People doom posted him so hard after all the nerfs but imagine him on release with his original kit. Jesus fucking christ it would be him + acheron for the end of this games life.
@gagefen5822 honestly though he just feels mid outside acheron teams (atleast at e0s0). Feels like acheron ruined him and I'm not looking forward to how they pullback future nihility units
@@akshayreddy4071e0s1 he’s busted. People don’t talk about it enough. He’s bis 3rd slot for Imbl teams at e0s1 and hes gives the highest damage increase when played next to a Dps solo.
Jiaoqiu is actually very loved on the CN side of HSR(people love him basically) and it helps that he's BiS for Acheron and a lot of Acheron havers have E2.)
@@Accountthatexists They just...love him? Like liking his design and hair. Also male characters are pretty popular(Jing Yuan and Aventurine were #1 & #3 on a popularity chart a few months ago)
people just hate jq cuz he doesn’t have healing and was nerfed in get this, versions that weren’t supposed to be seen by the public. People need to focus more on what he is now than what he could be 😭
im glad a prominent content creator is actually giving boothill some grace. by far the most insane unit but data doesn't reflect that due to his complexity comparative to his peers (Acheron and FF and soon to be Feixiao)
@@arionmoschettaunless you show me Boothill E6, he tends to be really just good, as you see him below yunli overall since her kit is easier and her dmg is really good.
@@arionmoschettahe posted a video 5 days ago where he used Boothill for a side of MoC and cleared quite quickly but idk about him being annoying with other male characters since yes the phrase “EEE 2 DHIL” is ingrained in my head bc of this man if that’s what you mean, but that’s just praising DHIL’s e2 and recommending it if you are a DHIL main and want to spd roll the game from what I can tell
@@arionmoschettajust don't mind them, they are nothing, but a struggling incels, that can't even take competition with pixel men. They can't even understand how Boothill's skillset work, because this is too difficult for their brainless heads)
Definitely not even close. The difference is not that big. At most, it is close to FF-RM situation if we consider only Acheron in PF, but it is still debatable.
if you care about resources better save for E2 acheron but if you want to collect more characters than eidoleon...i think JQ is a good choice for E0 acheron...less investment and more characters!
11:06 argenti biggest problem is it is a REQUIRMENT to run Tingyun AND houhou with him so he can ult more often........and he has two Chars he NEEDS leaving wigle room for ONLY 1.......which is rough
They're not a requirement, especially when Aventurine boss will refill his energy for him. It's good to have the same way Yunli wants them (this funny little word called synergy), so it's far from an argument for an "Argenti problem". He's just better equipped for other fights, like ironically his own boss form.
Boothill absolutely destroys Aventurine btw. Easiest and fastest way to avoid his dumb gambling mini game, you just shred his toughness bar and avoid the clunkiness of his boss fight. And FYI: STOP PLAYING BOOTHILL AS A SUPERBREAKER. HE IS NOT FIREFLY. Boothill/Ruan Mei/Bronya/Pela. That's the team. As long as Bronya and Boothill are 160 speed, and Boothill faster than Bronya its a very easy zero or 1 cycle. Nvm- finished watching the video and he mentioned all this lol.
Enemies being imaginary weak has nothing to do with harmony mc’s performance since as long as someone on the team can weakness break everyone benefits and does good damage thanks to her passive break effect buffs and super break
@@noice9193 super break isn't worth it for Boothill. He is not a super break character, he's a BREAK character. You want him to attack as much as possible. Giving him more and more turns is better than throwing HMC in his team just for Ruan Mei to do 90k damage in a basic attack when Boothill alone can do 600k. And that's a good thing because allow HMC to be used with Firefly in the other side. The only problem is Ruan Mei and that Mihoyo insist in giving everything for Firefly like an exclusive relic set + Gallagher/Lingsha and now Super Break Tingyun. Like please for Christs sake can you devs give a f physical support for Boothill that can help with AoE break? Or like a linker character? Hanya could be that but her kit, just like Bronya's almost doesn't work entirely with him. The Firefly favoritism is just annoying af
The thing is.... Although jq debuff percentage is just 50% (e0s0) but his uptime for inflicting debuff is just peak for acheron He is the only mf that can inflict debuff on enemies turn (counted in acheron stack)
Is it rly 50%? Wouldn’t it be 100% since you can skill + ba + ba and get his ult back plus sp positivity? His ult debuff also persists after waves iirc.
@@Mike.Erman.Trout. trend is only good because of the stack it gives. It’s not guaranteed and it was a waste of a lc slot for the sustainer. Using jiaoqiu provides trend’s whole gimmick plus a sizeable debuff. Then you can slot in qpq or aven’s click to get even more Acheron stacks.
@@Mike.Erman.Trout. but it rng, both 2 top preservation (aventurine and fuxuan) dont have taunt passive, also they need sacrifice tank or debuff (in case of aventurine sign) when use trend market
I mean this unironically Jiaoqiu is actually really fuckin good Outside Acheron teams errmm kinda questionable but if you've got Acheron Then i suggest you get him before hes gone cuz the difference with and without is night and day
It’s not that there are a lot of Seele 0 cycles, it’s that pretty much the only people still playing Seele are try-harding it in a way that the larger player base just isn’t. Popular units like Acheron and Firefly will see many more samples and their average play and gear will be much closer to “I clicked auto-equip, turned on auto, and tabbed out” than “I spent 5 months farming wind sets and 8 hours scripting for my 50 substat Seele to flex.” For perspective on Jiaoqiu + Acheron, you have to realize that Acheron came out early as the first premium 2.x dps and she had no premium teammates available. She’s tuned to out-compete 1.x dps like IL and JL with her cope teammates, and keep up with 2.x dps once she gets premium teammates. Seriously, think about the sequence of events here: - Firefly drops into a complete and synergistic team and people start feeling Acheron is struggling to keep up - Acheron gets a single premium and synergistic teammate and suddenly she’s back at parity if not a bit better than Firefly Don’t be surprised when the same script plays out with Feixiao. Acheron probably won’t truly be crept until she has an actually complete team and that gets one-upped, which will probably happen sometime mid 3.x with the current pacing of units.
lets see how broken he is when the whole MoC aint fire weak. I swear the amount of people who neglect the fire breaking he does is astonishing. If it weren't for the fire MoC he would be just a regular upgrade, but since hoyo knows how to sell, he feels hella broken rn
@@thatalbeeguyHis damage dosent even matter Bro,tf are you on? He is there to make acheron do 50 ults a turn,fire weakness or not that dosent change 😂😂
@@thatalbeeguy He builds 0 break effect, him breaking with fire barely does any damage at all and possibly reduces how many Acheron stacks his ult gives you if he delays the bosses ads and Acheron kills them before jq ult gives you a stack from them. It's likley a minor reduction if it happens, but it's not like him hitting weakness is making the team deal much more damage either.
I mean this MOC doesn't even benefit acheron or JQ at all, it's a pretty standard MoC all things considered. Just hit six times and like 10% of bosses hp is gone. Plus both of the fights are single target bosses, which benefit Boothil way more, which is why the fucking boothil, jq, acheron ,sparkle is top 4 teams in clear speed lmao
you mean kafka with lghtning res and aventurine who's literally the hardest boss to 0 cycle for most dps benefits jiaoqiu and acheron? lol even the apocalyptic shadow isn't catered towards acheron teams with the current fua feixiao propaganda.
@@ZuraJura Thats not really an issue because Jiaoqiu’s dmg vul is not a direct buff for allies but an aura debuff for enemies hence why he’s nihility rather than a harmony unit. Meaning as long as the summon does dmg to said enemy with his debuff, the buff to your team will persist, unlike Harmony units who’s buff only applies to ally character stats but could potentially not work for summons if they become more common/meta. Dmg shred and dmg vul are debuffs to the enemy that make you deal more dmg to it. Most Harmony units have direct buffs that may/may not apply to summons but that isnt an actual issue for nihility units.
@@seraphywang4638 yes I know. We all know he's a debuffer what I'm saying is he's not will be amazing as OP says but pretty good Because you just know summon harmony will be a thing
It really does suck that we don't get to see eidolons, I think they could tell a big story on how the current cycles and clears are going tbh, it doesn't matter if somethings the fastest clear if it's a 12 cost team or something lol
@@QMS9224what about mid yuan? Hes also 1.0 and is on element against aventurine (oh he also broke the top up system for hsr in the CN side). His usage/appearance rate is also similar to Seele’s, yet he is ALWAYS on the bottom of average cycles.
@@bewitted1169 not to be offensive towards gender, but take them into consideration, guys are more likely to be whales and they like cuties, jing yuan is a daddy and liked by girls who arent whaling.
@@Itami_ "guys are more likely to be whales" when Love and Deepspace hit top 5 revenue consistently since release and have even outperformed hoyoverse in many months. You just have no idea how much ladies whales for their husbando given the right condition. So it's more like the game doesn't have male dps that is broken enough or provide enough eye candy for the ladies to whale on.
Its because he was supposed to also heal. And that part of the kit was completely removed in beta due to Hoyo not wanting to boost Acheron further because they want to sell Firebreak and Fua. People got mad, and hence the doompost
@@i.t.y1140i dont really understand why people are upset about the healing. it was never good enough to solo sustain, and honestly never really mattered. i feel like its more because his numbers got nerfed iirc
i think he is considered mid because his team is very limited atm if his damage is actually good then can be thrown into dot team then i believe his value going to be increased but i heard he is on par with ruan mei on dot team so if you already have almighty ruan mei why would you pull for him? the answer is... he is for acheron and acheron only so he is strong as acheron enabler other than that he is pretty much niche
@@sydorovich2532 Thats not how this works? Trend is not guaranteed to hit for most preservation units. For an average Acheron cycle, Jiaoqiu should double the ult amount even if you had her previous bis because he basically guarantees you’ll get a Acheron stack on both enemy and all ally moves whole most the previous bis could do is 1/2 chance for land Trend and everything else is reliant on ally moves.
"Huehue which is gonna be our fastest sustain" Gallagher who he just said has a faster clear time literally 3 seconds ago: "as a History Fictionologist, I see this as an absolute win"
Good thing about Seele is you just invest into Harmony characters and leave her at E0S0 as her kit is fully working at E0S0 with f2p lightcone. People really mad that their E2S1 2.x dps is clearing in the same amount of cycles as Seele in MOC, 0 cycle pure fiction and works well in Apocalyptic Shadow in Mono Quantum.
To be fair to Rusn meis average cycle she was also the most used which means there's a lot more variation in build qualities which could lower her cycle speed
4:25 I think Seele has the lowest usage rate of limited characters, because she was the first banner, so most people have her (if they started in 1.0).
Geppie is UNDERRATED. Love my Geppie. Also so happy Jiaoqiu is outperforming what people thought of him. He is my favourite or second favourite character in the game
Reason why Seele has the highest cycles is because barely anyone uses her nowadays so the only people that do are crack head that has min-max her stats in every possible way and has her rotation mapped out in their head
How can you explain jing yuan? Is he just mid even with eidolons/superimpositions? He’s also a 1.0 character with similar usage/appearance which is why im comparing him to seele
@@bewitted1169jing yuan doesnt have fancy mechanics (could be changed with a support that buffs/advances summons) to play with that lowers his damage ceiling by a lot unlike Seele who has many techs to use/discover
From the looks of things, the ppl own him are so low to the point where everyone who got him just loves him, and wants to play him, and he's new, which is why yunli is higher than Acheron herself.
Going to be honest if you have a E2S1 acheron than even better to pull, he will be the only nihility you need, you can put a harmony in the other slot, now if you want feixao i say do not pull him, do you already have 2 good teams? do you more? or want to improve the teams you have?
I have seen someone 0 accidentally and effortlessly 0 cycle the first side off element, barely benefitting from the turbulence at all, with a sustain at e0s1, with a really relatable build and it was their first attempt. This person doesn't even do 0 cycles, it was a complete accident, that's how op Firefly is. All the "oh she only looks good because of the trio" talk is finally gone.
2:09 Let me explain why I think Jiaoqiu is higher than Acheron. If 100 people have Jiaoqiu and 80 of those use him, then he will have an 80% usage rate. While if 300 people have Acheron and 180 of them use her, then she would have a 60% usage rate. So even though more people used Acheron, Jiaoqiu will have a higher usage rate. That’s why looking at ownership rates is important. Since it shows how many of the participants have each character, which makes comparing the usage rates more useful.
Yeah because jiaoque is game changer for acheron, he increase my acheron damage until a half millions and make my acheron ulti faster, and make my acheron clear moc 3 cycle faster
Selee's been top 5 for a LOOOONG time now in terms of scores and cost efficiency and is one of the only units that's good in all 3 modes but somehow there's always people saying she's carried by x y or z or the stats are wrong or badly influenced due to x y and z, like it doesn't apply to other characters, do people want power creep that badly or smthing? 😭
This shit doesn't include eidolons. She could easily clear with 8+ cost team when FF/Boothill/Acheron/Yunli/Ratio clears with 3-4 cost without issues. 2% appearance rate vs 60% for FF, literally trolling.
I use Quantum set BH, E1 Slow RM, -1 SpD Bronya, and Multiplication Gallagher to 0 cycle Aventurine. Im genuinely shocked people got more than 3 cycles. JQ kind of destroyed the Choir side.
People are kind of downplaying the value of an upgraded Pela… and because he is an upgraded Pela he just so happens to be the best team mate for Acheron…
"I think follow up and superbreak will be good" ... in a game that basically only releases follow up and break units at this point. (I know Acheron, Sparkle and Black Swan arent...but after that it went pretty stale.) I am glad I can still beat every mode despite not having even 1 break unit. I just dislike that playstile.
Then can you explain how jq has a higher usage rate than acheron if he is only usable with her, by your logic he should be equal or less than acherons usage rate.
@@n1c3tr1ck2cause usage rate is the worst way to get an actual estimate.....cause players clearing could be very low budget OR Have an entire e6 s5 team And also there are ALOT more people who pulled acheron and skipped jiaqou......then people who pulled acheron and jiaqou
@@n1c3tr1ck2Its quite common knowledge JQ is bis for Acheron and average else where. These videos and samples shouldnt be taken as fact as someone couldve ran JQ/March 7th/Qingque/Blade.
god i just wish jiaoqiu was earnestly a good slot in other teams. mine is e0s1 and i tangibly feel the downgrade whenever i slot him anywhere in a team that is already finished.
So many people saying “Fireflop is carried by E2! Mid heron is carried by E2!” So when Feixiao drops and her usage rates are very high and average cycles are very low, will the same people complain about her E2 carrying the statistics? Oh, it’s not the same this time? I see, I see 💀
I have a e2s1 spd acheron(its crack also i have the regular build) using sparkle avent and JQ just make it possible for me to 0 cycle with spd boots i will not be shock if we are talking about my atk acheron after all she can already 0 cycle so i only use it for try hard 0 cycle but JQ just make both my spd acheron and atk acheron 0 cycle effortlessly truly the best investment i did for a while
i lose yunli but then thinking using guaranteed on jiaoqiu until i see feixiao...take me few rounds of retrying with E1 clara to beat aventurine...so RnG
Just a reminder that these numbers only count players who actually HAVE this unit. And when someone just pulled a new limited character, of course they are gonna want to use them. Plus, when a new character is released, the current endgame is usually tailored to make them shine. Don't get me wrong, I think JQ is pretty great, I'm just saying that those numbers should to be taken with a grain of salt.
does the memory imprint DMG buff work well with super break dmg or does it have diminishing returns for super break team? seems ruan mei is also diluted quite a bit since most teams are still SB teams
the dmg% buff doesn’t affect break/superbreak dmg at all, the only buff that matters to them on current moc is the one hit that shows up when u accumulate 6 stacks of the moc buff
hey Mr. Pokke..ive been starting to learn mandarin, but i cant quite figure out how you are saying Dan Hang's name in this mind spelling/sounding it out for this newbie ?
Out of curiosity, there's no restriction on eidolons on this is there? So some of the units could be e6 while others could be e0 for all we know? Or IS it actually required that you use an e0 to be tallied on this list? Thought he said something about e2 Acheron on one of the teams so I'm assuming the former. Thanks in advance to whomever answers my question here :).
Jiaoqiu with Acheron is literally the new god comp of this game. There's no point of pulling Feixiao right now since Hoolay could be obliterated by FF Super break comp and Acheron with JQ can literally brute force any content right now.
Jiaoqiu is disproportionately pulled by people who actually know how to play the game. It isn't his visual design that sells, he isn't a waifu or popular husbando (e.g. Jing Yuan or Blade), but he has an extremely strong kit that requires only mid tier relics.
Jiaoqiu is just alright with no Acheron, but instantly becomes SSSSSS+ tier with Acheron. Went from 1-2 cycle clears in MOC to 0 cycle EASILY.
I used Jiaoqiu with Dr Ratio who somehow cleared a cycle faster than my e0s0 Acheron
People doom posted him so hard after all the nerfs but imagine him on release with his original kit. Jesus fucking christ it would be him + acheron for the end of this games life.
Same I got him and my acheron is 0 cycling moc 12 kafka now
@gagefen5822 honestly though he just feels mid outside acheron teams (atleast at e0s0). Feels like acheron ruined him and I'm not looking forward to how they pullback future nihility units
@@akshayreddy4071e0s1 he’s busted. People don’t talk about it enough. He’s bis 3rd slot for Imbl teams at e0s1 and hes gives the highest damage increase when played next to a Dps solo.
Jiaoqiu is actually very loved on the CN side of HSR(people love him basically) and it helps that he's BiS for Acheron and a lot of Acheron havers have E2.)
Day 262882 of cn having bad taste
How does CN love the lame, omega gay looking fox dude?
Keyword: E2 Acheron
My poor ass can't afford that kind of investment 😅
@@Accountthatexists They just...love him? Like liking his design and hair. Also male characters are pretty popular(Jing Yuan and Aventurine were #1 & #3 on a popularity chart a few months ago)
@@orion615 not you gooners only loving meta women that would be powercrept in the next patch
Seele and Acheron being on both the Top and Bottom is Purely the Duality of Man🤣🤣
Daughter and mom? Don't forget that seele's enchanced state gives her 20% quantum res PEN
DUALITY
people just hate jq cuz he doesn’t have healing and was nerfed in get this, versions that weren’t supposed to be seen by the public. People need to focus more on what he is now than what he could be 😭
100%
why the hell do you even need healing when acheron just kills everything
im glad a prominent content creator is actually giving boothill some grace. by far the most insane unit but data doesn't reflect that due to his complexity comparative to his peers (Acheron and FF and soon to be Feixiao)
He isn't good on auto play! 0/10!!1!!!!!1!!!
MrPokke always doompost Boothill, he's annoying with male characters like everyone else in this shitty community
@@arionmoschettaunless you show me Boothill E6, he tends to be really just good, as you see him below yunli overall since her kit is easier and her dmg is really good.
@@arionmoschettahe posted a video 5 days ago where he used Boothill for a side of MoC and cleared quite quickly but idk about him being annoying with other male characters since yes the phrase “EEE 2 DHIL” is ingrained in my head bc of this man if that’s what you mean, but that’s just praising DHIL’s e2 and recommending it if you are a DHIL main and want to spd roll the game from what I can tell
@@arionmoschettajust don't mind them, they are nothing, but a struggling incels, that can't even take competition with pixel men. They can't even understand how Boothill's skillset work, because this is too difficult for their brainless heads)
Playing Acheron without JQ now is like playing FF without ruan mei ,difference is night and day .
Definitely not even close.
The difference is not that big. At most, it is close to FF-RM situation if we consider only Acheron in PF, but it is still debatable.
@@vitorjjgameplays5786 I literally do 300k more damage with Him.
if you care about resources better save for E2 acheron but if you want to collect more characters than eidoleon...i think JQ is a good choice for E0 acheron...less investment and more characters!
@@vitorjjgameplays5786I'm agree 👍
11:06 argenti biggest problem is it is a REQUIRMENT to run Tingyun AND houhou with him so he can ult more often........and he has two Chars he NEEDS leaving wigle room for ONLY 1.......which is rough
Just run sparkle or Robin instead of huohuo... not that crazy
They're not a requirement, especially when Aventurine boss will refill his energy for him. It's good to have the same way Yunli wants them (this funny little word called synergy), so it's far from an argument for an "Argenti problem". He's just better equipped for other fights, like ironically his own boss form.
@@ArclightLuna INSTEAD (forgot how to do italics) of huohuo? you're going to want (need) a healer
Boothill absolutely destroys Aventurine btw. Easiest and fastest way to avoid his dumb gambling mini game, you just shred his toughness bar and avoid the clunkiness of his boss fight.
And FYI:
STOP PLAYING BOOTHILL AS A SUPERBREAKER. HE IS NOT FIREFLY.
Boothill/Ruan Mei/Bronya/Pela. That's the team. As long as Bronya and Boothill are 160 speed, and Boothill faster than Bronya its a very easy zero or 1 cycle.
Nvm- finished watching the video and he mentioned all this lol.
Cleared with RM Boothill Bronya Aven
harmony mc, ruan mei and pela works too
@@noice9193nowhere near as good as bronya unless you’re specifically fighting full img weak and hmc can contribute to break.
Enemies being imaginary weak has nothing to do with harmony mc’s performance since as long as someone on the team can weakness break everyone benefits and does good damage thanks to her passive break effect buffs and super break
@@noice9193 super break isn't worth it for Boothill. He is not a super break character, he's a BREAK character. You want him to attack as much as possible. Giving him more and more turns is better than throwing HMC in his team just for Ruan Mei to do 90k damage in a basic attack when Boothill alone can do 600k. And that's a good thing because allow HMC to be used with Firefly in the other side. The only problem is Ruan Mei and that Mihoyo insist in giving everything for Firefly like an exclusive relic set + Gallagher/Lingsha and now Super Break Tingyun. Like please for Christs sake can you devs give a f physical support for Boothill that can help with AoE break? Or like a linker character? Hanya could be that but her kit, just like Bronya's almost doesn't work entirely with him. The Firefly favoritism is just annoying af
I pulled Jiaoqiu. You will never hear me complaining about power creep in 3.0...or my Acheron has been powercrept by the new shiny dps
The thing is.... Although jq debuff percentage is just 50% (e0s0) but his uptime for inflicting debuff is just peak for acheron
He is the only mf that can inflict debuff on enemies turn (counted in acheron stack)
Preservation units with Trend LC also inflict debuff on enemy turn
Is it rly 50%? Wouldn’t it be 100% since you can skill + ba + ba and get his ult back plus sp positivity? His ult debuff also persists after waves iirc.
@@Mike.Erman.Trout. trend is only good because of the stack it gives. It’s not guaranteed and it was a waste of a lc slot for the sustainer. Using jiaoqiu provides trend’s whole gimmick plus a sizeable debuff. Then you can slot in qpq or aven’s click to get even more Acheron stacks.
@@Mike.Erman.Trout. but it rng, both 2 top preservation (aventurine and fuxuan) dont have taunt passive, also they need sacrifice tank or debuff (in case of aventurine sign) when use trend market
@@Waisamakk I'm talking about his debuff capability not ER
I mean this unironically
Jiaoqiu is actually really fuckin good
Outside Acheron teams errmm kinda questionable but if you've got Acheron
Then i suggest you get him before hes gone cuz the difference with and without is night and day
But Acheron can already clear fast, so why would I pull a support for 1 unit
I've noticed a huge difference if you don't have Acheron's LC. If you do, it's there but not substantial enough to say he's a must pull
acheron doesnt need him to do well
@@Enacoid But he needs her to do well
@@heyohworld4067Cap actually,Mine is e0s1 and she almost doubles in amount of ults,It is a big buff
15:21 the fact firefly + boothill in the same team is one of the fastest is fucking crazy 😂
JQ having a higher usage rate than Acheron is crazy. Just goes to show he is more versatile than just a Acheron support.
I just know I’m not gonna regret my e1 s1 JQ
It’s not that there are a lot of Seele 0 cycles, it’s that pretty much the only people still playing Seele are try-harding it in a way that the larger player base just isn’t. Popular units like Acheron and Firefly will see many more samples and their average play and gear will be much closer to “I clicked auto-equip, turned on auto, and tabbed out” than “I spent 5 months farming wind sets and 8 hours scripting for my 50 substat Seele to flex.”
For perspective on Jiaoqiu + Acheron, you have to realize that Acheron came out early as the first premium 2.x dps and she had no premium teammates available. She’s tuned to out-compete 1.x dps like IL and JL with her cope teammates, and keep up with 2.x dps once she gets premium teammates. Seriously, think about the sequence of events here:
- Firefly drops into a complete and synergistic team and people start feeling Acheron is struggling to keep up
- Acheron gets a single premium and synergistic teammate and suddenly she’s back at parity if not a bit better than Firefly
Don’t be surprised when the same script plays out with Feixiao. Acheron probably won’t truly be crept until she has an actually complete team and that gets one-upped, which will probably happen sometime mid 3.x with the current pacing of units.
Yeah I gave up and pulled for jq today, made my e0s1 acheron 0 cycle moc12 easily lmao, broken ass foxboy LMAO
Im so close for doing it too, but I want Feixiao and I use acheron with sw and pela alr
lets see how broken he is when the whole MoC aint fire weak. I swear the amount of people who neglect the fire breaking he does is astonishing. If it weren't for the fire MoC he would be just a regular upgrade, but since hoyo knows how to sell, he feels hella broken rn
@@thatalbeeguy bruh like 80% of the damage is coming from acheron lmao
@@thatalbeeguyHis damage dosent even matter Bro,tf are you on? He is there to make acheron do 50 ults a turn,fire weakness or not that dosent change 😂😂
@@thatalbeeguy He builds 0 break effect, him breaking with fire barely does any damage at all and possibly reduces how many Acheron stacks his ult gives you if he delays the bosses ads and Acheron kills them before jq ult gives you a stack from them. It's likley a minor reduction if it happens, but it's not like him hitting weakness is making the team deal much more damage either.
Pokke not hating on QQ for once? The end of the world is near
The intro is him mocking the fact that no one used her lol
wooow, the NEW units are good for the NEW MOC rotation? What an absolute shock
Might take a little longer than a year and a half for the community to catch onto that this game is rotation-based
I mean this MOC doesn't even benefit acheron or JQ at all, it's a pretty standard MoC all things considered. Just hit six times and like 10% of bosses hp is gone. Plus both of the fights are single target bosses, which benefit Boothil way more, which is why the fucking boothil, jq, acheron ,sparkle is top 4 teams in clear speed lmao
you mean kafka with lghtning res and aventurine who's literally the hardest boss to 0 cycle for most dps benefits jiaoqiu and acheron? lol even the apocalyptic shadow isn't catered towards acheron teams with the current fua feixiao propaganda.
Jioqui would be amazing on the summoner meta also as most harmonys dont buff summons, buy now
unfortunately the new summon mechanic will have their own damage modifier aka stuff like Fua, ULT, and Break damage
@@ZuraJura
Thats not really an issue because Jiaoqiu’s dmg vul is not a direct buff for allies but an aura debuff for enemies hence why he’s nihility rather than a harmony unit.
Meaning as long as the summon does dmg to said enemy with his debuff, the buff to your team will persist, unlike Harmony units who’s buff only applies to ally character stats but could potentially not work for summons if they become more common/meta.
Dmg shred and dmg vul are debuffs to the enemy that make you deal more dmg to it. Most Harmony units have direct buffs that may/may not apply to summons but that isnt an actual issue for nihility units.
@@seraphywang4638 yes I know. We all know he's a debuffer what I'm saying is he's not will be amazing as OP says but pretty good
Because you just know summon harmony will be a thing
Naw looks like the game is getting sneak updates so that most Harmony’s can still buff them.
I’ve been using jiaoqiu with my dhil on the first half and he’s great!
It really does suck that we don't get to see eidolons, I think they could tell a big story on how the current cycles and clears are going tbh, it doesn't matter if somethings the fastest clear if it's a 12 cost team or something lol
Yea it’s pretty obvious when seele sparkle are at the top that it’s whales who refresh for perfect quantum relics since 1.0 and have e2 sparkle
@@QMS9224 So having good relics is a crime now?
@@QMS9224what about mid yuan? Hes also 1.0 and is on element against aventurine (oh he also broke the top up system for hsr in the CN side). His usage/appearance rate is also similar to Seele’s, yet he is ALWAYS on the bottom of average cycles.
@@bewitted1169 not to be offensive towards gender, but take them into consideration, guys are more likely to be whales and they like cuties, jing yuan is a daddy and liked by girls who arent whaling.
@@Itami_ "guys are more likely to be whales" when Love and Deepspace hit top 5 revenue consistently since release and have even outperformed hoyoverse in many months. You just have no idea how much ladies whales for their husbando given the right condition. So it's more like the game doesn't have male dps that is broken enough or provide enough eye candy for the ladies to whale on.
I'm going to get him on his Rerun. My Acheron already is sufficent, and I want Characters from 2.5
Jiaoqiu mid is the biggest gaslighting the community has accepted
Its because he was supposed to also heal. And that part of the kit was completely removed in beta due to Hoyo not wanting to boost Acheron further because they want to sell Firebreak and Fua. People got mad, and hence the doompost
@@i.t.y1140i dont really understand why people are upset about the healing. it was never good enough to solo sustain, and honestly never really mattered. i feel like its more because his numbers got nerfed iirc
There is some wrong to this
His kit never healed not even in beta it was because of how hoyo advertised him
@@i.t.y1140
i think he is considered mid because his team is very limited atm
if his damage is actually good then can be thrown into dot team then i believe his value going to be increased
but i heard he is on par with ruan mei on dot team so if you already have almighty ruan mei why would you pull for him?
the answer is... he is for acheron and acheron only
so he is strong as acheron enabler other than that he is pretty much niche
@@vasilias7987 he's also a perfect fit for Hypercarry Ratio.
Better pull soon. JQ nearly doubles Acheron ult frequency.
Nah, I want the hot fox girl general
@@xenoemblem7 Excellent argument. Approved
He doubles it only if you didn't have her BiS team previously, otherwise just gives 1.5 increase for non-PF environment.
Step 1: get Acheron first
@@sydorovich2532
Thats not how this works? Trend is not guaranteed to hit for most preservation units. For an average Acheron cycle, Jiaoqiu should double the ult amount even if you had her previous bis because he basically guarantees you’ll get a Acheron stack on both enemy and all ally moves whole most the previous bis could do is 1/2 chance for land Trend and everything else is reliant on ally moves.
"Huehue which is gonna be our fastest sustain"
Gallagher who he just said has a faster clear time literally 3 seconds ago: "as a History Fictionologist, I see this as an absolute win"
Good thing about Seele is you just invest into Harmony characters and leave her at E0S0 as her kit is fully working at E0S0 with f2p lightcone. People really mad that their E2S1 2.x dps is clearing in the same amount of cycles as Seele in MOC, 0 cycle pure fiction and works well in Apocalyptic Shadow in Mono Quantum.
idk why but for me rn seele feels better to play in pf than moc
seele mains are like diluc mains. it's scary how they turn them units to monsters
Love that the Erudition gang at 6% forming the 666 gang.
I don't have Acheron and he fells amazing with Ratio. Much more consistent than SW for most contents
"Firefly will fell off after the choir is gone"
I mean she did lol, but do you ig
@@nkosiezikalala5267zero cycles on my machine, must be a skill issue.
@@nkosiezikalala5267 Keep on gaslighting youself, lil bud.
I mean,she did,when from broken to less broken
@@nkosiezikalala5267im trying to be respectful here but did you even watch the video? she even went higher from the previous moc
who on this planet earth is running firefly without hmc
To be fair to Rusn meis average cycle she was also the most used which means there's a lot more variation in build qualities which could lower her cycle speed
Despite them being 31st the ipc team has been great for me, definitely my fastest team.
4:25 I think Seele has the lowest usage rate of limited characters, because she was the first banner, so most people have her (if they started in 1.0).
19:10 pokke is spitting straight facts 🔥 🔥 🔥
Geppie is UNDERRATED. Love my Geppie. Also so happy Jiaoqiu is outperforming what people thought of him. He is my favourite or second favourite character in the game
Reason why Seele has the highest cycles is because barely anyone uses her nowadays so the only people that do are crack head that has min-max her stats in every possible way and has her rotation mapped out in their head
How can you explain jing yuan? Is he just mid even with eidolons/superimpositions? He’s also a 1.0 character with similar usage/appearance which is why im comparing him to seele
@@bewitted1169bcs seeles just better (im a mid yuan enjoyer)
@@bewitted1169jing yuan doesnt have fancy mechanics (could be changed with a support that buffs/advances summons) to play with that lowers his damage ceiling by a lot unlike Seele who has many techs to use/discover
2:32 no u haven’t, with love, you still use his ult before using his skill 😂
RM losing to harmony units that gives AV in the faster clear segment... what a surprise!
and people COMPLAIN about POWERCREEPING, while 1.0 units like himeko, seele are still meta
it's just MOC weakness type, buffs for new characters
Eh, but i'm still using Himeko at floor 11 MOC 2.4, she nailed at 3 cycles
From the looks of things, the ppl own him are so low to the point where everyone who got him just loves him, and wants to play him, and he's new, which is why yunli is higher than Acheron herself.
Idk what people say but jiaoqiu is insane, he doubles Acheron’s dmg and ult frequency, I can’t even imagine use her without him
I'm still undecided if i should pull JQ... E2S1 Acheron is already decent. These stats are kinda convincing though
Going to be honest if you have a E2S1 acheron than even better to pull, he will be the only nihility you need, you can put a harmony in the other slot, now if you want feixao i say do not pull him, do you already have 2 good teams? do you more? or want to improve the teams you have?
Future proof your Acheron even harder
I have seen someone 0 accidentally and effortlessly 0 cycle the first side off element, barely benefitting from the turbulence at all, with a sustain at e0s1, with a really relatable build and it was their first attempt.
This person doesn't even do 0 cycles, it was a complete accident, that's how op Firefly is.
All the "oh she only looks good because of the trio" talk is finally gone.
This will change as lots of skill-reliant dpses gets a dedicated relic on 2.6
Glad to say ive never stopped using Seele
Seele’s gimmick is fast speed and killing for an extra turn, so she doesnt need a sustainer and uses 3 supports to kill easier.
I think Jiaoqiu was played a lot because he just came out, we will have to wait 1 or 2 patches to see if he is really played that much
Jiaoqiu in the stats literally just means luxury spending on Acheron team after E2 S1 and all the other parts
I got Jq completly randomly man,guess imma wait Acheron rerun now xd
you could run him with Ratio and Yunli
2:09 Let me explain why I think Jiaoqiu is higher than Acheron.
If 100 people have Jiaoqiu and 80 of those use him, then he will have an 80% usage rate. While if 300 people have Acheron and 180 of them use her, then she would have a 60% usage rate. So even though more people used Acheron, Jiaoqiu will have a higher usage rate.
That’s why looking at ownership rates is important. Since it shows how many of the participants have each character, which makes comparing the usage rates more useful.
Technically acheron teams were the most prominent teams there considering the fact that there were like 5 different acheron teams in there
this shows how old units are still good and usable
Yeah because jiaoque is game changer for acheron, he increase my acheron damage until a half millions and make my acheron ulti faster, and make my acheron clear moc 3 cycle faster
Selee's been top 5 for a LOOOONG time now in terms of scores and cost efficiency and is one of the only units that's good in all 3 modes but somehow there's always people saying she's carried by x y or z or the stats are wrong or badly influenced due to x y and z, like it doesn't apply to other characters, do people want power creep that badly or smthing? 😭
Cry more
@@darkg3780 Blade pfp was the finishing blow.
Yunli is very good in the 3 Modes.
@@darkg3780hows your blade looking down there?
This shit doesn't include eidolons. She could easily clear with 8+ cost team when FF/Boothill/Acheron/Yunli/Ratio clears with 3-4 cost without issues.
2% appearance rate vs 60% for FF, literally trolling.
I use Quantum set BH, E1 Slow RM, -1 SpD Bronya, and Multiplication Gallagher to 0 cycle Aventurine. Im genuinely shocked people got more than 3 cycles. JQ kind of destroyed the Choir side.
People are kind of downplaying the value of an upgraded Pela… and because he is an upgraded Pela he just so happens to be the best team mate for Acheron…
Random chinese question. Black myth wukong very fun
"I think follow up and superbreak will be good"
... in a game that basically only releases follow up and break units at this point. (I know Acheron, Sparkle and Black Swan arent...but after that it went pretty stale.) I am glad I can still beat every mode despite not having even 1 break unit. I just dislike that playstile.
Jiaqou has the problem of hes amazing with ONE CHARACTER.......and mid everywhere else
Then can you explain how jq has a higher usage rate than acheron if he is only usable with her, by your logic he should be equal or less than acherons usage rate.
@@n1c3tr1ck2cause usage rate is the worst way to get an actual estimate.....cause players clearing could be very low budget OR Have an entire e6 s5 team
And also there are ALOT more people who pulled acheron and skipped jiaqou......then people who pulled acheron and jiaqou
@@n1c3tr1ck2Its quite common knowledge JQ is bis for Acheron and average else where. These videos and samples shouldnt be taken as fact as someone couldve ran JQ/March 7th/Qingque/Blade.
Jiaoqiu is also good with Ratio and he's great at PF because of his debuff uptime, something Pela and Guinaifen doesn't have
@@n1c3tr1ck2 Because everyone pulled JQ to use him with acheron but not all acheron plays have JQ
He will never let qq rest
It's crazy how I have better results with super break (1 cycle clear) compared to my DHIL and Ratio.
I 3 cycles with qq in side 1 with the help of huohuo in mono quantum(2 cycles once with crazy rng)
My favourite healer ❤
off topic but I love the way he says huohuo
god i just wish jiaoqiu was earnestly a good slot in other teams. mine is e0s1 and i tangibly feel the downgrade whenever i slot him anywhere in a team that is already finished.
He is only good with acheron?
@@sundenjager9376he's good, but all team have better options except Acheron's.
He is bis in Ratio team aswell
So many people saying “Fireflop is carried by E2! Mid heron is carried by E2!”
So when Feixiao drops and her usage rates are very high and average cycles are very low, will the same people complain about her E2 carrying the statistics? Oh, it’s not the same this time? I see, I see 💀
Glad I pulled for jiaoqui instead of black swan now I hopefully win in 50-50 so my Nhility mommies will be complete lol
I have a e2s1 spd acheron(its crack also i have the regular build) using sparkle avent and JQ just make it possible for me to 0 cycle with spd boots i will not be shock if we are talking about my atk acheron after all she can already 0 cycle so i only use it for try hard 0 cycle but JQ just make both my spd acheron and atk acheron 0 cycle effortlessly truly the best investment i did for a while
i lose yunli but then thinking using guaranteed on jiaoqiu until i see feixiao...take me few rounds of retrying with E1 clara to beat aventurine...so RnG
Just a reminder that these numbers only count players who actually HAVE this unit.
And when someone just pulled a new limited character, of course they are gonna want to use them.
Plus, when a new character is released, the current endgame is usually tailored to make them shine.
Don't get me wrong, I think JQ is pretty great, I'm just saying that those numbers should to be taken with a grain of salt.
"If you dont run bs you dont run kafka" my kafka simping ass who forces her with all kinds of teams even if she doesnt fit...
does the memory imprint DMG buff work well with super break dmg or does it have diminishing returns for super break team? seems ruan mei is also diluted quite a bit since most teams are still SB teams
The memory imprint damages enemies based on max hp and increase dmg% of party members
the dmg% buff doesn’t affect break/superbreak dmg at all, the only buff that matters to them on current moc is the one hit that shows up when u accumulate 6 stacks of the moc buff
It does nothing to buff super break but the one instance of extra damage is welcome.
PROUD SEELE MAIN 🤩
I used to jiaqiu hater( from his design) but trust me pair him with my e0 acheron i feel maybe i dont need e2 acheron😅
he always says like
*"HUEGH HUEGH"*
Our glorious king and saviour Jiaoqiu
hey Mr. Pokke..ive been starting to learn mandarin, but i cant quite figure out how you are saying Dan Hang's name in this mind spelling/sounding it out for this newbie ?
I believe he's calling him 国王 (Guówáng) which means "king".
Too bad eidolons just screw all of the data.
It applies to all characters in this data unfortunately. And with this in mind CN stats tell close to nothing
Out of curiosity, there's no restriction on eidolons on this is there? So some of the units could be e6 while others could be e0 for all we know? Or IS it actually required that you use an e0 to be tallied on this list? Thought he said something about e2 Acheron on one of the teams so I'm assuming the former. Thanks in advance to whomever answers my question here :).
JQ My Boy
I think the super break team is not optimal for this MoC but it just brute forces anyways.
Pull Fox boy before you regret it 😅😅
What i see is that super break and acheron still shit on everything else,got it
boothill is goated against aventurine, mine literally 1 shotted him
Make boss tier list
Anyone know the site name? or a link to the site?
Herta at the bottom is crazy
QQ still going strong 😎😎
First thing I see in my yt feed after losing my Jiaoqiu 50/50 to bailu
my first 5star is Clara, is she good or?
Jiaoqiu with Acheron is literally the new god comp of this game. There's no point of pulling Feixiao right now since Hoolay could be obliterated by FF Super break comp and Acheron with JQ can literally brute force any content right now.
Is March 7th the only character not on the list?
i'm one those 4% Selee.... she's doing fine❤
This is the china region tierlist
@@yeahleftu aaaah i see
Jiaoqiu is disproportionately pulled by people who actually know how to play the game. It isn't his visual design that sells, he isn't a waifu or popular husbando (e.g. Jing Yuan or Blade), but he has an extremely strong kit that requires only mid tier relics.
How is this app called?
Robin’s usage rate is “low” bcz she doesn’t have any broken dpses to support yet.
Wait for Fei and her usage rate skyrockets
Nobody knows how to play boothill😂😂😂. I cleared the second half with him in 2 cycles.
bro why is everyone here acting like JQ never coming back or smth, bro is NOT a one time exclusive 😭😭🙏🙏
Cuhlala gang rise up 💪🏻