Should Spain Apologize to Mexico? - Intermediate Spanish - News #8
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Maximiliano and Pablo discuss the latest new. President of Mexico asked the King of Spain to apologize for the colonization of the Americas.
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Sí, por favor grabas mas videos como este. Me gustan las noticas y la actualidad. Gracias por el video como siempre.
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Me gustaría oír la opinion de personas indigenas. Estos son los mas importantes porque ellos son las personas quien han sufrido mas por la colonizacíon de su país. De verdad, no importa las opiniones de personas no Mexicanas o no indigenas porque son ajenas de la situacíon. Es importante dibatirla, pero lo mas importante es que oímos la mentalidad de la gente mas afectada. Como tu amigo ha dicho, no ha hablado con personas indigenas, entonces es casi imposible entender la situacíon completa. No es culpado personalmente por esto, ni el gobierno actual de España. Aunque la colonizacíon sucedió hace mucho tiempo, todavía hay consecuencias directas hoy en día. Estoy de acuerdo que será un gesto simbólico, pero estos gestos casi siempre son los mas valiosos.
Los indígenas actuales no han vivido la "coloniazación", ya que han nacido 200 aós después. Los que han vivido son las consecuencias de los sucesivos gobiernos independientes, así que no tienen un conocimiento real de lo que pudo suponer o no la colonización. La idea de que el estado tercermundista de México es consecuencia directa de la "colonización" es absurdo. Pero si quieres saber la opinión de los indígenas que SÍ vivieron la colonización, abre un libro de historia, y verás que la enorme mayoría de los indígenas estaban radicalmente en contra de la independencia, y preguntaté porqué.
Usando esta logica, los que tendrian que pedir perdon son los actuales mexicanos a los indigenas mexicanos, no los españoles. Lee un poco de historia. Los indigenas en su mayoria lucharon por la corona, simplemente porque la corona les habia respetado sus tierras ancestrales y sus jerarquias, mientras que los "mexicanos" al pasar a un "todos somos iguales y mexicanos" se pasaron todos los derechos por el forro.. Por eso todavia hay litigios entre los indigenas y el gobierno mexicano con respecto a tierras y demas.. los indigenas siguen teniendo documentos de hace 300 años, de la corona de españa, que usan para argumentar sus derechos. El racismo existia en esos tiempos, pero no institucional. De hecho, en españa existe el titulo de marques de moctezuma (o como se escriba) y uno de los descendientes de dicho marques, se crio en españa e incluso llego a tener cargos publicos muy importantes durante el siglo 18. Ahora mismo no recuerdo el nombre pero no seria dificil de buscar si realmente tienes interes. Habeis sido victimas de vosotros mismos en toda hispanoamerica.
@@Trikipumy Goodaim shield. Yo no sabia eso gracias. buscare libros y videos de eso que dicen que Indigenas preferian la corona de Espana y no la independencia. Si me dijieron que los Yaquis no se querian meter en la independencia porque no era su pelea o algo asi
Very informative.
The vocabulary is too difficult for me now...
If you can understand other intermediate videos, but struggle with this one I'd say it's more because of grammar and tenses rather than vocabulary. Maximiliano also talks a bit faster, but I'd say the main issue most people have with this video is the use of words like "sería", "seamos", "estaría" and a lot of past tense verbs.
Do u know what questions ur going to ask beforehand or r u just really good at keeping conversations going?
This video was not prepared at all. I think every video in which there's a friend has been unscripted until now.
We had debated the topic already the previous week, so I remembered some of the topics that came up, so that helped.
I'm a jew and it's true that you can get spanish passport if your family
is related to spain,
i think someday i will get a spanish passport and i will live there for a little time.
Please do. I would like to see more Jewish people return and create a community there. I am neither Spanish nor Jewish, but I think the Spanish people would appreciate the return of the Jewish culture. I think they regret what they did in the 15th century.
oh no. the video seems interesting but they are talking in spanish. i'm glad i am portuguese and can understand almost everything
I know the feeling. I speak Spanish and also can understand pretty much , well a lot. Except of course, Asian dialects or German, things like that. My French is comme si comme sa.
I'm a Spaniard mexican descent so it really does not apply to me
@E- World If you say you are "Mexican" you are simply saying you are a Native of the Americas. Mexican derives from the Aztec tribe name Mexica.
max por que usas el symbolo de el diablo con tus manos ?
Maybe he likes heavy metal?
Interesting topic. I agree that it seems arbitrary to ask people to apologize for the mistakes of their ancestors, but I do think there's something that should be done on this topic. It's clear that the process of colonization benefits certain nations and harm others, and that disparity is still felt today. Someone born in a country like Spain immediately has a higher chance of better quality of living than someone born in a country like Mexico. Is it the fault of the Spanish baby? of course not. But that's not the point. Should the Mexican baby bear the harm caused by history? In my humble opinion, he/she should not, and that's why there's a moral obligation for countries like Spain to genuinely help
It's not their ancestors, Spaniards are still using death squads to murder indigenous people to this day.
@@phillipdaugherty1486 lmao, what are you smoking?. Funny enough, it is not the ancestors of the actual spanish the ones that did shit in mexico, it is the ancestors of mexicans, because the spanish that are today in spain are the descendants of the people who actually didnt go to America.. It is like if england apologized for the millions of indians that were massacrated in the USA by "americans" during century 19.. are you this clueless man?...
I've been to Spain and Mexico and better quality of living is Mexico by far.
Maximiliano tiene canal de UA-cam??
No.
La colonización pasó hace 500 años. Fue duro y triste, pero la gente de España ahora no tiene ninguna culpa. El pasado de todos países es triste y duro. Tenemos que mirar hacia el futuro. Es lo que pienso yo. Lo siento.
Cuanto oro y Plata se robaron de Mexico....soy Mexico/Americano de California Estados unidos y me da coraje de lo que Robo Espana.
¿Yucatan es colonia de México? ¿o Guerrero? ¿o Tlaxcala?
¿Cómo saber si un territorio es o no es colonia?
En el sentido tradicional, es facil. En el moderno de colonización, es más dificil. Pero ningún terrritorio de México es colonia mexicana, y ningún territorio español de aquella época (nueva españa, perú, etc) eran colonias españolas. Es muy complicado, pero no, no eran colonias. Es por eso que lo de "libertadores" suean estúpido, porque no liberaron nada, fue una guerra civil donde ellos ganaron e impusieron sus ideas. Y ya.
I'm Mexican, there should be no apology. The president is off his rocker. The only thing that lingers is the hate in the mirror that was left from the Spanish.
100% every country that did a genocide should apologize so we can all move forward and say "never again." Spain literally teaches that they did not genocide in the Americas in schools and that all they did was bring civilization and Christianity. They're off their fucking rockers teetering in fascism in Spain.
How is the title English and u speak Spanish??
Las disculpas tienen que salir de uno, no porque te lo pidan/exijan otros. Ese ha sido el problema principal. Los judíos podían volver a España desde finales del sgilo 19, y concretamente en el siglo 20 vinieron muchísimos. Y no se disculparon como tal, pero sí se reconoció la tragedia que supuso en el siglo 20 también. Sin embargo, sí es cierto que fue solo hace unos años que se les concedió la nacionalidad española solo por ser descendientes de judíos sefardíes. La mexicana ya es una sociedad occidentalizada, no hace falta que copiéis más cosas, potenciar las que ya tenéis, también las influencias indígenas.
I'm reading the auto-generated subtitles where I don't catch words, but is it possible to add subs manually , becaude they're not always so accurate, for instance "le dicen AMLO" came out as "le dicen time love"?
How much in terms of Patreon donations would that cost?
I calculate that writing subtitles would take me around 3 or 4 times as much time per video than it takes me right now to do everything, from writing to publication. I'm doubtful that at any level of donations it's going to be a worthy compromise, and I'd rather publish 3 times more videos, so that everyone can find topics they like. If the video is too hard to understand, I recommend watching easier videos that you can understand most of without subtitles.
@@DreamingSpanish It's cool, I think got most of it, just on my aural comprehension plus reading the autogenerated subs. I have decent passive listening comprehension as long as people speak clearly and slowly enough in an accent I can understand (not a Dominican, Cuban, Puerto Rican or Chilean accent!)
My problem is progressing from passive comprehension for listening and reading to being able to speak and write Spanish grammatically and with decent vocab, though.
@@DreamingSpanish
Thanks for your hard work, though.
Whether Spain acknowledges those atrocities committed under Spain's govt. is up to the current Spanish people to decide. Massive polling should be taken for a better indication of how the current people of Spain feel. However, this doesn't absolve anyone of justification of crimes committed, but simply whether the People feel they need to apologize of past crimes. In the same way, America continues to apologize for past atrocities like slavery. Just because it was acceptable back then, doesn't mean it was morally justifiable.
MexicanReformist I mean, a large number of Latinos are part Spanish in terms of dna and ancestor history. As a Latino born in Latin America, are we supposed to apologize to each other as well? It was, after all, our ancestors too. Unless one comes from a modern day indigenous tribe, I don’t think many of us in Latin America can cast the stone for what our ancestors did 500 years ago.
@@jsinfonico There's a massive difference between being the byproduct of colonization that resulted in rape and pillaging. And what the Spanish government allowed. You had no choice in the matter.
@@mexicanreformist1522 That, and apologizing for something that happened a long time ago is not nonsense despite what people think. Also, telling someone to get over something that happened a long time ago is akin to telling them to forget about it. Literally, telling them to forget it ever happened
@@mexicanreformist1522 I think you have 0 idea bout what the Spanish government allowed...
@@mexicanreformist1522 YOu are so full of BS and ignorance it is amusing.
NOOOO definitely NOT
Pensado ellos talking abt España toma español del México? My español is garbage I think I said it right for the most part (I think they are talking abt Spain took Spanish from Mexico)correct me if I’m wrong
Of course not. The Spanish language was brought by the Spaniards to Mexico. This is about the Mexican president asking the Spanish government to apologize for the invasion and conquest of Mexico in the 16th century.
The only thing I find hypocritical and rubs me the wrong way. Is that Spain did apologize for kicking out the Jews. So you're okay with apologizing to a group for kicking them out, but it's beneath you to apologize to a people you invaded, exploited, ethnically cleansed, and irreversibly changed. As if there was ever any question as how Spaniards saw themselves above their colonial counterparts as being beneath them, as a lesser people that only makes it worse.
You probably don't know that Spain was one of the last countries in Europe to expel the Jews.
Here you can see a chronology:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Expulsion_judios-en.svg
Spain apologized based on the principle that it expelled spanish citizens (who happened to be jew). Using this logic, it is actually mexico the one that has to apologize for expelling the spanish not the other way.. do you even use your braincells to find out some logic before talking?.
Rubbish. Like other European nations, Spanish hands and jaw dripping with blood 🩸 of indigenous and kidnapped/enslaved peoples. You have difficulty learning from and effecting repair of your history, and so continue to do harm.
Of course they should but they will never do that.
No.
And that's in Spanish if you're wondering.
My Dad is Mexican American, my Mom was born in Spain. So I’m both and what I’ve seen today is that neither Mexicans nor Spanish are remotely the same ethnicities as they were 500 years ago. Many Mexicans are Mestizo (Spanish/Mexican) but there are also many whom are part German, Italian, and French. In Spain you can find much ethnic division as sell. Castillians, Barcelonians, Jewish, Arabic and Mediterranean Spanish Ethnicities. I think it might be too late to be demanding apologies but we should all recognize the history of what happened. Nationalism teaches people to hate others for things they did not do and to take pride in accomplishments that they were not part of. - Doug Stanhope
Barcelonians??? Jweish??? Arabic??? Mediterranean Spanish Ethnicities??? You have no idea about Spain, do you? XD
@@goodaimshield1115 Yeah, this guy is actually so clueless it is hilarious
and whar about the Totonecas, Zapotecas, Aztecs, Mayas ... curiously you just mentioned white races ... do not be ashamed of your Mexican roots
@@oscarromero8908 I find it laughable that you would assume or state that I’m ashamed of being Mexican based on my previous comment. Let’s be clear as to what “White Races” actually means. White refers to Nordic/Scandinavian. This would include German or Germanic people. Italian, French and Spanish descend from Mesopotamia. They are of the Mediterranean people and are NOT White. You’re confusing skin color and Nationality with genetics.
@@alexvaldez4481i find it curious that you mentioned only European people. Why? Totonecas, aztecas and mayas are not part of your country? So the examples normally should be related to them as well. Mexican people are deep embraced by racism
No son comparables. España echo a ciudadanos españoles en su momento (los judios españoles). Mexico hecho a ciudadanos españoles. Si acaso mexico se tendria que disculpar usando esa logica...
Spain should apologize and return everything they stole from Latin America and the Philippines. You did us dirty! Please be accountable! You forced my ancestor to mine gold and other precious things just for you to take it!
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Because there's a lot of U.S.-Reservation American Indian Nations that have serious beef with Mexico as a Nation more than with Spain. Talk to the Apache.
Gracias para el tema importante. Voy a escribir en Inglés porque todavía soy estudiante principio.
I think the most important thing for the imperial western powers (US, Spain, UK, Netherlands, etc.) is to cease the continued colonization, exploitation, and domination of other countries and peoples. The brutality of colonization from 500 years ago is perpetuated today through transnational corporate trade agreements, foreign policies of coercion and outright militarism, and what we may call epistemological imperialism, i.e., the western tendency to marginalize non-western beliefs, values, and approaches to gaining knowledge. The west continues to defile, disparage, and destroy the cultures and natural environments of those countries which were brutally colonized by the western imperial powers. The issue should not center on a spoken apology or reparation consolations, but rather first ceasing the cycles of violence, oppression, and exploitation. Then we can move on to further amends.
Espana pedir disculpas al Mejico, o incluso Portugal pedir disculpas al Brasil.... estas son típicas tonterias políticas de la América Latina !!
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Personally I think ridiculous for Spain to apologize to Mexico. I have plenty of conquistador ancestors including Hernan Cortes and I’m half Latin American. Nobody in my Hispanic family is mad at Spain for conquering us. We’re a mixture of both indigenous people and European colonist, just like most of Central and South America. People have been conquering each other since the beginning of time why were the Spanish any different than any other country?
USA se a disculoado con Los Indians
CANADA se a disculpado
UCRANIA SE DISCULPO
NORUEGA SE DISCULPO
NO LOS ASE MENOS SERES HUMANOS SI ESPAÑA SE DISCULPA
I think at least it should apologize!
Yeah they should. Period. Actually forget the apology give the indigenous people of Mexico the gold and silver that made your country prosperous. Half of it is ok too.
The "Conquistadors" are all dead, though. The actual transgressors can't apologize. And Spain's apology wouldn't change anything anyway. What's the point of any (empty) apology if no reparations are made? How about returning all the Aztec treasures sitting in those Spanish museums? That beats empty words any day.
@E- World Oh you are one of those.. you seem pretty uneducated. Open a decent history book.... You gonna find out that the declive of south america actually startedw hen the spanish were expelled and the 3 viceroyalties were atomized (with the help of the british). Nueva españa was the most rich place in the world and a peasant there earned it much better than any peasant in the same period in europe...It is easy having someone to point your fingers at and say "you are guilty" but the truth is that the only reason mexico and other south american countries are like they are nowadays is actually the fact "they liberated themselves"... Until them, it was the richest part in the world, with the best infrastructures. Those places were never colonies, they were provinces. They had representation in the parlament. Do you even realize at some point, the president of the parliament in mainland spain was a guy born in what is today colombia?... Mexico DC had a modern sewer system even before european cities had it. There were 20 universities there before the anglo saxon started their first one in the north... What you have is a big complex, product of ignorance.. Good luck with that. Spain followed the roman model, it was a building empire, not one of exploitation, that is the anglo saxon model. Just as some guys from spain became roman emperors, some guys from the americas became very important figures in the spanish goverment of that time. This is something you dont know because.. well.. you are brainwashed and never cared to open a proper history book and analize numbers and facts.
Right! They should return all those stolen things!
Nunca debe decir perdon
Apologizing for the distant past is silly imo. Everything had to work out just the way it did for us to even be here. I think humans should spend their energy working to make things better for people that are alive now. All this other nonsense seems like virtue signalling. Thank you for the video!
Rey L yikes virtue signaling smh
Sure, you say it is nonsense, but that's what the people of the 10 lost tribes said about where they originally came from. Because considering apologies from so far back in history being nonsense is the first step to forgetting it.
En 300 años se cargaron 10 millones de indígenas de los pueblos originarios -además Mexico era un imperio que no se te olvide-además de todas la riqueza que se robaron- pedir perdón es lo menos que España puede hacer hacia los pueblos originarios de Mexico-
It’s not enough, though. Reparations are due to those who suffered most.
Apologise my ass.
Should people have to acknowledge something their ancestors didn't necessarily do? 🤔
Yes they should apologize , y de vuelve El Oro y todo lo que robaron de mexico
Spain was the best thing to happen to Mexico. The occupancy was troubled and sometimes bloody but over time, it made for a much more sophisticated civilisation and rich culture. I couldn’t imagine an indigenous Mexico without any European intervention.
agochoa racista
The real best thing that ever happened to Mexico was their independence from Spain. It may have been bloody and many have died fighting for their freedom, but their deaths were not in vain.
Mexican culture is rich with Indigenous culture. Not every country has to be colonized to do well. Japan for example was isolated for a while and as far as anyone is concerned I think they're doing fine. Although I agree without the combination of Spanish culture into the indigenous culture there likely wouldn't a modern Mexican culture, to say that Spain is the best thing that happened to Mexico is an insult to the majority of Mexicans now, and the indigenous who were slaughtered in their native land over greed.
agocha, your'e truly ignorant. The ancient Aztec empire established the FIRST public university on planet Earth, had the first recycling system, created a 2 cycle calendar, were MASTERS of engineering (aqueducts, artificial islands, etc.), were medical surgeons, and were the FIRST people on the planet to require compulsory education for kids, all this while Spanish peasant kids were running around picking up cattle shit. When the Spaniards saw the ancient Aztec capital, they likened it to "the beauty and grandeur of Rome". The culture was rich, uniquely rich, BEFORE the herpes-syphilis-gonorrhea-measels-mumps-chicken pox carrying Spanish arrived. Facts. Now, go read their history, you racist moron.
Because it happened to Mexico. We can't precisely fathom how it'd be if the Spanish Empire didn't colonize it
Absolutely NOT! I like the response from the Spanish Government. There's nothing to apologise about, it was the era of discovery & colonisation.
points_2_travel so they don’t have to apologize for calling Mexican people “Savages” and forcing them to speak Spanish and forcing Catholicism onto them? Even this day indigenous Mexicans are still hurt by the fact that the Spanish language is being more preserved than their own.
They dont have to apologize, god will give them their judgment for lying on him with their fake doctrine of discovery even though the bible says you are not to impose on people in their homelands unless they accept you and you plan to assimilate to them.
@@Alecfisher01 Thank God, we got rid off Spanish language and it's not required in our country anymore.
But it was not right. Anyway, it would be better to return what was stolen from the indigenous people.