Real Questions and Answers about the Bible
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
- Are the Gospels anonymous? Is the Bible hopelessly filled with contradictions? Has the text of the New Testament been corrupted over time? In this video, I interview Dr. William Mounce regarding his recent book "Why I Trust the Bible."
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Mounce was my Greek Teacher. Such a great man.
That’s awesome
Cool!!
This pod cast is always EXCELLENCE! I'm so grateful I found this show, for sure this was providence. What a gift, I always learn so much. Mr McDowell takes me to school once again. God bless you men for your hard work and learning. God bless you for your generosity.
Absolutely love your ministry and work (as well as your father’s) thank you for all you do!
At about 29:00 Sean brings up a difference between Paul and James, and Mounce says, I don't have it memorized. I expected somebody to open the text, but no! What the exegesis!
Here in America it is an easy thing to explain oral tradition. Ask how many people learned the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag as a young child.
Great interview! I love listening to your post more and more. Keep up the great work brother! 👍🏽
Thanks and I’m so glad they’re helpful!
Thanks y'all! Maranatha!
So good. Thank you for this
So glad I stumbled onto this channel! I would love to be on this podcast! Please LMK if this is possible. Thank you!! 🙏🙏🙏
I translated his "The Analytical Lexicon to the Greek New Testament" into Portuguese. The most difficult translation till now for me, but what an experience!
Awesome interview Sean. I'm currently reading Jonathan Murrow's book on a similar topic and think Dr. Mounce adds another layer for me to consider.
Love your questions Sean and enjoyed this conversation. :) Keep the interviews coming. Waiting for another interview with Timothy Muehlhoff!! :)
Hello how are you doing hope you're safe over there👋👋😊😊
@@pollackmorgan3149, all is well! :) Hope you are well!
@@jennifernihongi9696 Where are you from if I may ask?
I love Bill Mounce. I’ve spent hundreds of hours watching his material.
Hey Sean,
Here is some information that I've learned about the crucifixion timing that makes waaay more sense than what the traditional belief is.
First off, Jesus himself said that He would be in the grave for three days and three nights. (Matt 12:40)
That is IMPOSSIBLE if it was on Friday He died and was buried. (Friday- Sunday morning, 1 day 1 night)
Secondly, the Sabbath that was coming up was a High Sabbath, which was observed ONCE a year, and could land on any day of the week, (John 19:31, Leviticus 23:4-8) apart from their weekly Sabbath. (Saturday)
So there would have been two Sabbaths in that week.
The day that perfectly fits is Nisan 14, 30 AD. Which turns out to be a Wednesday and the High Sabbath would have been on Thursday Nisan 15.
From Wednesday before sundown to Saturday night at sundown is 3 days and 3 nights. (72 hrs) Jesus didn't lie.
To help corroborate this is the perceived contradiction of the women who bought the spices AFTER the Sabbath (Mark 16:1) and prepared them BEFORE the Sabbath.(Luke 23:56)
They bought and prepared the spices on Friday the day between the two Sabbaths.
Mark and Luke are simply talking about two different Sabbaths for that week. POV
Why any scholar would miss all that I don't know. Most just stick to tradition without really thinking about it. There is a chart here: www.zionministry.com/passover_chart.pdf that illustrates this probably better than I've explained it. It fit's perfectly!
This is worthy of your or anyone's serious consideration. Check it out.
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing
Nice work. Thanks
Hmmmm…🧐 This is the best explanation I have heard and it fits. I have always tried to make a proper time frame in my mind and just simply coming to the conclusion that I am missing something. I won’t blame the Bible for being erroneous, I will first blame myself.
Thanks for this information! 🤝
@ David McBrine I have heard this view on the 3 days and 3 nights before. I too, don’t know why it isn’t discussed more….
Agreed, thanks for the link.
From Leviticus, the lamb should be chosen on the 10th of Nissan and sacrificed on the 14th. Yeshua went up to the temple on the 10th (Shabbat), before that he kept saying, my time has not yet come. On ‘palm Sunday’ he was accepted by the people as the ‘Son of David’, ie chosen as suitable.
The year of his birth is still a bit under question but should start by recognising Josephus’ error/ copy error on Herod’s death. If Yeshua started his ministry at age 30, as per tradition, and depending on John 4:6 (see Nehemiah gordon, youtube) on 1-4 years of ministry we should be able to tie it down better along with earthquakes and stars etc.
Nice, mentioning Martin Hengel - love his work.
Does anyone know if.....?
Back in the day, JOSH McDowell wrote "Evidence That Demands a Verdict".
Then, Jeffrey Jay Lowder went through it and criticized it.
QUESTION: Did either Josh or Sean ever write any comeback or rebuttal to Lowder?
Also, in another video, Sean mentions that he stumbled on some stuff online from The Secular Web that attacked his dad's writings and it got him questioning/wondering. My 2nd question is:
HOW?-- did Sean quell those doubts or questions or decide that the objections didn't hold up? Did he ever say? Where can I read or listen specifically about that? if anyone knows, thank you!
Mounce video quality is craaazzyy
Thank you so very much 🙏😊!
SIMPLE EXAMPLE: Women at the Tomb
Mark: THREE women go to the tomb and find the stone already rolled back with an angel inside.
Matthew: TWO women go to the tomb and there is an earthquake, an angel comes down from heaven and rolls the stone back for the women.
John: ONE woman goes to the tomb, finds the stone already rolled back, and then runs and tells two of the disciples.
Rock 'n Roll! 😘
Thank you!
Hello how are you doing hope you're safe over there😊👋😊
Just picked the book up at Barnes and noble yesterday.
Great video. @minute 27:00. About the list of 200 plus contradictions that were simple and obvious misunderstandings. Gary Habermas would call this the work of "Basement Bloggers", i.e., ignorant non scholarly "experts". Love that term. And the problem is, they're all over the place. That's why we need to "study to show ourselves approved..."
Great book Bill!
Thank you so much for all you do for us laymen! Why are prominent pastors with a seemingly solid background suddendly denying the veracity of scripture? I wish you would address this to help us.
6:30 memorisation/memory, in oral cultures and its implications to the argument for memory
Sean phenomenal content!! Wonder what camera The guest is using?? Sean you should ask and swap the camera ;-)
APU grad 1985 here. Excellent. Hola Bill
so sad we missed the QA&
Weren’t some of the most famous scientists/mathematicians of the ancient world together in Alexandria? It seems to have been more like a university than just a library.
Yes!
Hey Sean, thank you so much for everything you teach. How can know the 66 books in our Bible are the same the jews used the first century ???
By looking at when the manuscripts were written.
The heretical writings are written in the 2-3 century.
The authentic writings are written in the *1st century* .
@@hhstark8663 Hi, I've noticed you on quite a few comment threads and I was wondering if you could help me? I recently came across some info that has shaken my faith. I started reading up on how and when the Bible was written and it turned out not quite what I expected. Is this something that you can help with?
Do you, Sean, or any Spanish speakers at Biola, have an opinion about the Reina Valera by Casiodoro de Reina (1569) revised by Cipriano de Valera (1602)? I have the 1960 revision.
I’m curious to know what you guys think about David McBrine’s comments two months ago.
I'm currently reading about the differences between the Byzantine vs Alexandria text... And I can tell you more push back is needed on what your guest is purporting as fact, such as the "fact" that the extra text was added later. There's no way to know for certain.
Hello how are you doing hope you're safe over there👋👋😊
Please read "The Case for Byzantine.Priority," published in 2020 by Drs. Maurice Robinson and William Pierpont. Their arguments for the Byzantine textform are even better than Dr. Wilbur Pickering's.
@@IndianaJoe0321 Thanks! I'll look into it. Right now I'm reading "Touch Not the Unclean Thing" by David Sorenson. He gives a really good case for not trusting the Vaticanus and Siniaticus Alexandria manuscripts. Next I plan to read a book supporting the critical text position.
Regarding the author comment at 12:50 if it's documented then why are scholars still saying we don't know? And is there any way we can look at them?
Trusting the scriptures isn't a problem as all scriptures are from God and must be believed. The problem comes in the interpretation and understanding of the scriptures. Who has the correct interpretation of the bible? Even the reformers couldn't agree.
The contradictions come from the individual understanding of scriptures.
This problem always always always comes down to not reading the Bible
Could a soldier truly say he has faith in his commanding officer if he does not obey his commands?
I think this is a useful way of thinking about how to reconcile faith and works, or Paul and James.
Also, 'faith without works is dead' implies what to do if you want your faith to be alive, as opposed to, say, just being theoretical or intellectual.
My question is about textual variants. Critics often site how many textual variants there are in the manuscripts as a reason for being skeptical. I know there are only a few copies of some of the most important non-Biblical ancient manuscripts, and yet we have thousands of copies of the New Testament. My question is: what textual variants are there in the non-Biblical ancient manuscripts, and does that make people skeptical of them?
Dr. Mounce ftw
What bible translation do you recommend?
ESV or CSB
Hardcore skeptics are avoiding the humiliation and submission required to make peace with the Lord. That step of faith and admission of guilt is a stymie for many people.
I first saw you on trip to the Kings Academy. I thought you were an Atheist for real. Well played sir.
God's calendar can still be a month off because the Jews didn't wait for the sighting of the new moon last March. So Hanukkah could be through January 6 of 2022.
Hello how are you doing hope you're safe over there👋👋👋👋
That 2 minute talk about the Passover meal was completely confusing. I'll listen again, but I doubt it will help.
Still though how do we know that Paul’s 13 NT letters are truly G-d breathed apart from the human tradition of the early church fathers and the Catholic bishops at the Ecumenical council of Carthage in the year 397 saying that they are? How do we even determine orthodoxy apart from the human authority of the early church fathers and the decisions of the Catholic bishops in the first 7 Ecumenical councils and how they interpreted the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles?
Disappointed that they glossed over James vs Paul on 'faith alone' by either being disingenuous or by not taking 2 seconds to look at the verse in James. Rather they say that they were unsure if James said "not". Here's the only verse in the bible that contains "faith alone":
Jas_2:24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
We can trust the authorship of the Gospels primarily because these people were regenerated, i.e., they were intrinsically and fundamentally honest. They were essentially incapable of lying which is something most critics would not be able to understand as they have never experienced regeneration.
Oh you poor deluded person, please do not ever carry money or sharp objects.
I genuinely like Sean but I wish that people in these kinds of conversations would push back against those on their own side who are spreading misinformation. Sean has to be aware that the claims made here regarding oral cultures are highly misleading.
Well, it is only a single video covering information that requires a small book collection to cover so many points made by scholars from years of study and analysis of the issues.
There are no contradictions if you interpret the verses in the 'right' way.
hint of sarcasm?!
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This is the first time I come here I'm a born again Christian dose any body knows why the Bible was written? This should be the question we should ask
It was written to control the early Jewish followers who probably was a lot less educated then the authors of the old testament(Hebrew Bible) the new testament was created and in order for the people to accept the new ideas or new approach, they connected their new approach to the Hebrew Bible because people back then wouldn't accept anything unless it was connected to something that was ancient. You're born again. Now question everything they tell you. Question even me. Research everything. This is the information age. What a time to be alive. We can fact check the preacher in real time. What a time to be alive.
@@aaronmonroe7932 your right it is a time to be alive I was born of flesh and blood on Oct 3 1967 but that doesn't save me one bit Jesus said to Nicodemus "except a man be born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God " the day i saw the real me ,that is, a sinner, and because of that in need of a Savior. I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior in my heart ,that day I felt and knew I was forgiven for my passed present and future sins to come you can do the same thing look at yourself in the mirror and b honest with yourself and you will see that your a sinner too and in need of a Savior too
The seed was corrupted giants etc. the blood needed to be cleansed. Old Testament brings up genealogy many times. Jesus had to come from a clean bloodline. Dr. Mike Heiser explains why God did clean house.
Evans is doubtful that John gospel is for the most part was not spoken by Christ. He agrees with Bart. Check out his debate with Bart.
Are not Paul's epistles written before the four gospels?
That depends on when you believe the Gospels were written. Scholarly view ranges from 40s AD to end of the century. I think it's generally accepted that Paul's first letter was written around AD 52.
@@PC-vg8vn thank you for your response. From what I see, most Biblical Scholars (many Christians themselves) state that Paul's epistles were written before the gospels. Off course that does not invalidate the authenticity of the gospels.
@@chindi17 That is probably right for some of his letters. Personally I see no reason for dating Mark later than mid-50s (which would mean it was written before some of Paul's letters) and Luke early 60s or late 50s. John more than likely after AD 70 (though even that's debateable). Matthew may have written some parts in Hebrew before the larger Gospel was written in Greek. Church father Papias seems to possibly imply that. In reality noone can be absolutely sure when any of the Gospels were written, its all an educated guess. And those educated guesses can vary quite considerably!
@@PC-vg8vn name a scholar who thinks a gospel was written in the 40s, laughable
@@PC-vg8vn Mark is almost universally dated at 70. Dating before that simply grants him psychic powers and so much if the gospel is written to address the known destruction or imminent destruction not the temple.
BILL MOUNCE!!!
How can anyone trust a Bible that keep changing all the time? You promote Modern Critical Text advocates. Really! Great material for Muslim apologists.
Bear in mind the following: Jesus hadn’t been to the cross. He was born under the old covenant and was in the process of fulfilling the Old Testament law properly. The scribes and Pharisees were under the illusion that they were righteous/holy & fulfilling the law. However Jesus’s with his statements points out the exacting standards and requirements of the law which none of them were obeying anyway. He raises the bar of the law so high that the listeners realise that they could never achieve it. The New Testament/ covenant the Age of Grace is only ushered in on Jesus death burial and resurrection and shed blood. This New Covenant ushered in by God and founded on better promises. Any perceived conflict is only there because of a lack of understanding of which Covenant each writer is in at the time
dispensationalism at it's finest my brother, good stuff.
2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV 1900): 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly DIVIDING the WORD of TRUTH.
There are so many old testament stories that reveal God as caring.. Hagar, the mother of Ishmael got sent away with her young boy and was languishing in the desert when ahe cried out to God and got a personal response from God. God provided life saving water for her and her son and also a promise to bless her and to make the boy a father of many nations. Hagar then calls Yahwey the God who sees me.
If you examine the details in the stories of Sarah, Rahab, Tamar, Moses and Aaron, Samuel, Bathsheba, David and Jonathan, etc. You'll descover a God who cares about the individual. And YHWH cares about both Hebrew and Gentile people.
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With all due respect, Dr. Mounce is here just making things up. With reference to the discrepancy between the timing of the Passover meal in John and Luke the contradiction is clear. Just read the evangelists:
Luke 22:15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.
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So...Jesus, by his own testimony, tells us that he is at the Passover meal, with his disciples, before the Passion. But wait, John tells us:
John 18:28 Then the Jewish leaders took Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman governor. By now it was early morning, and to avoid ceremonial uncleanness they did not enter the palace, because they wanted to be able to eat the Passover.
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So in this telling, the Jewish officials have already arrested Jesus and are gathered before Pilate's residence, which they cannot enter lest they be defiled and thus unable to eat the Passover. Therefore, the Passover hasn't happened yet. End of story.
Dr. Mounce is really sacrificing a great deal of credibility here by insisting on his harmonization, which absolutely does not work. Counting backward from the Crucifixion can't fix the timeline above. Perhaps what the differing accounts above are telling us is that those unknown editors who compiled and ordered the books of the New Testament did not mean for us to take these stories perfectly literally. Obviously so, since they decided to set next to each other stories that flatly contradicted each other.
It depends on the calendar the writer was using, depending on his audience. Id recommend Colin Humphrey's "The Mystery of the Last Supper" for further reading.
Exactly. None of these books were literal. Nor were they meant to be together. Nor do they coincide with each other. It saddens me to my core to see people twist themselves and logic into pretzels to try and fix it.
It's like if you got a puzzle box with a bunch of random puzzle pieces that don't belong together, but you don't know that so you spend countless hours trying to make the picture on the box never realizing that the pieces they gave you don't make the picture.
Apologists of his ilk are slimy liars. Defend defend defend, no matter what it takes
Nice! This is great work. I just wanted to comment on the Friday last supper. If Jesus was crucified on Friday He could not have resurrected on Sunday. 3 days and 3 nights He was in the grave. Going back to Moses and the fleeing out of Egypt they started the first Passover on the 14th of Nisan and put the blood of the lamb on the doorpost. The 14th of Nisan was in the middle of the week when Jesus was cut off. So Friday is not a correct date in my opinion when reading scripture. The last supper was on a Tuesday! Great job on the rest!
Thanks for weighing in. That depends on how we interpret “3 days and 3 night,” of course!
No. 3 days and 3 nights was a linguistic idiom meaning a short period of time. I provide several reasons for this interpretation in my large book on Jesus' resurrection.
@@MikeLiconaOfficial hmm okay, so what other days are not really days then. When I check the Greek it just says 3 days.
Treis (3) Hemeras (days) Treis (3) Nyktas (nights)
Are there not 12 hours in a day?
@@ThedayoftheLord Mike Licona is correct. There is an example, I think, in Esther where 4 days is referenced but 4 full days/nights does not occur. Jewish thought was that a part of a day could count as a 'day'. It is only because we tend to be so precise these days, ie 24 hour period, that we think 'contradiction'. But it should be stated that a day as we understand hasnt always been 24 hours! But I wont go into that.
Regarding the date of the crucifixion etc, Id recommend Colin Humphrey's "The Mystery of the Last Supper". I found most of his arguments convincing.
@@PC-vg8vn I will pray on it, I don’t just follow all ideas but it’s interesting enough to look into!Thank you for commenting.
Sir Francis Bacon (aka Wm. Shakespeare) rewrote the New Testament 😘
7:00 this entire narrative about ancient cultures being able to memorize important texts or stories is moot since the 4 gospels don’t match. If this narrative was going to mean anything in terms of the teachings of the Jesus story, the evidence would be in gospels that match. They don’t.
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When you trust the Bible, you’re simply trusting your own understanding of the Bible.
No,in the telephone game was not to get it wrong,but test of human fallibilty.
The telephone game is irrelevant to the Gospels. Ehrman speaks nonsense on that.
@@PC-vg8vn I agree. To say otherwise is to be willfully ignorant.
The idea that Jesus was some obscure nobody is completely contrary to the gospels:
Jesus withdrew with his disciples to the lake, and a large crowd from Galilee followed. When they heard about all he was doing, many people came to him from Judea, Jerusalem, Idumea, and the regions across the Jordan and around Tyre and Sidon. Because of the crowd he told his disciples to have a small boat ready for him, to keep the people from crowding him. For he had healed many, so that those with diseases were pushing forward to touch him.”
Mark 3:7-10
The more I see many of these so called “criticisms” about the Bible the more I believe what it is saying is true.
The epistles of Paul and the other disciples already spoke against heresy and false teachings in the last days. Men will be lovers of themselves instead of lovers of God.
9] They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
Some scholars said they were once believers. Thats what we are witnessing nowadays.
No contradictions in the bible? Well I have a Christmas present for you. I will give you the contradictions of the nativity stories in the bible as my gift to you. Matthew & Luke nativity stories are not the same story and contradict one another.
1. Matthew story had Jesus being born in or before 1 BCE - Luke's story had Jesus being born in 6 CE or later.
2. Matthew's story had Mary & Joseph go from Bethlehem with Jesus to Egypt for 2 years then go to Nazareth - Luke's story had them go from Nazareth to Bethlehem then 41 days after Jesus' birth going back to Nazareth.
3. Matthews story had 3 wise men(the Magi) and Luke's story had no wise men (Magi) in it.
4. Matthew story had an angel warning them (Joseph's dream) about Herod the great* to go hide in Egypt for 2 years after Jesus was born - Luke's story had no mention of Herod the great* at all - maybe since when Jesus was born in Luke's story Herod had been dead for at least 5 years. (Note: there are no records of Herod the great* having all the children 2 or under being put to death and his life is well documented and something like this would have been recorded. The fact is there is no recording of this event ever happening except in the gospel of Matthew).
5. Matthew story has no mention of the census of Caesar August while Quirinious** was governor of Syria (6 CE to 9 CE) as Luke's story does.
We have some contradictions here.
First contradiction - When was Jesus born? In Matthews story he would have had to be born no later than 1 BCE and in Luke's story no earlier than 6 CE. That is a minimum of 5 years difference (they didn't have a zero year).
Second contradiction - In Matthews story they went from Bethlehem to Egypt for 2 years before going to Nazareth, and in Luke's story they went from Bethlehem to Nazareth 41 days after Jesus' birth. Note: if you need me to I can show you how I got 41 days from Jewish traditions.
The 3rd contradiction - In Matthews story Jesus was born in a house and in Luke's story Jesus was born in a manger. Another problem with Matthews story is the wise men (Magi) were from the east meaning Bethlehem was to their west. But the story has the wise men (Magi) following a star in the east, which of course would be taking them in the wrong direction if they followed it. Just saying. Note, I once had an apologist tell me the wise man followed the star to the east when they left Herod the great in Jerusalem and went to Bethlehem, but Bethlehem is almost directly North of Jerusalem, so they would be going North, not east when they left Herod.
* we know it was Herod the great who died no later than 1BCE because his son Archelaus took over reigning in Judea which is the reason in Matthews story they went to Nazareth.
** he became governor when Caesar Augusta order the census in 6CE.
Merry Christmas
@@SalemK-ty4ti Who are the 12 apostles? Please & thank you 💚
Salem 1692 K If Jesus was born in a manger, what was his mother doing in a manger?
I hope you get a back boon and had never gone with Allen Parr's and turning agianst the Holy Spirit. EDU has taken a stand to noilafy the word of God for all EDU, for us witch do not have.
The apologetic professor likes Craig Evans on gospel authorship. What does Dr. Evans say in a dialog on UA-cam with Bart Ehrman: “Dr.Craig Evans responds: “I think most of these things were not uttered as we find them by the historical Jesus. I suspect we don’t have too much of a difference on John. My view is that the Gospel of John is a horse of another color all together. It is a different genre. John is often compared to wisdom literature. It is like wisdom is personified. Hochma. Lady wisdom or in Greek sophia. She wanders the streets. She calls out to the people. She does things. Nobody would read that and think, did you see wisdom going down the street the other day? Nobody would think that it is a literal person. What is mysterious to me about John is once you say that perhaps we should interpret the I am statements as, ‘He is confessions’, He is the light of the world, He is the truth, He is the bread of life, confession of the Johannine community that likely generated that version of the gospel. John is a gigantic parable. …that makes John so tricky”. At that point, Bart Ehrman gets to smile and say, ‘So, now we can toss out John’.
It’s sad that apologists don’t care about any actual objections just straw men to push books on gullible believers😢
I enthusiastically recommend “The Case for Jesus” by Brant Pitre, PhD.
I was a Christian for the first 45 years of my life and fell away. I wanted desperately to get back to God and believe the Bible so incredibly bad but I just can’t get past the fact that the fundamentals are based on older ancient writings and it cannot be “God’s Word”. The creation story, the flood story even other people who were said to have done the same things as Jesus. I promise I’m not trying to be argumentative, I’m just simply trying to find someone who can help me comprehend how it’s possible to believe what seems so obviously just another take on the earlier myths.
I don’t read any NIV after 1990 because the current NIV is so watered down that it is unreadable for those of us who actually treasure the word of God. If this man has anything to do with that process of watering down the language so that many passages completely lose their power, I’m not sure I want to bother with his book.
"I just have to believe it or I have to jettison the whole thing and I can't do that so I choose to believe."
Brethren/friends, a few notes:
1) When does one ever eat the Passover before it is sacrificed? Never. It seems to me Jesus would not have eaten the Passover meal prior to being offered as our Passover sacrifice because that would be out of order. In Luke 22:15, the Greek word "desire"(epithymia) has a meaning of "desire for what is forbidden". It seems Jesus knew he was not going to actually consume the Passover meal because He was already going to be sacrificed. Now, there's no record of the disciples observing Passover the night Jesus was killed or even in the second month, so I'm not sure what happened with that.
2) Jesus was not a religiously practicing Jew, meaning He was not practicing Judaism. The Old Testament was not Jewish. The 12 tribes of Israel were not Jewish. This theme of everything being Jewish seems to confuse a great deal of biblical teachings.
3) The biblical days do not begin at sunset, contrary to popular misinterpretation of Gen. 1:5; Lev. 23:32. The days begin at dawn.
4) It appears to me that John, in his gospel, during the Passion is using Roman time, which reckoned days from midnight-midnight. When comparing the 4 gospels with that in mind, it appears to clear up some confusion.
Love y'all!
The contradiction that bothers me the most is the idea that Jesus is God and is also God's Son.
NO OT prophecies spoke of God Himself being the sacrifice. Different books of the NT provide different views on the answer of who Jesus was. Some said Jesus was the Son of God. Some said Jesus was God. The various NT writings had a contradiction that needed to be solved. Thus, the doctrine of the Trinity was invented to solve the contradiction.
The 2nd temple period Biblical Judaism believed in the Two Powers in Heaven theology: so the trinity comes from this Jewish theology not Constantine and is in the Hebrew Bible but rejected by Rabbinic Judaism in response to its support of Jesus as the Visible YHWH.
Jesus claims He is the Cloud Rider of Daniel 7:13,14 a polemic used against Ba'al the Storm god and attibitived to YHWH: the High Priest understood what Jesus was saying and tore his clothes as a sign that Jesus blasphemed because he claimed equally to God of the Jews.
El is God and Ba'al; El's son is also a God in the canaanite Pantheon.
So ; Jesus just claiming God as his own Father is also claiming equally to God .
Dr.Michael S.Heiser videos explains this from the Hebrew Bible.
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That's not true
@@davidjanbaz7728 So ancient Jews couldn't even agree on the interpretation of the Torah... almost as if it wasn't written clear the first time.
@@eddyrobichaud5832 What's not true? I love to learn so I don't continue making false claims in the future.
Sorry to be so direct ,your saying "the various NT writings had a contradiction that needed to be solved " the word of God does not contradict itself. If you read John 1:1-11 you read "the Word was with God and the Word was God " here the "Word" is Jesus himself in verse 14 you read that the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.....
"I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so."
-St Augustine
Yet a friend of mine who is not an evangelical Christian, who attended a Catholic Girls’ School (here called a nuns’ school), told me they were told that reading the Bible would make you crazy or that it was a sin to read the Bible. She also told me a friend of hers, a nun or novice, complained of being like a sex slave to the priests.
The meaning behind James words is blatantly obvious. To interpret his words as works based salvation is to not pay attention to his words.
"But someone may say, “You [claim to] have faith and I have [good] works; show me your [alleged] faith without the works [if you can], and I will show you my faith by my works [that is, by what I do].” - James 2:18 Amplified Bible
He isn't talking about salvation through works, he's talking about faith. The only difference is that he is emphasizing the need the SHOW our faith through what we do. All he is saying is "actions speak louder than words." Merely claiming that we have faith is meaningless unless we demonstrate that faith by what we do and how we live. Just look at what Jesus himself said.
“Why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not practice what I tell you?” - Luke 6:46 (See also Matthew 7:21 - 24)
Faith is not passive, it's active.
Resolve first the various contradictions in the gospel written in Greek before you talk about the reliability of the gospels.
Oral traditional criticism is a very sound criticism to be honest. Jesus himself did not leave anything in writing. We have to admit that the writers of scripture have a Theological agenda. Come on fellow Christians it is okay to say there is a sound criticism that cannot be easily countered. We should not be countering by using words like "fallacious"
I think the only way criticism of the oral tradition is sound is from the perspective of a non-oral culture -- ours, that is.
Pretty sure that every writer of every book at any time had an agenda (especially history). For me though, it's more important to know if the writing is true or not. After all, if the writer's bias is that he/she witnessed the events described, that's enough to give the work serious consideration.
@@geraldbritton8118 Yes,but none of these writers'witnessed' anything.
@@frankwhelan1715 How did you come to that conclusion?
Many Christians believe that God inspired the Bible and recall that our faith is in Jesus and believe in His truth.
*Question: Is the New Testament not reliable, because the information that was transmitted orally before being written down?*
Answer: The New Testament IS reliable, due to the following reasons.
(1) We know that the apostles *did proclaim* the gospel publicly from Acts and Paul´s letters for at least a few decades after Jesus´s death and that reaches us right at the door-step of when the gospels were written. It would only be _unreliable_ if they did _not_ proclaim it.
(2) We know that they *had the desire to exclude false narratives and keep eyewitness narratives* , because information in Paul´s letter and in gospel of Luke are the same and because Matthew´s gospel and Luke´s gospel include the same information as in Mark´s gospel (which is the earliest gospel) and because Papius acquired his information from an associate of John during the 1st century (a few decades of when the gospels were written, which is amazing in the context of ancient history!!!). It would only be _unreliable_ if the authors of the gospels _lacked_ a desire to filter out false narratives.
What are the name of the 12 apostles? 🙏
@@Kat-I-am3333 totally irrelevant to his comment and maybe spell apostles correctly when asking a question unrelated to someone's comment? My sister (as I refuse to call you "Kat *I am* (that's Jesus'/Yahushua's title not yours, and you're not a Goddess (can you prove your self proclaimed "Godhood"?, as for Gypsy you're definitely that so in agreement there. Anyways believe it or not I say the aforementioned with love for you.
@@JesusNOTreLIEgion we are ALL gods & goddesses, Jesus himself said it...
you can just call me Kat, Cat 😘
No you cannot trust all of it
This is so wrong. Jesus is made to answer all kinds of later controversies by the gospel writers. Do you have to strictly keep the Torah? Mark's Jesus says no it's flexible, Mathew's Jesus says hell yes it's non negotiable(sorry Paul). Did Jesus actually have flesh and blood, Luke has Jesus eat fish and confirm he was real(sorry docetists). Mathew has Jesus take sides in rabbinic debates. John fuses Jesus with the logos first articulated by Philo.... It goes on and on. The reason we have 4 gospels is the communities who read mark thought he was inadequately framing Jesus' true teaching , which of course happened to match theirs. So they wrote their own versions of Jesus. Oh and let's not mention the interpolations in John and Mark and Mathew. That's why I can't buy chrisitianity, the text that is pretended to give clear messaging is a mess of groups fighting one another with the real Jesus lost in the battle. Most secular scholars who have attempted to find the real historical figure can't come up with a consistent version because of these problems.
How could Luke answer docetism when docetism came after Luke? (Docetism is 2nd C but Paul quotes Luke making Luke 1C)
@@radvermin1541 Is Paul quoting Luke or is Luke quoting Paul? Most scholars agree that the authentic Pauline letters are written before the gospels. Decades before. Some scholars even suspect that Luke/Acts knows Josephus, which is very close to second century. My point holds.
@@wingedlion17 Paul is quoting Luke. 1 Tim 5:18, "for Scripture says... "The worker deserves his wages. " (cf Luke 10:7).
Most scholars ignore evidences in the Bible when arguing about the Bible.
For example, most secular scholars follow Walter Bauer who completely ignored the biblical testimony when creating his 'Christianities' hypothesis.
Dr. Ehrman himself was posed a question regarding Jesus statements about dying in the cross and replied with, "I don't think Jesus even said that."
If one closes their eyes, they can deny what's right in front of them.
@@radvermin1541 1 Timothy is a pseudo Pauline forgery. Even some conservative Christians scholars will admit this and all secular ones do. Quoting Luke is one of the many reasons we know this.
@@wingedlion17
but according to secular reasoning you cannot prove anything to be true (eg. You could be wrong about everything you claim to know), so you cannot "know" that this is pseudo-pauline.
I believe the bible is a somewhat decent record of history once you recognize and get past the heavy bias the authors and especially the translators might have had, but I don't believe that it could possibly be the will of god, because language is imperfect and artificial, I believe that god's will cannot be read in a book, but only experienced through the natural world, and as his children I believe that we should honor him by exploring god's creation and everything it has to offer, as well as to better it instead of destroy it as we have been doing, life is the most beautiful of god's creations that we know of, it is our responsibility to protect it, not destroy it.
The God that is able to create the world is also able to keep his word intact so we can understand what he wants for us
We have to honor Him by accepting the gift he wants to give you. Do you want to know what his gift is? And how to receive it?
This guy kills his credibility within 2 minutes