Elisa Lam Mystery | Mental Health & Personality
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- Опубліковано 6 сер 2020
- This video answers the questions: Can I analyze the mental health and personality factors at work in the Elisa Lam case?
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Brenda Reed and bodily fluids. Gross
Brenda Reed I know. I have thought about that. Yikes!
Since when do people drink tap water?! Especially in LA?!?
I cant remember the last time I drank tap water.
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I am a retired psychiatric nurse, took care of hundreds of psychotic and or manic patients over 20 year period. The elevator footage is familiar behavior to me, especially the hand motions and appearing to hide in the corner. This unfortunate young lady died as a result of her mania, and I do wish she could have received emergency psych help in time to save her life. Very sad case.
To reply to OK : Yes I do believe in some supernatural and genuine religious experiences, mixed in with psychopathy. Unfortunately, those of us on staff who recognized this were not in a good position to have it addressed. Let us say we did what we could.
I blame her parents. Its been revealed she had a history of not taking her medication regularly and have manic episodes almost identical to what happened. How her parents could let her travel alone to a country she has never been b4 is absolute stupidity and very neglegent. She also was a very silly girl, to stop taking her meds on her trip when in an unfamiliar environment is idiotic. She wanted to prove to herself she could live without medication and be normal.
@O K This is probably because mental health professionals (most, anyway) are working with sciences - of which religion and the supernatural are not a part.
@@cant_touchthis69 Its quite common for people with mental health etc not to take their medication, to blame them for this is unhelpful
@@normasalamanca8558 I always wondered why bipolar patients always experience some kind of demon/supernatural attack while being psychotic or in a mania. I asked my therapist but her theory was that manic episodes have to do with your personal daily life experiences. So if you are a religious person its a very good possiblity you will encounter some form of a mania or psychotic behaviour that is linked with supernaturality.
it’s crazy how easily the water tank could have been tampered with. someone could have easily poisoned the whole building if they wanted to it seems.
Well hopefully if the hotel ever reopens, the new owners will have locked doors, alarams where they need to be and a lock on the water tanks. Locks on the tabk werent required by law or policy but they should have been.
The water tank had an alarm , the tank is also ten feet off the roof.
I saw a video of a guy who was making a vlog about the case a couple years ago. I cant seem to find it anymore, but the dude filmed himself taking the stairs to the roof, climbing up the tank, and the tank was left wide open. No security, no locked doors anywhere. And this was years after the case.
@@tylerk3616 I vaguely remember this or maybe it was a similar video. I believe it was a team of ghost hunters doing a paranormal investigation. They noticed how easy it was to access the roof from the fire escapes as well as into the tank.
@@ohgeez4354 The platform under the 4 tanks had a ladder as well as another one in between the tanks that led to the top. Each tank had a small access lid that weighs around 20 pounds that was found open when the maintenance man discovered her body.
If there was an alarm, it was probably deactivated and it's also possible that access lid was already open.
The demons just got roasted, no one is safe from Dr. Grande!
And Richard Ramirez
Hahaha. which ones? The 'demons' who tell women with Borderline PErsonality Disorder to punch the buttons for more floors than the one they are going to get off on or the 'demons' left behind by a lot of 'I hope most only young children playing pranks with the elevator system as usual? -- Like how in the high rise building where i used to live they would press the fire alarm button on the main floor just before heading out the final main doors forcing all of the senior citizens to walk down the fire escapes with their walkers again just in case the fire alarm went off for a real reason. After the maintenance replaced the entire elevator system including the elevator cars using a crane for all 3 high rises in a row that sort of thing went on about once a week until I took it upon myself to guard the side door fire escape to see who all was going to try and sneak into the building after the fire alarm was pulled where the security camera system might have been less monitored at the time. After someone asked me what I was doing and I told them By the way an orphan of a single mom who was murdered in that building asked me if I could adopt him. After I guarded that fire escape door of the building by myself during one of those false fire alarm episodes and told people what I was doing those false alarms while I was still living there NEVER HAPPENED AGAIN BEFORE I MOVED OUT MONTHS LATER. And so, unlike 'demons' sometimes it just pays for a person to be different instead of going along with the crowd all the time.
Dr. Grande doubles as Doomguy confirmed.
@@twodumbcats390 Hotel creepy and hospital ward creepy beware Dr. Grande is back in town.
His remarks about the demon theory were awesome 😂😂👍
It's so nice to hear someone talk about this case without bringing up the supernatural theories 🙄 I always found it disrespectful and in bad taste...
@Thus Spoke Talia It does exist. I am a former probation officer and I have been in places that had the hair on the back of my neck stand on end. Prior to that, I gave very little credence to these types of things and would often roll my eyes when people would talk about it. But I soon learned what those feelings felt like and it can't be mistaken. You know it when you feel it....and I know you know what I'm talking about. That job took me to some very seedy places and when I had experienced those feelings, it seemed to revolve around places that had a lot of illicit drug activity. Drugs really steal a person's soul. Learning to trust my gut saved my life many times. By the way, I hope you never have the occasion to return to the Cecil Hotel.
But with all due respect intended, wasnt she there to (more or less) ghost hunt?
Taiwanlight huh. I could be wrong. My apologies
@Thus Spoke Talia How was the water? Just kidding...
@Lance Anthony it just doesn't make sense how she would have managed to close the tank lid that was extremely heavy while inside it, not to mention opening the terrace door, how would she have done it alone? don't you think it's weird that the elevator door didn't close even when she pressed several buttons? the fact that she stopped inside the tank without
clothes? I can only think of the involvement of someone who worked there
"I think it stands as a reminder of the dangers of bipolar disorder" -- and the fact that the danger is to the person themself, not the people around them so much.
Most mental illness works that way.
I felt really weird when you described one by one all the meds I'm on right now. I take precautions not to be left alone for a long period of time and my friends & therapist check on me. Such a pity no one was there to look after this girl.
In your experience do you think what happened to Elisa could possibly be connected with her not taking medications or not taking the proper dosage?
@@venomsucks Definitely. It's very common for people in mania to stop taking medications because they feel so elevated. I don't actually have bipolar, I'm borderline, but my therapy group mostly has bipolar people and we talk about this very often.
@@kseniav586 it breaks my heart because I see people saying how she shouldn't of stopped taking her meds. They dont understand at all. All the meds she was on, it would've had huge side effects making her tired. My heart breaks for her because I know she just wanted to be normal. And now her breakdown is being watched over and over. Yes, we know we're not supposed to stop taking our meds, but it feels like a good idea at the time.
If you replace the Effexor with Zoloft, 86 the Dexedrine, and throw in some Xanax, she and I were in the same boat.
@@jessicatavi116 I take seroquel and they want to start me off on antidepressants now. Taking meds is tough on the body 😔 it may take away the symptoms the pill is designed to do but the side effects are horrible. I can see why she was tired of being on so many drugs
OMG. Dr. Grande covers literally every single story/person I've ever been interested in!
Yes! He's the 🐐
He's not a dummy LOL. He goes for the interesting/popular ones. But then again, he's prolific enough that he just goes for EVERY one.
Same here!
I'm just perpetually amazed at how well he knows his audience - how plugged in he is to the zeitgeist of the interesting & unusual.
Yeah he’s the best
Dr Deadpan comes out most strongly when conspiracy theories come out.
Clarissa Quinn Dr Deadpan! Lolol
"Dr Deadpan" certainly cures *me* of the anger certain conspiracy theorists invoke, I can tell you!
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Elisa was from my neighbourhood... I remember her as a child doing homework in the back of her parents' restaurant (which is still open to this day).
I think it should be called the “just stay at home” hotel.
Lol
I stayed at Cecel in 2013 without knowing what history of hotel is. From outside and front desk it appears to be 5 star but once you get lobby and your room it turns into 2 star hotel that is unfinished. Stairs looked like there are made to create an an accident. I literally said this building will make a great horror film... no idea an actual horror happening here
American Horror Story-Hotel was a show was loosely based on this hotel.
I am totally a person who stays at crappy interstate motels because they’re “clean enough” and super cheap, but my travel buddy has much higher standards. She has legit suggested staying at the Cecil and I was just like “dude if you can’t stand a random Motel 6 off the interstate in the middle of nowhere we can’t stay there. Plus also I will probably do drugs. So, if we want to do a creepy/haunted hotel in Cali let’s spend the money and stay at the hotel del Coronado”. She quickly agreed. Lol. I think she knew the death history but not the next door to skid row history.
@@amyqotd5358 I wouldn't. Bring home bed bugs. Ew. And I never found the security that great. Antone could break in easily. Please consider that doing drugs makes you have a target on your head.
Many horrors apparently. That must have been scary.
Richard Ramirez living there is reason enough to never go there.
I wish she had not gone on a trip like that by herself. Poor thing.
Yes, I wondered about that. Her family probably couldn't keep her safe at home.
I wish she would not have stayed at that hotel or that area.
agreed. as a parent of a young adult with mental illness it's often extremely difficult to reason with them and, once of legal age, difficult to really prevent them from doing something they have their mind set on. I would almost guarantee that her parents tried to encourage her not to go or at least take a friend or family member along.
The tragic story of this young woman and the Carrie Fisher stories you did are helping me have perspective when it comes to my teenagers with bipolar and pre-bipolar symptoms… It’s helping me see my girls through a more understanding lens but it’s also helping me see I’ve got to hurry up and figure out how to be more impactful so they will have as much stability as possible. Thank you
An unmarried woman going on a trip with her lover is no safer in this world than when travelling alone. Like Princess Diana. That has nothing at all to do with our unseen microscopic world folks unless you are referring to the aftermath of things out of her control.
I was there when this happened with 2 friends of mine from Greece. We had no idea about her until the next day. We got a call from the front desk to our room telling us the water was temporarily closed due to problems
Did you drink it?
PROBLEMS?! Is this real life ?
I really wish I had watched this instead of season 1 of the new Netflix show about the Cecil. As a person who has been diagnosed with Bipolar disorder I knew mania induced psychosis was to blame as soon as I saw the elevator footage. Great video!
So many meds prescribed. Poor woman. Another great video. That hotel certainly has a strange history.
Yep. I was sent to see an NHS therapist in the UK. He diagnosed me with 3 disorders and my GP and mother suggested I go Xannies. I refused. I’d rather just feel sad and be a bit socially awkward. I’ve no interest in permanently altering my biochemistry.
@@hitomitanaka105 benzos are really tough to get off however they don't permanently alter your brain chemistry :)
@@hitomitanaka105 benzos are certainly ill-advised, the problems with memory loss has occurred even in those who aren't abusing them.
@@313eve This is factually incorrect, you could never make such a claim about anything really since it's unfalsifiable.
@@aiGeis it's not permanent when you cease to take them. That's what I meant.
We put a no demons sign at our house. From personal experience I can say these don’t work, my mother still got in.
Kristin Torres Ouch.
Marilyn Russell Hahahahah just a joke but she’s a covert narc soooooo it would make more sense if u knew lol
ROFL
🤣Good one! In my case it was a dumb ass ex husband!
@@kristintorres4640 don't worry from you tube videos everything will be oright with care and love
The thought that someone's poor mental health can bring about their death is far more frightening to me than any paranormal horror story.
Same.
2024 here, watch all the current women drowning in rivers in the UK appearing now, lots of conspiracy theorist commenting there, while the answer is so simple.
Thank you. Finally someone who understands what happened to her. Everyone seemed to speculate these crazy theories when bipolar was staring at them in the face all along.
The vast majority of people with bipolar do not end up dead in the water tanks on the roof of a bad reputation hotel under mysterious circumstances, all naked with clothes floating nearby. Just because she had a bipolar does not mean much you need to explain how it lead to her death under such circumstances. Im not saying that crazy theories with demons and secret government agents are not laughable explanations tho dont get me wrong :)
They should definitely post a NO SERIAL KILLER sign at that hotel.
"NO SERIAL KILLERS. REGULAR KILLERS, HOSTAGE TAKERS, ARSONISTS WELCOME."
Or a "NO DEMONS" sign.
yea that should do it LOL
Then half the millionaires would have to move out.
They should post a sign says no evil Spirit in hotels
I love how you treated her circumstances and death with tact and respect, but still found a way to make me laugh at the end by making fun of the conspiracy theories.
You had me laughing out loud while I was alone in the master bedroom, and I turned out to be loud enough everyone heard me and came in to find out what it was I was laughing at. Then, I completely forgot what I wanted to comment on about the video because I was thrown off by the hilarious commentary on Demons and Ghostbusters.
What I had wanted to comment on was the elevator video is definitely altered. I’ve worked in television, film and video for 20 years and I’m telling you, without a doubt in my mind, that the video was sped up for some reason. Her actions seem much more bizarre by doing so. If you slow it down to what is more than likely the correct speed, her actions do not seem as bizarre. I would love to understand why the video was adulterated prior to being released to the public.
According to the Netflix series police decided to make the video public because they recently dispatched the majority of the investigation team to a higher priority case. A slowed down version of the video was released so the public would be able to see what she looked like for a little longer, and possibly help find her.
But yes it looked slowed down and speeded up in some areas which I think you can see by the movement of the timestamp although the numbers aren't observable. In the series they also showed when the elevator door abruptly closes, it is.already closed about 6 inches indicating that parts of the video could have been cut (and why the timestamp was distorted).. but they never addressed it again and said the footage wasn't edited by the hotel.. strange
Touché.
Came here after the Netflix documentary and no surprise that the most scientific take aligned the most with police findings. Great video!
Werent you also bothered with the fact that does web sleuts in the Netflix docu series werent convinced that bipolar led to some of the actions Elisa displayed?
I also just watched the documentary on netflix and what made me wonder was that it wasn't mentioned the tank lid was locked and so was the emergancy rooftop door. It is not clear how she came on top of the roof and inside the tank. I support the psycological issues theory but there's still open questions
@@bloodmonk74 it was highlighted in the documentery. She went on the roof through a fire emergency ladder so not through the emergency door
@@bloodmonk74 also the tank lid was not locked. Check episode 4 again
Is that reportet by police or what is that coming from?
And what about the missing seconds within the video footage?
“If there were demons involved, they did not check in, but the hotel gave tacit approval by not hanging a sign specifically forbidding demons” LOL
😂😂😂😂😂
He’s a savage
I guess the demons at that hotel didn't hear about the "no sex with demons" rule as referred to in Dr. Grande's prior video!! 😂👹
Lol for sure. According to every self righteous know-it-all person around instead of a pattern of lies coming from one or more people that needs to be still detected concerning Lams' death only demons needed to be ignored to stay away. Lies like being told on occasions one by one that a human being needs all those medications just in case the person taking it who has unpredictable energy levels needs to be around anyone who practices a certain kind of pattern of lies that could cause for example the person prescribed all of that his or her telephone and watch to go missing just before ending up in a tank with the lid later being replaced for them while still being in the tank. So depending on your perspective how best for a person with unpredictable energy levels in their body to save enough of their energy levels for the last time for the person maybe might have to get away from crooks during a holiday is for sure a tricky dilemma always to be in however it is too simplistic to only state the one theory alone as to why a traveler like Lam might have needed more help to survive than only advice on what pills to take when and about how absurd the expectation that you are to be otherwise listening to all of the demons out their full of lies.
@@FrancesShear no offence but you make no sense at all. I can’t read your comment and actually understand what you’re trying to say here...
I hope people with a difficult history of manic depression hear of this story and decide against going off on trips alone. If Elisa had had a family member or friend close by who was familiar with her symptoms, they might have been able to head this off before the more serious symptoms started.
I hope you are right. Sometimes I feel like it is beyond what others can help with sometimes.
@@LifeDIY In my humble opinion, I think it really matters how this is presented to someone. If the person is made to feel like they're incapable of doing things alone, being safe, etc. and that is the reason someone wants to accompany them, then I think the person may not be open to having someone with them. But, on the other hand, if it's presented to the person that they'd like to accompany them to spend time with them and to have fun with them, then the person might be more open to it. Do you know what I mean?
@@LifeDIY it is definitely what others can help with, and should. while she couldve not been open with it to close people, it is still an irresponsible thing that she was alone while being on such heavy medication. not irresponsible by her, more like, by the health system i guess; or maybe she didnt tell anyone else (enough) bc of fear of being stigmatized for example. also people often think they can deal alone with their mental illnesses but thats not the case.
I've actually not gone on long trips alone for more than a day without checking in with close friends due to this very issue.
This girl's death was so sad, and one has to wonder how things might have turned out had she had a friend with her.
Wow, so according to you guys people with bipolar disorder need a babysitter to leave their familiar surroundings? I’m glad I’ve got people in my life who encourage me to get out in the world on my own instead of hiding behind someone else, never knowing how to make a decision on my own! Just because someone has a brain disorder doesn’t mean they’re helpless!
That poor young lass and her parents - heart breaking stuff.
Oh my gosh, the amount of meds she was on, its no wonder she was often very tired and ended up taking a LOT less as show by the count that was in her bottles. Holy crap. Its so sad because I know exactly how she feels, you just wanna do what everyone else does, and you just feel so sick and tired of being sick and tired!! The depression makes you tired but the meds can make doing anything feel like you're trying to function on an OD of sleeping meds!! My heart breaks for her. I was diagnosed bipolar at 18, and all through HS id missed months of school because my meds made me unable to stay awake. I was way over medicated!!! I don't have any psychosis or delusions, so I don't have to take antipsychotics, but I couldn't get off meds I didn't need to be on til I started advocating for myself!! This story breaks my heart.
I believe that if Elisa truly believed the hotel was haunted then maybe while she was in a manic state - she for some reason believed she would be safe from the demons by hiding inside the water tank.
Just a theory.
Pretty good theory!
Actually I never thought of that. Makes sense
Great theory
@@sahar3547 not if she has a mental illness, she wont be thinking ratiomally
@Anomic Anchorite Im completely willing to believe she did that. I went to Catholic school growing up and learned the 'rules' of blessing water. If she believed her heart and soul truly belonged to God she may have believed she could bless it into holy water.
It's basically the only reason I can think of as to why she would have climbed into the tanks.
The last minute of this video was brutal!! I've never laughed so hard while watching such a serious topic. I belly laughed at the demon theories jokes. Dr. Grande has such sarcastic and witty jokes, love it!
to be fair, its kind of hard to take demon conspiracies seriously lol. i imagine its even worse for a mental health professional who actually knows whats likely going on
Think he's been watching BRITISH comedies he's got it off to a fine ART...
I did, too.
Same here..Excellent explanation of her Bipolar being the possible call... the last part 😂😂😂
I would say since no one knows what really happened, all theories are on the table. I lived in east Los Angeles during this time and this story was huge. That hotel is known for strange things happening there. And whether Dr grande believes it or not there is a dimension out there that most people choose to ignore. JS😁🍓also she wasn't very big and he doesn't say how big or heavy the ladder was. Could she move it by herself?
I'm bipolar 2 and 24 years old and stories like this frighten me about my future. I've never had delusions or heard voices but knowing I could in the future is frightening to think.
Don’t be afraid! Just make sure you take care of yourself mentally and physically! Sending positive thoughts your way
Stay away from drugs take your meds as prescribed if you’re on them and you’ll be fine 👍💕
Hi there! Having gone through psychosis before - it's startling and frightening, yes, but what has gotten me through personally is reminding myself that it is my brain making up stimuli where none exist, and that they cannot hurt me if I don't let them. That being said, being that mentally coherent isn't always a guarantee, so having a plan in place ahead of time to ensure safety and regularly reviewing it is highly encouraged.
Edit: I recommend the crisis plan route because it gives you a rope to hang onto during the crisis, figuratively speaking.
You've cracked the code of which things are popular on youtube, Dr Grande. Congratulations! And it's really exciting to hear your takes on these often-covered cases, because you have cultivated a reputation for unbiased, scientifically based analysis, which is hard to come by on here.
"If there were DEMONS in the hotel, they did not check in!" HAH! Love your sense of humor!
Richard Benz what’s funny? They wouldn’t care
@@Cassxowary My comment was on Dr. Grande's sense of humor, which I appreciate when he lampoons superstitious bullshit like "demons."
Hahahahha!!😂😂🤭
"Hotel Creepy" ghost check in, but they never wanna check out, what deadbeats.
The theories surrounding this case are truly some of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Thank you Dr. G for shining a light on this ridiculousness.
"You can check-in anytime you like but you can never leave" :-) *Hotel California - Eagles*
Thanks for covering this. Your sensitivity and humor is appreciated.
Dr. Grande, I'm really loving you adding videos to your videos!
Oh yay! I asked for this one and here it is! Thanks for doing this Dr Grande! There are so many "theories" out there. It's refreshing to hear a sensible take on this. I feel so bad for Elisa. I wish she hadn't been alone on this trip.
Omg he did it! I remember thumbs upping that comment asking for this
I remember making a comment asking for this too! I am so excited, this case desperately needed someone unbiased and professional to weigh in.
Yes it did! I've read so much about this it's like I read one thing I'm leaning that way read something else and think well maybe that's what it was.
Well thanks. I don’t remember it myself but was interesting.
Yup one of those was me
Could you do an Unsolved Mysteries series? I'd be especially interested in an analysis of Patricia Endres's husband (episode 2) and Lena Chaplin's mother (episode 6).
I was just thinking that Dr. Grande should do a video on the Rey Rivera case. He was clearly ill at the time of his death and the grand conspiracies people push are so disrespectful.
what a great idea
Yes! Especially Lena's mom.
some of the stories really don’t have much info at the crime scene of what happened. not sure how he can analyze a crime or disappearance when there isn’t much info
@@Hypno_BPM true, but I was thinking it would be interesting for him to analyze the individuals more so than the actual crime. For example, what is the psychology behind carrying around your dead wife's skull as Rob Endres did? Was he being genuine in his interview? Or what is the psychology behind making your children help you cover up a crime as Sandy Klemp did? And threatening and punishing your children for not keeping quiet? There are a lot of interesting personalities on the show!
Oh heck yes!! What a treat to have you discuss this case. Whenever Dr. Grande covers a mystery it always gives me a little bit of closure, even though we will never know what happened.
Dr. Grande destroys fear with facts and logic ❤️
Absolutely one of the most interesting channels on UA-cam. Another great analysis with the best humor ever 👍😊
I’m enjoying the in depth look into medications!
Yeah, in depth... "look"
No one called ghostbusters 😂, therefore demons unlikely = solid inductive reasoning
Excellent critical thinking.
of if there were demons, somebody really should have called ghostbusters
Maybe it was a poltergeist, so they knew Ghostbusters woudn't have been so helpful? Just thinking.
Try to present yourself with solid inductive reasoning without a doctorate degree while being a girl like Liam from a minority too while not feeling well for every moment of your life while in one of those kind of hotels some time and see what happens next too. Like when trying to throw off someone who is chasing you off your back after finally reaching the main floor just before leaving the building.
@@FrancesShear I think they were commenting on Dr. G's humor in regard to the ghostbusters. I can't see how what they said in any way indicates they were making any statement about Elisa's reasoning here. I think it's safe to say that no matter how good Elisa's reasoning skills were -- and they may have been excellent when she was well -- if she was in a manic and/or psychotic state they were not good. But i'm almost sure the commentor was making a lighthearted statement about Dr. G's reasoning and not any statement about Elisa's.
I saw the Elisa Lam video on another channel and they were saying how creepy it looked and being a avid Dr. Grande fan, I noticed that is seemed like a mental health issue more than a supernatural one. So I go and search more about this case and first thing i find is good ole Dr. Grande.
Thank you for your awesome videos and sneaky humor!
It's never been told in detail what weird behavior she exhibited to her roommates at the Cecil to get kicked out and get her own room. It must have been really weird. i wish more information existed as to how she was acting and what she said to them.
In the Netflix documentary, they said she wrote little notes like "Go away" and stuck them to their Beds or wanted a Password if someone wanted into the room. If never heard someone interview her roommates. Probably there is a lot of information missing.
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That is weird. I didn't know Netflix had a documentary on her death. Thanks for the info.
@@48mastadon that´s how got caught by this horrible story. The Documentary is not bad made contains interviews with the Hotel manager and the investor but the aimed conclusion is just as known as an unexplainable accident.
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I got hooked on this story from videos here on UA-cam by @Lordan Arts. I just can't imagine why she would take off all of her clothes and watch and throw them in the tank that she would go and drown in. Her state of mind must have been really out there.
@@48mastadon I guess she was at least unconscious when placed in the tank and the clothes were thrown within. possible it was an accident elsewhere in the hotel and someone tries to camouflage what happened. I can only speculate about it, but the official story doesn´t make any sense to me at all
Been waiting for this! Thanks Dr. Grande👌🏻
You are a man of impeccable precision and you are a fantastic storyteller. It was compelling and sincerely tragic to listen to. But as always, you don’t embellish - your dispassionate analysis is always useful and interesting. Thank you for all of your work, doctor!
I absolutely love your videos and the dry sarcastic humor! 😂 This one definitely made me chuckle.
Dr. Grande you are the best! Always checking the facts and never speculating without an actual real base. There's always misconceptions when it comes to mental or personality disorders and you help clear them out and make people understand better. Never stop doing what you're doing. Your videos are a valuable source of info and knowledge.
Who is here after the Netflix documentary "Crime Scene" ?
why would you watch that sensationalist bullshit
@@spacecowboi5466 it was done in much better taste than Tiger King. I can promise that much
I couldn’t watch that BS . It made me so angry!!! Trying to invent mysteries and stories about how she died to PROFIT from her death. Disgraceful!!!!!!
@@spacecowboi5466 agree, such BS. Had to switch it off. Poor girl
@@broccolihighkicks3857 yes thank you someone with some sense. anyone with a shred of empathy (especially empathy for the mentally ill) should be able to see past this exploitive bullshit. sadly, we live in a society that values sensationalism over truth and profit over morals. and it’s well known that society treats mentally ill people like human garbage, so im disappointed but not surprised something like this happened.
Never clicked faster.
Same here. I also liked the video before watching and it was justified.
“Cold case murder mysteries” podcast with Ryan Kraus did my fav version of this case.
Dr Grande spoiling us with content!!! Amazing as always
If Dr. Grande made a channel of himself reading stories I would guaranteed listen to it every night to fall asleep because his voice is so soothing and he makes me feel very comforted.
My new fav channel ! Awesome content Doctor ! Subscribed
Beautiful young lady,beautiful soul ,I hope she rests in peace
I feel sorry for the people that drank the water that her corpse was immersed in.
Ewwwwwww .
@@charlotteziggy8353 said the water smelled and tasted bad ...can you imagine when they found OUT!!
@@franmellor9843 Nobody would be too beautiful after drowning, bloating, & then stewing in their own... um, bodily fluids for days. Remember in the walking dead episode when they found a walker that had gotten stuck in a well & Glenn had to go try to go down after it? Yeah... Think well-zombie minus reanimation. I feel bad for the people tasked to take her out of there. 🤢 And for her folks who surely were forced to have a close casket on top of losing their family member
Poor Elisa - she was clearly suffering in one way or another.
Edit - I won't deny that Elisa may have been *seeing* demons, even if they weren't actually there.
Why poor Elisa? She died doing what she loved.
Did you watch Sloan Bella’s video on her? Unbelievable !
John Keller Okay...
Maybe they were there (demons/entities.) I have a theory that many (not all, but many) people who suffer from a mental illness have a much stronger link to other dimensions, and are much more sensitive to energies/beings/or just...things most people cannot see with the naked eye. Society labels them "crazy," but actually they are more sane because they see the world for what it is not limited to our five senses.
@@eagletmars As someone with bipolar 1 disorder, adhd, anxiety disorder, and agoraphobia, I agree.
You’re sense of humor just makes my day!
wow what a coincidence that u posted this today- the other day i was revisiting this case. almost every year i read about it again and it still disturbs me to the point where i cant watch that video in the elevator anymore, and my eyes always water thinking or reading about the case. i honestly believe someone followed or stalked her and then probably did something to violate her.. and then killed her. its horrific and i am still so heartbroken for her.
Very fascinating Dr. Grande! And also very informative! This was amazing as always and I was sooo engaged! Hope you have a wonderful rest of your day! Much love Dr. Grande💕😁
Thank you so much for covering this tragic case! I've followed it since the beginning and I've often wondered how her mental health played a part in her death. Thank you for all the hard work that you put into these videos! Cheers Doc!
BlowItOutYourCunt it still isn’t the cause. She was possessed And taken and murdered and even mentally healthy people can be
Dr. Grande, I love your sense of humour!You're such a low-key comedian which makes your videos more enjoyable to watch.💯😆
I always watch your videos. I think they are awesome, and your voice is calming.💕
I love this channel so much!!!
I've been awaiting this mystery Doc:)
Really enjoy the integration of humor in your videos these days. You’re the man. 👍
Thank you, Dr. Grande! Fascinating analysis and exactly what I wanted to learn. Thank you so much.
The elevator footage is eerie, and it is weird they messed with the time stamp. I’ve never thought this was anything suspicious though. Being familiar with bipolar disorder I’ve always felt she must’ve had some kind of episode.
But how did her "episode" lead her to drown in the water tank on the roof? That part is so puzzling
Maybe someone else was with her?
@@tonyabrookes9931 People jump into water while manic often. Same with removing clothes, and since she was taking an anti-psychotic that she was skipping doses on she could have even been mistaking herself for being too hot, and found her way to a water source to cool down. Perhaps she was hallucinating and thought it was a pool, who knows.
aiGeis How did she get the lid back on if the lid was too high for her to reach whilst inside the tank?
@@thriftyfreebies thats what I thought
Liked before watching the video.
Love your content Dr Grande.
That's interesting what you mentioned about mania and removal of clothing. It answered a long-held question I had. I used work at a harm reduction/mental health station at large multi-day festivals. This is an off-shoot of first aid, right next to them, and would take in folks who were having a "bad trip" or mental crisis. They needed longer-term care. Physically they were fine and cannot take up space in first aid but mentally were not fine to just be released back into the party. As you can imagine a lot of young folks who made it there I learned upon intake often already had a mental health diagnosis, be on a medication then come to a festival and mix it with some type of drugs and alcohol excessively, and this would trigger what looked like a manic episode. Many would arrive via security having shed some of their clothing, I remember standing with another first aid attendant once and us both wondering what's with all this disrobing? I think in what you said all the pieces fell together for me there.
They were at a festival having a mental crisis? They were definitely high as a kite due to psycho drugs, not having a mental health crisis.
Other channel had an explanation about the fact of her not having her clothes on, hypothermia...she was in a tank with water and could not go out, when the body gets in the state of hypothermia the brain thinks they are actually feeling hot (shock) so people start to remove their clothes.
@@Sarablueunicorn Ah, no, I worked this job and we got medical histories from people. It was mixing prescribed medicine with other drugs or going off prescribed medication. 95% of people in attendance including those taking psychedelics are fine but there are a small percentage of folks comparatively who have bad reactions in those spaces and/or when mixing drugs.
More great content from Dr. Grande. This was very interesting and informative. I have first-hand experience with bipolar disorder, as i live with someone who has it. Thank you for putting a clinical perspective on this tragic story.
Dr.Grande! Back at it again! Love your videos thank you for the informative content🙂
I literally said “YES” out loud when I saw this in my feed. This case still haunts me and I come back to it randomly throughout the years because I feel so badly for this woman. What a wild story. Thanks Dr. G!
This has helped me understand my family. We are from a small MN farm community of 600. My brother said an ax to the head would help our sibling deal with his "situation". I am alone and alienated from them because of their "LOVE". Thank you Thank you Thank you for helping me understand bipolar peeps!
Wow. Every time I learn about a person, Dr. Grande releases a video on them.
I remember seeing the footage when I was younger and It was by far the most haunting chain of events , keep up the awesome work Dr.Grande
Hey Dr. Grande, I was wondering if you could do videos on famous philosopher's personalities. And the intersection between philosophy and psychology.
Great suggestion.👍🏻
Omg yes good idea!
I would love to hear about David Hume’s
Karl Marx
Nice!
Really love these videos! Thank you.
Dear Dr. Todd Grande,
Thank you so much for doing this analysis of her prescriptions and toxicology report.
This was something that was seriously needed in this case.
In the years I have been following it, this seemed to be the last piece of evidence that was necessary to determine the cause and explanation of finding her body in the water tank.
Peace
Your videos get uploaded at roughly 1 am in my country so I put them on and they get me to fall asleep very quickly... then in the morning I rewatch them 😂. Sending Love from Croatia!
Sad story. I wish one of her family members went with her to make sure she was safe. I can imagine how her parents feel. It's so horrible to lose a child I know. There is no words to describe the pain. My condolences goes to your parents.
Thank you Dr Grande, for your excellent analysis. Every video helps me to understand the complexity of the human mind ❤️
I was put on seroquel when I had severe depression to help me sleep. I remember always having very intense, life like, but strange dreams that I've never had since. Really appreciated your information on it.
I just been prescribed it off label for a sleeping issues. I have never had such vivid and strange dreams!
oh my god this case was big for me! i never even thought of requesting it! Thanks Dr. Grande you're a gem
edit: as a long time resident of Vancouver and a current student at UBC, having been born in LA, the ties to Vancouver and LA for this were crazy when i was younger. Still are. Really fascinating case
I was wondering earlier today "Does Dr. Grande have a video about Elisa Lam case?"
Now I just got home and see this video uploaded today! WOW! Dr. Grande does actually read minds!
Great video, as always.
the same thing happened to me with his kurt cobain video! id been offline for like a month at that point too, so it was kinda really weird lol. maybe hes built a personality profile of his audience and using it to read our minds lmao
@@somedude172 lol
I love how you crack jokes yet never break from your dry personality. Very enjoyable!
Great video mate , super imformative
I heard the hotel tried posting a “no demons allowed” sign, only to be hit with a lawsuit for discrimination.
Discrimination from what?
@@timhawks6101 demons...
these damn snowflakes smh
LMAO. Yeah, that would definitely be typical
California for ya!
@@timhawks6101 LoL Seriously? You needed an explanation? Nahhh you playn.
You’ve made a lot of good points Dr. Grande it seems like she was having a mental break of some sort.
I love Dr. Grandes sense of humor.
Keep em coming doc.
Brilliant yet again Doc.... thank you!
I love your dry humor. Inconsiderate demons. 😁
Another interesting case! I'm somewhat on the fence with this case. I've traveled the world so I'm definitely biased in that my opinion is influenced by my experience so I'm not 100% objective. I'm thinking that Elisa was more vulnerable as she was traveling alone and likely in the manic phase of her illness, as you mentioned. She would have been in contact with a wide range of hotel staff and guests many of whom would be aware she was traveling alone. She was also staying in a seedy hotel that may have had guests with a criminal history. I also wonder why the hotel felt the need to tamper with the surveillance footage from the elevator if no crime had occurred. I agree with your theory but I also wonder if hotel staff could have been involved. They had access to her room and a ladder. It's interesting that she was found in the water tank as we know that any biological evidence would be destroyed under those circumstances and it would be more difficult to determine the manner of death if there is decomposition of the body. Although some drowning victims have no water in their lungs, I wonder if her body could have been placed in the tank. It was also interesting she was found without clothes but she could have removed them as you mentioned. Your analysis was extremely thorough and detailed and I lean toward your conclusion more than my own. My experiences influence my perspective so I'm the least likely person to make any determinations but it's always interesting to speculate. Thank you for another fantastic analysis, Dr. Grande!
Most hotels of repute have "a history of seedy guests"; this line of thinking is an example of the "causation as correlation" fallacy. Hotel guests are by nature transient social populations, so any problems or phenomena that arise around guest-originated behavior are actually guest-specific rather than hotel-specific (although if you want to argue a point, it's still possible for the architecture of residential location to influence the behavior of the parties residing there, as the "painting prison cell walls pink" experiment shows).
No need to complicate things... go for what really happened, considering every piece of evidence and circumstance that surrounds this case, which is what Grande presents here. Just a really sad case.
Good video as always!
Love Dr Grande’s videos - takes all the facts and explains it all in an easy to understand way for us with a non-medical background with just a touch of humour on top! U must make videos of some of your own doctor patient experiences Dr??!!
From 11:25 - 15:40, you cover everything Netflix stretched into four hours. You did leave out the delusional paranoia of thinking someone was out to get her, that landed her in the inpatient psych stay. Outside of that, bravo.
Elisa's death can be explained quite logically. In fact there is well documented evidence of patients during a manic episode to perform high risk activities with little inhibition. This decreased inhibition also encourages some to want to remove clothing during these "phases". Elisa Lam has a history of taking pictures on rooftops in her online history so it was an area she may have been naturally drawn to. Also important is that people having manic episodes do not "become dumber" and Elisa was very intelligent as has been well documented so she could easily have found a way to get to the rooftop if she had so wanted. She also took Seroquel which is an antipsychotic medication but had stopped taking it shortly before her death. Stopping antipsychotic and other mood stabilizing medications suddenly has been well known to cause a patient to cycle into a psychotic phase which could induce hallucinations and delusions in some individuals. As for the tank top being open any number of possibilities exist. The most likely is that it just was already open as was shown to often be the case in later months but Elisa could have opened it when she first got onto the rooftop just to see what it was and left it open. She then could have climbed the ladder for whatever reason, possibly for a better view of the city and then lost her balance and fell into the tank (a sad run of bad luck indeed... but possible nonetheless). Finally, taking her clothes off once in the tank is very easy to explain. 2 major possibilities exist: 1 being she was having delusions already so her delusion simply expanded to include the fact she was in a bathtub and needed to clean herself. Another and probably more likely scenario is that as she sat in the cold water for an extended time she eventually became hypothermic. Hypothermia causes further confusion and paradoxical undressing because patients begin to actually feel as though they are burning up when in fact they are dying of cold. Now, all that said does that mean that there wasn't also someone there contributing to her downfall... no..not at all, but it is certainly possible that an original poor decision to stop taking several of her medication suddenly could easily have led to a runaway cascade of poor outcomes eventually leading to her demise.
I ABSOLUTELY love your sense of humor!!!
Thank you Dr.Grande, very informative .
Who else is here after the Netflix documentary to listen to an actual smart and respectful look on the case rather than that overdramatized bs
Same! Literally watched it ten minutes ago.
If there’s anyone who can analyze the Elisa Lam case perfectly, it’s Dr. Grande
You are so intelligent, entertaining and hilarious. I love your dead pan humor and your thoughts are so well thought out and explained. Love listening to you!
Dr Grande!! I love your videos!!