Always enjoy seeing these alternate system possibilities on classic Macs. Been messing with an x86 DOS compatibility card recently myself! Also: with enough bacon and bullets, I have no doubt all five of us would survive the trek to Oregon 😁
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Woz was really big on making things easy to work on with the Apple II series. Jobs less so, though he left Apple early on in the Mac's life, and Apple made most Macs very easy to work on, until Steve came back and the creep towards less access began.
The earliest Macs were difficult, if not impossible, to upgrade in any meaningful way. That was by design. Steve Jobs wanted the Macintosh to be a toaster, which is to say, something that "just worked" and never needed to be tinkered with. It wasn't until the Macintosh Plus that Apple offered a Mac that could be upgraded internally, and I believe only the RAM could be upgraded. (Unless we count the Macintosh XL, but that was a re-branded Lisa II with a Mac operating system running in emulation, so it's usually ignored.) Though, it should be noted that an earlier Mac could be upgraded to a Macintosh Plus by removing the original guts and replacing them with a Macintosh Plus upgrade kit sold by Apple.
@@pentagen Yes, they were far, FAR behind the x86 world. By 1992 Apple was a company with no future and nothing to offer. How they managed to survive was itself a minor miracle.
@@jendib They are expandable but they're also not. You cabt change the cpu or ram sure, but storage, gpus and other stuff can easily go through the thunderbolt ports. And yes it is expensive but the majority of people who use macs arent using them for gaming or windows, so if you want those, go build a pc
@@NaokisRC The RAM is the only thing which is disappointing that they stopped allowing upgrades for. Their purchase upgrade prices for RAM and disk have and always will be criminally expensive compared to what they should be.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: You, LGR, Techmoan, and any other vintage computing UA-camrs should make a movie where you're all in an Oregon Trail type environment, with vintage computers tied in somehow.
A reality show. Or a game about reality show contestants running into a few challenges. It could be the next collaboration of between Ron Gilbert and Gary Winnick in the style of Thimbleweed Park :D
Well done! Though I am a bit disappointed I didn't find out which one of you died of dysentery. :) A former teacher of mine gave me his old LC II when he retired. He had a bunch of old Apple II software with it, along with that breakout cable and a 5.25 inch floppy drive. Until this video, I had no idea that card was responsible for running all of the Apple II software on that machine. Thanks!
@@rusolarusso8372 Not obscure at all, it was very high-profile and even today it's easily sourced. So popular that there were tons of Taiwan clones... also available on eBay today. There are even modern-day reinterpretations of the SoftCard.
Or even deeper still... I had the PCPI Appli-Card. It was a faster Z80 card that had its own RAM, and instead of stopping the 6502, it was left running to handle IO for the Z80.
Great to have if you want to run CP/M on your Apple ][ or ][+. I don't have the Z-80 Softcard itself, but I do have a brochure from this company called MicroSoft (spelled that way!).
@@bobblum5973 My home PC at the time was a Apple IIe Clone.. It had the Apple Soft Z80 CP/M card. It was a wierd computer as It could run most apple software. Except Appleworks. The most popular productivitty software title on the Apple II series. So we just used Apple Dos 3.3, VisiCalc and Wordstar insteead under CP/M.
6:08 I hereby demand that all of you get together and make a short movie/video where you all survive in an Oregon Trail inspired world, but with obsolete tech somehow involved.
My middle school/ school system in general was doing the same thing all the way up till around 95/96 while having a slow transition to a combo of lower end Mac's, IBM PS/2 DOS/3.11 desktops, and just a couple years later adding in DELL, and Gateway Windows 95/98 machines till I got out in 2000.
My elementary school continued to use Apple IIgs's up until 1997/98. Learned how to type on them as well. I also had a chance to use an Macintosh LC II with an Apple II card. I vaguely remember it having trouble reading some Apple II disks on occasion. Instead of launching the program on the disk it would prompt the user to format the disk...
Ha, you were on my booger'd keyboard from '91 in 1st grade playing the same thing. With similar fond memories of Math Munchers....which I never would have remembered on my own :-)
I used to work for a school district's IT back in the 90's. I remember configuring a load of LC and Performa systems with these cards. I though that was SO cool! A couple years later we setup some Performa 6100s with the DOS Compatibility Card so the teachers could access the grading system that sat on a Novell NetWare server. UGH, what a nightmare THAT was!
It was amazing to see this. Remember going to Computer city in ATX and seeing these cards installed in a Quadra with a full page display. Seemed like a great idea especially for schools that had a lot of money invested in apple II and wanted to upgrade to macs. Thank you for creating this
As always, I'll stay around for the next episode! A new 8-Bit Guy episode is *always* cause for celebration 'round these parts, and this one does not disappoint!
I had no idea that LC meant Low Cost. Our family's second computer after the Macintosh was the LCII, and I always vaguely wondered if it stood for anything!
It was frequently referred to as the "Little Crappy" because it was actually a horribly compromised machine, far slower than it should have been, because it was running a 32 bit processor on a 16 bit data bus. lowendmac.com/2014/mac-lc-a-compromised-mac/ The LC II repeated the mistake. The LC III was actually a really good machine, as was the 68040 LC 475/Quadra 605 (which was essentially the same computer in slightly different plastics).
@@jonc4403 Knowing what I know now, I agree with you. But as a teen in the early 90s, my parents upgrading from a Mac Plus to an LCII, man it was like all my Christmases came at once. It might have been a bit hobbled, but it had colour, and stacks of the new games like Lemmings, Sim City 2000, Space Quest and Vette. Those were truly great days for me.
I remember seeing the Apple II series in grade school! (the IIGS upgrade blew my mind as a kid.... I remember there WAS a special demo disk that taught you how to use the mouse?! but aside from that not really sure how many games used the mouse.) so I was definitely excited to hear about this episode.... seems like a neat piece of tech! (and that hidden mode, had to wonder if apple was experimenting with backward compatibility back then?!)
I learned how to code on an Apple 2c. It was at the school I cleaned. I used my lunch hour and breaks to use the lessons that were with the computer on how computers work and how to write code.
Thank you for trying out all the equipment I've had here for years that I've never tried. I have the LC II, the Color Classic, IIe Card, joystick floppy cable, and 5.25 drive but I was never a IIe user and have no software nor nostalgic ties to it. I went from C-64 to Macintosh XL to LC and was aware of it in the day and now finally get to see it working. Got me curious that it worked with later models and found it should also work with my Quadra 605!
Man, this video brings back memories I didn't even know I had, lol!! I grew up using Apple IIe machines in elementary school and early middle school and then Apple IIgs machines in late middle school. I forgot all about Number Muncher!! I remember that game and some other game about walking around a virtual house and having to turn off lights and electronic items to save energy... don't remember the name of that though unfortunately. I might just have to grab a Apple IIe emulator to mess with now, hahaha!! Great video as usual, love your videos!! Keep up the great work!!! :)
@@Chaos89P Thanks, I will have to look into that!! I have so many older Mac laptops and such at home that my wife would shoot me if I bought more, lol!! :)
Cool! I don’t know how I’d never heard of this. My dad picked up lots of old Apple from schools over the years. I guess this answers how Apple handled the Apple II to Mac transition. I knew they handled the PowerPC and Intel transitions well, but until today I didn’t know how they had handled this transition.
Great video. I was born in 84 so these computers are only in my memory at the very start. I did use these computers in grade school and of course I played the heck outta the trail. It's great seeing people keeping the spirit of this stuff alive
@@d2factotum Not in the early days. In 1980 our (British) school had an Apple II Europlus. Number of pupils: 1800. Number of computers: 1. Number of people who knew how to operate it: 0.5 (me, 11 years old). The BBC Micro wasn't around for a few more years.
I was at school in that timeframe (born 1970) and none of the schools I attended had any sort of computers until I was in middle school (1 BBC micro). Upper school had an entire computer lab which was full of RM 480Zs and one RM Nimbus.
Still my favourite classic Sci-Fi series after all this time. Classic Dr. Who is a close 2nd. Avon had some brilliant lines. Sadly, we lost Paul Darrow recently.... :(
@@afloyd4976 plenty of people do it all the time for various reasons. It's not til years later they regret that decision. It's what makes preservation so important
oregon trail really brings back memories of my childhood playing math games and oregon trail at my elementary school on the Apple IIe as a kid. I loved playing the ultima games though I did so on my friends mac/apple IIe and a little latter in the late 80s on my C64. I loved the personal computers of the 80s they were so much fun and really got me into computing as a kid and later as an adult too. The C64 and Amiga systems will always have a special place in my heart, though I did love my SNES too, there was just something special about those early days of computer gaming that really made it a different kind of experience from console gaming at the time. DOS games on those first IBM compatible PC systems with Cyrix or Intel Pentium processors were amazing and so full of creativity and ingenuity. Thanks for providing a place for all us old computer/gaming nerds to relive some of those fond memories of our youth!
AppleWorks does recognize the year 2019. However you need a version of ProDOS that also does, as it looks for ProDOS to interrupt the dates.
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I wondered where the recent traffic on my music came from and now I see this video. Thanks again David, always appreciate my music being used! And a very interesting video, from times when Apple made actually revolutionary computers.
Hey David, love the Blake's 7 shirt! It's a weird coincidence since my wife and I were supposed to watch an episode of Blake's 7 and I turned this video on instead.
Had a 386sx bridgeboard in mine, dedicated harddrive, and even a combo graphics/sound card that had 16-bit audio and 1280x1024 graphics mode that outshined the native amiga modes.
David, thank you for yet another enjoyable video. You're making me think about digging out my old Apple ][+ to see if it still works. It's so old the cover doesn't say "Plus", it's an original ][ that the store upgraded with the floating point Applesoft BASIC ROMs from the integer BASIC ones. I never had Apple Disk ][ drives, used cassette tapes until I got a good deal on two Franklin clone drives. I've never wanted to part with it, had it about 41 years now, one owner.
Loved the vid. We had these systems when I was in grade school being the IIc, IIc+, IIe and II-GS. I knew I couldn't run the GS software on the older units and the II-GS didn't even have the 5.25" floppy for me to even try. I didn't even know this card existed. That is some really cool stuff right there!
Yup not only the emulated disks but also the graphics emulation works through this dual port ram. At least that's how it works on a commodore bridge board, which is a pc emulation card for the Amiga bigbox computers
I would think it could have been technically possible-- at a cost, but it seems to me Tramiel didn't care about Atari's technology and brought over his own. He was more interested in beating Commodore to market against their new system. It also seemed like everyone was let go after he came to Atari. Just about everything they had in the pipeline (including the first option to have the Amiga) was ignored or cancelled. Now they did release the Atari 8bit in the form of the XE gaming console, so I guess he did use some Atari tech after the release of the ST, but by the time it came out, it was so dated, that hardly anyone cared.
ST XFormer was eventually released which allowed ST users to emulate an 8-bit. I don't remember when it was released. It was also software based, so I don't think it was very fast. Reality though was that a 65XE was $99. Developing a card or add-on like the Supercharger would cost quite a bit of $$$ and resources. In the end, Atari would have probably needed to charge MORE than $99 to make up for the development costs. Simply not worth it. Note that the big difference with Apple IIs is that they still cost hundreds of dollars more than the $250 card as mentioned.
Wow that is really cool...I never new about that card! We still used Apple IIe systems when I was in high school in the early 90s. When I started my first tech job in 97 all of the systems that could use that card were already out of commission and I can't recall anyone mentioning it (I still remember the stock room piled high with IIgs systems however). This card reminds me of my first Macintosh which had a 486 PC card in it that allowed me to play Wizardry and other games....and even Windows 95. It was always good for a gag when I'd distract someone and hit a few buttons and when they turned back they'd see Windows on the screen. :)
The first apple electronics ever was sold for 666,66 , the logo represents the forbidden fruit of the garden of eden (genesis:bible) with a bite out of it to mock god. we can probably agree that technology and associated social apps have destroyed the social fabrics of how society works, riped social interactions appart, mostly young people (but also "adults") live for others opinion, acknowledgement, status and so on. sadly enough, on most bus stops, train stations almost everyone is just glued to their phone screen. Seen the same at restaurants, couples going out together for dinner & paying atention to their phones letting it distract a nice moment
I remember seeing an old apple 2 in my music teachers shelf in the classroom and I fixed it in another class, metal shop.. we had electronic parts there. It was a fun machine to tinker with.
My family had an LC II and our next door neighbour had an original LC with Apple IIe card. I was always a bit envious that they had the Apple IIe card as it meant being able to bring school work home and vice versa. But we had a Video Spigot card taking up that slot (in retrospect - that was awesome as it allowed us to connect our VCR and even games consoles to the Mac. I got over it pretty quickly when our school upgraded to Macs. Then I forgot about the Apple II for many years.
The one I always lusted for was Atari 400 (800!) and Star Raiders. I never got one! I also always wanted an Atari ST but they went broke before I could afford one.
Amiga was to take over the world! AOC types existed even back then. The home computer market in 83 left few on store shelves at Christmas time. I could only find the Atari 600XL. Awesome as it could run all the 2600 game cartridges and you could program in true IBM basic.
It might be technically feasible for the Apple IIe. For the original Apple II, things look less favourable: The default 4KB RAM will never be enough, when expanded to 48KB, you still have less RAM than the C64, but perhaps with hard effort, you could squeeze it in 48K.
In fourth grade, we used Apple IIe's. I can still remember playing Oregon Trail using a 5 1/4 floppy. My mind was blown when I got to junior high and we started using Windows XP machines. It was quite a jarring leap.
I still have my IIe with disk drives and 128K RAM. In the past, I had a Vectorio which was a Japanese clone with built-in 80 column card and disk drives. I remember fondly picking up a bare-board from Akihabara, populating it with parts from the dealers under the train station there and the many hours of debugging the clone keyboard, power supply and a converted TV set to display graphics. I had a good friend that really understood the Apple's ins and outs who supplied me with good data and schematics back in the time that was pre-internet and nearly pre-modem BBS software. This was truly the dark ages of computing connectivity!
Come to think of it, I recall the Macs in the computer lab of one of the schools I attended years back all having this card in them. However, I think they only had the Apple Works software for it.
I still have my very same Apple IIGS from when I was a kid, it has all original components still working with keyboard & mouse and monitor, also both 5 1/4" and 3 1/2" disc drives. I also have the original Apple Ram Expansion card with it. It was actually my first computer that was my own in my room, even though we had several family computers in the den before that and funny enough they were all DOS and Windows computers, the IIGS was the only Apple computer I ever had as a kid. I was definitely more familiar with DOS.
Informative video. I graduated high school in '79, headed off to engineering school. My recollection is I had only a vague knowledge that there may be personal computers people somewhere were using. I had excellent math and science teachers, but I don't believe they even mentioned PCs. We were forced in our senior year to create an interface from an 8085 to a teletype machine, and I remember thinking that the teletype seemed archaic. However, the most advanced thing we used for a display were the 7 segment displays on the SDK kit. It wasn't until I worked on a flight test for GE in '86 that I first used a PC - a Mac. We used VAX mainframes for all our work at the office. I know most of this if off topic - one comment you made set me thinking. When I went into education in 92', the school had a bunch of IIEs and we converted to LCII and LCIII.
Nice piece of hardware, just a curious thought are you going to explore the IIgs in the near future? And my honest opinion the IIgs should have been the successor in the apple line not the Mac!
I often wonder if the IIgs line could have really competed with the IBM PC if it had been given the proper support. It certainly could have run with the ST and Amiga. Alas, The Woz's engineering prowess was no match for the intoxicating bouquet of Jobs's own farts.
@@ThetaReactor Probably not because of IBM PC pricing. It's always the main reason that platform took off. (And now all Macs are IBM PCs since 2006, but without the reason to be expensive anymore.) I don't think the IIgs should have been the successor simply because, without the Mac, the IIgs wouldn't have been what it became (GUI, the software library etc.). The many things that made the IIgs so good originated on Mac, which pioneered and took many blows in its stead. Still, I do think the IIgs is one of the coolest computers of all time.
Speaking of the IIgs, and as a follow-up to this video, one could consider making a video on Apple's official IIgs emulator called GUS. The backstory is very similar to this video regarding the Apple IIe, except it's about the Apple IIgs.
@@RedHairdo While GUS was developed in-house by some Apple engineers, it wasn't officially supported by Apple. Apparently it was given to some schools in an unofficial capacity, but Apple was very secretive about this at the time.
4:57 Seeing that startup again unlocked some Nostalgia for me back in my Elementary School days. I don't remember which Apple Model we had at the time, But it had the same card to be able to play IIe stuff (I think it was mostly used for either one of the Muncher games, Oregon Trail or Odell Lake)
Other than having to source chips from a real 64 to make it, no, nothing really stopping you. Commodore could have done it back then if they wanted to. Now you could do it all in an FPGA, but that's sort of cheating and I think you'd at least want an option for a real SID if nothing else.
amazing video which brings me back to the early 80's when I owned a cloned Apple IIe in Hong Kong, as a university student !!!! And the old days of developing Apple IIe BASIC, the Zilog Z80 card which emulates unix-like scripting...good old days as tech guy.
"Nice wood grain on the wagon!" said LGR.
"You have typhoid." said Dr. Mix
LGR keeping everyone alive by making sandwiches.
Techmoan buys a dashcam for the wagon.
“WELCOME to another river crossing... thing...” - - - LGR
Meanwhile, LMNC was busy building a synthesizer from sticks, straw and spit
I believe in this particular version you also can visit thrift shops to equip your party
Always enjoy seeing these alternate system possibilities on classic Macs. Been messing with an x86 DOS compatibility card recently myself!
Also: with enough bacon and bullets, I have no doubt all five of us would survive the trek to Oregon 😁
Probably you end like in American Dad xD
Pro tip: it's the 90s man!! Let's take dad's car!!!
Not to mention a wood grain gun, to go with the bullets of course.
hi
Bacon is essential
6:06
Techmoan have died of dysentery. Oh eck!!
LGR has a broken arm.
Dr Mix has typhoid
LMNC has a snakebite.
Eight-Bit has a broken leg.
Thanks, I was wondering who would be the one to die of dysentery.
*flippin' eck!!
....and Nostalgia Nerd was very very disappointed
of course techmoan died of dysentery, he shits himself over every little negative thing anyway
Probably ended up drinking water sourced downhill from the graveyard again!
Wow! Awesome to be in your 1848 party 😁❤️👍🙌
hi
luv Doctor Mix :O)
did you guys make it into 1849? :)
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Hahaha I would be more than happy being in that party 😂. Amazing!!! 1848 wouldn’t know what hit em!!
hi
your the wee guy that looks like Harry Enfield's long lost son right ?
@LOOK MUM NO COMPUTER lol
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As soon as he mentioned you in the video I wondered if you’d pop up in the comments, and sure enough!
11:35 Wow from take apart with no tools required to fighting for the right to fix.
Woz was really big on making things easy to work on with the Apple II series. Jobs less so, though he left Apple early on in the Mac's life, and Apple made most Macs very easy to work on, until Steve came back and the creep towards less access began.
@uni blab Liberals? We're not talking politics here. Go to bed, Grandpa.
The earliest Macs were difficult, if not impossible, to upgrade in any meaningful way. That was by design. Steve Jobs wanted the Macintosh to be a toaster, which is to say, something that "just worked" and never needed to be tinkered with.
It wasn't until the Macintosh Plus that Apple offered a Mac that could be upgraded internally, and I believe only the RAM could be upgraded. (Unless we count the Macintosh XL, but that was a re-branded Lisa II with a Mac operating system running in emulation, so it's usually ignored.)
Though, it should be noted that an earlier Mac could be upgraded to a Macintosh Plus by removing the original guts and replacing them with a Macintosh Plus upgrade kit sold by Apple.
@@pentagen Yes, they were far, FAR behind the x86 world. By 1992 Apple was a company with no future and nothing to offer. How they managed to survive was itself a minor miracle.
@@ultrametric9317 You can thank Microsoft :)
whoa it's incredible how customizable and upgradable the early apple computers were, the total opposite of the current apple.
very illustrative video.
Because you could install one card? Ever hear of Thunderbolt..? ;-) Technically they're far more expandable today.
@@nickwallette6201 No they are definitely not :)
@@jendib The Mac Pros are, you can Upgrade anything from CPU to graphics card.
@@jendib They are expandable but they're also not. You cabt change the cpu or ram sure, but storage, gpus and other stuff can easily go through the thunderbolt ports. And yes it is expensive but the majority of people who use macs arent using them for gaming or windows, so if you want those, go build a pc
@@NaokisRC The RAM is the only thing which is disappointing that they stopped allowing upgrades for. Their purchase upgrade prices for RAM and disk have and always will be criminally expensive compared to what they should be.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: You, LGR, Techmoan, and any other vintage computing UA-camrs should make a movie where you're all in an Oregon Trail type environment, with vintage computers tied in somehow.
Hear hear
Oregan Trail + Terminator, and that version of skynet is weirdly vulnerable to vintage tech
@@UNSCPILOT I guess it's been modernized so much it doesn't seem to worry about what vintage tech can do, or possibly doesn't even know it exists
them filming in costume a recreation of an Oregon trail game
A reality show. Or a game about reality show contestants running into a few challenges. It could be the next collaboration of between Ron Gilbert and Gary Winnick in the style of Thimbleweed Park :D
LGR is not happy you didn't have Duke along.
Or Anyone.
LGR HAS DIED OF DYSENTERY.
@@ivuldivul it happens suck it up
Well done! Though I am a bit disappointed I didn't find out which one of you died of dysentery. :)
A former teacher of mine gave me his old LC II when he retired. He had a bunch of old Apple II software with it, along with that breakout cable and a 5.25 inch floppy drive. Until this video, I had no idea that card was responsible for running all of the Apple II software on that machine. Thanks!
Well, looks like the price of these cards just doubled.🤑
Well crap.
P E R H A P S
CAPITALISM HO!
demand is up prices are up!
Pretty much how it works!
They were already ridiculous...
Now you need to go one level deeper. There was a Z80 card for the Apple II which was actually Microsoft's biggest money-maker for a time.
the obscure but essential at the time, SoftCard.
@@rusolarusso8372 Not obscure at all, it was very high-profile and even today it's easily sourced. So popular that there were tons of Taiwan clones... also available on eBay today. There are even modern-day reinterpretations of the SoftCard.
Or even deeper still... I had the PCPI Appli-Card. It was a faster Z80 card that had its own RAM, and instead of stopping the 6502, it was left running to handle IO for the Z80.
Great to have if you want to run CP/M on your Apple ][ or ][+. I don't have the Z-80 Softcard itself, but I do have a brochure from this company called MicroSoft (spelled that way!).
@@bobblum5973 My home PC at the time was a Apple IIe Clone.. It had the Apple Soft Z80 CP/M card. It was a wierd computer as It could run most apple software. Except Appleworks. The most popular productivitty software title on the Apple II series. So we just used Apple Dos 3.3, VisiCalc and Wordstar insteead under CP/M.
6:08 I hereby demand that all of you get together and make a short movie/video where you all survive in an Oregon Trail inspired world, but with obsolete tech somehow involved.
Or just do a stream of them playing the game.
Netflix will do it.
The Tyttuutface cool idea😈
Only if they bring Stuart Ashen along.
back to the year 1970, except there are no cars, only vintage tech and electricity, no running water - post apocalyse
Poor Anders E. Jensen, not being included on your expedition.
His family didn't immigrate to the US. So no Jensen fore fathers to visit "back to the future".
And yet Techmoan's in the north west of England, so also not a US migrant... :P
@@twocvbloke Indeed. Look Mum No Computer is also English - from down South.
better for him, he don't have to die of dysentery
My school was using appleIIs all the way into 1996 when I was in first grade computer class
That math game brought back a flood of memories
My middle school/ school system in general was doing the same thing all the way up till around 95/96 while having a slow transition to a combo of lower end Mac's, IBM PS/2 DOS/3.11 desktops, and just a couple years later adding in DELL, and Gateway Windows 95/98 machines till I got out in 2000.
Math Munchers 🤓
I graduated from high school in 1979 barely knowing what a computer was! Now get off my lawn!
My elementary school continued to use Apple IIgs's up until 1997/98. Learned how to type on them as well. I also had a chance to use an Macintosh LC II with an Apple II card. I vaguely remember it having trouble reading some Apple II disks on occasion. Instead of launching the program on the disk it would prompt the user to format the disk...
Ha, you were on my booger'd keyboard from '91 in 1st grade playing the same thing. With similar fond memories of Math Munchers....which I never would have remembered on my own :-)
I used to work for a school district's IT back in the 90's. I remember configuring a load of LC and Performa systems with these cards. I though that was SO cool! A couple years later we setup some Performa 6100s with the DOS Compatibility Card so the teachers could access the grading system that sat on a Novell NetWare server. UGH, what a nightmare THAT was!
I enjoyed the information on the Apple 2 but really want to know who died first of dysentery playing the Oregon Trail in your party?
Yes, a good question!
Frank broke his leg 3 times then died
thaddeus mcgrath hi mr cat
@@australia-hungary2762 Hello kind person. I really have two black cats, and both as interesting as the picture.
@@australia-hungary2762 is your name a reference to countryballs?
Thanks for the upload David, Great vid as always!
My elementary school computer lab had this exact same setup, the Mac LCII with the Apple II cards. Thanks for bringing back those memories.
It was amazing to see this. Remember going to Computer city in ATX and seeing these cards installed in a Quadra with a full page display. Seemed like a great idea especially for schools that had a lot of money invested in apple II and wanted to upgrade to macs. Thank you for creating this
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Great video! I love when you show and walk us through schematics!
As always, I'll stay around for the next episode! A new 8-Bit Guy episode is *always* cause for celebration 'round these parts, and this one does not disappoint!
These vids always cheer me up when I'm not feeling good. Best content on UA-cam right here
I had no idea that LC meant Low Cost. Our family's second computer after the Macintosh was the LCII, and I always vaguely wondered if it stood for anything!
It was frequently referred to as the "Little Crappy" because it was actually a horribly compromised machine, far slower than it should have been, because it was running a 32 bit processor on a 16 bit data bus. lowendmac.com/2014/mac-lc-a-compromised-mac/ The LC II repeated the mistake. The LC III was actually a really good machine, as was the 68040 LC 475/Quadra 605 (which was essentially the same computer in slightly different plastics).
@@jonc4403 Knowing what I know now, I agree with you. But as a teen in the early 90s, my parents upgrading from a Mac Plus to an LCII, man it was like all my Christmases came at once. It might have been a bit hobbled, but it had colour, and stacks of the new games like Lemmings, Sim City 2000, Space Quest and Vette. Those were truly great days for me.
I remember seeing the Apple II series in grade school! (the IIGS upgrade blew my mind as a kid.... I remember there WAS a special demo disk that taught you how to use the mouse?! but aside from that not really sure how many games used the mouse.) so I was definitely excited to hear about this episode.... seems like a neat piece of tech! (and that hidden mode, had to wonder if apple was experimenting with backward compatibility back then?!)
Ok, I just love the music in this video for some reason. Also, would watch anything that you upload, keep it up!!!
As a proud Apple 2 c and Franklin ace 500 owner I love when you do Apple videos. I always learn so much. Thank you
I read "Apple LIE on card".
Must reduce watching "Rossmanm Repair Shop" channel.
To be fair, Louis would like that system. Easily user rpairable!
@@HappyBeezerStudios To be fair, Louis is the actual lie
What do you mean?
@@smellincoffee yes
me too. PR#6
I learned how to code on an Apple 2c. It was at the school I cleaned. I used my lunch hour and breaks to use the lessons that were with the computer on how computers work and how to write code.
Awesome! Always fascinating to learn how people got into coding! :)
Thank you for trying out all the equipment I've had here for years that I've never tried. I have the LC II, the Color Classic, IIe Card, joystick floppy cable, and 5.25 drive but I was never a IIe user and have no software nor nostalgic ties to it. I went from C-64 to Macintosh XL to LC and was aware of it in the day and now finally get to see it working. Got me curious that it worked with later models and found it should also work with my Quadra 605!
Yes! I have one, but no working LC to pair it with. Very glad to see it covered and in action.
Man, this video brings back memories I didn't even know I had, lol!! I grew up using Apple IIe machines in elementary school and early middle school and then Apple IIgs machines in late middle school. I forgot all about Number Muncher!! I remember that game and some other game about walking around a virtual house and having to turn off lights and electronic items to save energy... don't remember the name of that though unfortunately. I might just have to grab a Apple IIe emulator to mess with now, hahaha!!
Great video as usual, love your videos!! Keep up the great work!!! :)
You might want to go for an Apple LC emulator, if those exist. AppleWin does fine for just standard ][e emulation.
@@Chaos89P Thanks, I will have to look into that!! I have so many older Mac laptops and such at home that my wife would shoot me if I bought more, lol!! :)
Cool! I don’t know how I’d never heard of this. My dad picked up lots of old Apple from schools over the years.
I guess this answers how Apple handled the Apple II to Mac transition. I knew they handled the PowerPC and Intel transitions well, but until today I didn’t know how they had handled this transition.
Must have been a lot harder since the early Macs were big-endian and the Apple II never was
@@williamdrum9899 The early Macs had very little educational software. You didn’t start seeings Macs in schools where I lived until the late 80s.
Fantastic I was a Brazilian user of "Apple // e" at the end of the 80's and 90's.
How many good memories. Thank you very much for your good work.
I like your videos and watch them from time to time as I started in the Sinclair area.
2:04 I remember playing Number Munchers on an Apple II as early as Kindergarten back in 1994.
We had a similar card for our IBM PC compatible computer. It required Appe II disk drives to work.
Wow, this brings back memories. My middle and high school used the Apple IIe even into the late 90s. Ours had the green monochrome screen, though.
Great video. I was born in 84 so these computers are only in my memory at the very start. I did use these computers in grade school and of course I played the heck outta the trail. It's great seeing people keeping the spirit of this stuff alive
Thumbs-up for the Blakes 7 t-shirt. Period correct for the Apple IIe!
Albeit not *country* correct--the IIe was never really a thing in British schools, we had the BBC micro instead.
@@d2factotum Not in the early days. In 1980 our (British) school had an Apple II Europlus. Number of pupils: 1800. Number of computers: 1. Number of people who knew how to operate it: 0.5 (me, 11 years old). The BBC Micro wasn't around for a few more years.
I was at school in that timeframe (born 1970) and none of the schools I attended had any sort of computers until I was in middle school (1 BBC micro). Upper school had an entire computer lab which was full of RM 480Zs and one RM Nimbus.
Still my favourite classic Sci-Fi series after all this time. Classic Dr. Who is a close 2nd. Avon had some brilliant lines. Sadly, we lost Paul Darrow recently.... :(
Woah! my dad had an Apple II with everything but sadly somehow it had been thrown out, I never got to use it but it is a pretty cool computer
PolyMono - Keys Who throws away perfectly good computer equipment?
@@afloyd4976 plenty of people do it all the time for various reasons. It's not til years later they regret that decision. It's what makes preservation so important
A Floyd no idea
Let me guess, the woman threw it out.
@@afloyd4976 I traded my apple 2e platinum for a Cadillac. Had no money in the computer. And hey, I got a Cadillac for it.
Thanks for the Vid ! It’s kinda feels throw back to the ibookguy days .
oregon trail really brings back memories of my childhood playing math games and oregon trail at my elementary school on the Apple IIe as a kid. I loved playing the ultima games though I did so on my friends mac/apple IIe and a little latter in the late 80s on my C64. I loved the personal computers of the 80s they were so much fun and really got me into computing as a kid and later as an adult too. The C64 and Amiga systems will always have a special place in my heart, though I did love my SNES too, there was just something special about those early days of computer gaming that really made it a different kind of experience from console gaming at the time. DOS games on those first IBM compatible PC systems with Cyrix or Intel Pentium processors were amazing and so full of creativity and ingenuity. Thanks for providing a place for all us old computer/gaming nerds to relive some of those fond memories of our youth!
It's really interesting that this video comes out right after I randomly watch the old Mac vs apple IIgs video where this card is mentioned
When something like that happens: a wizard did it.
AppleWorks does recognize the year 2019. However you need a version of ProDOS that also does, as it looks for ProDOS to interrupt the dates.
I wondered where the recent traffic on my music came from and now I see this video. Thanks again David, always appreciate my music being used! And a very interesting video, from times when Apple made actually revolutionary computers.
Thank you David! My first contact with game programming (basic) was on an Apple II!!!!!
"And then I have two ProDOS partitions"
You must construct additional pylons!
You left out technology connections on the Oregon trail party
I have absolutely no clue about technology or computers... but I bet I'm not the only one that keeps returning and loves your videos!
The sound of components crunching in to place, that sound never gets old...
I suspect the second half the memory on that card was a memory buffer to the Mac side, used as a graphics buffer and the like.
Actually called - Dual Port Memory for memory swapping.
Hey David, love the Blake's 7 shirt!
It's a weird coincidence since my wife and I were supposed to watch an episode of Blake's 7 and I turned this video on instead.
I still remember seeing those LC 2's at grade school and loved em. I still think it's one of the best looking designs of all time.
Dear The 8-Bit Guy,
Each of your videos are a masterpiece. Thank you so much for your contents :
The Amiga DID, however, have a PC card. RetroManCave covered this in one of his videos.
Had a 386sx bridgeboard in mine, dedicated harddrive, and even a combo graphics/sound card that had 16-bit audio and 1280x1024 graphics mode that outshined the native amiga modes.
I love your videos. Bu it drives me nuts that you run your Commodore 128 in C64 mode for the opening. For the love of god, led the green screen live!
David, thank you for yet another enjoyable video. You're making me think about digging out my old Apple ][+ to see if it still works. It's so old the cover doesn't say "Plus", it's an original ][ that the store upgraded with the floating point Applesoft BASIC ROMs from the integer BASIC ones. I never had Apple Disk ][ drives, used cassette tapes until I got a good deal on two Franklin clone drives. I've never wanted to part with it, had it about 41 years now, one owner.
Thank you very much. A well-scripted video which brings back old memories of the Apple IIe 🙏
Love surprises like this on a Sunday night excellent way to close out my weekend!
This guy needs to have a tv show, maybe for his restorations
Loved the vid. We had these systems when I was in grade school being the IIc, IIc+, IIe and II-GS. I knew I couldn't run the GS software on the older units and the II-GS didn't even have the 5.25" floppy for me to even try. I didn't even know this card existed. That is some really cool stuff right there!
Thanks for filming and posting. Interesting as usual! Big thumbs up.
If I were to guess I'd say the "split" RAM is how the LC II talks to the Apple II core and vice-versa, probably mainly used for the emulated disks?
Yup not only the emulated disks but also the graphics emulation works through this dual port ram. At least that's how it works on a commodore bridge board, which is a pc emulation card for the Amiga bigbox computers
Darn, I was hoping to see some Oregon Trail! Could have seen LGR die of Dysentery lol
Great video! You knocked it out of the park with this one.
Look who's very close to reaching 1 Million subscribers! That's very cool! Keep up the great work!
Poor LGR Oregon trail is very unforgiving. Breaking a leg or dieing from dysentery...
Aw man. I was hoping this was some kind of Apple IIe single board computer. Still a cool add on though.
Me too 😥
I admit that I never saw this video before and find it fascinating. Also got a kick out of your Blake’s 7 t-shirt. 👍
This takes me back! I remember playing Oregon Trail in my elementary school computer lab on an Apple II gs. At home I had a C64, though.
Atari could have done this with the Atari 8-bit line on the Atari ST/TT/Falcon030.
Should have!
I would think it could have been technically possible-- at a cost, but it seems to me Tramiel didn't care about Atari's technology and brought over his own. He was more interested in beating Commodore to market against their new system. It also seemed like everyone was let go after he came to Atari. Just about everything they had in the pipeline (including the first option to have the Amiga) was ignored or cancelled. Now they did release the Atari 8bit in the form of the XE gaming console, so I guess he did use some Atari tech after the release of the ST, but by the time it came out, it was so dated, that hardly anyone cared.
ST XFormer was eventually released which allowed ST users to emulate an 8-bit. I don't remember when it was released. It was also software based, so I don't think it was very fast. Reality though was that a 65XE was $99. Developing a card or add-on like the Supercharger would cost quite a bit of $$$ and resources. In the end, Atari would have probably needed to charge MORE than $99 to make up for the development costs. Simply not worth it. Note that the big difference with Apple IIs is that they still cost hundreds of dollars more than the $250 card as mentioned.
I had a supercharger on the 2600, every single game on that system was utterly amazing.
@@puffpuffin1 Yea, good points. I knew the guy who wrote XFormer. Really smart guy. Great to have a conversation with.
Our school had Apple IIe card in the Macintosh LC to run old educational games like Number Munchers, and those old Brøderbund games!
Wow that is really cool...I never new about that card! We still used Apple IIe systems when I was in high school in the early 90s. When I started my first tech job in 97 all of the systems that could use that card were already out of commission and I can't recall anyone mentioning it (I still remember the stock room piled high with IIgs systems however). This card reminds me of my first Macintosh which had a 486 PC card in it that allowed me to play Wizardry and other games....and even Windows 95. It was always good for a gag when I'd distract someone and hit a few buttons and when they turned back they'd see Windows on the screen. :)
My middle school computer lab in the early to mid 90s had every Apple computer you talked about in this video and more.
Thank you for saving me from random UA-cam recommendations!!!
Me: it's 2019
Apple IIe: no it's not.
Me: it's 2019
Apple IIe: no it's not.
Me: alright goddamn it, it's 1989!
The first apple electronics ever was sold for 666,66 , the logo represents the forbidden fruit of the garden of eden (genesis:bible) with a bite out of it to mock god. we can probably agree that technology and associated social apps have destroyed the social fabrics of how society works, riped social interactions appart, mostly young people (but also "adults") live for others opinion, acknowledgement, status and so on. sadly enough, on most bus stops, train stations almost everyone is just glued to their phone screen. Seen the same at restaurants, couples going out together for dinner & paying atention to their phones letting it distract a nice moment
Actually, that was:
Me: It's 1919
Apple IIe: no it's not
It assumed that all years were 19xx.
I would've put in dec. 31. 1999 and let it run for a day just to see what would happen.
I remember seeing an old apple 2 in my music teachers shelf in the classroom and I fixed it in another class, metal shop.. we had electronic parts there. It was a fun machine to tinker with.
My family had an LC II and our next door neighbour had an original LC with Apple IIe card. I was always a bit envious that they had the Apple IIe card as it meant being able to bring school work home and vice versa. But we had a Video Spigot card taking up that slot (in retrospect - that was awesome as it allowed us to connect our VCR and even games consoles to the Mac. I got over it pretty quickly when our school upgraded to Macs. Then I forgot about the Apple II for many years.
Waiting for the Amiga video, and for a video on the other Sinclair computers.
Amiga!!
The one I always lusted for was Atari 400 (800!) and Star Raiders. I never got one! I also always wanted an Atari ST but they went broke before I could afford one.
Amiga was to take over the world! AOC types existed even back then.
The home computer market in 83 left few on store shelves at Christmas time. I could only find the Atari 600XL. Awesome as it could run all the 2600 game cartridges and you could program in true IBM basic.
Any chance of making a "Planet X2" port for the Apple II?
Different note: The game I have played most on an Apple IIe was "Prince Of Persia"
It might be technically feasible for the Apple IIe. For the original Apple II, things look less favourable: The default 4KB RAM will never be enough, when expanded to 48KB, you still have less RAM than the C64, but perhaps with hard effort, you could squeeze it in 48K.
In fourth grade, we used Apple IIe's. I can still remember playing Oregon Trail using a 5 1/4 floppy. My mind was blown when I got to junior high and we started using Windows XP machines. It was quite a jarring leap.
I just now realized the meaning of your intro. Never paid attention to it before. You "load" the episode just like a game disk. *mind blown* lol
Time to quickly order one before they explode in more popularity
Too late, they've been expensive for ten years.
do a video about how the Apple III had no built-in fans and they actually recommended you DROP the computer to re-seat cards, lol
I still have my IIe with disk drives and 128K RAM. In the past, I had a Vectorio which was a Japanese clone with built-in 80 column card and disk drives. I remember fondly picking up a bare-board from Akihabara, populating it with parts from the dealers under the train station there and the many hours of debugging the clone keyboard, power supply and a converted TV set to display graphics. I had a good friend that really understood the Apple's ins and outs who supplied me with good data and schematics back in the time that was pre-internet and nearly pre-modem BBS software. This was truly the dark ages of computing connectivity!
I've been looking for some of these 90's macs and the LC was the one I couldn't remember that I do desperately want!
Come to think of it, I recall the Macs in the computer lab of one of the schools I attended years back all having this card in them. However, I think they only had the Apple Works software for it.
There's a TG16 bootleg with Apple II titles on it!
where is this ?
Adam Henry turbografx-16? What ?? Link pls
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I still have my very same Apple IIGS from when I was a kid, it has all original components still working with keyboard & mouse and monitor, also both 5 1/4" and 3 1/2" disc drives. I also have the original Apple Ram Expansion card with it. It was actually my first computer that was my own in my room, even though we had several family computers in the den before that and funny enough they were all DOS and Windows computers, the IIGS was the only Apple computer I ever had as a kid. I was definitely more familiar with DOS.
Informative video. I graduated high school in '79, headed off to engineering school. My recollection is I had only a vague knowledge that there may be personal computers people somewhere were using. I had excellent math and science teachers, but I don't believe they even mentioned PCs. We were forced in our senior year to create an interface from an 8085 to a teletype machine, and I remember thinking that the teletype seemed archaic. However, the most advanced thing we used for a display were the 7 segment displays on the SDK kit. It wasn't until I worked on a flight test for GE in '86 that I first used a PC - a Mac. We used VAX mainframes for all our work at the office. I know most of this if off topic - one comment you made set me thinking. When I went into education in 92', the school had a bunch of IIEs and we converted to LCII and LCIII.
Nice piece of hardware, just a curious thought are you going to explore the IIgs in the near future? And my honest opinion the IIgs should have been the successor in the apple line not the Mac!
I agree it should have. But I don't plan on doing any videos about it in the near future.
I often wonder if the IIgs line could have really competed with the IBM PC if it had been given the proper support. It certainly could have run with the ST and Amiga. Alas, The Woz's engineering prowess was no match for the intoxicating bouquet of Jobs's own farts.
@@ThetaReactor Probably not because of IBM PC pricing. It's always the main reason that platform took off. (And now all Macs are IBM PCs since 2006, but without the reason to be expensive anymore.)
I don't think the IIgs should have been the successor simply because, without the Mac, the IIgs wouldn't have been what it became (GUI, the software library etc.). The many things that made the IIgs so good originated on Mac, which pioneered and took many blows in its stead. Still, I do think the IIgs is one of the coolest computers of all time.
Speaking of the IIgs, and as a follow-up to this video, one could consider making a video on Apple's official IIgs emulator called GUS. The backstory is very similar to this video regarding the Apple IIe, except it's about the Apple IIgs.
@@RedHairdo While GUS was developed in-house by some Apple engineers, it wasn't officially supported by Apple. Apparently it was given to some schools in an unofficial capacity, but Apple was very secretive about this at the time.
"Nope, not Y2K compliant so let's just put in a date"
*enters the day before my birth date*
ah yeah
you r an absolute beast of an engineer. keep it up m8
4:57 Seeing that startup again unlocked some Nostalgia for me back in my Elementary School days. I don't remember which Apple Model we had at the time, But it had the same card to be able to play IIe stuff (I think it was mostly used for either one of the Muncher games, Oregon Trail or Odell Lake)
In theory, theres nothing stopping the community from making their own C64 card for the Amiga right?
Other than having to source chips from a real 64 to make it, no, nothing really stopping you. Commodore could have done it back then if they wanted to. Now you could do it all in an FPGA, but that's sort of cheating and I think you'd at least want an option for a real SID if nothing else.
Knowledge and skills may be.
If only DTV64 chips were still produced... :(
@@KarriKoivusalo There is the FPGA64 core available for free for personal use and licenseable for commercial use.
www.syntiac.com/fpga64.html
Wouldn’t it be possible to reverse engineer the c64 Chips?
Number Munchers!!!! Be still my heart!!!
Nice Thanks for putting this Video Up Dave Murray ... I think I had this at one time ....
amazing video which brings me back to the early 80's when I owned a cloned Apple IIe in Hong Kong, as a university student !!!! And the old days of developing Apple IIe BASIC, the Zilog Z80 card which emulates unix-like scripting...good old days as tech guy.