Who Was Admiral Alynna Nechayev?
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
- Today we look at perhaps one of Starfleets most unfairly maligned officers. Often serving as the bearer of bad news or teller of hard truths, Admiral Alynna Nechayev is saddled with a bad reputation. but does she deserve all the criticism leveled at her? is she merely a Beuaracratic 'cog in the machine' ? Or is there more to the woman behind the badge? who is Alynna Nechayev?
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Without her, we would not have had one of the greatest rants in all of Trek history: "it's easy to be a saint in paradise..."
Except that in the Federation the saints choose to leave paradise and live on the frontiers. It sucks that they had to move but at the same time there were literally other worlds that could be moved to. No one needed to be there.
@@farshnukeIf people are choosing to leave it might not be as much a paradise as is claimed.
You are a good person my friend, we live by the sword and die by the sword unless you fart in JARS and send them to my boss because he thinks it's Jimmy from the Tech department 👩🏼💻 and some are wet farts so they do get messy at times but you know what it's like when your in a rush 😉
@@MediumRareOpinions Wrong. People choose to stop having sex and do the washing up, that doesn't mean that sex is worse than the washing up. It just means that while people enjoy the sex they can see they could help by doing the washing up.
To be clear I appreciate that a world without conflict makes for bad tv but you can have a franchise with conflict that is still utopian.
@@farshnuke so what "washing up" are they helping with by moving to planets, which in your own words, nobody needed to be on?
That's not "helping out", that's fleeing from something.
I do like how a character that only shows up a few times in a supporting role looms so large in Trekkies' memories. A great performance by Natalia Nogulich.
True.
Nechayev always get's my back up when I see her. Which is a testement to how well Natalia Nogulich played her.
Yeah, definitely a commanding presence, @@frankowalker4662! You know things are going to get done when she enters the room.
Yes!!
By Federation standards Alynna Nechayev was a war hawk. She made no secret that she believed that the only way to live in peace is to be prepared to face the enemy
Nechayev also embodied the concept of the apolitical military. No matter how strongly she believed that the Federations civilian leadership was making a mistake. She always did everything in her power to ensure their decisions were carried out.
Admirable. A pragmatic realist, but unshakably loyal.
@@Azraiel213 In the A Time To books that lead up to Nemesis it's shown that she's kind of a bigot to aliens that don't look like humans in makeup which is kind of believable.
Eh, Star Trek books aren't really canon, and I'm certainly not going to let some random author's hot take spoil a canon character, @@farshnuke!
@@Azraiel213 We are literally on a fan lore channel. The books are more canon than Venom Geek Media. You can enjoy the character despite them being flawed. Garak was a member of the secret services for a fascist regime and we love him.
Yes, he was *canonically* an agent of a socialist regime,@@farshnuke. More importantly I was just being tactful; the books are actually not canon at all.
Only Admiral in StarFleet who knew what she was doing…
She did not
Angry Ross noises
Just about!
@@sovietdominion He joined Section 31 so I'm sorry as much as I love him and hate her she is better by default.
@@farshnukeI gotta go with Section 31. The only part of the Federation that ever made sense and a great plot device to add moral complexity for the characters. I particularly like Sisko, who was so appalled by them, being forced to make similar choices to bring the Romulans into the war.
I think Alynna Nechayev is a strong, assertive, strong-willed and strategically-minded woman. Everyone should have noticed that she has a very strained relationship with Jean-Luc Picard. I read a German fan fiction story last year that explains how Alynna Nechayev became a rather emotionless woman who, if anything, allows controlled anger as an emotion. The story tells that she lost her wife, the captain of an Ambassador class starship, in the defensive battle of Wolf 359.
"...Nechahev is a strong, assertive, strong-willed and strategically minded woman."
So, of course, she is a lesbian.
What are acceptable current year prejudicial stereotypes is amusing.
@@mjbull5156 What do I have to do with it? I just read this story and gave a neutral account of the content. It's one possible reason why her relationship with Picard is so strained. There are a thousand other reasons. One possibility is that Picard was once her superior officer and that she felt unfairly treated. Or they were both in the same class at Starfleet Academy and had a rivalry for the best grades. It is canonical that Picard had good grades in all subjects. It could also be that they simply don't like each other. It's just that sometimes in life, you meet people you don't like from the very first second.
@@mjbull5156 Any damn possibility could be right as to why the relationship between the two is strained. To me, she comes across as cold and very controlled, but on the other hand, she's proven to be a good strategist. I've currently started reading a Star Trek novel where Alynna Nechayev is a member of Section 31 and after this is exposed, she is on the run from Starfleet security. The novel is called “Available Light" German title "Vorhanendes Licht” and is very exciting. I can't say anything about the original English edition, as I bought the book in the German translation.
Natalia Nogulich also played Clark Griswald's boss' wife in *National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation.*
I bet she respected sisko A LOT MORE than that. Cool video.
I think of one phrase when of think of "Auntie Lynna", *No better friend, no worse enemy.*
Aggressive, hawkish, even militant? Sure. But I've always admired her as a consumate professional. She's there to do her job, nothing more, nothing less. And she's a patriot. She truly loves, and believes in, the Federation, and she's willing to fight to preserve her nation, and by extension, her family.
And a splendid take on one of my favourite background characters. I really loved the look at her early life. Very well done.
She's one of the few redeemers in an admiralty famous for its evil schemers, immortality chasers (TWICE, THIS HAPPENED TWICE!), and starship thieves. I though she was acted rather well to boot, making quite a bit out of, what I suspect, was very little input from the writers (at least initially).
If she was born in 2325 she would be 20 years younger than Picard not 10 (born 2305)
Thanks Mr Perfect
It's called the Trekkie Hawk Eye, @@carlousmagus5387. Hardcore fans have been known for their attention to detail for almost as long as Star Trek has been a thing.
Who Nechayev was? A pain in the arse, for friend and foe alike!
Even as a kid i thought she was attractive! There is something about a tough chick in uniform that is irresistible. The actress was in lots of other shows like Frasier and LA Law. She looks as good in regular clothes. But i can name 10 actresses who remained hotties well into their seventies. Loni Anderson, Raquel Welch, and Meg Foster just to name a few. Ms Foster was in the ds9 episode "the muse" had the most amazing eyes and was in the incredible three part Quantum Leap episode "trilogy" which blew my mind. She plays a good crazy!
Speaking of Frasier, there was the other ice queen I had the hots for, Lilith😍
Always hated her. Maybe not as Kai Winn but I just could not stand this Admiral.
She is an interesting personality. Always seemed like she was going to ask to see the manager at Waffle House
I always got the feeling that she was the put-upon intermediary between Starflleet's infamous admiralty and the captains that were trying to hold it together. There were hints that she had maybe disagreed with plans but she was dutiful and carried them to the unngrateful captains who couldn't see the bigger picture. Poor woman couldn't catch a break, I hope other captains offered her a cup of tea like Picard did.
I think she would respect Jellico because she could just tell him to get it done and he would.
It's funny it's the beta canon information on characters that actually makes them like them more. I hated her guts in alpha canon she always seemed like a pencil pusher officer. All talk and no real experience like her opinion of the marquis and sisko reference to earth as paradise. I thought she was political admiral but you showed a new light on her.
Agreed, she always seemed like she just wanted to see the manager at Waffle House
Could you please do a video about an obscure Federation starship called the Mars class Dreadnought from the old SFB tabletop games?
Nechayev was right on most things.
She's the face of the Federation in the 4X.. Birth of the Federation. Excellent work as always, I look forward to new or old things from you.
she's the hottest admiral in starfleet history, that's all I need to know.
Hell yes!! Smoking Hot 🔥!!!
I do like that we were able to see her on both TNG & DS9. While I think they were right to not overdue it too much with crossover characters like that, it really did help tie the two shows together by having her show up on both.
One of my favorite support roles from Treks golden age and the one redeeming grace from the admiralty forged in the golden era otherwise characterized by scoundrels and indifferent sycophants even if not commandeered by conspiring brain parasites. Have to say you characterized her pretty well along my line of thought already, although in my head canon I imagined her to be of Ukrainian decent also originating there, probably because of her name and some personal experience. Her early career path in Starfleet Intelligence as explored in Beta canon forged her to be the political realist, tactical pragmatist and most of all duty above else officer and leader, uncompromising in her principles to others and not allowing to even let her own personal emotions interfere in her idealistic sense of responsibility. Alynna "Often Right" Nechayev introduced herself as the woman "with the iron heart" prone to quick but controlled action in the interest of the security of the Federation. This decisiveness often allowed the UFP to keep the upper hand when challenged by the ploys of its rivals preserving at large peace and stability in local space. In a sense she becomes the victim of her own success when the lethargic federation apartus decided to freeze the borderwars with a treaty more akin to an armistice allowing an desolate enemy to regroup and emboldening it for this show of weakness.
You made your point that given her persona and acumen she held individual heroics in less regard compared to calculating institutional force. Going one step further I'd say she was prone to sacrifice deeply held ethical convictions in personal idealists who are essentially the driving force of a determination comparable to her own in officers like Picard seeing them as an indulgence professionals in this line of work couldn't afford. This became obvious when she lectured Picard with regard of helping Hugh instead of weaponizing him against the Collective, that his primary duty was not "to wrestle his conciousness but to protect the lives of the citizens of the federation" and even gave him an direct order to follow up on any similar opportunity to annihilate the Borg as a species should it present itself during the current crisis. Being a rare instance where she obviously - but without ill will - misjudged it shows how her determination and passion as leader when confronted with a situation where the very survival of the civilization she swore to protect is at stake could blind her.
It follows that confrontation with the Borg Collective being an all-devouring Hivemind who is matching her own raw willpower but unwilling to negotiate any settlement and unbound by any legal frameworks is a challenge to her individual ethics when the letter of the law and rightful orders of her superiors she learned to rely upon as institutional guidance cannot be applied or are failing to manifest. That being said she would make a decent Queen herself should the Collective be in need to assimilate one - the Collective being the ultimate all encompassing institutional ideal😁
🔰Oba Oba New Video, I love the channel's form of approach, it was very good to learn more about this sector admiral acting on the Cardassian border🔰
Great Bio Venom. Tight Work.
1:43; already worth the watch. Another great vid! Thanks!!
I remember growing up watching TNG, and for some reason I remembered her as being a much larger presence than she actually was. That is a credit to her episodes and her actress natalia nogulich!
Yeah she has that effect
In the words of SFDebris "she is known by 20 differents all them referring to ICE."
Heroes also Serve.
She's one of the Greats. I bet she was a great Captain.
Probably my favorite Starfleet Admiral.
I like Ross better, but she is in my top 3 when it comes to those starting as an Admiral.
The Admiral in second place is one I don't know the name of, outside of being a black woman who radiated power when she gave Picard permission to blockade the space between Romulan and Klingon to ensure the Duras Family lost. I don't know why, but I just felt like she should have made an appearance from that one episode; for damn, was she effective.
@@raw6668 Fleet Admiral Shanthi with the most peculiar speech patterns, like her too
Great vid Mike!
Thx
My kind of strategist
oba oba vídeo novo, adoro a forma de abordagem do canal, ficou muito bom em conhecer mais sobre essa almirante de setor atuando na fronteira Cardassiana
I always thought she was correct. Especially about the Borg.
Sorry Hue.
Wish we had as much screen time with her as Admiral Ross.
An interesting dissertation
Epically done
OMG, what an excellent choice for an episode's topic matter. IMO, Admiral Nechayev is the member of Starfleet most often disregarded when Captain Jellico is being metaphorically flayed for messing with Enterprise-D's mojo and Riker. Jellico did nothing wrong, in fact, he did exactly what Starfleet ordered him to do...
I would say nceev was more of woman of her era in the alpha quadrants in Starfleet. Tell Durham the Dominion war for example and The war with the tzenkerhi. During the Dominion war, we don't know anything about her do we??? I don't think I heard anything about her now that I think about it during the war with the Dominion minus the episode I believe a DS9, but I believe that was before the war began when they were on that planet in the gamma quadrants where they were captured in the defiance and put into that state of mind where they were in a holodeck sort of situation. However, that worked.
If she signed up to Starfleet when she was 18, she would not have graduated in 2345. SF Academy runs for four years, she would have joined in 2343 and graduate in 2347.
She is very cool.
An interesting overview of this admiral. Nechayev as far as Starfleet admirals go while not is the top tier is still one of the better ones. From this one can see she was a very "letter of the law" kind of person.
She was awesome not much Slavic characters in Star trek but when we get there we hit hard and fast
12:55 Thats a heck of a fleet. Is this from one of the books?
I never had a strong negative or positive opinion of her.But after hearing this I actually like her now
0:48 - Picard was born on 13 July 2305, so Alynna is therefore 20 years his junior; not 10.
I really love this video.
The real question here is, was Admiral Nechayev pro or anti Yeager class?
Nobody in the fleet was anti-Yeager class. It was secretly the best ship they had.
Truly. The wormhole was never retaken once the Yeager arrived.
@@emmamacfarlane8137 it was your local raccoon in the garage.
Also Command 16th Fleet call Flagship Squadron. (USS Enterprise D
Perhaps not as 2 dimensional as she might have appeared to younger viewers.
Captain Freeman: She ordered us to map stars and stay out of trouble, Ransom.
Looking at the Springfield, and can't believe I hadn't noticed this before, where are the Bussard Ramscoops?
I always saw her as practical rather than idealistic.
I always remember her atteming to talk down to Picard, with some success.
To me I felt in DS-9 she was a changeling from how she would do things that even if she was on the side of the federation that she undermined everything Sisko and others. There were too many things that screamed out she was a changeling.
She Stays Extra Frosty
Born in Sareiavego!
*starts looking for symbols of a scorpion rail*
I love how she slaps up picard. The thing with picardvis he thought he was invincible around the admiralty....except with her.
With what we know from the latest episode of Discovery, it might make sense if her ancestors were some of the mirror universe escapees who made lives for themselves in prime timeline Federation. There was always something a bit machiavellian about her.
I don't disagree with your opinion on her world view. I also agree that Ross should have put the Borg busters in assault wings. But there are times when the institution is wrong. Those that do not stand up to the wrong are wrong themselves. I feel that was always her blind spot. Sisko was right to say those that live in the borderlands of the Union "scared". I don't know. She is a good officer but I'd doubt I would agree with her eithics.
I have mixed feelings about her, but one thing I do wish is that she (or an actress portraying her if the original actress [idr her name unfort] had passed on) could've reprised her role in Picard S1. When Picard goes to HQ to request a ship and speaks with Adrmiral "Sheer Fucking Hubris" I was really hoping it would've been to see Nechayev instead. Picard's line of not always seeing eye to eye with her would've been perfect for his relationship with Nechayev.
I would love to hear more about Jellico, I thought he was an interesting character and that the episode went to far in trying to portray Riker as being in the right.
Starfleet needs more admirals like her. Safe to say enemies of the Federation would be MUCH more reluctant to make trouble at the borders.
I’ll do you one better, why was Admiral Necheyev
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What's the difference between a Phaser, a Phaser Lance, and a Mega Phaser?
Iirc Mega Phaser tech was banned by the Treaty of Khitomer, but I don't actually know what that means.
Ganymede maybe she was running security on some colony for awhile.
She’s the kind of Admiral that StarFleet needed at the time to face the Cardassians.
Too bad the Federation naively believed that everyone thought like them and could be talked into avoiding conflict.
They ended up paying dearly later on by sacking her and replacing the position with the more pacifist Nakamura.
The irony is, if StarFleet had let Nechayev give the Cardassians a royal spanking early on, they may not have gotten inflated heads and thought they could take on the Klingons, which helped set the stage for their alliance with the Dominion and giving the Dominion the foothold in the Alpha Quadrant they so desired.
The Cardassians didn't think they could take on the Klingons. The Klingons suck-punched them.
Not entirely true. The Cardassians got advanced warning of the invasion and established a battle plan to counter them.
But their entire strategy was based on having fought the Federation, so they assumed that the Klingons would fight the same way.
@@hisdudeness8328 Garak gave them enough time for a tactical response but not operationally. From DS9 to the edge of Cardassian Space is a matter of a few hours at high warp. Cardassia Prime is only 78 hours from DS9 at high warp. The timing in Way of the Warrior is such from the time Garak warns Dukat to the end of the episode is only 3-4 days. The Cardassian Fleet was not deployed to counter a thrust from the Bajor Sector. The only ships in the region belonged to the 2nd Order, the Order defending Cardassia Prime and the border militias. When Kira refers to the Klingons breaking through the Cardassian Fleet, she is referring to the ad hoc fleet of local forces the Cardassians barely had time to put together in about 24-36 hours, then saying the Klingons had an open road to Cardassia Prime which they could reach in 52 hours. Indeed, the Cardassians are lucky that the Klingons stopped to take the outlying colonies instead of heading straight to Cardassia Prime. It is also for this reason, that the Klingons hadn't advanced further than 24-36 hours from DS9, that Gowron was able to assemble a task force with the Neghvar to attack DS9.
The vast majority of the Cardassian Fleet proper was deployed to the rear of the DMZ several sectors away, roughly 25-35 light years. Even at Warp 8 it takes eight days to cover that distance. Garak's warning only gave the Cardassians enough to time to muster a hasty defense using only a small portion of their fleet. By the time the majority of the fleet arrived the fighting had stopped for a time which was also something of a blessing in disguise. This is why after the Klingons disavowed the cease-fire, and around the time the Klingons began their attack on the Federation the Klingons were no longer advancing into Cardassian space because the Cardassians had time to deploy their full fleet, and man their system defenses, which more or less reduced the front to static positions. That is why the Klingons began conducting commerce raiding and attacking isolated outposts as depicted in "Return to Grace."
She came across as villainous like most of the Admiralty in Starfleet, but far from. Very much a get it done character, came to respect her a lot more as an adult. One of the few good ones we got to see though most certainly a hard ass.
Not villainous, but somewhat antagonistic to our main hero characters.
I had pondered if Nechayev had any connections with Section-31, especially with her background with Starfleet Intelligence and her somewhat ruthless command style. But then I realised she'd have nothing to do with Section-31, because even if she agreed with them, she could never condone their methods. Section-31 operate outside the law, with absolutely no consideration for treaties or institutions. Their very existence strikes at the heart of her values and beliefs.
I think it's safe to say Admiral Nechayev wasn't aware of Section 31's existence by the simple fact that she wasn't actively hunting them down.
If she *was* aware of Section 31, then their agents would probably have to check under their bed at night to make sure she wasn’t there, waiting.
You mean 20 years younger than Picard.
She has a very certain type of face. Adversarial, and villainous vibes.
She is mother… and mother ATE!!!
a warhawk but calculated going to war when their is no other option
She a strike first and and ask questions later kind of admiral.and ruthless in doing anything necessary when it comes to protecting the federation and citizens abs defeating any threats to it.
Making a very bull head and relentless admiral, who didn’t play well with others in the fleet, though did get in with those who earned her respect like jellico, sisko and Picard
You just don’t mess with her!
Lore Reloaded said something a while ago that I still think best sums up my view of the Federation when it comes to war and that is that when the Federation needed the War Hawks it knew where they were and it got them into positions of power. When the Cardassians started getting fighty they switched in Jellico, when the Cardassians were in a tense peace they put a Veteran of Wolf 359 in command of a station on their front door with a man that fought alongside them as his engineer.
I don't like to think of the Federation having bureaucracy because it's one of those buzzwords that the rightwing loves to throw around about the left and we never actually see any example of bureaucratic tropes. Nobody is stuck filling in forms. The closest we get are oders by Captains to slow people down with legal but thorough searches or Odo complaining about how he'd like Sisko to let him run the station how he wants it, something Kira snaps back at.
I do think when it comes to the Cardassian Border Wars that you are forgetting the Elephant in the room. I'm fairly certain that it's explicitly mentioned at some point or at least implied that the reason the peace is a mess is that the Federation wants time to rebuild their fleet after Wolf 359. The peace with Cardassia bought them the time to develop and get those ships out.
Also, the Federation: Have sh!t load of starships in reserves and too many pacifists in charge.
@@bloodysimile4893 If you think the leftist utopia has too many pacifists in charge you do not know what star trek is and I do not like you
Nechayev wouldn't have been a fan of Jim Kirk.
Isn't Picard born in 2305? That would make Nechayev 20 years younger instead of just 10 years.
She may be loyal to the Federations principles, but she does seem like a perfect candidate for Section 31. A long family history of service to Starfleet. A background in Starfleet intelligence. Hawkish against the enemies of the Federation.
In the last Section 31 novel, I think it was the one where Picard has to head back home and face a Hearing on his role on Section 31's execution of Federation President Min Zife, there was an early chapter where Alynna Nechayev was trying to flee Federation Security because she got busted for working with Section 31 too.
@@ChairmanMo oh interesting. I wonder if this is cannon or not
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She girlbossed so hard that she hit Admiralty whilst Picard was still on the beloved Deep Dish Dirt Bucket that is the Stargazer
That Bucket had alot of life left in her.
Girlboss implies she got her position because of her gender. In the beta cannon she is her own person.
*sigh* i dont know other than a Cantankerous Admiral, I just wanna know what the hell bularian canapes are.
What will we say, we watched the show as boys or young men, Picard and Sisko were our independent heroes and that's why we didn't like it when some of their superiors came to reprove them. Like your mom scolding you for not cleaning your room.
She was a lover of Bolerian canape's
That is all that is really known.😂😂
She was not a nice person. She liked Captain Edward Jellico.
Sandy Duncan?
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Isn't she that purple haired female soccer player?
Romulans were kind of hard to work with because they are sneaky and usually have ulterior motives.
The admiral is like me because I fart in JARS and send them to my boss he thinks it's Jimmy from the Tech department👩🏼💻
Also one good point binged favour is that she never betrayed the federation she served by getting into bed with section 31 like her counterparts and fellow admirals ross and jellico
Picard was born in 2305, so Nechayev isn't 10 years younger, but 20 years younger than Picard....you didn't do your research correctly
Gets Picard captured on a poorly thought-out spy mission, stripped buck naked and tortured to near brainwash. She really hated him! But more seriously, she gave the Enterprise the very capable (and I would say more capable than Picard for the mission at hand) Captain Jellico.
Obviously, I fully appreciate Star Trek is a fictional story! Picard was needed for that plot, and Patrick Stewart's performance in 'Chain of Command 2' was excellent. But real world, you would think that sending in a trained intelligence operative (someone like Sloan) would make much more sense for that type of mission, rather than a Starship Captain.
She is a problem admital.not an d evil one but laws can be flawed or out right wrong.
I dont dislike the character but she like Jelico seem a little too wound for sound. Its loosen up guys. 😂
More human in my view.
So another Nepo baby...