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Frederick Seddon was my great great uncle .my great grandmother his sister visited him days before he was hung and swore it was his wife who poisoned Eliza .researched lots on uncle Freddie over the last 30 years .they were both guilty and she got away with murder .great to see photos of my great great grandfather near the end of the documentary
@@annwilliams6438 did she boast? I fail to see boastfulness in her post. She only stated facts. History. It's what it is, in stark reality. It has nothing to do with her. There's nothing to hide away from...
Story telling at its finest. No irritating or redundant backing or soundtracks. Beautifully annunciated and wonderfully in depth researching. This channel will surely grow and grow. How strange that (for myself at least) so many of these odious people were still lingering about when I was a lad.
People haven’t changed much have they? Technology has definitely changed, yes, but there have always been evil people who walk around us, and will always be. People who spend more time trying to defraud some poor schmuck, rather than get a job.
I hope these continue. I can't get enough. The narrator has to be the best I've heard since Peter Thomas who narrated forensic files and other series. Love all these old stories of murder and mayhem.
At the moment, my arm is in a cast and causing a good bit of pain. I just want you to know that your voice and stories are doing better than the pain pill in taking my mind off the pain. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH!!!! I have watched each of your videos and thoroughly enjoyed them! Again, THANK YOU ‼️‼️‼️😊😊😊😊😊😊
I absolutely love this channel! They are so respectfully told! Listening to you voice is nice as well!!! I love the introduction so much! Don’t ever change it!
@Shirley Bailey Southern sweet tea no doubt. A lovely treat in the heat. Not here though. If one were to put ice into tea, it would make the news. 😂 Keep cool and enjoy Shirley.
I'm just hoping their children were able to be productive members of society. I also wonder to what extent does the one daughter who bought Fly paper and answered the door knew what was going on .
Probably my favorite video essay by Mr. Mark. I have studied and researched this case for so long, and Mark has captured all of the main points and facts, and the in depth psychological hypothetical conclusions he offers are spot on. Thanks again for being one of my top 5 all time YT channels. And I love your artwork as well. Long live the King! 💪
Thank you very much indeed - it is one of my favourites also! I am told the Seddon family ( including the remaining surviving grandson) spread across the US watched this...
I went to Primary school on Tollington Park ‘Christ The King’ and lived just around the corner through my childhood. Knew about this story as part of our local history.
1911 druggist: “Oh, you have flies? Try this little packet of papers. It contains enough arsenic to kill six people. That should do the job! That’ll be sixpence, please.”
Another brilliant video, thank you Mark! I recently listened to a play on Radio 4 which posited that Margaret Seddon was the guilty party and her husband entirely innocent. As I was listening, I was thinking ‘I wonder what Mark would make of this?’! Thanks again 🤗
Thank you, Jo - I know there was a play written which attributed the entire matter to Margaret, although I have not seen or heard it. I will keep an eye open for it!
The way the Siddons undertook the murder of poor Ms Barrow makes me wonder if anyone else had suffered the same fate at their hands in the past. The murder had so much meticulous detail tying it up over some considerable time, some poor soul must have fallen in a first rehearsal. Mrs Seddon being let off by the judge may well have been a bow to the Freemason code. Excellent video of this chilling tale.
@@kouldbanyone4983 She was in agony for 14 days - it looks like a first attempt to me, messy and amateurish. That said, it's such a terrible thing to have done and the Seddons works so well together, it does make one believe that if they hadn't been caught, there would have been others (if not already a few skeletons in the closet?)
Another excellent video. Incidentally, Seddon's execution perhaps didn't get as much attention in the papers as such an event normally would have, because it happened the week the Titanic sank.
My compliments, sir. You've created a super channel. You relate these stories so well and I love you're sense of detail, digging up pictures and contemporary accounts. Excellent films. Excellent history. Chin chin.
Correctly quoted A.K.! Many say "money is the root..." But it is the LOVE of money. Love of money, at the expense of love of your brothers & sisters, et. al. that really tells you a whole lot about that person!
Watching from humid Virginia. Very happy to see a new video from you, sir. Excellent research and analysis. I appreciate all of the details you provide about cultural morals and mores while reviewing the cases. It helps me to place the case in context, and to better understand the mindset of the victims, the murderers, and the courts.
I am so happy to see you have gained more subscribers you deserve it 👏 I like that you chat a while in the beginning your voice is very calming. I was born very close to Islington in Hornsey very near the police station, I know Islington well, it is fascinating to know that such a horrific crime happened so close to home. Maybe she was a miserable so and so, but she did not deserve to be murdered and the arrogance of the man is infuriating. Margaret did well my goodness what a lucky lady. I shall share this with my family. Thank you so much Mark keep up the good work👍
Thank you for your kind comment, Patricia. Islington is a part of London I am not familiar with, but I intend to visit it as soon as this wretched coronavirus thing ends... Doing some research at the British Library last August I arrived early and so walked a little way along the Euston Road - and I was quite astonished to come across the Rising Sun (the pub which figured prominently in the first of my videos - Robert Wood). I was quite thrilled to have come across it (now called The Rocket) and went inside and wandered about a little, imagining the chief protagonists in that murder milling about...
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder Thank you so much for taking the time to reply, i shall keep this one short🙂 just looking forward to your next video, stay safe Mark ❤
I think even the 14 year old daughter knew what was going on. She too was a part of this murder and I do not believe she was ignorant of what her parents were about. She seemed comfortable taking the lead in covering for her parents.
Liked the remark by the Judge about Masons. They do help others and each other but Not criminals. Wonder what happen to the Children? All of them? People didn't waste time getting Re married, especially when they had children. Both Husband and wife were guilty.
@Peggy SmulliganMy understanding is that the name "flat" came about because the living unit was all on one floor - no upstairs/downstairs. Typically a large house divided into separate living units - each on a single floor. In UK the name "apartment" is used for upscale, more luxurious units - large spacious top end units.
Another brilliant video from the best true crime creator on UA-cam! I recently listened to a play on Radio 4, available on UA-cam, which posited that it was Margaret ‘wot dun ‘er in’ and her husband was entirely innocent. Thanks again, Mark for keeping us all entertained and informed. Kind regards from Liverpool 🌟
Yes, fascinating, Margaret - I have difficulty with the husband's complete innocence (although it is not impossible) but I have no doubt whatever that Margaret played a major role in the murder.
I'm glad at least one of them received their due. But was he/his family made to repay all they had stolen? Those two children to be robbed of their rightful inheritance while his family goes on with their lives by means of the spoils of his actions, seems to be almost as cruel as the murder. Almost.
Mr Maguire, you are just wonderful. So much attention to detail, and your captivating voice just gives an extra ambience to the story. Thank you very much and hope to see the other videos, no doubt that they are as good as this one.
Ive read most" Famous British Trials" of early 1900s. So wonderfully written, with a detailed introduction & the actual court proceedings. This video relives those times. Excellent work 👏👏👏👏👏
I think that Margaret Seddon got off in part because of what I refer to as "the Lizzie Borden effect". Borden was found not guilty by an all male jury due to the belief that a woman was not capable of murdering her parents. This is, as usual, a great story. Well narrated, documented and the photos were wonderful.
That is an astute point, and I agree with you. There was a tendency to see women as very much subordinate to the man at that time, and even if the woman was strongly believed to have committed the murder, her guilt was lessened by her acting "under the authority" of the man.
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder Exactly. Think of murderer and victim here. Murderer plays all the submissive little woman crap, victim is described as 'difficult' I suspect because she didn't and the murderer appears to have eliciited more sympathy than her victim! Crazy
I have a thing about telling the whole story. What happened to this, what happened to that after the major case. You, Sir, complete this story perfectly. Well Done.
Oh the good old days when justice was swift and uncompromising. Such arrogance warranted its own reward. Too bad his wife escaped true justice but hopefully she was haunted every evening before sleep by a dark shadow. It isn't stated that any money was recovered but I certainly hope there was because those vile Seddons deserved to be reduced to penury for their evil deeds.
Another fabulous case, narrated with that silky smooth voice.😊 I kept falling asleep while listening.... in a good way, because of the relaxing sound of the narrators voice! Narrating soothing bedtime stories would be a great job for the narrator. 😴😊Much love from Scotland. 😘
I LOVE these videos! I was waiting eagerly for a new one! I want more!!! Also, the narrator should record audio books. His voice is very soothing in a natural unforced way.
Thank you - so glad you like them. They take a great deal of time to do, and, to tell the truth, I am somewhat ignorant of technology, so everything takes much longer - and often has to be done twice!
The empty will for the children very sneaky. The Seddon's were both in on the murder, I feel. Also, the murdered Ms. Barrow took on two children which showed a goodness in her. Very enjoyable 🧚♂️🇮🇪☘
You read and write so very beautifully. Thank you for sharing your considerable gifts with us, as well as these quaintly horrific, fascinating tales. Photographs are fantastic too
Excellent stories and narration. Your voice is almost too soothing- it puts me to sleep at night, and I have to play video again to find out the outcome! Well done sir!
This is the first video I've watched/listened to. It was, dare I say, entertaining? I'm now off to listen to some more. I love the voice of the narrator, so soothing.
Still one of my favorite channels, it seems like there’s no end to the fascinating stories to be told about this era of history. It’s unbelievable how many people got away with murder back then, and these are just the ones that we know of. How many other deaths were attributed to natural causes and were never even suspected of being murders? It’s a chilling thought for sure.
Thank you for your insights into this perennially interesting case. I used to occasionally pass 63 Tollington Park when driving to work with my father many years ago and it always looked rather intimidating!! Obviously you could not include many of the incidental details such as the Hooks quickly being given their notice to quit or Seddon complaining about being given the wrong change (6d) at the Music Hall. The house was heavily populated with bedrooms subdivided to accommodate all Seddon's family and Mary Chator the servant so you wonder which of them really knew just what was going on. There is also the intriguing detail of Seddon and his wife running a second-hand clothes shop in Seven Sisters Road, the books for which were destroyed by Seddon in a rage after he discovered (or suspected) that Margaret Seddon was having an affair as was briefly mentioned during evidence in the trial. Was the affair with Cameron who Mrs Seddon married so quickly after Seddon's execution? Thanks for the details of what happened to the family subsequently - I assume Maggie and William Seddon remained in the UK since they did not emigrate to the USA. I wonder what happened to them.
Many thanks - yes, there are many details I omitted, which you allude to. I didn't know about the sub-divisions of the house, which is interesting. I recall the bit about Seddon making a fuss over 6d at the Music Hall - it seems typical of his extremely grasping character! If Margaret was having an affair, it doesn't seem likely that it was with Cameron, as he appears to have been in Liverpool at this time, (he was a carpenter) and my assumption has been that she met him after the trial on her return to Liverpool. Maggie is the only one who stayed behind when the family went to the US, as far as I can tell - she married the following year and then disappears a few years later. I have a feeling her husband died. I have no idea what became of her...
I am so delighted to have another episode in this series to watch! I am a particular fan of every episode in this whole series and I do hope many more will follow. It is so rare that a full and proper examination of the words and actions that were said and done at the time is presented. I watch enthralled and in awe at the extent of dedicated work that must be involved in bringing such in depth insight into the complex workings of each case. You are truly gifted sir. Please, please continue with further and similar cases.
Many thanks indeed, Heather - I am somewhat astonished that my efforts have been appreciated, and very pleased indeed! I truly thought they would appeal to a very few afficionados of the genre - possibly only friends. It is gratifying indeed to find that there are like-minded people out there!
In the early 90s I lived in London and on weekend I used to take my bike out all ove rthe city looking for historic murder houses (i was that kind of youth). 63 Tollington Park is one that is not only still standing but looks pretty much as it did at the time, indeed the whole street does (many don't, Crippen's house is long gone and Rillington Place doesn't even exist as a street any more). The pub in Camden Town that Miss Barrow owned is still there too.
Yes indeed - I share your interest in such matters. The Rising Sun in Euston Road is still very much as it was at the time of the Robert Wood murder (the first in this series) and the house where that murder took place is much the same also - although the street name has changed over the years. The pub in Tottenham Court Road which Miss Barrow's father ran is also still there.
The house looks a lot like Crippens. I too like to go off and look at those places. I'm from West london but North London has some interesting murders.
@@patsyb63 yes I hadn't really thought about it but you're right. It was a common style no doubt. Even though Crippens no longer stands there are houses either side in Hilldrop Crescent which give you the feel of the original.
Ridiculous attitude towards women in those times, it is what placed that poor woman in the clutches of the Seddons in the first place and then allowed Mrs Sedden to get away with murder
I truly enjoyed this video and the series as well. The narrators voice is pleasant and imparts the scene he’s describing perfectly. History is literally littered with people who commit this particular type of crime, where someone covets what another has so much that after they’ve picked clean the finances of their victims, they murder them, lest they be publicly outed as the frauds, embezzlers, and thieves that they are.
This channel is that rare & precious Blue Carbuncle which awaits a thrilling & enriching discovery hidden as it is in the 'disjecta membra' of the plump & cornfed-fattened goose that is UA-cam. One is lucky indeed to discover it.
I'm listening to all your stories a second time while waiting for a new installment to the BEST storytelling channel on UA-cam. Hope you're feeling well, Mr Maguire, and our wait is simply a question of your time spent researching your next story. This story has some due justice in it when Mr Seddon's Freemason ace-in-the-hole didn't at all pay off like he'd bargained. Karma is a harsh balancer of all acts, eh?
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder Busy can be good if it brings a sense of purpose, right? Glad you’re feeling well! If your fan base is at all like me, we’re willing to wait because we know it’s going to be good. :)
For all his guilt and arrogance, he could have, in the end, turned on his wife, but chose to take his punishment and stay silent. She showed her gratitude by publicly traducing him after his death, merely to make more money for herself. Dreadful pair.
@26:25, Good grief, what sort of steroid pumped flies did they have back then? *each* flypaper had enough arsenic to kill an adult human? What I wonder about those times, was how many completely undetected, unsuspected, poisonings there were. I also wonder why nobody ever raised a defence of adsorption of arsenic from one’s surrounds. The wallpaper, for instance in that attractive green shade. It was known that such things contained arsenic. After all, William Morris, who specialised in “nature patterns” owned one of, if not the, biggest arsenic mine in England. I’m quite surprised Marshall Hall never submitted a defence on these grounds. It’s of a kind with ladies soaking the fly papers to get arsenic for their complexions.
I’ve just discovered this channel and I’m already hooked. How lucky am I ? I get to watch the past episodes to catch up with all the other subs, starting… NOW
I was so hoping more videos would come out!! Thank you for your hard work!! I never comment on UA-cam, but I just love this channel, having just discovered it
I just discovered you too. Your presentation, voice and visuals are excellent. Your use of narration and dialogue. are unique. Thank you! I am sad for her two little charges. What happened to them? Margaret's last home in Connecticut looks so unassuming. I hope her offspring lived happily and respectably.
What a dumb jury. The victim's relatives should have sued Margaret for wrongful death. It makes me mad to know that Margaret got away because of her gender.
Fredrick who believed he was the smartest man in the room proved he was far from it. Too treat people's inquiries about the death of his boarder with a haute manner is asking for trouble People may walk away yet their need for answers does not go by the wayside
May I congratulate you on the incredible work you do on these videos that keep me up sometimes until the early hours. They have high integrity, intellect always thrilling and there is always the unexpected towards the end. They are all good enough for BBC radio or Television to broadcast. I have one question and that is with your introductions you appear to speak with no script or notes yet you perfectly relate what you have to say. Are you working from memory with your introductions or do you know enough in order to ad-lib. Finally, with your expert knowledge of law and research you would make an ideal barrister. Also your word power is second to none. I must concede on occasion I have to reach for the dictionary. Seasons greetings. Peter Starr North London
That is a wonderful comment to receive, Peter and I am flattered to read it! I usually know what I am going to say - but may have to do several takes in order to get it right! If you take a look at my Mark John Maguire youtube channel, you will see one which I got completely wrong, for an unexpected reason! There have been others of various kinds - including the doorbell interrupting me!
Amazing content and presentation. Thank you. Im working my way through all of your videos. I dont know how old your channel is, but 24k is woefully under-subbed for the quality you're creating. I have no doubt it is going to keep growing and growing at a regular pace. Thanks again!
Sir Bernard Spilsbury was a pathologist, brilliant before his time.! I really enjoy your narrative , it matches perfectly and compliments the storytelling of crime occuring years gone by... Great work....🖤
I agree - Spilsbury went out of favour in the 1930s and received a great deal of criticism for the confidence he had in his own methods and judgement (some said over-confidence), but he was a remarkable man, who did more for forensic science and its use in courts (over mere circumstantial evidence) than anyone else. He carried out 400-500 autopsies each year for nearly 40 years. It must have been a grim occupation - and he committed suicide in his own lab just before Christmas in 1947. An irony that must surely not have escaped him at the time, that he ended up on a coroner's slab himself.
Fascinating,well done crime story. I wonder if Mr.Seddon's nasty smirk left his face when he heard the trap door open! I have found my new favourite channel. Hans
It is possible that Miss Barrow and Mrs Grant had an affectionate relationship, and that was the reason Miss Barrow adopted her friend’s children. Women ‘of independent means’ who never married in an era when that cast derision and suspicion on them might have developed a thick skin and brusque manner in defense. Yet consider how quickly the Seddons won over Eliza simply by pretending to be kind. Eliza might indeed have been ‘difficult,’ but that label might have been placed on any middle-aged woman who lived independently in that time. How ironic that her actual murderer - the one who likely put the poison to her lips - was acquitted by a jury of men because she appeared on the witness stand to be meek, soft-spoken, tearful, and because she was a mother.
Yes, Theresa - thanks for your comment. It is certainly a point very much in Miss Barrow's favour that she cared for Ernie, and also took some responsibility for Mrs Grant's daughter, Hilda.
Thank you Mark . What a wicked pair. Miss Burrow , may not have been personality plus, but she wasn't stupid. If she discovered her money was missing , she would not be timid or quite. Yes both were guilty. As always such a interesting case. I absolutely love your Channel. Cheers. Take care everyone
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Just tried to do so Mark..... Unfortunately the cobwebs in my brain cells refused to allow me access to my PIN and I got locked out! (I have not bought anything with this card on-line.....so never used the PIN....Sorry!)
My intentions were good!...I'll get back to you!
Frederick Seddon was my great great uncle .my great grandmother his sister visited him days before he was hung and swore it was his wife who poisoned Eliza .researched lots on uncle Freddie over the last 30 years .they were both guilty and she got away with murder .great to see photos of my great great grandfather near the end of the documentary
Kool! Do you look like him?
She has to face Jesus.
I wouldn’t be boasting about being connected to that hideous couple!
@@annwilliams6438 did she boast? I fail to see boastfulness in her post. She only stated facts. History. It's what it is, in stark reality. It has nothing to do with her. There's nothing to hide away from...
Appreciate your candour. There's absolutely nothing to be embarrassed about. It's history. God bless you...
This series is better than any TV show. Please continue making videos!
Story telling at its finest. No irritating or redundant backing or soundtracks.
Beautifully annunciated and wonderfully in depth researching.
This channel will surely grow and grow.
How strange that (for myself at least) so many of these odious people were still lingering about when I was a lad.
Thank you very much, Alan!
Greedy, cold-hearted, calculating blackguards the both of them! Poor miss Barrow.
People haven’t changed much have they? Technology has definitely changed, yes, but there have always been evil people who walk around us, and will always be. People who spend more time trying to defraud some poor schmuck, rather than get a job.
I hope these continue. I can't get enough. The narrator has to be the best I've heard since Peter Thomas who narrated forensic files and other series. Love all these old stories of murder and mayhem.
Fancy involving their 15 year old daughter by sending her to get fly papers.
At the moment, my arm is in a cast and causing a good bit of pain. I just want you to know that your voice and stories are doing better than the pain pill in taking my mind off the pain. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH!!!!
I have watched each of your videos and thoroughly enjoyed them!
Again, THANK YOU ‼️‼️‼️😊😊😊😊😊😊
Sorry to hear of your injury. I hope you are, at least pain free very soon.
Many such cases
I absolutely love this channel! They are so respectfully told! Listening to you voice is nice as well!!! I love the introduction so much! Don’t ever change it!
Thanks very much, Kristie - I won't!
Lovely to hear a writer/narrator with a love and knowledge of the English language.
There's plenty of quality UA-camrs.
I'm having to look up some of the words.....
@@kcbh24 Correct, dialects and different languages are interesting too Xxx
Slower speech is better for me, this is why I listen to Horror Babble, Brief Case and The Crime Reel as well.
Good wishes out there.
Thank you, Bia.
Perfect to watch on a steamy London evening. Many thanks for the post Mark. Looking forward to hearing the whole story. 🥂
Thank you, Kelly - I hope you like it!
@Shirley Bailey Southern sweet tea no doubt. A lovely treat in the heat. Not here though. If one were to put ice into tea, it would make the news. 😂 Keep cool and enjoy Shirley.
Watching from a hot day in Texas
I'm just hoping their children were able to be productive members of society. I also wonder to what extent does the one daughter who bought Fly paper and answered the door knew what was going on .
It has always seemed to me that Maggie (the eldest daughter) must have known what was going on, yes.
I’m with you Sir. The wife got away with murder. Terrible people
No better way to put a damper on summer than a diarrhea epidemic.
@@TheXmeimei Well said, his attorney should have done a better job of giving him a reality check on how he would come off.
Probably my favorite video essay by Mr. Mark. I have studied and researched this case for so long, and Mark has captured all of the main points and facts, and the in depth psychological hypothetical conclusions he offers are spot on. Thanks again for being one of my top 5 all time YT channels. And I love your artwork as well. Long live the King! 💪
Thank you very much indeed - it is one of my favourites also! I am told the Seddon family ( including the remaining surviving grandson) spread across the US watched this...
This channel is amazing, its like what a bedtime story for adults should be. i'm addicted, great voice too on the narration, many thanks
Thank you very much!
Excellently written and fluently narrated. A charming confident voice
Thanks again!
Yes. He's absolutely terrific.
I went to Primary school on Tollington Park ‘Christ The King’ and lived just around the corner through my childhood.
Knew about this story as part of our local history.
I discovered this channel today and have been binge watching. I think this was my 6th video!
Me too! Binge listening while doing pre Thanksgiving stuff.
Same here, lol
Ditto. This channel caused me to lose a lot of sleep.
Welcome to the club. ;)
me too! I simply love this channel 😊
New subscriber here. Fantastic voice for storytelling. And actual pictures of the real people and places just makes this perfect! Thank you!'
Thank you very much, Teresa!
1911 druggist: “Oh, you have flies? Try this little packet of papers. It contains enough arsenic to kill six people. That should do the job! That’ll be sixpence, please.”
pack it in a uranium green glass jar, please!
Another brilliant video, thank you Mark! I recently listened to a play on Radio 4 which posited that Margaret Seddon was the guilty party and her husband entirely innocent. As I was listening, I was thinking ‘I wonder what Mark would make of this?’! Thanks again 🤗
Thank you, Jo - I know there was a play written which attributed the entire matter to Margaret, although I have not seen or heard it. I will keep an eye open for it!
Aye, morphine prescribed for diarrhea. Those were the days.
@Moth’s Mummy you can still by J Collis Browne's Mixture today , a victorian remedy containing anhydrous morphine and peppermint oil.
This channel richly deserves so many more subscribers and views. The script and narration are so well done. Thanks for sharing your talents with us!
Wow, thank you! You are very kind, Tom!
Oh my Mrs. Seden ... what a clever way to get rid of your husband without the societal stain of divorce ..
The way the Siddons undertook the murder of poor Ms Barrow makes me wonder if anyone else had suffered the same fate at their hands in the past. The murder had so much meticulous detail tying it up over some considerable time, some poor soul must have fallen in a first rehearsal.
Mrs Seddon being let off by the judge may well have been a bow to the Freemason code. Excellent video of this chilling tale.
That was one of my first thoughts also.
@@kouldbanyone4983 She was in agony for 14 days - it looks like a first attempt to me, messy and amateurish. That said, it's such a terrible thing to have done and the Seddons works so well together, it does make one believe that if they hadn't been caught, there would have been others (if not already a few skeletons in the closet?)
Another excellent video. Incidentally, Seddon's execution perhaps didn't get as much attention in the papers as such an event normally would have, because it happened the week the Titanic sank.
Interesting, thanks for that information
It is staggering to me that Margaret Seddon was acquitted
Not all juries are able to understand the testimony and read between the lines.
My compliments, sir. You've created a super channel. You relate these stories so well and I love you're sense of detail, digging up pictures and contemporary accounts. Excellent films. Excellent history. Chin chin.
"The love of money is the root of all evil." "Those determined to become rich will not remain innocent." Holy Bible
Correctly quoted A.K.! Many say "money is the root..." But it is the LOVE of money. Love of money, at the expense of love of your brothers & sisters, et. al. that really tells you a whole lot about that person!
Watching from humid Virginia. Very happy to see a new video from you, sir. Excellent research and analysis. I appreciate all of the details you provide about cultural morals and mores while reviewing the cases. It helps me to place the case in context, and to better understand the mindset of the victims, the murderers, and the courts.
I am so happy to see you have gained more subscribers you deserve it 👏 I like that you chat a while in the beginning your voice is very calming. I was born very close to Islington in Hornsey very near the police station, I know Islington well, it is fascinating to know that such a horrific crime happened so close to home. Maybe she was a miserable so and so, but she did not deserve to be murdered and the arrogance of the man is infuriating. Margaret did well my goodness what a lucky lady. I shall share this with my family. Thank you so much Mark keep up the good work👍
Thank you for your kind comment, Patricia. Islington is a part of London I am not familiar with, but I intend to visit it as soon as this wretched coronavirus thing ends... Doing some research at the British Library last August I arrived early and so walked a little way along the Euston Road - and I was quite astonished to come across the Rising Sun (the pub which figured prominently in the first of my videos - Robert Wood). I was quite thrilled to have come across it (now called The Rocket) and went inside and wandered about a little, imagining the chief protagonists in that murder milling about...
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder Thank you so much for taking the time to reply, i shall keep this one short🙂 just looking forward to your next video, stay safe Mark ❤
What happened with the missing wealth?…and what happened to the Seddon children?
Every bit as good the second or third time one listens as it was the first
Very many thanks indeed, Marc!
It's a hard sell to most people to say 'one of the best part of my days was a new video about getting away with murder' but it is so so true :)
Oh what a charming thing to say! Thank you!
The one I feel really really sorry for is Ernie Grant. 😥
All your work is compellingly good John. Totally absorbing. Beautifully researched and presented. Thanks very much
You are very welcome - thank you!
I think even the 14 year old daughter knew what was going on. She too was a part of this murder and I do not believe she was ignorant of what her parents were about. She seemed comfortable taking the lead in covering for her parents.
Vituperative/vituperate is now my new favourite word. I love your vocabulary and style of delivery.
Mark, this is superbly narrated. Surely it ranks as amongst your best. Thank you.
Seddon was so sharp that he ended up cutting himself.
Liked the remark by the Judge about Masons. They do help others and each other but Not criminals.
Wonder what happen to the Children? All of them?
People didn't waste time getting Re married, especially when they had children.
Both Husband and wife were guilty.
I listen to these real life murders when I’m doing chores around my flat...
I think I am addicted to these stories 😂
Thank u! 👏🏾
Thank you, I am delighted you enjoy them!
@Peggy SmulliganMy understanding is that the name "flat" came about because the living unit was all on one floor - no upstairs/downstairs. Typically a large house divided into separate living units - each on a single floor. In UK the name "apartment" is used for upscale, more luxurious units - large spacious top end units.
Another truly amazing piece of reality. Brilliantly delivered. I'll never again drive down Tollington Park without a thought of the evil Seddon's
Thank you very much! The house (as I am sure you know) looks almost unchanged after 108 years...
The narrator has an awesome voice
YOU Sir, are the world's best storyteller! Thank you!
Another brilliant video from the best true crime creator on UA-cam! I recently listened to a play on Radio 4, available on UA-cam, which posited that it was Margaret ‘wot dun ‘er in’ and her husband was entirely innocent. Thanks again, Mark for keeping us all entertained and informed. Kind regards from Liverpool 🌟
Yes, fascinating, Margaret - I have difficulty with the husband's complete innocence (although it is not impossible) but I have no doubt whatever that Margaret played a major role in the murder.
I'm glad at least one of them received their due. But was he/his family made to repay all they had stolen? Those two children to be robbed of their rightful inheritance while his family goes on with their lives by means of the spoils of his actions, seems to be almost as cruel as the murder. Almost.
Mr Maguire, you are just wonderful. So much attention to detail, and your captivating voice just gives an extra ambience to the story. Thank you very much and hope to see the other videos, no doubt that they are as good as this one.
Ive read most" Famous British Trials" of early 1900s.
So wonderfully written, with a detailed introduction & the actual court proceedings.
This video relives those times.
Excellent work 👏👏👏👏👏
Many thanks!
I think that Margaret Seddon got off in part because of what I refer to as "the Lizzie Borden effect".
Borden was found not guilty by an all male jury due to the belief that a woman was not capable of murdering her parents.
This is, as usual, a great story. Well narrated, documented and the photos were wonderful.
That is an astute point, and I agree with you. There was a tendency to see women as very much subordinate to the man at that time, and even if the woman was strongly believed to have committed the murder, her guilt was lessened by her acting "under the authority" of the man.
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder Exactly. Think of murderer and victim here. Murderer plays all the submissive little woman crap, victim is described as 'difficult' I suspect because she didn't and the murderer appears to have eliciited more sympathy than her victim! Crazy
I have a thing about telling the whole story. What happened to this, what happened to that after the major case. You, Sir, complete this story perfectly. Well Done.
Many thanks indeed - much appreciated!
Oh the good old days when justice was swift and uncompromising. Such arrogance warranted its own reward. Too bad his wife escaped true justice but hopefully she was haunted every evening before sleep by a dark shadow. It isn't stated that any money was recovered but I certainly hope there was because those vile Seddons deserved to be reduced to penury for their evil deeds.
Doubt the dreadful woman had a conscience, considering she could poison and watch somebody die in such pain in a few days from arsenic poisoning.
Another fabulous case, narrated with that silky smooth voice.😊 I kept falling asleep while listening.... in a good way, because of the relaxing sound of the narrators voice! Narrating soothing bedtime stories would be a great job for the narrator. 😴😊Much love from Scotland. 😘
Thank you, Annie - I shall have to throw in the odd mispronounced Scottish word to keep you awake!
They Got Away With Murder Haha! Yes, indeed! But I was falling asleep for good reasons not bad. Your voice is very relaxing. 😊
I LOVE these videos! I was waiting eagerly for a new one! I want more!!! Also, the narrator should record audio books. His voice is very soothing in a natural unforced way.
Thank you - so glad you like them. They take a great deal of time to do, and, to tell the truth, I am somewhat ignorant of technology, so everything takes much longer - and often has to be done twice!
I've to admit d have to agree. I listen to audio books to help me relax for sleep, if I don't like their voice I give it up and check out another one.
The empty will for the children very sneaky. The Seddon's were both in on the murder, I feel. Also, the murdered Ms. Barrow took on two children which showed a goodness in her. Very enjoyable 🧚♂️🇮🇪☘
You read and write so very beautifully. Thank you for sharing your considerable gifts with us, as well as these quaintly horrific, fascinating tales. Photographs are fantastic too
You are so welcome and thank you, Alyx.
Excellent stories and narration. Your voice is almost too soothing- it puts me to sleep at night, and I have to play video again to find out the outcome! Well done sir!
Thank you - yes, I have had others say this!
Fantastic story, beautifully told. Many thanks Mr. Maguire, and thank you also for keeping these tales commercial free and so enjoyable to listen to.
Glad you enjoyed it, Mary!
This is the first video I've watched/listened to. It was, dare I say, entertaining? I'm now off to listen to some more. I love the voice of the narrator, so soothing.
Thank you!
Still one of my favorite channels, it seems like there’s no end to the fascinating stories to be told about this era of history. It’s unbelievable how many people got away with murder back then, and these are just the ones that we know of. How many other deaths were attributed to natural causes and were never even suspected of being murders? It’s a chilling thought for sure.
Thank you for your insights into this perennially interesting case. I used to occasionally pass 63 Tollington Park when driving to work with my father many years ago and it always looked rather intimidating!!
Obviously you could not include many of the incidental details such as the Hooks quickly being given their notice to quit or Seddon complaining about being given the wrong change (6d) at the Music Hall.
The house was heavily populated with bedrooms subdivided to accommodate all Seddon's family and Mary Chator the servant so you wonder which of them really knew just what was going on.
There is also the intriguing detail of Seddon and his wife running a second-hand clothes shop in Seven Sisters Road, the books for which were destroyed by Seddon in a rage after he discovered (or suspected) that Margaret Seddon was having an affair as was briefly mentioned during evidence in the trial. Was the affair with Cameron who Mrs Seddon married so quickly after Seddon's execution?
Thanks for the details of what happened to the family subsequently - I assume Maggie and William Seddon remained in the UK since they did not emigrate to the USA. I wonder what happened to them.
Many thanks - yes, there are many details I omitted, which you allude to. I didn't know about the sub-divisions of the house, which is interesting. I recall the bit about Seddon making a fuss over 6d at the Music Hall - it seems typical of his extremely grasping character! If Margaret was having an affair, it doesn't seem likely that it was with Cameron, as he appears to have been in Liverpool at this time, (he was a carpenter) and my assumption has been that she met him after the trial on her return to Liverpool. Maggie is the only one who stayed behind when the family went to the US, as far as I can tell - she married the following year and then disappears a few years later. I have a feeling her husband died. I have no idea what became of her...
I am so delighted to have another episode in this series to watch! I am a particular fan of every episode in this whole series and I do hope many more will follow. It is so rare that a full and proper examination of the words and actions that were said and done at the time is presented. I watch enthralled and in awe at the extent of dedicated work that must be involved in bringing such in depth insight into the complex workings of each case. You are truly gifted sir. Please, please continue with further and similar cases.
I agree.. This is the standard all should aim for...
Many thanks indeed, Heather - I am somewhat astonished that my efforts have been appreciated, and very pleased indeed! I truly thought they would appeal to a very few afficionados of the genre - possibly only friends. It is gratifying indeed to find that there are like-minded people out there!
In the early 90s I lived in London and on weekend I used to take my bike out all ove rthe city looking for historic murder houses (i was that kind of youth). 63 Tollington Park is one that is not only still standing but looks pretty much as it did at the time, indeed the whole street does (many don't, Crippen's house is long gone and Rillington Place doesn't even exist as a street any more). The pub in Camden Town that Miss Barrow owned is still there too.
Yes indeed - I share your interest in such matters. The Rising Sun in Euston Road is still very much as it was at the time of the Robert Wood murder (the first in this series) and the house where that murder took place is much the same also - although the street name has changed over the years. The pub in Tottenham Court Road which Miss Barrow's father ran is also still there.
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder Great series btw keep them coming
The house looks a lot like Crippens. I too like to go off and look at those places. I'm from West london but North London has some interesting murders.
@@patsyb63 yes I hadn't really thought about it but you're right. It was a common style no doubt. Even though Crippens no longer stands there are houses either side in Hilldrop Crescent which give you the feel of the original.
Love the research and narration. Excellent storytelling.
Glad you enjoyed it - thank you!
Ridiculous attitude towards women in those times, it is what placed that poor woman in the clutches of the Seddons in the first place and then allowed Mrs Sedden to get away with murder
I truly enjoyed this video and the series as well. The narrators voice is pleasant and imparts the scene he’s describing perfectly.
History is literally littered with people who commit this particular type of crime, where someone covets what another has so much that after they’ve picked clean the finances of their victims, they murder them, lest they be publicly outed as the frauds, embezzlers, and thieves that they are.
Yeeahhh...the wife totally got away with murder and grand theft!
This channel is that rare & precious Blue Carbuncle which awaits a thrilling & enriching discovery hidden as it is in the 'disjecta membra' of the plump & cornfed-fattened goose that is UA-cam. One is lucky indeed to discover it.
Your videos are so interesting and well done. MAKES MY DAY EVERY TIME. Thank you and keep making these please .
Glad you like them! Thank you, Charlotte
I'm listening to all your stories a second time while waiting for a new installment to the BEST storytelling channel on UA-cam. Hope you're feeling well, Mr Maguire, and our wait is simply a question of your time spent researching your next story. This story has some due justice in it when Mr Seddon's Freemason ace-in-the-hole didn't at all pay off like he'd bargained. Karma is a harsh balancer of all acts, eh?
Many thanks, Glenn - all is well. I have been too busy to attend to any of these but have forced myself back to it now! Hope you are well too.
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder Busy can be good if it brings a sense of purpose, right? Glad you’re feeling well! If your fan base is at all like me, we’re willing to wait because we know it’s going to be good. :)
You had like 7kish a week ago and now you are almost at 10k. That's exciting. :)
For all his guilt and arrogance, he could have, in the end, turned on his wife, but chose to take his punishment and stay silent. She showed her gratitude by publicly traducing him after his death, merely to make more money for herself.
Dreadful pair.
Thanks again Mark. Did the Grant children get the pub and the barbers back in the end? I really hope so!
I love this channel. So fascinating and so much detailed research. Thank you.
So nice of you, Sally - thanks.
@26:25, Good grief, what sort of steroid pumped flies did they have back then? *each* flypaper had enough arsenic to kill an adult human?
What I wonder about those times, was how many completely undetected, unsuspected, poisonings there were. I also wonder why nobody ever raised a defence of adsorption of arsenic from one’s surrounds. The wallpaper, for instance in that attractive green shade. It was known that such things contained arsenic. After all, William Morris, who specialised in “nature patterns” owned one of, if not the, biggest arsenic mine in England. I’m quite surprised Marshall Hall never submitted a defence on these grounds. It’s of a kind with ladies soaking the fly papers to get arsenic for their complexions.
Your narrating voice and pace is spot on, your research excellent and your storytelling spellbinding.
So true
Many thanks, Doug!
Agree.
I’ve just discovered this channel and I’m already hooked. How lucky am I ? I get to watch the past episodes to catch up with all the other subs, starting… NOW
Thank you so much!
Fabulous, well done. Enjoy these so much! I could listen to your voice recite a laundry list. 😉🙂
Hahaha - well that would be a lot easier, I'm sure! Many thanks, Norma.
I was so hoping more videos would come out!! Thank you for your hard work!! I never comment on UA-cam, but I just love this channel, having just discovered it
I just discovered you too. Your presentation, voice and visuals are excellent. Your use of narration and dialogue. are unique. Thank you! I am sad for her two little charges. What happened to them? Margaret's last home in Connecticut looks so unassuming. I hope her offspring lived happily and respectably.
Ty also love the drawings, very calming voice for my anxiety, just love these casesx
What a dumb jury. The victim's relatives should have sued Margaret for wrongful death. It makes me mad to know that Margaret got away because of her gender.
You have an eerie narrating style that goes well with the subject material and your narratives are well researched and written. Bravo :)
Thank you, Michael - much appreciated!
Beautifully written, beautifully spoken, absolutely fascinating from beginning to end.
I agree that Mrs Sutton was Just As Guilty !! Too bad that she got away with it !
Fredrick who believed he was the smartest man in the room proved he was far from it. Too treat people's inquiries about the death of his boarder with a haute manner is asking for trouble
People may walk away yet their need for answers does not go by the wayside
May I congratulate you on the incredible work you do on these videos that keep me up sometimes until the early hours. They have high integrity, intellect always thrilling and there is always the unexpected towards the end. They are all good enough for BBC radio or Television to broadcast. I have one question and that is with your introductions you appear to speak with no script or notes yet you perfectly relate what you have to say. Are you working from memory with your introductions or do you know enough in order to ad-lib. Finally, with your expert knowledge of law and research you would make an ideal barrister. Also your word power is second to none. I must concede on occasion I have to reach for the dictionary. Seasons greetings.
Peter Starr
North London
That is a wonderful comment to receive, Peter and I am flattered to read it! I usually know what I am going to say - but may have to do several takes in order to get it right! If you take a look at my Mark John Maguire youtube channel, you will see one which I got completely wrong, for an unexpected reason! There have been others of various kinds - including the doorbell interrupting me!
Amazing content and presentation. Thank you. Im working my way through all of your videos. I dont know how old your channel is, but 24k is woefully under-subbed for the quality you're creating. I have no doubt it is going to keep growing and growing at a regular pace. Thanks again!
A wife knows what her husband is usually up to.
Yeah, and he usually think she doesn't.
Sir Bernard Spilsbury was a pathologist, brilliant before his time.! I really enjoy your narrative , it matches perfectly and compliments the storytelling of crime occuring years gone by... Great work....🖤
I agree - Spilsbury went out of favour in the 1930s and received a great deal of criticism for the confidence he had in his own methods and judgement (some said over-confidence), but he was a remarkable man, who did more for forensic science and its use in courts (over mere circumstantial evidence) than anyone else. He carried out 400-500 autopsies each year for nearly 40 years. It must have been a grim occupation - and he committed suicide in his own lab just before Christmas in 1947. An irony that must surely not have escaped him at the time, that he ended up on a coroner's slab himself.
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder It was a shame he took his life... I agree, he shaped forensic sience for the future. He was a genius born before his time.
@@donna4976 I agree.
oh god youre voice is PERFECT FOR AUDIOBOOKS i could listen to you tell horrorstories as i fell asleep reminds me of horrorbabbles channel lol
Fascinating,well done crime story. I wonder if Mr.Seddon's nasty smirk left his face when he heard the trap door open! I have found my new favourite channel. Hans
I just found this channel and must say that I am very impressed!
"Buried for a knockdown price" - less commission. Now that is an expression I shall always remember.
Ok, I don’t smoke. I quit 6 years ago, but your intro really makes me want to light up 🚬🚬😂😂
Well done for quitting, Rudy - no, I would not advise taking it up. The man was shot for lighting up in ;public!! ;)
They Got Away With Murder I thought about the gunshot after I posted it. Hahaha
It is possible that Miss Barrow and Mrs Grant had an affectionate relationship, and that was the reason Miss Barrow adopted her friend’s children. Women ‘of independent means’ who never married in an era when that cast derision and suspicion on them might have developed a thick skin and brusque manner in defense. Yet consider how quickly the Seddons won over Eliza simply by pretending to be kind. Eliza might indeed have been ‘difficult,’ but that label might have been placed on any middle-aged woman who lived independently in that time. How ironic that her actual murderer - the one who likely put the poison to her lips - was acquitted by a jury of men because she appeared on the witness stand to be meek, soft-spoken, tearful, and because she was a mother.
Yes, Theresa - thanks for your comment. It is certainly a point very much in Miss Barrow's favour that she cared for Ernie, and also took some responsibility for Mrs Grant's daughter, Hilda.
Thank you Mark . What a wicked pair. Miss Burrow , may not have been personality plus, but she wasn't stupid. If she discovered her money was missing , she would not be timid or quite. Yes both were guilty.
As always such a interesting case.
I absolutely love your Channel. Cheers. Take care everyone
Thank you, Leanne. You take care too.
Yes, I doubt she would have kept quiet. They were heartless murderers.
Excellent channel. Content well-researched and written. Thank you for not dumbing everything down.
I've not had TV for 3 years because I have UA-cam 😍
I just don't have TV. Or electric. Just UA-cam.