How batteries will power the future - with The Faraday Institution

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  • @evanwood2794
    @evanwood2794 11 місяців тому +13

    Having done work with batteries, I find the focus on Li ion batteries to be a little confusing. I understand that they're important, but it's kind of old news. Why not cover some really new and interesting battery technology, like Li-S batteries and their benefits/limitations?

    • @Ianjcarroll
      @Ianjcarroll 11 місяців тому +1

      the ethical elements of Li mining is never discussed ?

    • @sethburgess8211
      @sethburgess8211 11 місяців тому +3

      @@Ianjcarroll Certainly not good but doesnt mean the only way to extract lithium is the way we currently do it. Look at Tonopah pass in the US

    • @RupertReynolds1962
      @RupertReynolds1962 11 місяців тому

      Li-S certainly looks interesting, but more immediately Na-ion looks good for home and city car batteries, maybe more.

    • @levioliver3794
      @levioliver3794 11 місяців тому

      Graphene Aluminum by GMG is VERY promising.

    • @starseeddeluxe
      @starseeddeluxe 10 місяців тому

      Lead acid batteries have NEVER been studied for how they actually furnish electrons. There have been at least some electrical engineers and physicists which have claimed enormous, exponential energy release from existing lead acid batteries. I worry that the cessation of lead acid batteries is a mistake, considering how easy it is to recycle them.

  • @simon10000
    @simon10000 11 місяців тому +1

    "Build once for a longer future." great quote. Thanks for the accessible and insightful overview.

  • @cptrikester2671
    @cptrikester2671 11 місяців тому +12

    Is this just an extended advertisement?

    • @thekaxmax
      @thekaxmax 11 місяців тому +1

      who is it advertising for, then?

    • @SeanChristieMallon
      @SeanChristieMallon 11 місяців тому +1

      They said more or less nothing in this video

    • @cptrikester2671
      @cptrikester2671 11 місяців тому

      @@thekaxmax advertising to eliminate the current power sources.
      You know, that 'global climate change problem'.

    • @rtfazeberdee3519
      @rtfazeberdee3519 11 місяців тому +2

      No, its University research

    • @TheRadioAteMyTV
      @TheRadioAteMyTV 11 місяців тому

      Nothing about reuse, toxins or waste, so pretty much a propaganda film.

  • @nickalicious44
    @nickalicious44 11 місяців тому +2

    Lately, Sodium Ion Battery has been making the news. How promising is this considering we have abundant sources of sodium and cheaper. Would like to know more inputs frm experts.

  • @levioliver3794
    @levioliver3794 11 місяців тому +1

    The future will be the Graphene Aluminium Ion Batteries being developed by GMG. Massive advantages over Lithium

  • @Satish-md1vm
    @Satish-md1vm 11 місяців тому +1

    Wonderful research!

  • @mozkitolife5437
    @mozkitolife5437 11 місяців тому +2

    Misleading title. Very little was presented on the How.

  • @maedilein6802
    @maedilein6802 11 місяців тому +1

    I find your research interesting. No area has a monopoly on the search for storage. At least you're doing the research and trying to make it better. I also think batteries in clothing sounds intriguing.

    • @TheRadioAteMyTV
      @TheRadioAteMyTV 11 місяців тому

      Do you remember the story of University California Irvine of the student who discovered how to recharge a Lithium Ion Battery and never stops working? Funny how that story came and went. Just a miracle is all, get rid of her!

  • @cptrikester2671
    @cptrikester2671 11 місяців тому +4

    What are they going to do about the terrible conditions for the people that are extracting the basic materials from the ground?

    • @Don19762
      @Don19762 11 місяців тому +2

      Nothing.

    • @timothybayliss6680
      @timothybayliss6680 11 місяців тому

      Anything being done about the neurotoxic tailings ponds and environmental destruction from the mining operations?

    • @bokononbokomaru8156
      @bokononbokomaru8156 11 місяців тому

      Sodium ion batteries would solve many issues & have positive benefits as well

    • @thekaxmax
      @thekaxmax 11 місяців тому

      most lithium mining is in Australia, and the conditions are fine. Other places, it's improving.

    • @RupertReynolds1962
      @RupertReynolds1962 11 місяців тому

      Cobalt is a major concern when used in large quantities, whether for refining fossil fuels or making Li-ion cells. Thankfully, I read that its use in Li-ion (such as NMC) is already dropping. Nasty stuff.

  • @Rach1941
    @Rach1941 11 місяців тому +3

    Lithium ion batteries are a scourge. Updates on promising replacement technologies would be more interesting.

  • @paulsun19
    @paulsun19 11 місяців тому

    what is the worldwide investment in battery research?

    • @TheRadioAteMyTV
      @TheRadioAteMyTV 11 місяців тому

      Nothing, it's all charged. Hahahahaha.

  • @jasonburguess
    @jasonburguess 11 місяців тому +1

    We need to stop focusing on battery weight! Batteries for stored renewable energy don't have a weight requirement, they can weigh millions of pounds and if that allows more storage no issue, only in mobile applications does power to weight ratio become an issue.

    • @pat8988
      @pat8988 11 місяців тому

      You seem to be thinking of stationary applications. Weight is very important for cars, phones, etc. Electric vehicles are already much heavier than IC vehicles, mainly due to battery weight.

    • @jasonburguess
      @jasonburguess 11 місяців тому

      Yes, stationary applications are the most important for addressing climate change, storing green power from solar, wind, geothermal etc is far more important than vehicles, also the biggest contributer to climate change is global shipping via actual ships on the ocean, which also dont have weight problems. Evs are important too, but more importantly is the power that they use and they need bigger stationary batteries to avoid using coal and natural gas to run the grids.​@pat8988

    • @pressureswitch
      @pressureswitch 11 місяців тому

      But it should matter, right?
      Setting aside the environmental impacts of battery production, you’re generally going to lose efficiency at larger and larger scales. So making the most efficient (and therefore lightest) battery will allow us to scale to larger and larger applications.

  • @A3Kr0n
    @A3Kr0n 10 місяців тому

    How will batteries be able to keep up with exponential growth?

  • @timothy8426
    @timothy8426 11 місяців тому +1

    Don't put all your eggs in one basket, which means don't count on one energy source.

  • @jemimabrennen2580
    @jemimabrennen2580 11 місяців тому

    Awesome, thank you Ri!

  • @harveytheparaglidingchaser7039
    @harveytheparaglidingchaser7039 11 місяців тому

    Every town should have a sand battery and district heating

  • @peteredwards2318
    @peteredwards2318 11 місяців тому

    Solid state when?

  • @songsfromtheheart-timdowli3785
    @songsfromtheheart-timdowli3785 11 місяців тому +1

    How can you happily talk with a smile on your face when you know of the horrendous exploitation of child Labour and modern slavery involved in lithium mining

  • @jyvben1520
    @jyvben1520 11 місяців тому +1

    ancient technology, for non mobile usage a gravity battery is the best

    • @ElfProduct
      @ElfProduct 11 місяців тому +2

      Why would a hydroelectric dam be better than Li-ion batteries? Building dams take massive upfront investment costs. Li-ion batteries better.

    • @thekaxmax
      @thekaxmax 11 місяців тому +2

      energy density of gravity sucks. When space is important, don't use gravity. Also, good gravity battery locations are rare.

  • @quantumcat7673
    @quantumcat7673 11 місяців тому

    Great bravo! Now, shut up and produce them cause we need them NOW!

  • @freeheeler09
    @freeheeler09 11 місяців тому

    I’m extremely disappointed in the glacially slow progress on home storage batteries Chinese company is selling a 30 kWh EV for $12,000. Yet a Tesla Powerwall, with about 1/3rd the capacity of the Chinese car, costs the same! I’m trying to go off grid. Batteries cost $1,100 per kWh before installation. To really disrupt and ger away from fossil fuels, we need affordable batteries!

  • @vturiserra
    @vturiserra 11 місяців тому

    I've always thought that Britons pronounce "twenty" and Americans pronounce "tweny", but at 0:40 he uses both pronounciations and says "in tweny twenty". Could an English teacher (or somebody that knows the answer) explain that?

    • @thekaxmax
      @thekaxmax 11 місяців тому

      he talks to Americans a lot and uses both pronunciations.

    • @vturiserra
      @vturiserra 11 місяців тому +1

      @@thekaxmax Thanks.

    • @TheMonkeydood
      @TheMonkeydood 11 місяців тому

      Actually we brits use both twenty and twenny for 20. As in twenny pound note.

    • @vturiserra
      @vturiserra 11 місяців тому

      @@TheMonkeydood Thanks.

    • @fburton8
      @fburton8 11 місяців тому +1

      @@TheMonkeydoodSome do, yes, but some (like me) only say twenty.

  • @mariusvanc
    @mariusvanc 11 місяців тому +1

    Using li ion batteries for grid storage is a horrific waste. This is just a grift.

    • @danielcarroll3358
      @danielcarroll3358 11 місяців тому

      Of what? You would just throw the energy away?

    • @mariusvanc
      @mariusvanc 11 місяців тому

      @@danielcarroll3358Ah yes, because only li ion batteries exist to store energy. It's a waste of resources (and money), because li-ion batteries are very well suited to niche applications for which there is now A LOT of demand for. Grid storage does not operate with the same constraints as a phone or an EV, and li-ion batteries are ill-suited for grid storage. It's the wrong tool for the job.

  • @Pedro8k
    @Pedro8k 11 місяців тому

    Until we get a new safe battery that can be quickly recharged and lasts a decent amount of time the whole electric car industry is pointless and unsafe at present

  • @EASYTIGER10
    @EASYTIGER10 11 місяців тому +2

    I wonder if people watching this video in 50 years will smile at how huge and clunky and inefficient batteries were back in 2024 :)

  • @RockHudrock
    @RockHudrock 11 місяців тому +4

    How do we solve the problems of batteries catching fire 🔥 and not working in the winter 🥶?
    It seems like Hydrogen / fuel cell technology will be a better solution long-term.

    • @0ned
      @0ned 11 місяців тому +1

      Teslas wouldn't even charge last week.

    • @0ned
      @0ned 11 місяців тому +1

      Check out the Joe cell: hint, it's protons, not orgone.

    • @0ned
      @0ned 11 місяців тому +1

      If anyone's interested in a genuine Reichian orgone motor, it's a DC Pulse motor, neither DC nor AC.
      Roberto Maglione published most current info.
      The Correa's orgone motor could barely tow a toy truck, and they squandered their popular support attacking James DeMeo.
      Genuine orgonomic literature focuses on publishing information accessible to laypeople and the Correas only published highly technical and esoteric math.

    • @gitmoholliday5764
      @gitmoholliday5764 11 місяців тому +2

      will a hydrogen fuel cell work nevermind if it is winter ?

    • @LisaSamaritan
      @LisaSamaritan 11 місяців тому

      Hydrogen is extremely flammable and explosive... Ever heard about a hydrogen bomb? That's a nuclear weapon with a football sized canister of hydrogen and it is a lot more powerful than only using weapons grade plutonium.

  • @stephenbrickwood1602
    @stephenbrickwood1602 11 місяців тому

    All Grid supplied electricity is a dead duck.
    Electricity is only 20% of our energy use.
    BUT grid construction costs are astronomical.
    Existing national grid is equal to the nation's GDP. 100years to build.
    This is the economic elephant in the room.
    5 times more electricity is needed to replace high energy fossil fuels.
    5 times bigger national electric grid capacity is insanely uneconomic.
    Dispersed generation and storage has no grid costs.
    Each home with an EV plugged in at night can go offgrid.
    Most vehicles are parked 23hrs every day. 7kwh daily is ezi pezi to top up.
    Most vehicles drive building to building.
    All EVs, robotic vacuum cleaner and robotic lawnmower will selfplug-in.
    Simple wall plug to trickle charge, control by EVs computer.
    Rapid charging will be on the main roads and at corner stores.

  • @SolaceEasy
    @SolaceEasy 11 місяців тому

    Huge reliance on batteries is a passing fad. Any system reliant on batteries is wasting energy and is not as efficient as plugging straight in.

    • @danielcarroll3358
      @danielcarroll3358 11 місяців тому

      That's wonderful if you can use the energy when it is produced. Batteries and other energy storage such as pumped hydro help solve the "duck curve" problem. Look it up.

    • @rtfazeberdee3519
      @rtfazeberdee3519 11 місяців тому

      You'd better alert the world energy experts before they go down this road

  • @daveac
    @daveac 11 місяців тому

    All good - but he didn't mention safety - making batteries safer! aka a recent electric bus bursting into flames and fires from electric bikes left charging overnight etc.

  • @TheRadioAteMyTV
    @TheRadioAteMyTV 11 місяців тому

    Remember the story of University California Irvine of the student who discovered how to recharge a Lithium Ion Battery and it never stops working? Funny how that story came and went. Just a miracle is all, get rid of her!

  • @neo5kali
    @neo5kali 11 місяців тому

    Then everything fails in cold weather.

    • @donc-m4900
      @donc-m4900 11 місяців тому

      Then use your heat pump to warm, wait...🥶

    • @rtfazeberdee3519
      @rtfazeberdee3519 11 місяців тому

      Seems to work fine in places like Norway, Sweden etc. Sh*t happens, nothing is perfect

  • @donc-m4900
    @donc-m4900 11 місяців тому

    Nukes/s

  • @EnergyTRE
    @EnergyTRE 11 місяців тому

    bismuth ferrite and other things not storage 😂

  • @wendyg8536
    @wendyg8536 11 місяців тому

    Discovering that the battery in my comp has been literally off gassing and poisoning me.. causing constant dry cough. .I have found that there is a condition named Metal Fume Fever, the exposure symptoms which present similar to a virus, cough white lung sudden death !!
    Data suggests we consume a credit card of plastic a week !.. but how much of this is gas....as another similar condition is off gassing of PTFE also used in electronics but also in so many things now in contemporary industry 3d printing even heart stents ..that may have been banned in the past for their fluorocarbons..inflicting Teflon Flu, Polymer Fume Fever.
    They say these things off gas over certain temperatures..but I suspect that maybe long term exposure of minor levels and temps could also be harmful. .as I have experienced.
    With the amount as many as 7000 EV battery fires in China every week, has no one considered that possibly pollution is playing a role alongside by "fume fever" to the pandemic !?..
    ..these gasses eventually circling the globe.
    Is industry neglecting things somewhere. .as it's not working out well for customers health and the environment is it.

    • @cambridgemart2075
      @cambridgemart2075 8 місяців тому

      Metal fume fever, AKA zinc fever, requires raising metals to the boiling point; that's never going to happen in a computer battery.
      PTFE does offgas, but only when heated to over 400C, something that became apparent when HMS Sheffield caught fire after a missile strike.

    • @wendyg8536
      @wendyg8536 8 місяців тому

      @@cambridgemart2075 yeah nah.. well..thats total BS rubbish !..because I 'can' smell when my phone and laptop is charging. .and it's the batteries. These things 'offgas' at much much lower temps than said..a lot less !! .it is subtle yet insidious. .and it is not a sudden exposure but compounded over some time and given ventilation.
      These things are toxic in our environment...given time it will be exposed. .

  • @tootallsoloman248
    @tootallsoloman248 11 місяців тому

    Batteries are not going to "power" anything. They're a storage device; not a power generation device. So, um, this is a science channel right?

    • @levioliver3794
      @levioliver3794 11 місяців тому +1

      When you release that stored energy, it will power things. What are you talking about?! 😂

  • @TheRadioAteMyTV
    @TheRadioAteMyTV 11 місяців тому

    Nothing about reuse or waste or toxic damage. So it's a propaganda film?

  • @Stephen_Strange
    @Stephen_Strange 11 місяців тому

    Why would our needs be so large in 2030. An estimation is based on guesswork of circumstances controlled by the establishment, and therefore can be changed if there was a more peaceful global agenda.