Is democracy being restored or undermined in Poland? - World Questions, BBC World Service
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- Is democracy being restored in Poland? Or undermined? After a bitter election a brand new government is making big changes. Politicians debate questions from a public audience.
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World Questions Poland comes from the Royal Castle of Warsaw where Jonny Dymond chairs a debate with a panel of leading politicians who answer questions on the big issues facing the country, put to them by members of the public.
The panel includes Mateusz Morawiecki, MP - former prime minister of Poland, vice president of the Law and Justice party; Senator Magdelena Biejat - deputy marshal of the senate, co-leader of Razem; Agnieszka Pomaska, MP - vice chair EU Affairs Committee, National Board member of Civic Platform; and Krzysztof Bosak, MP - co-leader of the Confederation and Independence Party.
00:30 Introduction
02:20 State TV was taken off air and staff were sacked after the new government accused the station of political bias. Was this action justified and democratic?
10:00 How will Polish politicians tear down the rainbow curtain separating the country from the rest of the world?
18:51 As Russia’s war against Ukraine moves into a third year, what is the endgame?
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Thank you BBC for organising this. Incredible. Healthy debate with different views.
Whatever we think about Polish Politics… at least we didn’t have one “President / Prime Minister “ like Putin since 1999…
Free speech is also untouchable among Public imo. What a blessing.
Props to the BBC lead for impeccable pronounciation
BBS
That's kind - I've let Jonny know, he's pleased to hear that he did okay
22:51 Who is saying that the US is not doing enough for Poland? We are very much aware of the amount of US troops in Poland and are greatful for them. We have always paid the US for their presence, not to mention the billions of dollars of business that we're doing with them buying fighter jets, tanks, weapons and natural resources.
The US has spend $2.313 trillion blowing up clay huts in a desert (where some of our men had to die), left behind all their equipment and left. Yet they are all over the place when they have to protect a prosperous civilised European country with shared values of freedom and democracy who is fighting for their sovereignty.
@Smetkowski24 It was referring to Krzysztof Bosak's comment about the US, I think he was complaining about the US support of Ukraine, but the audience member seemed to think it was a comment about US support for Poland. Anyhow Bosak's comment doesn't seem to have a basis either, US has been more than half the support for Ukraine, and most of the military support. He complained about it being too slow - fine, but Poland isn't at risk at starting WWIII either, and doesn't have to manage Asia, and frankly the entire globe.
The problem is lack of support for Ukraine.
Ah nice Russian architecture 😂
there was a specific period of time when Ukraine had advantage and was entirely ready to move with the offensive, they had troops but were literally missing ammunition and had to wait so long that conditions changed and opportunities were lost while Russians constantly reinforced, that's what he means saying that U.S didn't do enough, we all know that without U.S, Ukraine wouldn't survive, but the hesitation made the situation stagnant rather than actually change the battlefield, not sending the long range himars rockets for example.
Actually in Poland we pay for Us troops to standing in Poland. It' s not the same like they supporting other east countries.etc..Instead of Us troops standing in Poland for different reason that only safe our country. They're exploring our soil etc..of course this is most politican stuff then only basic protection and help.
The lady should read the Polish constitution in the first place instead advising it to anyone, and say sorry to Morawiecki, as in this case he was correct. "Marriage as an union of a woman and a man, family, motherhood and parenthood are under the protection of the Republic of Poland. "
left wing snowflakes will still deny that, they say that there is no definition of marriage in the Polish constitution
I love it! Bez względu na to kto rządzi, taka debata otwiera nas by patrzeć na siebie na tle świata, cywilizując kulturę polityczną i otwarte mówienie o problemach i poglądach.
Bardzo ciekawe przedsięwzięcie. Zastanawia mnie tylko czy ilość osób popierających lewicę na widowni. Wydaje mi się, że publiczność powinna być podzielona po połowie. A mam wrażenie, że zastosowano inny czynnik podziału.
I thinks that people who were seting on meet are the free and can have vareity opinion's but that's who enter to meet is individual aspect. People have vareity opinion and no one shouldn't chosen who shall be of studio or who shouldn't be of studio. People's the western looking liberality of life and nobody shall not propose how many person's have enternce to the studio that's presence opinion which could akceptly to the television. At the freedom enternce to studio has every who wants take share of debate. Your a idea that's creation, trick and mistake the present if of studio is a free thr place then you has enternce if you are was interesed meet or hasn't the place and going to home and watch the performance of TV or internet and gave your vote of coments and the next can treid enternce to the studio that to laud tell own opinion before community.
This is just the free man therefore you must a lot learn with your friends and now how creature the biggest the performance for community. You watch and delect that your country on mouth's entier civilization of the World. We have five minute and after coments can show that's resson to the biggest praud😂 Do you have a honor? 😅
Jest tak, jak piszesz. BBC, jak cały tzw. mainstream, jest lewicowe, więc nie ma się co doszukiwać obiektywizmy. Dodatkowo pamiętajmy, jaki "wspaniały" reportaż wypuściło BBC przed Euro 2012 w Polsce ostrzegając cały swiat przed niebezpiecznymi Polakami, którzy tylko czekali na turystów, aby ich bić i rabować. Od tamtej pory BBC jest dla mnie zwykłą gadzinówą.
@@khubak Why you writing such terrible a messages on topic the BBC? And The next here you are? For long a time you have such opinion on The BBC, but you are here and comenting here, What after once another making here? Do you shouldn't to be in other the place?
When from long that's of course for you and you unacceptable that it you should the ended show The BBC but the next coming back here Do you hasn't obsesion that unacceptable that but want watch it? 🤔🤣👀😂
@@pawekowalik8932 How emotional response. Don't take it personal Paweł plz. It wasn't about you. Cheers
The last guy stole the show. Great punch line.
The last guy is actually three squirrels in a trenchcoat
Only Bosak from Konfederacja has something wise to say, nice to hear common sense.
Prosty burak w garniturze przemawia do prostych buraków w tanich dresach. Konfa jest niczym :*
@@JanNowakKowalski-f3z mówisz o swoim ojcu ?
@@grzegorzjaworski1366Elektorat Konfy nawet porządnie zaorać nie umie, żenujący jesteście, mężczyźniątka :)
@@grzegorzjaworski1366 Gzesiu, możesz się pluć na prawo i lewo, ale fakty są takie, że Konfa jest dla naiwnych człopięt :)
This is a question..Why you came to Poland? Because you do not safe enough in your own soil? So if you do not like it just come back ( this is what I usually heard from english ppl in uk) and do not even trying change our Religion!Culture! Tradition or Law as it' s Ours which we have builded up by generations! Its not yours and never will be and you probably never understand that..
Well said.
Jerzy na końcu rozjebał system hahah😂
bogurodzicy nie zaspiewal :(
Dobrze powiedział, nie będzie negocjacji z terrorystami
Nie bylo Rosji 1000 lat temu...
@@defendfreedom1390 oczywiście że nie, choć putin bezczelnie kłamał w wywiadzie z Carlsonem, że Rosja była 1000 lat temu i właśnie dlatego nie należy z kimś takim w ogóle rozmawiać, tylko doprowadzić do podzielenia Rosji na kawałki, to trzeba czym prędzej zaorać i ucywilizować
Polish people, I write from Brazil! So good to hear more about your social and political questions and issues!
Indeed. Refreshing!
Te amo Brasil! @semithamusicista6390
Much love from Poland. We don't hear a lot about each other, but there's always respect and warm feelings for Brazil in my country.
@@yes12337 Thank you!! 😍
I encourage you to search about Poland recently, mainly because it's really intense and almost educational. We are trying to explain the visa scandal, the secret services and elections that did not take place, and we spent millions on them.
So the left-wing and the right-wing are the two closest parties on the issue of the public TV.
When left-wingers and right-wingers agree on something I bet it must be true!
btw. Great job BBC! Didn't expect it! It was very inreresting to watch!
Or they are trying to rock the boat
PiS to chrześcijańska lewica, jak niegdyś Samoobrona.
(A w Zjednoczonej Prawicy jedyna prawicowa partia ta było Porozumienie Gowina, bo Ziobryści to konserwatywni socjaliści)
Z większych partii w Polsce to prawicą jest jedynie Konfederacja (w której skład wchodzi skrajna prawica z KKP) i PSL (centroprawica).
Nic więc dziwnego że PiS i lewica zgadzają się w takich sprawach jak media publiczne czy gospodarka.
They are simply both in the opposition. When criticizing the government there's only so many stances to take. They're bound to intersect.
Did democracy ever leave Poland? Presumably, isn't democracy how the new government came about?
Maybe no but republic? Yes
Previous govt was undermining independence of judiciary , using it to attack political opponents and using state owned media for propaganda. We were on the fast track towards dictatorship.
Democracy has never left. It's the far right that was ousted. I'm happy with the change.
@@matt-eu-poland "far right" 😂😂😂
Perhaps you should delve into the concept of 'Constitutional democracy'.
The principle of separation of powers exists for a specific purpose. It extends beyond mere majority rule to encompass the essential aspect of honoring and upholding legal principles. At one point, Poland teetered dangerously close to the threshold of 'competitive authoritarianism'.
I appreciate putting 3 people of different spectrum next to each other, especially Mr Bosak. Disagree or Agree, this is the reflection of the different perspectives in our society.
And that’s what the true public media is
@@MAKSPLUS funny thing is that we need BRITISH public media to lead a debate for us.
But it is accurate, the panel represented the 4 most distinct views in polish parliament right now.
It was too short and we only heard a small portion of views. It should have been longer.
I don't. Fascists like Bosak should not be part of public debate. And yes, he's a fascist, just look up the "czy Krzysztof Bosak jest faszystą" Wykop post series by Kozajsza.
Polish people don't agree with you and will not fight your war with Russia for Ukraine.
Not sure if it’s the full version of the debate?
Is there any longer version available online?
Thanks for watching. You can hear a longer radio version - around 50 minutes - on this link. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct59tc
I am positively surprised by level of this debate
This is something I wish to see more often in public media of Poland
It’s mostly thanks to British host
Thanks very much - I am really glad you appreciated what we did for our Poland programme. You can hear a much longer radio version and links to our other radio editions of World Questions from around the world on this site. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct59tc
BBC is not free media.
WTF did you set questions before interview - lol
Not exactly free but much higher standards than tv pis
Famous BBC bias...
@@gbpl1010 For BBC if US voters vote for Trump it is not democracy. When a Law & Justice parliamentarian was assassinated by a card-carrying Civic Platform member BBC refused inform about it.
Oh, how is it not "free media"? How were questions "set"?
this is British CNN
And what about helping polish people because they are polish! Like polish people that live in misery… just an example… not only UA refugees…
What...?
Lol this crowd xD
Tylko dla tego, że obecny rząd bardziej pasuje Europie Zachodniej nie oznacza, że jest bardziej demokratyczny.
W porównaniu do pisu? Spokojnie
To i tak nie ma znaczenia czy jest Polska demokratyczna czy niedemokratyczna na zgniłym i zacofanym kontynencie, który załamie się ekonomicznie pod ciężarem własnych regulacji i braku technologicznego rozwoju.
@@dand337Strzelanie do górników, prowokacje policyjne na marszu niepodległości i wśród środowisk kibicowskich, wyrywanie urządzeń nieprzychylnym redakcjom, nadużywanie immunitetu, kolesiostwo, nepotyzm etc. Left the chat
@@bartbart4702I spadku rdzennej populacji oraz zastępowanie jej obcokrajowcami z innych kontynentów. Europa wkrótce upadnie, na krótki czas pałeczkę przejmą Chiny i Indie a potem już równa pochyła, bo Chiny też mają problem z starzejącą się populacją i tylko Afryka mnoży się na potęgę.
nikt nie podaje tego jako jedyny powód tylko se tak wmawiasz
ale dobrze wiedziec ktorzy politycy potrafia sie porozumiec bez tlumacza
ludzie po 45 mieli raczej ruski w szkolach i nie mieli internetu zeby sie z niego nauczyc, nie ma co ich za to winic
@@xantroslol nie winie w zadnym wypadku ale tez trzeba przyznac ze znajomosc angielskiego to atut
i symptomatyczne ze ze wszystkich partii sa w sumie szychy a z KO troche noname
@@mohhieAtut? To raczej podstawa.
@@Vatras888w idealnym swiecie
Poland has been defending democracy from autocracy in e.g. Ukraine war
The pro ruzzians got arrested. Get some brain and stop spreading nonsense.
@@thebleckBieber45 yup, they act like Putin is paying them
@@thebleckBieber45you're watching too much TV. btw. Ukraine is still pumping Russian gas to Austria, Slovakia and Hungary :)
@zmazurek7991 Dude, its not nice to talk like that about your countryman that try to avoid bankrupcy. Its in their POLISH interest. So it also should be yours.
Except those tractorists blocking the border...
The invited audience isn't too diverse in terms of political views, is it?
nope, but what one could expect from the BBC
Thanks for your point. We did not invite an audience, we advertised widely and it was self-selecting on a first come first served basis. But of course, it was all people who could make it to Warsaw for the debate and spoke good enough English to take part. I think we found there were different points of views represented, but some more loudly than others. We do what we can to make it an open debate and do not select any audience members on the basis of their views.
@@BBCWorldService most of the audience is heavily if not on ultra-left side. You can tell this by their reactions. Very poorly done the selection process of the audience. Shame.
jako nauczyciel angielskiego jestem taki dumny - imagine jak wypadliby czołowi brytyjscy i amerykańscy politycy w debacie po polsku
Pochrzanili low i law, ale generalnie okay. Głupi tytuł.
@@matt-eu-poland debata ma dziwny format; spodziewałem się, że praworządności będzie poświęcona większość czasu, a tu miszmasz tematów i to w pół godziny tylko.
@@matt-eu-poland W Polish English taka wymowa jest akceptowalna.
bądźmy szczerzy kogo obchodzi polski? jak stworzysz kraj który będzie miał kolonie na całym świecie i podbije Indie, albo kilkuset milionowe państwo z największą gospodarką na świecie to twój język też się stanie ważny
Do tego popkultura i to że angielski jest łatwo przyswajalny a polski i inne słowiańskie... no cóż
@@mateuszmazurek7991 aleś zakompleksiony jesteś
I'm shockingly surprised about making debate with right wing by BBC. Positively surprised.
Don't they invite Torries MPs for debates? Who’s debating then? Two Labour MPs with each other? I ask seriously, I am Polish living in Poland and do not watch bbc on daily basis.
“Right wing”? Are You insane?
@@mrytel Why I am? Are they not exist?
@@1963eM i don’t know what he means, too. i see here 3 right wing politicians out of 4. The only left wing politician is Ms. Biejat. Polish politics is generally right wing. The only left wing party has less than 10% votes.
@@tomekg6629 Ms Biejat is from left
Beautiful Propaganda Mateusz Morawiecki
As a Polish person I wonder where all those well English-speaking people come from?? LOL. Pretty interesting.
such a good one
love this so much and miss living in poland :(
Consider coming back then 👀😁
Return!
wróć! Ciebie brakuje!
I have lived in England for almost 18 years and I have never seen so much propaganda on TV as it is on the BBC.
Curently is worse then was. PIS was moving on the edge of law. Current leading coalition is "repairing" changes made by PIS beheind the border. Without respect to law. Repairing tv hitting it by hammer. Thats worse road to repair sth.
totally agree. current government are hypocrites. previously criticizing previous government for 'breaking law and destroying democracy' and now they don't obey the law at all and use much worse means. Hopefully people voting for those communists will wake up soon.
It's totally vice versa.
Exactly, totally agree. People who voted for current government became so blind in their hate toward previous government that they can't clearly see now it's much worse
I wish all polish media should look and learn how a debate is handled. Thank you BBC!
The questions, answers and the persons form the public who’s going to speak was decided before the tv show… so: thanks bbc for the guided show you out up!
w polsacie dobrze przecież prowadzą debaty
There is no polish media in Poland
British Bullshit Corporation
Democration was known in Poland from centruies. We were always Res Publica !!!!
What was that?! My strongly request to everyone who listen to this: please do not form your opinion about Poland based on this pathetic talk show. Biased audience behaving like a cattle.
I must express my disapproval of your actions in offending cattle. 😢Cattle play a significant role in our society and should be treated with care and consideration.😂
How is it "pathetic"? Because you didn't like it?
@@JanNowakKowalski-f3z That's right. I don't want my homeland to be judged by this kind of stream. Half a program talking about lgbtqxyz12345. Realy? This is a main problem in Poland? Unfortunately that is how journalism looks today and BBC is not better than others. However, I admit that host of this talk-show was not biased and let every guest to speak free.
Just for BBC information: in Poland we never had persecution of homosexual people - very different from UK.
1. You mean persecution de iure. The de facto persecution has always been there.
2. Even if you mean persecution de iure, so what? Are we going to argue which nation was the greatest?
3. Is the situation of homosexual people NOW better in Poland or in the UK?
The situation of homosexual people is currently much worse in Poland than in the UK.
How is Poland so great for homosexual people? Please elaborate. Oh, wait... you can't.
@@JanNowakKowalski-f3z Why it should be great? What is so special about you? Are you center of the universe or what?
@@pawe9082 Being ignorant is a choice. Please do better.
As a wise man said , problem is not
the one who dont know but the one
who dos not know that he dos not know.
Independent Poland
Poland is going down.. they turn to the left...is going to be other france
That's sad true...
There were elections last year and transfer of power, which defines democracy, therefore democracy in Poland hasn't been destroyed, so it needs no restoring; the rule of law, on the other hand, is a shambles.
yes, we have no full of law since awful PiS governmance since 2015
Dont sprey comunist propaganda
@@mateuszmazurek7991🤮🤮🤮🤮cwe...
Yes, we have no democracy and the rule of law in Poland since the last elections. Tusk and his coalition do not respect these values
@mateuszmazurek7991 go to north Korea then you find full hipocracy_democracy
BOSAK ❤ NIEPODLEGŁA POLSKA 🇵🇱
Krzysztof Bosak ❤🫡
major topic is about LGBTQ , also by applause you can see what this debate is for and who was invited. They do not represent Polish society
Exactly, it looks like the audience was carefully selected.
Agree. No one cares about it. There are bigger issues I assume like protesting farmers etc not some minoritys delusions.
@@lukei6255 wow so human rights are just some minorities delusions to you?
yeah cuz it is a major topic in Poland, and you can literally hear different opinions form politicians and the audience so what are you talking about?
@@stanisawkwasniewski2087 what human rights they don't have that others have?
Morawiecki is lying like always lol
PUBLIC NEWS MEDIA HAS TO PRESENT
HONEST FAIR,BALANCED AND OBJECT
TIVE NEWS.
WIHHOUT ANY POLITICAL MOTIVATION
AT THE SAME TIME, THEY HAVE TO
INFORM VIEWERS/LISTENERS OF
GOVERNMENT'S AGENDA FOR PUBLIC
GOOD.
Western countries still want to dictate other countries by give certificate in Democracy, Human rights 😂😂😂
Let them focus of Palestinian human rights in Israel - they immediately became blind after October 7th. Apartheid in Israel must stop now!
Debate suddenly focused on lgbt where this is the smallest problem but it is the biggest for bbc
Who cares if Putin is killing civilians, why can't 2 dudes adopt a kid... Of which there are none available... Because nobody's having kids...
It's getting hard not to route for Putin. All of Europe is degenerate & corrupt.
I felt like puking. Can they stop forcing this topic onto us? We are a normal country when it comes to marriages let us stay that way.
@@ligakrysu UK is a normal country when it comes to marriages. Gay people can marry like everyone else (a law introduced by the conservatives, by the way). Have you been to London? People live there happily and no one cares who loves whom. It's not even an issue. What a breath of fresh air, visiting there. Or any other Western European country, for that matter.
@@ligakrysuYour comment shows why the topic about equal rights for LGBT people is important in Poland.
@@robertkosk3059Your comment shows why LGBT should be banned as a topic.
A Pole here. Democracy in Poland during last 30 years was NEVER in danger.
There's nothing to restore.
We need to restore Monarchy.Otherwise we are doomed.
This new government in Poland is old one. Old government under which one the highest quantity people's gone abroad. So i don't see difference who stealing Poland.
Polish people unite agains west warmongers BBC should never be entitle to control discusion in Poland.
BBC creepy criminals employee Jimmy Savile hurt over 500 children you are extensive warmongers.
BBC is disgracefull so it is Winston Churchill and England history toword Poland we want LISTENING you.
Bosak is GOAT
edit: Adoption for gay couples is where me and most Poles would draw the line...
@CzupaCzups3 exactly what I mean
morawiecki, I wonder if he is the only former prime minister with a court sentence for lying
Best Polish Prime Minister
That onliy shows that the rule of law was never threaten here. I can hardly think of a prime minister in any country that did not lie. Why as you say Morawiecki is only one that have been sentencje?
It is astonishing that Tusk Has not się Kaczyński to court for calling him a german agent. After all the civil platform Has majority in the parliament and can easily deprive Kaczyński of his court immunitet. When them Tusk chose not to react to such accusations? If the case was on the court it would be Kaczyński 's duty to prove he was right.
Hahahhahahhahahha @@Average_PiS_Enjoyer
What? @@wojciechsakowski9405
Based Poland.
The pro ruzzians got arrested. Get some brain and stop spreading nonsense.
@@thebleckBieber45 Voting for own rights is for you pro russian act... What would you say then to west UE farmers which are taking voice for their rights? No comment.
@@thebleckBieber45
You are paid troll! Joining date: 28 Oct 2023 (if Ukrainian, you should be ashamed of yourself)
Polish farmers are not pro-Russian! Please do not spread lies and disinformation!
@@thebleckBieber45 what nonsense. They're not pro russian. They just want not to lose their earnings so to sustain their families.
When it comes to war in Ukraine, I think the panel should question the BBC about Boris Johnson advising Zelensky not to negotiate in the beggining of the war. In fact he told him that the NATO support would end if he negotiated. There was negotiated settlement on the table that was almost ready to be signed, but then all the negotiations ended. This war could be over long time ago, but it isnt and now we cannot see the end of it. Who will be fighting in this war tommorrow, if today there is not enough soldiers on Ukraine side? While in Russia Putin dont care and drafts people against their will in mass?
Opening dyplomatic channels is necessary.
Diplomacy with a terrorist is not possible.
The lady from Civic Platform (Agnieszka Pomaska) uses very simple language due to her poor English knowledge. Not the best selection IMO. Due to her lack of accurate response she uses very narrow and populist sentences.
"Russia is our archenemy" - tells Morawiecki and most of the Poles agree with him. At the other hand, they forgot to mention that the Kingdom of Poland several times attacked Russia in the 16th and 17th centuries, burnt down Moscow and Smolensk and helped rival princes and even fake princes to grab the Russian throne. Nothing is black and white in history, that's why I'm quite worried that Polish xenophobia and the hatred of Russia could easily lead the EU into a big war with Russia at some point.
My country has been attacked couple of times by Russia and the Soviet Union (in the leadership of which Ukraine was the second major player! Let's don't forget about this nuance either), still we don't see a reason why we should hate Russians and the Russian state so much as Polish people do. Poles criticize Russian politics but in reality they are very similar in one specific area mentioned also during this debate: the shameful oppression and discrimination of LGBTQ people. Both nations are ultra-conservative in this matter. My advise is: stop spreading hatred and rather look into yourself!
Of course Poland came back to communistic times. Tusk and his supporters made totalitarian space in Poland. Tusk takes citizen's freedom and democracy back by force. Now Poland fights for freedom, because Poles became Palestinians in own country. When Poles fought on Warsaw's streets today, Tusk disappeared. He was frightened, he escaped. I would say that Poles are not so far from reactivating AK army, underground army active during German occupation, because ruthless actions of Tusk, enforced by Police, initiated mass protests. Tusk represents German and Jewish interests, not Polish interests, this is the problem. Fights on streets are reaction to Tusk's actions. If Tusk wants to rule the country using force and sentencing opposing Poles to years in prison, as it was before when PO party was in charge in Poland, Poles will have to use force to eliminate danger to their freedom.
Also how do you justify the destruction of your radio stations???
Brilliant!
In every country New Governments introduces new laws and new changes. That is of course their right as democratically chosen society representatives, BUT i must say, in Poland last ruling party Law & Justice did some mistakes, some changes which were not publicly expected or accepted, and again all governments tend to do that, the difference here is clear, New Tusk Government started making new changes forcefully without proceeding a constitutional bill in a parliament, like recent changes in Media, that alone makes newcomers potentially much worse for the society in Poland then the Law justice party was ruling. But having said so, I mostly agree with Bosak here in what he said about it. All and all Law & Justice propaganda was clear too see but Now Tusk Government hidden agendas are potentially worst in a long run. As far as the present war in Ukraine, we all know in Central Europe that is not the end yet and it will not end if the whole Europe and other countries will not stand much stronger together than were until today. Present sanctions on Russia don't work.
I like how Poland and its people always trust themselves and have a true independence that they become racist or a FAR-RIGHT because they dont want accept immigrants or illegal immigrant. If we think of it as a democracy yes it is democracy in their country but we also think that their not following the American or lets say world democracy where you accept everything or lets say the left. Poland learned from their history and also they just want their culture to be not influence by the other country or people. The answer of this is that Poland is a democratic country who listened to its people, if poland like the americans it will be a disaster not just crime or other things but the ancestry of its country will be forgotten if the other country influence them. If the people choose everything rights about themselves it will be disaster which is what happened to america.
Then why not drop the conflict with the Ukrainians at the Ukrainian borders, so they can bring in their trucks with the equipment and supplies that the Polish/Russian loving farmers are preventing, when the war is going on? Where the hell did freedom and democracy go there?
Tylko Bosak nie przemawiał, jak lokalni kacykowie przed swoimi kolonizatorami.
Bosak is the voice of reason and i do hope that he and his party will win all the future elections. They are the only ones who care for their country and dont do bs. They are they change that has to come in Poland, to kick two tribal parties that ruled country for too long and did so so many mistakes. Time for a change, and this change is alreaddy in process in societys mind, the new generations are done with that tribal bs, we want more, we want our country to prosper.
Yeah... Let's become even more conservative, let's privatize healthcare, instead of repairing it, and let's give Mr Braun power, to turn his words into reality. Brilliant idea! I don't understand how it's possible, that people don't look at party views. I know they're trying to change into a less radical party and that's why they turned away from Korwin, but they still didn't change many of their views and let's not pretend Korwin was the only reason behind the most appalling ideas and views of Konfederacja. If in the next elections, they'll get rid of their radical side, then they'll be acceptable. Now, we only judge the party based on a less radical portion of one guys views. It's immature to say, that based on that, having in mind the past, Konfederacja is automatically great. Let's wait and see... Have you seen what Braun was saying a few days ago on the streets of Warsaw? It's just a portion of what he actually thinks.
Look up the "czy Krzysztof Bosak jest faszystą" Wykop post series by Kozajsza.
His party is extremist, pro putin politics, anty democratic laws, anty every democratic union, so there is no question even to consider this party as any good choice for Poland and it doesn’t matter what Bosak says, he speaks whatever with ability, it’s called propaganda.
Thank you, BBC for organising of the debate.
Mrs. Pomaska completely ignored the question from the moderator of this debate. Instead of an answer, she used the tactics used by the ruling camp during the election campaign. Constant attack on PiS instead of substantive discussion.
Schwab .student
PiS was using same strategies for 8 years, why only comment on opposition using it now 😐
PiS was lying, but in the least elegant way...spitting people in the face and telling that "nothing happened". Like wow, gaslighting at its finest. Opposition is not crystal clear, but they have at least some respect for citizens xd
@@GemuMasta98 she talks to foreign media. She should answer the question not to complain about previous government.
She did get away with it too, or at least she wasn't confronted about it on the panel. The sad truth is that while the previous government wasn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination, they can't really be compared to the new one in lawlessness, blatant one too. What brought down PiS was mainly their ignorance of the realities of their true position, the same thing will be the downfall of the new government. They think, much like Mrs. Pomaska in this panel, that cheap tricks will be enough to get away from responsibility they decided to ignore. They seem like children, content to run around and play harmless games, unaware they are in a forest surrounded by real wolves. There is a deadly war coming to their door and they are too busy playing outdated politics to see it. Someone should tell them they need a unified nation that trusts in them to have a chance at surviving it.
Being libertarian, I never thought that I would support conservatives because they are pro free-speech, lol.
Magda Biejat
ye tell me why shes almost about to cry there? whats with her voice.
stress@@GoreTheSummoner
@@pantarei. I guess vegan diet doesn't provide her with enough strenght!
@@mateuszmazurek7991xD
Poland is right, fight for Polish People, dont see terror attacks, i see a safe country, Well Done
Thanks to everyone who has commented on this stream. If you felt this TV version of the debate was shorter than you'd hoped... there's good news: The full debate was recorded for BBC World Service Radio and you can hear a 50 minute version - with several more issues tackled - on this link: www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct59tc
I am so impressed with Poland.
14:38 This is pure nonsense. If you want to penalize "hate speech", you should do so regardless of who it is directed at or against. Making it solely about the LGBT crew would be discriminatory. Unless we assume, erroneously, that that particular group is special.
This is their definition of "tolerance" and "inclusivity". You can have hate speech against white heterosequal ppl, but no one else.
There is already a law like that, but it doesn't include LGBT people. That's what the fuzz is all about.
The problem is that the law exists already, but it underlines racism and religious discrimination for example, while not mentioning other minorities. It's about making the bill broader. So in that sense it's already discriminatory, as it's focused only on those few minorities. The left wants it to include more minority groups, that are a subject of hate speech.
If making it solely about one or two minorities is discriminatory, then that's exactly what we already have and the point is to make it broader, so it would include other minority groups and not just a few. Like right now. I wrote that already, but the comment disappeared, so here I am again.
@@Patizm I can't see my comment to, what is going on here?
Seeing some of these comments, as a gay (I’d say bi in the past but i am not lying to myself anymore lol) I gotta admit that we hear a lot about LGBTQ+ and all that and sometimes it seems it’s the only thing that matters for the left but we gotta realize homosexuals are the part of our Polish society, not that small and we also have problems - and there will never be a perfect moment when Poland would be free of other issues to just find the time to take care of it.
I myself haven’t DIRECTLY experienced homophobia much in Poland, except for this year when some old guy was literally chasing me, yelling at me, in my neighborhood, NOT KNOWING ME, for the mere fact I was wearing beige pants ;) now imagine, having to casually contemplate every time you are out in the city whether someone will make your day worse scrutinizing you in public FOR NO REASON or not.
Sorry not sorry, I don’t want anyone in my country to experience pointless hate. If I behave in a bad way, if I hurt someone physically or scream my throat out at a random lady - yeah, react, I would react. I hate people who pointlessly make somebody’s life worse, so called asshoIes.
That being said, I myself genuinely enjoy being kind towards ppl, yet as much as I am trying to not give a damn, I have this stress somewhere inside and it’s ridiculous, fr. Yeah, we have greater issues indeed but there are different kinds of problems in Poland, economical, diplomatic etc. and the irrational homophobia is a kind of social issue. There never was and never would be a perfect moment to sit and say „ok now let’s do something about that”, literally never. Why then not just decide to give ppl rights to have this freaking partnership and make sure random people can’t just legally chase someone down for taking a damn breath? I am a tough guy but can’t imagine what would happen if I wasn’t.
No one in our country should feel that way. I’m a citizen of Poland and my family has a long 400 years history, taking care of Polish safety, contributing to every uprising, higher education and eventually losing all for standing up against the Russian Empire after the January Uprising. I’m even trying myself to contribute to this country, doing my best as for student’s capabilities. For all my ancestors’ hardships I can’t go out without acknowledging someone could just beat me up? Fortunately, most of ppl my age are quite open and ambitious enough to not find gay rights an obstacle on our way to becoming a better place for all.
(Yeah, people have more serious problems and I am 100% aware of it and I don’t find myself the most disadvantaged one. It’s just the fact that for me it’s a stupid thing that you can’t just live in Poland without all that subconscious stress and random people having problem with you, perceiving you not as an individual but just gay. I admit there are idiots in the gay community but idiots are EVERYWHERE in every part of our society, cmon. I’m just a regular guy who happens to like guys, the heck is the problem? I may not like someone but I am not attacking them because of it.)
You have a good point, you are gay and nobody cares. Force this topic more onto your neighbours and they will start disliking you for being gay. There is a reason Poland is one of the safest countries right now, if you really want to change that for some western propaganda it's your choice, but a stupid choice.
dyskryminacja ze względu na imię nazwisko kolor skóry płeć orientacje seksualną datę i miejsce urodzenia wiek rodziny przodków ich przewinienia oraz wszelkie różnice człowieka w stosunku do większości jest hańbą bestialstwem tych którzy dyskryminują i tych którzy milczący na to pozwalają
rzygać się chce jak słudze tych prawicowych polityków i komentarze polskich prawdziwych patriotów husaria Polish and proud
Też mieszkam w UK i naprawdę to chore że w Polsce szczuje się na ludzi i razem z kościołem do spółki
Tutaj naprawdę pracują razem polskie karki z siłowni prawicowi lewicowi geje lesbijki ruscy Rumuni biali czarni hindusi i ludzie się przyjaźnią i spotykają poza pracą a Polki średnio mają kolo 3 dzieci
Jedynym kreterium jest czy jesteś dobrym czy złym człowiekiem
na induction w Tesco kobieta je prowadząca powiedział że nie obchodzi ich możesz się identyfikować nawet jako czajnik do herbaty nie obchodzi to nikogo ale szanujesz innych ludzi i to jest nienaruszalna zasada każdego dobrego człowieka ❤❤❤❤
Obrzydliwe jest to szczucie w Polsce dzielenie ludzi i napuszczania na inne nacje
nobody cares
The most civilised interaction I have ever seen between various Polish piliticians of different parties. BBC please mediate more ofter! Otherwise, Magdalena Biejat na prezydenta!
Precz z socjalistami
Polands democracy and independence is fucked.
when someone questions your democracy and this someone is USA, beware beware... Do you allow your neighnbour question your style of life?
bit of a joke for bbc to talk about freedom or democracy.
Not really but it's a joke to talk about freedom and democracy with right wings who were undermining the courts.
Why?
Because BBC is home to leftist propaganda the same as in Western Europe.
Why?
Thanks for watching the programme. We record these open debates in many countries around the world and the opportunity to show democracy in action, with people speaking truth to power is a big part of why we do it.
Hopefully the end of Polish Christian Nationalism Theocratic Laws.
It was the first constitution in whole Europe
A good discussion, thank you BBC!
it looks and sounds like the end of the world
This is really good content and discussion, well structured debate and I'm very impressed by ability to argue points in a second language
First they want to get the right to be married, then they ask to be able to adopt children, then they come to schools and demand children be taught about their lifestyle.
So what you're saying is that people want people to know that it's fine to be gay, and that's a bad thing? Like, nobody asks for kids to be taught about gay s*x, as evidenced by the fact that that literally does not happen. It's just to tell kids that if they're gay there's nothing wrong with it.
@@Idkpleasejustletmechangeit Children do not know what they are. Teaching them about different sexualities only increases their confusion. The State has no business interfering with parents. And please do not claim kids aren't exposed to that kind of material in the UK and the USA.
Equal marriage rights, adoption by same-sex couples and educating children that it’s fine if someone is gay are all good things.
The lady from the left party RAZEM should READ the constitution which says : Article 18
Marriage, being a union of a man and a woman, as well as the family, motherhood and parenthood, shall be placed under the protection and care of the Republic of Poland.
BTW the reaction of the crowd only shows that the public is interested in funny zingers instead of a constructive dialogue
Restored!
The Muscovite state, to which Russia truly traces its origins, did not come into conflict with the Polish state until the XVI century. It is true that it has been a constant nightmare for the Poles ever since.
Ah nice Russian architecture 😂
Russia is a state which has stolen its name from Rus, which is what we call today Ukraine. Capital of Rus was Kiev. All thanks to some German Princess who became a ruler of Muscovy and rebranded the Dutchy of Muscovy into Russian Empire.
To tell you the truth many times it was nightmare for Russians.
@@mera1379You are wrong. You don't know what you taking about.
@user-bz8ng4rx9u I know your architect was copying Russia so I'm Right
Last one looks awsome
Thank You Donald Tusk 😇
Thanks you
Undermined.
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Who watches BBC in Poland? No one clever ! You lost credibility long time ago.
Why?
I like how they presented bosak as right wing instead of far-right or nationalistic :)
TVN ich nie chciało zapraszać a jakoś BBC nie ma problemu :)
BBC kiedyś było - czysta demokracją (Obecnie już nie tak). @@mateuszmazurek7991
That is because he is right wing. Biejat could be described as far-left also.
Because they are libertarians / anarcho capitalists, and this is far from "far right" on the political spectrum, they are farthest rigth in Poland thou as all the rest is to the left of the center.
You don't even know what nationalism is
Where was TVP when the power abuse took place in the UK during the Brexit?
Probably busy pushing its own far-right propaganda...
That ballroom is a real treat. I went to an event there one time and it really does have that wow effect.
Tusk is no lefty. On many ways he is more free market than PiS was. He has steered a reasonable line so far, pushing KSEF into the long grass, sorting out some ridiculous appointments made by the previosis government such as appointing a non-auditor to head up PANA in flagrant disregard of the rules they themselves made.
Now Tusk's team also is revisong downwards the social jnsurance burden on employment in lockstep with the UK which is a funny coincidence, is it not?
Mr Morawiecki has no shame trying justify the conduct of his goverment on international debate.
but he is right.
@@guciodestroyer2432 yeah, right. TVP was exactly like BBC.
@@czelsi07 TVP WAS exactly like BBC, just biased in the opposite direction.
@@pythagorasnineit wasn't like BBC. It was a tool in far right propaganda campaigns. I'm glad we changed that government. I personally voted for the pro EU one.
Poland looking more like the next UK. A country which is in decline in every sense.
@@Matt-rw9py Poland is ditching its heritage for degenerate behavior. Lets just say that if people was straight, AIDS would not have existed. If people stuck to marriage, STDs would not have existed. There are rules for a reason.
It’s never gonna happen. Be for real
spot on. Yes. I see you are quite clever with reading politics.
In Poland we had quite assertive (not ideal) rules, now won total disaster. We have a ministry of equality now. Soros fundations are working like a harm. The worst problem of our women is to have abortion. National debate is now only one source. We do anything EU says. D.I.S.A.S.T.E.R on every Field.
Poland has been the fastest growing economy in Europe in the last 20-30 years, but you call it a country in decline. I wonder which European countries are not in decline in your view then?
@@Gavroche_ The country in decline I was referring to is the UK, which was once the most powerful country on Earth. I meant that Poland will end up like the UK if it abandons its cultural values.
This is the lowest level of television show.
u n d e r m i n e
Lets go Bosak!
Depends on whose democracy we're taking about, because the new government is restoring democracy for the EU bureaucrats, while undermining democracy for the Polish people.
Ridiculous…
Nie masz racji.,mylisz się.
What nonsense. We had enough of those far rights in power after 8 years. I'm glad we changed them😅
@@matt-eu-poland PiS to co najwyżej centroprawica, z mocnym odchyleniem na lewo pod względem gospodarki, widać że nie masz pojęcia o polityce.
TUSK + KACZYŃSKI = MORAWIECKI. DLATEGO TYLKO KONFEDERACJA KORONY POLSKIEJ GRZEGORZA BRAUNA ❤
Very polish standard of dabate. Question about police action and very specific one. And answears are omiting topic. Reciting their prepared statements. And second question. Alexander.. you are probably a nice guy but just give your question.. nobody cares who are you with that day