I don't know all about English
What upset us Italian is the fact France always want all the cake. I mean, wtf, we agreed to share the Monte Bianco with you; we could decide to take all the peak. At the end, it was part of the Italian pre-unitary state of Sardinia-Piedmont. We agreed to gave you Savoy, not Monte Bianco. So, just be a good, grown up neighbour, and accept that the title of the "Highest State of Europe" will be shared among both of us.
Yeah, Savoy that was already french at that point like Nice. It's even ridiculous to consider the Aosta Valley Italian since they act more like an independant state and have a rare and rich culture.
Have you ever been to the Aosta Valley? It's definitely not "practically an independent territory". It's just an Italian autonomous region, same as Sicily or South Tyrol.
@@PhilomarinusPalianus wasn't my point , you were speaking as if italy could if it wanted claim all of the mountain due to historical claim and that the french should be gratefull for them not doing that , when in fact that sharing is from a treaty and sealed
@@Somegoodpersonyeah anyways, the summit of monte bianco, as shown on google maps and on NATO maps, is divided in two. So, next time somebody tells you "mount blanc is 100% french", just spit in their eyes and tell them the truth
As said in the treaty of turin that declares the passage of savoy and nizza to italy to france, the border pass truh the mont blanc/monte bianco giving half mount to france and half mount to italy, but france refer its border from a document dating 70 years before the treaty of turin making a huge mess
The Treaty of Turin has ambiguity aknowledge by both. French based their understanding on first annexation treaty that was voided at end of Napoleonic wars. So italians prefers a treaty from the begennig of 18 century. You really don't know your facts.
I recently went to Mont Blanc just a month ago. And I gotta say, it was amazing for someone who never saw such a high up place and never felt snow in my life up to that point. It was just, different snd it was magical to me. (I live in the tropics, so that's why)
@@kinggeedorah8303 you can cope and puke as much as you want but those territories still belongs to France now and its certainly doesnt seem like its gonna change anytime soon
The video is very inaccurate, France helped Italy only to conquer Lombardy during the second independence war. The Veneto region was annexed after the third war, with the help of Prussia, not France.
"Why Italy wants France to Return half of Mont Blanc" France cant return nothing that they dont have, the mountain is of both, France can say whatever they want but the international community is allineated with Italy.
wow, I'm suprised to see the french commentators saying that the mountain should be half and half. I mean probalìbily it is just a stereotype, but in Italy everyone thinks that the french are the most nationalist and patriotic people in Europe, seems not true, or at least seems not true anymore.
Its a bit... complicated There are plenty of patriotism and especially chauvinism in France still today, i mean former global empire and all that, being grouped with the underdogs and not the superpowers and all definitly hurts our pride one way or another. But in the meantime i also found as a french that in the West Europe the most Patriotic and nationalist people ive met were Italians because "grrr give us Corsica and Nice, and all the stuff you stole you damn frenchmen". Its a matter of pov really. The problem over the mountain is really not dealt with on the french side not because of needless pride however, but because no one actually gives a f about it beyond "oh yea, its french, neat", like the mere idea of sharing it with Italy never comes up because well, all we learn is that its french and its never mentionned again unless you study history thouroughly, geopolitics, or are just curious enough that stuff like this video shows up in recommandation. Really obscurity and the remnant of chauvinism (sorta nationalism except more french) is the litteral only thing that prevents us from actually dealing with this border inconveniance
@@NDScalio C'est débile de dire "on sait" quand on ne s'est pas plongé dans l'histoire du mont et des traités qui ont déterminé les frontières actuelles mdr
@@DaDa-ui3sw Quand t'étais gamin et qu'on te parlais du Mont Blanc, tu t'intéressais tant que ça aux traités? Nan, à la fin tu vas juste conclure dans ta tête qu'on en a une partie, et que l'Italie en a une autre, c'est tout.
@@NDScalio je disais pas "on sait" bêtement je m'en battais les couilles surtout mdr y a plein de Français aussi qui "savent" que le mont Blanc est français
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Fun fact: The Mona Lisa was not stolen, but sold by Leonardo himself, it was commissioned by the french. The funny thing is someone tried "stealing" it to bring it back to Italy once.
Continents are not clearly defined even as a concept, meaning that really you could even say that mount Everest is the tallest mountain of Oceania and you'd still be right
As far as I know, the dispute is whether the border pass through the main summit of Mont Blanc or through the highest subsummit Mont Blanc de Courmayeur, which is ~50m below and a few 100s meters away, a flat saddle separating the 2. This last summit is the one visible from Courmayeur, and not the main summit. It is also a rocky summit, while the main summit is only ice/snow. The key point on the treaty of 1860 is whether the border follow the ridge, as visible from Courmayeur, or through the watershed ridge, the redaction is unclear and the maps of the time, not so precise. Besides, due to continuous evolution of the snow/ice cover, the ridges from the main summit always change whereas the ones from the Mont blanc de Courmayeur do less (when rocks fall). Putting a border on a changing glacier is not the best idea when you can use a rocky ridge instead😀.
@@PoliticswithPaint To remain neutral,you should have mentionned that if the border has to follow the peaks of the mountain,France must share Mont-Blanc with Italy,but Italy as well must share Monte Bianco di Courmayeur with France... Unless this rule applies only to France?
@@dapoun7228 Monte Biaco di Courmayeur is not the natural crest Would France share L'Aiguille du Midi? Oh right, with you French it goes :"What's mine is mine, what's yours is also mine"
In reality, the document for the cession of Savoy to France during the Risorgimento sanctioned the division of Monte Bianco. This document has been compiled in two versions: one in Italian which still belongs to Italy and is the basis of Italian claims, and a French one which, however, France has lost over the course of history and therefore considers the Italian one invalid, a fake.
I'm Italian and i've never heard about this dispute before this video. I've always thought about the Monte Bianco as a splitted mountain, "more or less" half french and "more or less" half italian. But the fact that nor the French or Italian people are awared of it, shows how much they care
Fun fact: about Mona Lisa everything should have been resolved, recently an original copy of the paint has been found in Italy, so it is not a problem anymore
The Mona Lisa is more the face of the issue it’s not the issue itself, is famous so people use it as an example but it’s actually one of the few that wasn’t stolen but! the majority of the Italian art at the louvre is!
The fact is Mont Blanc as always been divided betwen France and Italy... That's proved by Turin's Treaty signed by both countries... The problem is Paris says they have lost their copy of the official maps.... But what count are international official treaties and not words.....
The valid treaty is the one following the cession of Savoy in 1860 in which the summit of Mont Blanc is halfway between the two states. This was the last treaty signed since following the end of World War II Italy has cedes some lands to France but none of them was on Mount Blanc. So the real border is the one of 1860 when thr borded was on the top od Mountain
@@gringologie9302 Savoia already had an administrative border with Valle d'Aosta, and the Monte Bianco was on the border, shared by the two regions. This can be seen in Sardinian maps before they gave the Savoia to the French. Napoleon stated: "La conséquence naturelle de cette cession serait de prendre comme frontières les limites administratives d'aujourd'hui". Moreover, after WW2 France did ask the UN to formalize a few changes to its border with Italy. It was the perfect time to reclaim the Monte Bianco. They did not. The Monte Bianco is split in half, a French side and an Italian side. STACCEEE
I really think that french politiciens need to think to ask the population (by referedum for example)... In my opinion, I agree Italian point of view (while I'm French).
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The French and the Italians send their very best close-quarters combatant to battle on the mountaintop to boost tourism for both sides, whoever's country wins owns all of the mountain for 4 years. If it is a draw, the whole mountain goes to Switzerland for 4 years until combatants can reconvene.
I'm both italian and french. Never heard in my life about such a "dispute". I've always heard people referring to the italian and french sides of monte bianco. I don't think it's a big deal as it's described
As an Italian I've never heard about that. Really EU made all possible territorial disputes a nonsense so who cares who owns Monte Bianco? Splitting it in half is enough. As it is
That's why a lot of people agreed on the diplomatic partition of Monte Bianco. French are too proud go on that eay, good or bad. That's why many in Italy can't stand France on Italic territories(no Italian, mind you). I.e. Corsica, Savoia(Savoy) and Nizza(Nice). (P.S. due to recent idiots I need to specify, I'm not stating my belief and my point of view. It's the general outlook. So before you make yourself a joke or just strengthen bad stereotypes,please think before you write) [I really need to say again Italic≠Italian]
You really consider Corse, Savoy and Nice to be Italian? Kinda cringe considering they are french speaking and cultured places, find yourself a stable government instead of being mad for France having more territory
@@SaladeDeFruitt Italic≠Italian, I can understand without prior knowledge all dialects of the region. Without talking about Corsica, that is litteraly just slightly different from Sardo.
Seems ridiculous that a mountain that was almost impossible to cross would be fully inside an historic region. When it comes to Franco-Italian relations, whe have far greater contrasts, so I'd say that these contrasts reflect on the mount rather than the other way around.
@@romaingillet2526 nope, Savoy took Sicily but exchanged it with the kingdom of Sardinia that was in Neapolitan hands, so just to have a Kingdom title they renamed them Kingdom of Sardinia, Piedmont was a principality
@@Beregorn88 Dude the cities welcoming the tourists are not at the top of the mountain... don't you have a brain? The border dispute is about a small unihabited area
@@gontrandjojo9747 Ok, I'll try to explain the situation using simple words: if you can only reach the summit from the french side, tourist that want to climb the mountain will stay, and spend their money, in Chamonix, instead of Courmayeur, causing a real economic damage to the Italian tourism industry. Can you see why it is a problem? The Italian alpine police has a duty of helping and saving people in the "contested" area (since it's "french" only when it comes to rake in profits, never when there is money to spend) but Chamonix's major built a gate on the safe trail preventing easy access to the area: multiple times the Italian police had to climb it, or leave the safe trail, while transporting hurt people. Can you see why it is a problem? For a long time, the only cable car reaching point Hellbronner was the one from Aiguille du Midi; after the opening of the Skyway now you can reach it from the Italian side too. Both Hellbronner and Aiguille du Midi are in french territory, but the same round-trip between the two costs almost 50% more if you come from the Italian side. Can you see why it is a problem?
Honestltly there is no tension around this issue. Since 1995 both governments are in charge to find a solution and do not prioritize it as important… therefore doing nothing. On top of national pride the real issue is who is in charge of rescue services which are provided free of charge, by both state. This point is already solved by an agreement called « la triangulaire » (including Switzerland) on rescue services provided on the area.
Actually we don't want them to return something that nobody agrees belong to them. With this title it seems that now it belongs entirely to them, but it's not. They act like if pur part belongs to them, and we keep acting like their claim is meaningless. There's a non agreement which doesn't make them the owners of the mountain.
@@lamouettegaming I will call smart as sh..t. Materazzi did that to get Zidane angry, and that worked flawlessly. It's no more and no less a smart tactic that any worlds Defender use, since the dawn of time and also in this days. It's the midfielder/striker that should be smarter than the defender and do not fall in hos provocations.
i never knew about this dispute, most prople in France think the montain is half french half italian, at least that is what i have been told as a kid (french family with some italian ancestry) I wouldn't mind french authorites aknowledging what everybody seems to know.
As an Italian, I just think it's unfair that France doesn't get to fulfil its claims. Sure, historically, it would make sense, but so would the island of Corsica, and yet nobody would doubt it is a rightfully French island
The Mont Blanc massif is indeed shared by 3 countries, but the Swiss have never had a claim to the tallest summit itself, which is what the video is talking about.
France and Italy should share it, French gov just has to say it is an act of international friendship and a show of european cooperation if they think that sharing would hurt their pride. In practice it already works like if it was shared (montain rescues being conducted by the Italians on their side for exemple).
As a German, I can only say, Monte Bianco is definitely Italian. If we can't have it, the frogeaters can't have it as well haha. (Not meant offensive ;D, but it is italian)
@@florianbarkowski6856 Thousands of documents were lost or destroyed when french administration left Paris just before nazis arrived in Paris in 1940. And other thousands of documents where lost or destroyed by german administration when nazis left Paris in 1944. So who really lost it,frog eaters or fritz? nobody knows... Still,i don't understand why everybody talks about this lost,as Italy provided to France a duplicata 30 years ago. A joint commission studied this map,and BOTH italian and french experts concluded that it was impossible to set a border with this map,as this map was drawn before any topographic survey was made. But it's interesting to know that when it's about stealing french land,the Germany/Italy axis still exists. Sadly,some countries will never really change...
International (not French) recognition of the peak of Monte Bianco splits it between France and Italy. We live in 2024 and we still can’t share in peace the peak of a stupid mountain at 4800+ metres above sea level
Why? There’s no reason to fight, because the mountain is split in two with the Treaty of Turin in 1860… and it doesn’t matter that France says “we lost our copy of the treaty during WW2”, in the hope that they can go back to the Napoleonic maps and try to steal someone else’s land yet again. Saying that a treaty isn’t valid just because you lost your copy, is as idiotic as throwing away your heating bill and then refusing to pay by saying that you owe no money for heating.
Mont blanc is the name we also taken over to give that mountain because us dutch heavily influenced by france maybe for balcan nations that closer and influenced by italy its monte blanco
@@ryanbrimson8238 woah, pal, it’s just a fact that Italy is way cooler than France. My opinions aren’t automatically factual, it just so happens that a fact and my opinion are side by side
@@ryanbrimson8238 ok, dude. There’s not a single reason whatsoever to get all feisty. I’m sorry that you couldn’t tell but I’m making a joke bub. You have no reason to be all upset. If you do, I genuinely need to hear it. Not once in my post did I say the French were snobs, not sure where you got that from. For your last section, I had no clue that was the case. You’re really saying a country doesn’t get half a mountain because it’s cooler? Really? My whole geopolitical understanding is upside down. In my opinion, I think Italy is a cooler country, that’s entirely on personal taste. Henceforth, I make that comment. I have no clue where you got the idea I was being serious from
@@battlepans1927 I’m actually sorry for my comment, it was rude and stupid. i knew you were joking of course but as a french guy I’m just so fed up at this point of seeing people hating on my country and people, that even a joking comment like this gets me wound up. Have a good day anyway
Abbiamo già dato con la perdita di Nizza, Savoia, Briga, Tenda, e gli altri territorio, per non parlare della Corsica. Il Monte Bianco si dice di dividerlo, i francesi lo vogliono tutto per loro, a quale compromesso dovremmo scendere ulteriormente? Non sarebbe un compromesso, sarebbe perdere ancora una volta tutto e basta.
I would argue that Mountain Elbrus is not even in Europe, as many people in Europe identify Volga-Don Canal and its rivers as the Asia-Europe boundary. 0:33
Not many people do this anymore. It was common in the Soviet Union, but today the most commonly used definition for the Asia-Europe boundary are the watersheds, which puts Mount Elbrus right on this border.
@@zeniith there’s a difference France occupied those regions without any French in it. While Savoy and Nizza had many ethnically Italians which you French can’t even deny since Garibaldi was from Nice
@@Boretheory savoy had some scattered italo-arpitans but they were mostly bilingual with french and italian was their second language. Nice however was 90% italian, and in 1870 garibaldi actually won the local elections and went on to represent the region in parliament. His requests were ignored and italians were either killed or deported while parisians were moved to nice en masse to change the local majority. Fun fact nicois(nizzardo) is a dialect of ligurian (of you are italian) or occitan (if you are french). The french changed the spelling rules of the dialect to be more french live "today" was "tuggiù" (still pronounced like this) but the french tought it should be spelled "toujou" to be closer to the french "toujours"
I'm French and I never knew there was such a dispute, we always talk about the "French Mont Blanc" and the "Italian Mont Blanc" to talk about the different parts of the mountain
the video is wildly inaccurate on many points. pretty sure the dispute is over the summit, the french claim is not that the entire mountain is theirs. also "Savoy-Sardinia" was never a thing, it was Sardinia-Piedmont, the Kingdom of Naples hadnt been a thing for decades at the time of Garibaldi's expedition of the thousand and the french had nothing to do with Veneto, italians annexed it after the austro-prussian war.
I'm italian and I agree (but please give us back Mona Lisa, and Zidane and Materazzi were both jerks, but Zidane acted pretty stupidly :D)
I even, in Italy, neve heard about it. If exist a dispute like that should be something extremly uninportant and this is why i stopped the video after 1 min. It's pointless even because we are talking about interna EU borders
*Monte Bianco
Si, also in Italy (I’m from Rome), we talk about it as split in two
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I just noticed that on Swiss official maps, both borders are drawn, and it is written « contested territory ». We really don’t want to make any enemy
Our neighbours as always behave like children. Better to stay out of it.
Well researched and interesting as always, now with subtitle as well! *chef's kiss*
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This video lacks a fundamental evidence that resolves the case in Italian favor. During the treaty of Turin (1860) the Italian government gave the administrative region of Savoy to France and the border between the Valle d’Aosta and Savoy was in the middle of Monte Bianco. Then after WW2 the french treaty of Turin was lost and then the French government started claiming jurisdiction on the top of Monte Bianco due to an earlier treaty made by Napoleon in 1797. This of course was a ridiculous claim made by the French government to obtain popularity, and today the top of Monte Bianco has Italian infrastructures on it. Please if you read this, Politics with Paint, make it the pin comment. By the way just saying, even the map of NATO has the mountain top divided in half between Italy and France.
If I remember correctly only the french documents of the treaty got lost after WW2 while the Italian ones still exists, but the french simply don't care and pretend that the treaty doesn't exist anymore just because they lost the documents. It's like if someone refused to pay the bills because they've lost them, it makes absolutely no sense.
@@MKnew099 france as same number of border dispute as china. Thats explain a lot why they are reknown to be assholes
Yea
But infrastructures doesn't mean it belongs to a country...
@@sledgehog1 but the treaty does
i didn't know this was even a thing, always knew it was half french, half italian. Borders in Europe are designed following natural barriers so it makes perfectly sense to be like that
You have an italian name
@@diegone080 because I am
@@DG_5856 lol ecco
How border are design to ? Look at nothern part of France lool.
Belgium literally is inside natural french border. A part of Netherland too. Luxembourg too. Little part of Germany too
World isn't simple as that. Mont Blanc fully was in savoie territory. Savoie was given to France
@@gringologie9302 in fact belgium Is half ethnically french. You are talking about a geographical area with no natural barriers wich has been a contended territory and at war for centuries lol, this area was choose to place the european parliament for this reason, to mantain peace especially between Germany and France
Never heard of the situation. But tbh sounds likes Italy border makes the most sense from somebody who has no idea it was happening.
@@Solveig.Tissot try It🇮🇹🇮🇹
@@Solveig.Tissot froggy moment, btw I support the Italians.
but despite that I hate froggies at times, we had a common enemy, the Americans. They ruin immigrant foods to the fact that it became nasty.
@@Alleniro Honestly calling French people ''froggies'' is kinda cringe, i live in France and NEVER have i seen a single soul eat frogs, snails or anything related to theses in restaurants
by the way i agree, i support Italians cause this border just looks ugly and the Italians' are better
@@Solveig.Tissot Yeah, and I bet it'll end in your surrender
"Both sides completely unwilling to compromise"
But like, Italy's position seems to be "We share the mountain", which is at least some measure of compromise compared with France's "C'est a mine!!"
CAUSE IT IS!!!!
You're just mad cause napoleon made a fool out of whatever country your from
@@godogs89 and all the territory was returned?? Well except for mainland france but that is frances land. And french Guyana was not returned because no one there wanted independence so it remained french. And if france has to have a global trade embargo then so should the uk, AND ALL THE **OTHER** FORMER COLONIAL EMPIRES because they did the same things, why doesn't belgium go through this with what they did in the congo??? Because the modern president doesn't (or as far as we know) want to do bad stuff in the congo, same with the Uk and the irish potato famine, the monarchy during the famine may have wanted to continue exporting food from ireland despite the hunger and sickness, but that doesn't mean the current monarchy wants to cause a famine. Just like France and any other country with a bad past. So go cry to the UN
@@godogs89 I don't like the French that much, but are you for real?
@@GeoNoob Napoleon lost his continental empire, Louisiana, and he even lost Haiti. What a loser!
But it's simple... why don't we share it ? I'm French and not gonna lie, the Italians had a good idea when they said it was split in two. Mont Blanc and Monte Bianco 🇫🇷🇮🇹👍
We had a good idea? Lmfao that’s just how it is. It’s literally written in the treaties of the 1860s.
Yes we Italians and the French just want to drink wine, it’s only the governments that create these situations.
As an italian i love french people 🇮🇹❤️🇫🇷
@@kle_dis00 Same ! I love Italians people 🇫🇷❤🇮🇹
it's based on the definition of the border, choosing montains isnt as simple as you think, they can be multiple factors that you can choose from (peaks, rivers, etc), and then there the variables.
the fact that the NATO maps use the italian version of the map tells us who the international community belive is right, (if you guys lost your version of the treaty of Turin it's YOUR FAULT).
Everyone in France think the Mount blanc is half French half Italian. And I think the « Italian » map is used in French school.
That’s our government problem not French problem.
Completely agree with your thought also the peak of Monte bianco is in the Italian border so I do think it’s Italian.
Based NATO
@@ni9274La majorité des français pensent que le mont blanc est 100% français
@@miratowa1018 and it's indeed a bullshit.
Italy gained Veneto by joining the Austro-Prussian war not with French support. They gained Milan and central Italy with French support in the second Italian war of independence.
Prussia gave the land to France because they felt Italy didn't help out that much, and France didn't want it so they gave it to Italy
@@levitschetter5288 Austria you mean?
@@levitschetter5288 *Austria. And they ceded Veneto to France knowing full well that it would be immediately transferred to Italy, they just considered a direct territorial transfer to a newly unified Italy too humiliating.
We not "gained" nothing, those lands was ours since the beginning.
French and Austrians was the abusives here. Now things are almost fine... even if parts of my Friuli are still under control of foreign countries.
I remember you that Friuli was founded Avril 3, 1077. 😤
@@danielefabbro822 true
What an amazing video! You went over history, politics and different solutions propossed! 10/10
I genuinely believed that Mount Blanc was split in half thanks to a small french tourist book from the 70s. They mentioned is disputed but commonly believed to be split
It's "Monte Bianco" or "White Mountain".
@@danielefabbro822 It's "Mont Blanc" both in French and English.
@@shakya00 yeah but the mountain is Italian so it's Monte Bianco. 😎🤣🤣🤣
@@danielefabbro822 No it is shared and I'm being kind there...Don't play the dumb nationalist when your own government doesn't contest it.
@@shakya00 my dear friend, I'm doing the same thing that French have done to us.
So if you don't want to hear, run.
I actually live in the little city of St Gervais Les Bains, who owns the French « MontBlanc » and all of the story was very well explained. But the italians are right. There is a French Part and a Italian part of the « MontBlanc/Monte Bianco » It was a excellent video
Edit: Thank you so much for 92 likes!
Rpz la haute savoie ici ouiiii
How Italians are right ? Mont Blanc was fully part of savoie territory.
@@gringologie9302 A part of savoy territory was in italy. The capital of savoy was Turin, a italian city.
@@danielredmond1735 so french are very nice to stop to Mont Blanc.
@@gringologie9302 no we are nice to not reclaim the whole of Savoy and Nizza
Mountain is of both, this was the treaty and this is what is valid in international law. No need to say more
French declared that treaty without value. That's the weight of french honour...without value.
@@solinvictus1234 i mean of it comes to "honour" who TF is innocent?
Italian honour is litteraly known in history to be worthless with the most popular examples being both world wars, but the Italian wars are such a sh*t show its quite amazing anyone cares.
British honor is also renowned to be worthless, unless its against France i guess but thats mutual and a thousand years old rivalry.
German honor... its a weird one since Germany as country is very young and before that was... confusing as hell.
No but seriously may the country that never betrayed a single one of its agreement throw the 1st stone.
Plus im pretty sure ever since Bismarck the matter of Honour in Geopolitic is considered worthless, then again its been a while since i studied realpolitik
@@Freedmoon44 The fact that you're ig or ant on the matter of Italy affairs in WW's, do not allow you to judge Italy as dishonourable in such a generalized way.
Did you know that in WWI wasn't Italy to left the Triple Entente but Austro-Hungarians to betray the treaty and nullify it violating the Article 7? And if you want i will explain in details it to you.
Did you know why Italy sided with Germany in WWII? Cause the dishonourable Americans, British and French, during the pact of London, do not gived the promised (verbally and on paper) lands to Italy agreed before the WWI and for that lands Italy lost millions of young men, that died for nothing at the end. Mussolini that fought WWI was so pissed off for this betrayal act that it would never side again with the allies.
Germany honourable? Ahahah
At the end of the day Italy's mistake was maybe to have been far too much honourable than anyone.
No one it's innocent, but someone was less innocent that some others.
And believe me, regarding the honour of Italians you do not know nothing, just the propagandistic side of the anglosaxon world.
@@solinvictus1234 ig or ant? My god english words shortened to stuff i cant even understand since ig for me means "in game" and ant means just that "ant".
I can still claim that Italy was dishonorable because even if they were "betrayed" they still attacked their former ally after accepting a litteral bribe made by the one supposed to be their ennemy consisting of mere promise to give land to Italy.
Italian war still justify italian dishonor in general.
WW2 still Italians turning on their German ally the moment the allies started winning no matter how little they wanted the war its still not something you would expect or want out of an honorable people, no matter how justified Italy was in joining the Axis in the 1st place.
Now if you start ranting about how the Entente betrayed those who fought with them, nezrly no ine liked the peacedeals. Italy didnt like the peace deal because they wanted more, Austria didnt like the peace deal because their empire got cut apart, Germany didnt like it because of the many restrictions and loss of land etc...
Bulgaria didnt like it because they lost all of their empire, the Greeks didnt like the peace deals because the Turks didnt let them keep Constantinople and Asia Minor, Hungary HATED the peacedeal because they fought against Austria in the End and they got scammed out of 50% of their historical land, and finnaly France also didnt like the Peacedeals because while they won their territorial objectives and all, they wanted to cut Germany apart mike Austria and got disapointed aswell because UK and USA said "f*** that idea, no way it could backfire in i dunno 20 years or smt"
The only real happy ones were Belgium and Luxemburg, cus it survived, Poland and the Baltics cus they got free, The slavs in Tcheqoslovakia and i swear i never know how its written pls help, the Slavs of Yugoslavia which frankly Italy was very unhappy about like hungary and Bulgaria, Romania, USA, and UK, even Japan got a bit disapointed over the result since they couldnt get more money though in their case the dispointment would hurt a bit later with China and the treaty of Washington i think.
The Entente were facing the problem of everyone wanted everything but both claims clashed so they compromised and it led to many unhappy countries
@@Freedmoon44 the alliance treaty between Italy, Austria and Germany was purely defensive, since Austria is the one who declared the war against Serbia(without consulting Italy either), Italy had no reason to join the war.
In ww2 Italy Mussolini got arrested and Italy surrendered to the allies, then Germany invaded the now neutral Italy and rescued Mussolini splitting Italy in half.
Neither of the two wars has Italy betraying its allies, you can cope all you want, these are just the facts.
Most countries "its my, no its my"
Italy "bro, we share it"
Because it's more like:
Every country in the World: "it's a shared border"
The French: "no it's only ours".
@@louisgangloffwat the hell are you smoking?
Italians share things when it suits them ...in this case the "let's share it" is not generous as it takes from the current French territory .
The mont Blanc has been French for a long time. Before that it belonged to savoy. thus it Was never technically Italian.
The Italian part of the mount blanc belongs to the Val d'Aoste and un itself it is a French speaking region within Italy. Which was reattached to Italy in a very debatable manner. So the debate could be to ask Italy to give up this French region. Let's be generous. Let's ask Italy to give half of the Val d'Aoste ..
And then there will be no argument about the mont blanc.
And yes, the occupation of France on 1940 is a very good argument too to cool off these idiotic Italian claims.
@@sylvaincroissant7650Valle d'Aosta is not a French speaking region, it's a Francoprovençal speaking region. Also French speaking does not imply France gets to claim it. Belgium and Switzerland exist.
@@diocanaja no. It is a French speaking region. And to this day French is an official language of this semi autonomous region. there have been recents efforts to Italianize the region though. Fair game. Francoprovençal is spoken there, but is not an official language. French is.
Now if you look at the comments you will see that people also claim that Corsica is Italian and not French because the Corsican dialect resembles Italian so you can't have it both ways...
The links of the Val d'Aoste to France is quite old actually and is not just a language thing. But nevertheless, the claim of the Mont Blanc itself by France is because it was always part of Chamonix, on all our maps. There are mountains everywhere over there anyway. This Italian claim is quite silly. You keep your mountains and we keep ours.
There was also a thing about the French losing their version of the treaty of Turin and that somehow is a French fault. It turns out it was stolen/destroyed by the Germans during the occupation of France. And we still have a photography of the document anyway.
Me, an intellectual: *Declares the mountain as a sovereign person.*
Yes
Me, an other intellectual: *give Montain to Nepal*
@@97Corvi Or china, which has half the Everset and some others that determine the border between nepal and china
In this clip there are many incorrect informations. IE France helped the Kingdom of Sardinia to obtain Lombardy (annexed 1859), not Veneto (annexed 1866), and the Congress of Vienna was already happening during Napoleon's 100 days.
The treaty of Turin (1860) clearly put the border at the watershed (there's even an attached map), passing through the highest peaks.
During IIWW the French "lost" the maps that were attached to their copy of the treaty of Turin, and that farce begun.
Mind that the alpine rescue in the "contested" area is always performed by the Italian CNSAS, since it would be ridicolus to reach that territory from Chamonix.
Problem is USA refused french legitimate claims in 1944 on all the Moutain Val d'Aoste, Vallées Occitanes et Arpitaness. USA thought that Italy could became communist doing this while De Gaulle And Tito hated each other.
But truth is since 1922 french and occitan speaker here where forced to assimilate thanks to Mussolini politic of uniformisation. Italy backstabbed France in 1940 (and failed without Germans) even if italian occipation were not so harsh compared to german and later american/british. This last point make reconciliation easier between France and Italy even if France was not avenged for the backstab.
@@tot0m French talking of legitimacy and forced assimilation when they democratically eliminated German speakers from Alsace and Lorraine are funny.
It would be interesting to see how this forced assimilation happened when, until the end of WWII, the second language taught in Italian schools was French.
@@neutronalchemist3241 I do not really see the point with Alsace-Moselle (not Lorraine) we are talking about France and Italy. We can talk about Italy and Germany too, 1943, 1944 république of Salo, annexion of Trento-Adige... if you really want to talk about forced assimilation OZAK and OZAV zone may interest you.
I am alsatian, my ancesters were french even before Germany was created. Alsace-Moselle history is not so simple than in Alps.
I didn't say France is more legitimate than Italy to rule in Aoste or everywhere else. I just say Italian irredentism and German irredentism is a bullshit for humanity, only trying to base racial identity first with hair color then with language and then make people hate each other.
Mont Blanc had never been call Monte Blanco by his neightboor, it always had been Mont Blanc or Glaciales Montes, Mont Maudit, Mont Mallet... nothing to struggle with Tuscan (modern Italian).
@@tot0m LOL! when few French speakers in a minuscule region of little more than 100.000 inhabitants decrease it's "forced assimilation". When France eliminates millions of German speakers from two big regions "it's not that simple". 😂
Yes, it's that simple. Democratic France had carried out policies of forced assimilation that were worse than the fascist ones, for much more time than the fascists did, and succeeded in eliminating those pesky not-French form it's territory. Their choice. It become quite funny when they pretend to preach others. Especially others that have flourishing German and Ladin speaking communities. The only thing the French should try to teach to the Italians is how to get rid of them.
As for Salo, since you are at it, you can also speak about the enlightened racial policies of Vichy France.
The name of the mountain has nothing to do with the position of the border.
@@tot0m france is so ridicolous for this
Unless there's a settlement on top a mountain is divided, that's common sense. It's a natural barrier, after all!
There is a settlement in one of the two orange areas. It's an Italian ropeway.
Politics with paint congrats on 60k subs
I'm French, but I always thought that this mountain is half French half Italian. This dispute is a pure anecdote anyway; in practice, who cares?
Ecology. As Italy isn't famous to protect environment. Mountain is threatens by warming change.
@@gringologie9302 "Italy isn't famous to protect environment" nope, we care about our environment as much as France and the rest of Europe. We've a lot of inaccesible islands protected by the law, national forest and a lot protected species (read the story of the reintroduction of the Appennine wolf and the Alpine Bears). Also we are very good on recycling (first in Europe for recycling paper); and to finish, right now we're doing new laws to protect animals and environment.
Stop using this stupid prejudice, thanks.
@@gringologie9302 Ahahahahahahaahahahahahahaaha France is know to not care at all about environment
@@gringologie9302 what a joke. France is still holding on a colonial system 2 centuries later, definitely not better than Italy
@@nailil5722no France doesn't lmao, one google search would be enough to disabuse you of that notion. and no, a thing is not true because Sputnik Afrique said so 😂
I think it's important to underline that Aosta is a semi-autonomous region. This is highly respected by the Italian government who maintain limited control over the region's governance. The area functionally behaves as laid out by the Italian government though as far as the perception on the ground. The border crossings at the tunnel, service providers and signs displaying official authority contacts make is seem that way. The summit and main tourist attractions are largely operated by the Italian side in Courmayeur, Aosta
It's way more operated from Chamonix, France ... like the Aiguille du Midi summit.
Italy and France should just hold a race to the top every few years. Whatever team plants the flag first gets ownership of the mountain until the next race.
Honestly here, France just seems greedy, Italy's divide seems fair.
@@strasbourgeois1
1st you haven't conquered shit, that would imply french troops there and de facto french authority and neither are true.
2nd you have nothing to settle cause you're nobody.
@@strasbourgeois1 "we conquered it" Ehm no. I don't see any french soldier on the mountain. And the buildings on the mountain were constructed by italian people.
International law says that Monte Bianco (Mont Blanc) is both italian and french.
LMAO, french imperialism is so funny.
@@sator3946 If there were a French soldier on the mountain, that would provoke Italy furthermore. Hypothetically, a French soldier crossing into Italian juridical land would be seen as something like trespassing or invasion. Something we are smart enough to understand.
And again, like the video says, it can be written on paper or whatever, but you cannot stop the dispute.
@@strasbourgeois1 an invasion means you French get ganged by Nato
@@Boretheory ?
Se la Francia fa affidamento alle mappe risalenti all'era napoleonica; noi Italiani possiamo affidarci alle mappe dell'impero romano... :)
Infatti
Lmao try it and see pasta boy
@@barmybarmecide5390You try baguettes. There will always be a Pietro Micca or a Fornovo for you 😂
Sure, I guess France gets all of cisalpine Gaul then, you are very generous.
try an convince the americans to give back louisiana then
Thank you for covering these unknown subjects ! Your videos are amazingly instructive and the countryballs are cute ^^
The French base it's border on the treaty of Chambéry (1790’) but the new treaty of Torino (1860') say that the border Is based on the natural crest of the Mountain
But the treaty of 1860 has some obvious problems, its wording suggests they were not aware of the actual geography. That's why both sides can base their opinion on this treaty.
Italy in the treaty of “Torino” give Savoia and Nizza to France for the help against Austria in the second war of independence. So if the treaty of 1860 doesn't exist Italy would have Savoia and Nizza. The treaty signed by the two side but the french copy vanished misteriously.
@@eljanrimsa5843It hasn't any problem except it crash with French Médiocrité. But
it is the Treaty in use so...
If the border is based on natural crest of the mountain,Italy should start by sharing Monte Bianco di Courmayeur before telling to France to share Mont-Blanc. Strangely,i see no italian comment mentionning this "detail"... Biased judgment?
@@dapoun7228 Monte Biaco di Courmayeur is not the natural crest
Would France share L'Aiguille du Midi?
Oh right, with you French it goes :"What's mine is mine, what's yours is also mine"
My old Roman great-great grandfather Cato said 2000 years ago that the Alps are the wall of Italy. And he was very wise and was always right, and that meant that the Alps have always belonged to Italy.
The border makes perfect sense right where it is. You have one of the largest ridges in the alps, running almost east west, that perfectly divides Aosta(a long valley which opens out into the Italian lowlands) from Chamonix(which is in a valley that feeds out into lake Geneva), with the border along the ridge between the two. Borders in mountain areas are almost always run along the highest ridge line, as this one is. Its also the watershed divide
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Communism?
@@ServantoftheDivine1701 I am currently deciding on whether I should say "sorry m8, ur replying to the wrong person", or just go with it, and reply "Close, Socialism." and call it a day!
@@ServantoftheDivine1701 it's not Italys or Frances Mountain, it's OUR mountain
I started laughing when I heard that the commission takes with finding a solution declared that it wasn't their problem 🤣🤣🤣
The one time Paris wants to locals to resolve their own conflicts, the local turn around and ask Paris for help!
Italian government: Monte Bianco is split between you and us
Italian people: eh, what the big guy said
French people: Mont Blanc is split between us and them
The entirety of NATO: your border splits Mont Blanc in half
A treaty from 1860: the mountain is split
French government: NuH-Uh!
Qui est L’OTAN ? nous nous moquons complètement de cette entités nous imposons
@@Minijust23 hon hon baguette
@@Momo_Kawashima
>Translate to English
MFW a F*nch """"person"""" gets owned
"Love, which quickly arrests the gentle heart,
Seized him with my beautiful form
That was taken from me, in a manner which still grieves me.
Love, which pardons no beloved from loving,
took me so strongly with delight in him
That, as you see, it still abandons me not...”
― Dante Alighieri,
Amor, ch'al cor gentile ratto s'apprende
Prese colui de la bella persona
Che mi fu tolta; e'l modo ancor m'offende.
Amor ch'a nullo amato amar perdona,
Mi prese del costui piacer sì forte,
Che, come vedi, ancor non m'abbandona.
The translation you offered changes a bit the meaning of the two stanzas, so, as I studied these verses recently and as an Italian, I'll try to write a better, non in the form of a poem, translation, more accurate to the original
Love, which quickly inhabits the noble heart (noble as in pure; gentle is plain wrong, at least as it's used today)
Seized him with my beautiful form
That was taken from me, in a manner which still offends me.
Love, which doesn't allow any beloved not to love (as in: it's impossible to not love back)
Gave me so strong love of him,
That, as you can see, still doesn't abandon me.
Now my translation could be improved a lot, but it retains the original meaning a bit better, at least in my opinion, as I don't know all about English
Everybody in France say that's its split in two, never heared about this conflict tbh
No no everybody in France doesn't says that
@@gringologie9302 Never met somebody that doesn't but let's say a vast majority
@@gringologie9302Tf are you on ?
What upset us Italian is the fact France always want all the cake. I mean, wtf, we agreed to share the Monte Bianco with you; we could decide to take all the peak. At the end, it was part of the Italian pre-unitary state of Sardinia-Piedmont. We agreed to gave you Savoy, not Monte Bianco. So, just be a good, grown up neighbour, and accept that the title of the "Highest State of Europe" will be shared among both of us.
Yeah, Savoy that was already french at that point like Nice. It's even ridiculous to consider the Aosta Valley Italian since they act more like an independant state and have a rare and rich culture.
you didn't give it up for the pleasure , we helped you form your state , those regions were compensation, so no
@@houssedecouette4056 The Mt. Bianco as the whole mountain was not part of the treaty.
Have you ever been to the Aosta Valley? It's definitely not "practically an independent territory". It's just an Italian autonomous region, same as Sicily or South Tyrol.
@@PhilomarinusPalianus wasn't my point , you were speaking as if italy could if it wanted claim all of the mountain due to historical claim and that the french should be gratefull for them not doing that , when in fact that sharing is from a treaty and sealed
Italy's position seems far more reasonable, the French need to chill.
It's just a mountain. If that mountain was a country it would be atleast smaller then Vatican, chill for what ?
@@Somegoodpersonthe French chill about the small mountain in between Italy and France
@@GalaxyDoggoX we aren't angry tho
@@GalaxyDoggoX that's how he represent us in the video
@@Somegoodpersonyeah anyways, the summit of monte bianco, as shown on google maps and on NATO maps, is divided in two.
So, next time somebody tells you "mount blanc is 100% french", just spit in their eyes and tell them the truth
As said in the treaty of turin that declares the passage of savoy and nizza to italy to france, the border pass truh the mont blanc/monte bianco giving half mount to france and half mount to italy, but france refer its border from a document dating 70 years before the treaty of turin making a huge mess
The Treaty of Turin has ambiguity aknowledge by both. French based their understanding on first annexation treaty that was voided at end of Napoleonic wars. So italians prefers a treaty from the begennig of 18 century.
You really don't know your facts.
@@romainperello554 He knows more than you do
Why instead of arguing about who Mont Blanc/Mont Blanc is we don't recreate the Roman Empire?
bro we trying but they chose brussels as capital city. rip.
Your voice is so soothing
Wait, isn't the French Italian border just Switzerland?
nope
@@johnneumann7273 The French German border is Belgium.
@@masscreationbroadcasts ahhhhh of course
What
@@masscreationbroadcasts The Nato-Russia Border is Ukraine
I recently went to Mont Blanc just a month ago. And I gotta say, it was amazing for someone who never saw such a high up place and never felt snow in my life up to that point. It was just, different snd it was magical to me. (I live in the tropics, so that's why)
which part? italian or french?
@@samuthemapper600 The definitely French part of Mont Blanc
What kind of regulations did the french government impose on you on your trip?
@@RoScFan The only one I found important was to not lose my ticket to Mont Blanc and not being to haywire in the cable cars.
As a French, I never knew there was a territorial dispute around Mont Blanc.
there is a dispute even for the waters . Basically France denies the existence of north Sardinia waters
@@locusta4662 well gotta keep the record of like 13 territorial disputes lol ^^
@@Freedmoon44 🤮🤮🤮
@@kinggeedorah8303 you can cope and puke as much as you want but those territories still belongs to France now and its certainly doesnt seem like its gonna change anytime soon
@@Freedmoon44 what territories? Monte Bianco Is split in 2 in every map exept french ones. Accept It: you are wrong
The video is very inaccurate, France helped Italy only to conquer Lombardy during the second independence war. The Veneto region was annexed after the third war, with the help of Prussia, not France.
"Why Italy wants France to Return half of Mont Blanc" France cant return nothing that they dont have, the mountain is of both, France can say whatever they want but the international community is allineated with Italy.
France didn't help Italy take Veneto, that was prussia defeating austria also for us. (France helped for Lombardy)
France annexed Veneto for 30min and gave it to Italy
It will be cool if you make a video about the yugoslav wars
It's Georgian
Not because the highest mountain in Europe is Elbrus, but because France and Italy are rightful Georgian clay 😎
Based
But Georgia Is owned by Buthan
@@Lario_ But i thought Buthan is owned by Liechtenstein
But Liechtenstein is owned by the Papal state
@@vittorioarioli9127 Right, i forgot, but the Papal States are owned by St Kitts
wow, I'm suprised to see the french commentators saying that the mountain should be half and half. I mean probalìbily it is just a stereotype, but in Italy everyone thinks that the french are the most nationalist and patriotic people in Europe, seems not true, or at least seems not true anymore.
Its a bit... complicated
There are plenty of patriotism and especially chauvinism in France still today, i mean former global empire and all that, being grouped with the underdogs and not the superpowers and all definitly hurts our pride one way or another.
But in the meantime i also found as a french that in the West Europe the most Patriotic and nationalist people ive met were Italians because "grrr give us Corsica and Nice, and all the stuff you stole you damn frenchmen".
Its a matter of pov really.
The problem over the mountain is really not dealt with on the french side not because of needless pride however, but because no one actually gives a f about it beyond "oh yea, its french, neat", like the mere idea of sharing it with Italy never comes up because well, all we learn is that its french and its never mentionned again unless you study history thouroughly, geopolitics, or are just curious enough that stuff like this video shows up in recommandation.
Really obscurity and the remnant of chauvinism (sorta nationalism except more french) is the litteral only thing that prevents us from actually dealing with this border inconveniance
It's more like... we all know that it's half and half?
Best of both worlds
@@NDScalio C'est débile de dire "on sait" quand on ne s'est pas plongé dans l'histoire du mont et des traités qui ont déterminé les frontières actuelles mdr
@@DaDa-ui3sw Quand t'étais gamin et qu'on te parlais du Mont Blanc, tu t'intéressais tant que ça aux traités?
Nan, à la fin tu vas juste conclure dans ta tête qu'on en a une partie, et que l'Italie en a une autre, c'est tout.
@@NDScalio je disais pas "on sait" bêtement je m'en battais les couilles surtout mdr
y a plein de Français aussi qui "savent" que le mont Blanc est français
“The French believe that kids feel confident when they're able to do things for themselves, and do those things well. After children have learned to talk, adults don't praise them for saying just anything. They praise them for saying interesting things, and for speaking well.”
― Pamela Druckerman
am French
In Friuli we have a motto that says (for the kids) : "Eat, Grow, Obey, Working".
That's what a good kid have to do to be treated well here.
@@danielefabbro822 per fortuna fra 197 anni voi italiani non ci sarete più:)
Fun fact: The Mona Lisa was not stolen, but sold by Leonardo himself, it was commissioned by the french. The funny thing is someone tried "stealing" it to bring it back to Italy once.
Fun fact: the Mona Lisa wasn't sold, it was given by Leonardo to the French king.
@@divicarpe1844 Yeah, I meant that Leonardo was commissioned by the french to do it. Unclear, my apologies
@@tommivalle2652 It wasn't even commissioned, Leonardo worked on it far before coming in France. It was just a gift.
I'm an italian and you're right. But a lot of other italian pictures and sculptures are stolen during the Napoleonic Italian campaign.
@@avoig_3219 Most were returned after the Napoleonic wars.
Some people say Elbrus is the tallest peak and other say it is monte Bianco/mont blanc it depends on who you ask.
If you consider the Caucasus countries European then Mount Elbrus would be the tallest but if you consider them as Asian then it’s monte Branco
@@andert6 technically Europe, but actually Asia.
Easy, mont blanc in the european union and elbrus in Europe.
Continents are not clearly defined even as a concept, meaning that really you could even say that mount Everest is the tallest mountain of Oceania and you'd still be right
Elbrus is in Europe, but is a volcano, not a mountain.
As far as I know, the dispute is whether the border pass through the main summit of Mont Blanc or through the highest subsummit Mont Blanc de Courmayeur, which is ~50m below and a few 100s meters away, a flat saddle separating the 2.
This last summit is the one visible from Courmayeur, and not the main summit. It is also a rocky summit, while the main summit is only ice/snow.
The key point on the treaty of 1860 is whether the border follow the ridge, as visible from Courmayeur, or through the watershed ridge, the redaction is unclear and the maps of the time, not so precise.
Besides, due to continuous evolution of the snow/ice cover, the ridges from the main summit always change whereas the ones from the Mont blanc de Courmayeur do less (when rocks fall).
Putting a border on a changing glacier is not the best idea when you can use a rocky ridge instead😀.
The border is on the summit. The treaty is quite clear on that
Then let's put it on L'Aiguille du Midi..
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@@PoliticswithPaint To remain neutral,you should have mentionned that if the border has to follow the peaks of the mountain,France must share Mont-Blanc with Italy,but Italy as well must share Monte Bianco di Courmayeur with France... Unless this rule applies only to France?
@@dapoun7228 Monte Biaco di Courmayeur is not the natural crest
Would France share L'Aiguille du Midi?
Oh right, with you French it goes :"What's mine is mine, what's yours is also mine"
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0:14 careful the top right painting is Dutch, not Italian !
In reality, the document for the cession of Savoy to France during the Risorgimento sanctioned the division of Monte Bianco. This document has been compiled in two versions: one in Italian which still belongs to Italy and is the basis of Italian claims, and a French one which, however, France has lost over the course of history and therefore considers the Italian one invalid, a fake.
I'm Italian and i've never heard about this dispute before this video. I've always thought about the Monte Bianco as a splitted mountain, "more or less" half french and "more or less" half italian. But the fact that nor the French or Italian people are awared of it, shows how much they care
00:32 lmao he knew these comments would come
Fun fact: about Mona Lisa everything should have been resolved, recently an original copy of the paint has been found in Italy, so it is not a problem anymore
The Mona Lisa is more the face of the issue it’s not the issue itself, is famous so people use it as an example but it’s actually one of the few that wasn’t stolen but! the majority of the Italian art at the louvre is!
@@thngvbts5182 true
@Chemya Da Vinci made two Mona Lisa in the same period
@@thngvbts5182 It's true. Why no one speack about the Canova's sculpture
the french stole many arts from italian land during the napoleonic war.
The fact is Mont Blanc as always been divided betwen France and Italy...
That's proved by Turin's Treaty signed by both countries...
The problem is Paris says they have lost their copy of the official maps....
But what count are international official treaties and not words.....
The valid treaty is the one following the cession of Savoy in 1860 in which the summit of Mont Blanc is halfway between the two states. This was the last treaty signed since following the end of World War II Italy has cedes some lands to France but none of them was on Mount Blanc. So the real border is the one of 1860 when thr borded was on the top od Mountain
Peaceful run: it’s of both
How peacefull ? Savoie was given to France. Mont Blanc fully is in savoie. If Italy wants half of it, that's not the peacefull solution
@@gringologie9302 Monte Bianco is in Italy, not Savoia. If France wants something someone else has it's unjust
@@gringologie9302 Can you stop with ths chauvinistic french bullshit? The mountain is shared, treaty of Turin,1861, your cuck government signed it.
@@gringologie9302 Savoia already had an administrative border with Valle d'Aosta, and the Monte Bianco was on the border, shared by the two regions. This can be seen in Sardinian maps before they gave the Savoia to the French. Napoleon stated: "La conséquence naturelle de cette cession serait de prendre comme frontières les limites administratives d'aujourd'hui". Moreover, after WW2 France did ask the UN to formalize a few changes to its border with Italy. It was the perfect time to reclaim the Monte Bianco. They did not.
The Monte Bianco is split in half, a French side and an Italian side.
STACCEEE
I really think that french politiciens need to think to ask the population (by referedum for example)...
In my opinion, I agree Italian point of view (while I'm French).
the Italian point of view?? It's literally written in the treaty! the French redone the borders unilaterally, what a shame.
@@nosferatus777 Yes indeed.
Mont-Blanc as well as Savoy, Corsica and Nice belong to Italy and certainly not to France.
No. Our traitor king conquered you and you didn't place him to power after WW2.
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The French and the Italians send their very best close-quarters combatant to battle on the mountaintop to boost tourism for both sides, whoever's country wins owns all of the mountain for 4 years. If it is a draw, the whole mountain goes to Switzerland for 4 years until combatants can reconvene.
Bruh, that's a fucking war💀 no thank you
have a judo match every 6 months. spanish french style minus the judo
I'm both italian and french. Never heard in my life about such a "dispute". I've always heard people referring to the italian and french sides of monte bianco. I don't think it's a big deal as it's described
09:00 I suspect that Italian laws against putting pineapple on pizza are harsher than French laws on the matter.
Of course the french wants all of it
Based France,as always :)
@@Solveig.Tissot there has been not, and never will be, anything based coming from France. It's phisically impossible.
@@riograndedosulball248 Average Virgin Brainless Cringe Anti France Troll Fanboy VS The Chad Based God France Enjoyer,cope harder :)
@@riograndedosulball248 Bro...
That's called racism
@@lamouettegaming good
As an Italian I've never heard about that. Really EU made all possible territorial disputes a nonsense so who cares who owns Monte Bianco? Splitting it in half is enough. As it is
Start a Wine war instead of Whiskey War for it
That's why a lot of people agreed on the diplomatic partition of Monte Bianco.
French are too proud go on that eay, good or bad.
That's why many in Italy can't stand France on Italic territories(no Italian, mind you).
I.e. Corsica, Savoia(Savoy) and Nizza(Nice).
(P.S. due to recent idiots I need to specify, I'm not stating my belief and my point of view.
It's the general outlook.
So before you make yourself a joke or just strengthen bad stereotypes,please think before you write)
[I really need to say again Italic≠Italian]
You really consider Corse, Savoy and Nice to be Italian? Kinda cringe considering they are french speaking and cultured places, find yourself a stable government instead of being mad for France having more territory
@@SaladeDeFruitt Corsica and Nizza are Italian
@@vins0038 go ask that to a Corsican or a Niçois if they feel Italian
@@SaladeDeFruitt Italic≠Italian, I can understand without prior knowledge all dialects of the region.
Without talking about Corsica, that is litteraly just slightly different from Sardo.
@@Reyob How many times you need to press people French culture and language before they shut up.
That's litteraly Corsica history.
Seems ridiculous that a mountain that was almost impossible to cross would be fully inside an historic region.
When it comes to Franco-Italian relations, whe have far greater contrasts, so I'd say that these contrasts reflect on the mount rather than the other way around.
It is actually not Kingdom of Savoy-Sardinia, but Kingdom of Piedmont-Sardinia.
It's actually Kingdom of Sardinia cuz Piedmont was a principality
@@jecko980 Savoy took the Sardinia and the Piedmont to form Piedmond sardinia kingdom
@@romaingillet2526 nope, Savoy took Sicily but exchanged it with the kingdom of Sardinia that was in Neapolitan hands, so just to have a Kingdom title they renamed them Kingdom of Sardinia, Piedmont was a principality
Regno di Sardegna .
@@jecko980 Yes but in english they call it every time Sardinia-Piedmomt
As a French I don't know why there is such a dispute. Who cares? It's just a fucking mountain.
Several million of euros every year from turist visiting the mountain aren't enough? The fact YOU don't care, doesn't mean anyone else won't.
@@Beregorn88
Dude the cities welcoming the tourists are not at the top of the mountain... don't you have a brain? The border dispute is about a small unihabited area
@@gontrandjojo9747 Ok, I'll try to explain the situation using simple words: if you can only reach the summit from the french side, tourist that want to climb the mountain will stay, and spend their money, in Chamonix, instead of Courmayeur, causing a real economic damage to the Italian tourism industry. Can you see why it is a problem?
The Italian alpine police has a duty of helping and saving people in the "contested" area (since it's "french" only when it comes to rake in profits, never when there is money to spend) but Chamonix's major built a gate on the safe trail preventing easy access to the area: multiple times the Italian police had to climb it, or leave the safe trail, while transporting hurt people. Can you see why it is a problem?
For a long time, the only cable car reaching point Hellbronner was the one from Aiguille du Midi; after the opening of the Skyway now you can reach it from the Italian side too. Both Hellbronner and Aiguille du Midi are in french territory, but the same round-trip between the two costs almost 50% more if you come from the Italian side. Can you see why it is a problem?
Honestltly there is no tension around this issue. Since 1995 both governments are in charge to find a solution and do not prioritize it as important… therefore doing nothing.
On top of national pride the real issue is who is in charge of rescue services which are provided free of charge, by both state. This point is already solved by an agreement called « la triangulaire » (including Switzerland) on rescue services provided on the area.
Nice video. In a close video you could talk about the issue of Olivença between Portugal and Spain
Napoleone Buonaparte, father was from Tuscany and his mother was from Rome, so more Italian than French!
Who cares? He was the emperor of France and even annexed your country lmao
@@LouisBoss-ko4ue so an Italian was emperor of France like so many Roman emperors before him😂😂😂😂😂
@@luigiscola2282 He was CORSICAN, FOUGHT for FRANCE and INVADED whole italy😂😂 bro couldn’t care less about your kingdoms
@@LouisBoss-ko4ue Genoa had just gifted Corsica to France when he was born, so son of Italian immigrants at his birth! Bro 🤫
@@luigiscola2282 wooooow what a great accomplishment!! i can say the same thing with Lousiana (1/3 of the USA) Kennedy was French! Clinton as well!!
Actually we don't want them to return something that nobody agrees belong to them. With this title it seems that now it belongs entirely to them, but it's not. They act like if pur part belongs to them, and we keep acting like their claim is meaningless. There's a non agreement which doesn't make them the owners of the mountain.
Zidane's headbutt is very similar to what Tyson did in boxing, but slightly less bloody.
Zidane headbutt showed how silly are the french and how smart are the italians.
Nothing more and nothing less.
@@solinvictus1234 God? Is that you? Aurelian?
@@luciusdomitiusaurelianus5334 Aurelianus for friends 😉
@@solinvictus1234 Zidane said after the match end that Materazzi insult a member of his family.
That's not what I will call ''smart''
@@lamouettegaming I will call smart as sh..t. Materazzi did that to get Zidane angry, and that worked flawlessly. It's no more and no less a smart tactic that any worlds Defender use, since the dawn of time and also in this days.
It's the midfielder/striker that should be smarter than the defender and do not fall in hos provocations.
Italy is right for two reasons
1. It's originally Italian
2. I don't like France
Average Virgin Brainless Anti France comment ⬆️
Fair enough
You're wrong and I'm right for two reasons
1. Italians are losers
2. I'm french
I'm french and France is right for sure
France is right
i never knew about this dispute, most prople in France think the montain is half french half italian, at least that is what i have been told as a kid (french family with some italian ancestry) I wouldn't mind french authorites aknowledging what everybody seems to know.
Even if I'm french, I'm on Italy side for this one.
Like, it's just seem more faire historically or geopolitical wise.
But our food still better tho.
As an Italian, I just think it's unfair that France doesn't get to fulfil its claims. Sure, historically, it would make sense, but so would the island of Corsica, and yet nobody would doubt it is a rightfully French island
Italy's food is better. Pasta > frog
@@freespiritedd Frogs are traditional of Northern Italy too
@@AlexanderLittlebears never seen a cooked frog in my entire life and I live there
Yeah, bread and butter is the best food ever
3:25 France wasnt there in the 1815 conference of Vienna. It was only in the 1814 one.
France was there in both.
@@gontrandjojo9747 yes but not as an actor
@@gontrandjojo9747 ok it was dumb from me to write that now i realise
Mont Blanc is shared between 3 countries to the north with Switzerland, to the south-east with Italy and to the west with France.
The Mont Blanc massif is indeed shared by 3 countries, but the Swiss have never had a claim to the tallest summit itself, which is what the video is talking about.
France and Italy should share it, French gov just has to say it is an act of international friendship and a show of european cooperation if they think that sharing would hurt their pride. In practice it already works like if it was shared (montain rescues being conducted by the Italians on their side for exemple).
So you propose that France give its share? How is this fair?
So you propose Italy gives its share? How is this fair?@@romain6275
Except france keeps all the profits from the infrastructures in the area and prevents access to the summit to climbers from the Italian side...
@@romain6275 As per Treaty.
1860 Treaty of course
As a German, I can only say, Monte Bianco is definitely Italian. If we can't have it, the frogeaters can't have it as well haha. (Not meant offensive ;D, but it is italian)
It seems the racist Italy-Germany alliance is still working...
@@dapoun7228 Or maybe France arrogance tired everyone in Europe
As a fellow german i have to agree. Especially since even from a neutral standpoint the french conveniently "losing" the treaty is just really slimy.
@@florianbarkowski6856 Thousands of documents were lost or destroyed when french administration left Paris just before nazis arrived in Paris in 1940. And other thousands of documents where lost or destroyed by german administration when nazis left Paris in 1944. So who really lost it,frog eaters or fritz? nobody knows... Still,i don't understand why everybody talks about this lost,as Italy provided to France a duplicata 30 years ago. A joint commission studied this map,and BOTH italian and french experts concluded that it was impossible to set a border with this map,as this map was drawn before any topographic survey was made.
But it's interesting to know that when it's about stealing french land,the Germany/Italy axis still exists. Sadly,some countries will never really change...
International (not French) recognition of the peak of Monte Bianco splits it between France and Italy. We live in 2024 and we still can’t share in peace the peak of a stupid mountain at 4800+ metres above sea level
Why?
There’s no reason to fight, because the mountain is split in two with the Treaty of Turin in 1860… and it doesn’t matter that France says “we lost our copy of the treaty during WW2”, in the hope that they can go back to the Napoleonic maps and try to steal someone else’s land yet again.
Saying that a treaty isn’t valid just because you lost your copy, is as idiotic as throwing away your heating bill and then refusing to pay by saying that you owe no money for heating.
Italy seems to be the reasonable side here... Share the mountain.
Sure I'll guess it's reasonable if you share half of your house with me then
@@grandmanitou6563and then Paris is Roman Empire, fking gauls
@@thieph Sure, but the Roman Empire hasn't been a thing for a while now
@@grandmanitou6563 neither France a power for a while
@@thieph so ? your point is ?
I'm French. Let's share it!!! We are already sharing a lot of things... Why not the Mont Blanc? Smart peoples are sharing. Idiots are fighting.
Mont blanc is the name we also taken over to give that mountain because us dutch heavily influenced by france maybe for balcan nations that closer and influenced by italy its monte blanco
*monte bianco
9:08 the English, ofcourse
Victor Emmanuel II only reigned from 1849-1878. His predecessor, Charles Albert, started a lot of the process of unification in 1848.
As a spaniard mount bianco sounds better.
Monte blanc sounds like an insult
*Monte Bianco
As an italian i approve
It’s a simple fact Italy is a way cooler country than France, and therefore - Italy should have the mountain.
Your opinion is not fact my guy
@@ryanbrimson8238 woah, pal, it’s just a fact that Italy is way cooler than France. My opinions aren’t automatically factual, it just so happens that a fact and my opinion are side by side
@@ryanbrimson8238 ok, dude. There’s not a single reason whatsoever to get all feisty. I’m sorry that you couldn’t tell but I’m making a joke bub.
You have no reason to be all upset. If you do, I genuinely need to hear it.
Not once in my post did I say the French were snobs, not sure where you got that from.
For your last section, I had no clue that was the case. You’re really saying a country doesn’t get half a mountain because it’s cooler? Really? My whole geopolitical understanding is upside down.
In my opinion, I think Italy is a cooler country, that’s entirely on personal taste. Henceforth, I make that comment.
I have no clue where you got the idea I was being serious from
@@ryanbrimson8238 side question, what country are you from?
@@battlepans1927 I’m actually sorry for my comment, it was rude and stupid. i knew you were joking of course but as a french guy I’m just so fed up at this point of seeing people hating on my country and people, that even a joking comment like this gets me wound up. Have a good day anyway
italian: we just share 1/2
french : nope it's all ours
as an italian i'm surprised to see my governement seemigly being in the "right"
Abbiamo già dato con la perdita di Nizza, Savoia, Briga, Tenda, e gli altri territorio, per non parlare della Corsica. Il Monte Bianco si dice di dividerlo, i francesi lo vogliono tutto per loro, a quale compromesso dovremmo scendere ulteriormente? Non sarebbe un compromesso, sarebbe perdere ancora una volta tutto e basta.
Lmao Italy sold Corsica because it wasn't abloe to hold on to it and now wants to claim it back ? wth
@@grandmanitou6563*Republic of Genoa, not Italy
Génoa pas Italie ?
@@will_mar Same crap, if we only count the modern Italian state then it has even less history than the us
This man knows how to start a war in the comments
I would argue that Mountain Elbrus is not even in Europe, as many people in Europe identify Volga-Don Canal and its rivers as the Asia-Europe boundary.
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Not many people do this anymore. It was common in the Soviet Union, but today the most commonly used definition for the Asia-Europe boundary are the watersheds, which puts Mount Elbrus right on this border.
If only Savoy and Nizza were still under Italian rule this would all be so easy
If only Aosta and Genoa were still French
@@zeniith there’s a difference France occupied those regions without any French in it. While Savoy and Nizza had many ethnically Italians which you French can’t even deny since Garibaldi was from Nice
@@Boretheory Nice was Italian, but Savoy was definitely French
@@Boretheory i was just responding to the first comment
@@Boretheory savoy had some scattered italo-arpitans but they were mostly bilingual with french and italian was their second language. Nice however was 90% italian, and in 1870 garibaldi actually won the local elections and went on to represent the region in parliament. His requests were ignored and italians were either killed or deported while parisians were moved to nice en masse to change the local majority.
Fun fact nicois(nizzardo) is a dialect of ligurian (of you are italian) or occitan (if you are french). The french changed the spelling rules of the dialect to be more french live "today" was "tuggiù" (still pronounced like this) but the french tought it should be spelled "toujou" to be closer to the french "toujours"
5:24 Well, actually Prussia helped Italy obtaining Veneto 🤓