Is U.S. Headed to National Divorce? | with King Crockoduck
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It's always easier to tear things down. Lego, sand castles, children's confidence...
Children's innocence…
The Sir Roger Scruton realization
It's called entropy, and apparently it's indeed not just about particles.
i don't care for your reckless apostrophe usage.
@@deenzmartin6695 It wasn't reckless. It was wreckless.
Ben, you're the man for bringing all these different guests on your show and largely letting them say their piece and adding in interesting questions here and there. Keep up the great work man!
13:13 Immigrant Parents perspective through their son.
15:03 10 year old Crocko completes Basic Circuit Work with his father. 22:56 Testing, Hands-On Experience, Application of skills/knowledge/abilities etc.
25:52 Worker Immigration
29:50 Fascism
34:55 Wokeness 37:42 are you reactive? are you grounded?
42:57 Beautiful Reflective Individual
43:40 Still a liberal
50:50 “I just run my mouth.”
56:49 Negation
• Critiquing Christian Creationism
• Critiquing Wokeness
• Teaching Physics
1:00:34 The Human Biographical Experience
+ providing something positive vs
- the judgemental perscriptive negitivity of wokeism (that you cannot change unless you want to be truthfully transfer your gender or become bisexual or any other pre-approved initiation ritual; don’t be caught wearing another culture’s clothing though, you bigot ^|£,*{‘a$.&:).
1:07:38 Crocko wants to talk to Carl Benjamin aka “Sargon of Akkad”
1:08:48 Naturalism, (the world’s patterns can be studied and understood?)
1:10:50 (Science > Religion, more truth less non-truth)
1:13:28 Rationality
1. Accuracy
2. Explanatory efficiency
3. Optimal Flexibility
4. Rational Coherence
1:16:56 Radioactive Seeds to treat Prostate Cancer Tumors
1:20:34 I say 2 weeks, it ends up being like 6 months
1:22:45 Wisdom, I could use some myself.
Ohhhh, so THIS is the best way to reply to youtube vids. Cheers Tat Time Stamp Guy
One day, there will be folk songs written about That Time Stamp Guy.
Legend!
Gracias tío
thank you!
Iodine 125, not 123, in case anyone's curious.
¿qué?
Love KC! 👍
My favourite thing about Crocoduck is how straightforward he is with his language. The $5 words are largely left at home and he just says what he's thinking in the plainest language available. Even his 1hr+ videos are pretty easy to follow all the way through. I'd love to see a conversation between him and Aydin Paladin.
Yeah he's toned. Not fat. Very lean word usage.
Fascinating as always - but deeply depressing
We don't need a national divorce, we just need Federalism. The Federal government has a very limited job to do, protect us from foreign invaders, build postal roads, and negotiate trade deals with other nations and insure that criminals who commit capital crimes can be hunted across state lines. The rest belongs to the states or the people. If California wants to go batshit crazy, like it is, it should be able to without taking Wyoming with it.
Power does have a tendency to creep upwards until the costs of that centralization are too great. When fedgov was able to replace tariffs with lucrative sources like income tax. At that point it has the money to do domestic programs itself or at least the power to force the states to implement their preferred policies.
King Crockoduck's WWII insight is very similar to Academic Agent's "Boomer Truth Regime" concept.
Love this interview.
Thank you both for this!! :)
What a lovely interview! Thank you both :).
Interesting listening to Crocoduck lament our current state especially as he spent considerable effort ripping away at the Christianity that provided a robust foundation for the freedoms we all used to enjoy.
Long live short sighted athiests stuck in premature conclusion.
Definitely
Look at the top twenty worst landlords list in New York City.
DO NOT comment on the names on that list.
Because that would go against UA-cam's terms of services.
Where would you find that information?
Lol, noticing things is antisemitic
List likely misleading. Based on number of complaints so bigger landlords look worse
How can you say Jew without saying Jew?
He's a proportionalist. I'm a floorist. There's a floor on which everyone can be equal, and above that is all proportional. It removes some incentive, but it also removes the worst random risks that can obliterate people before they get to contribute.
The first 8 seconds of audio had me wondering what the hell was going on! 😳
Would not listen to this guy again. Lots of arrogance and very little explanation to support it.
lure them into your theater with the promise of infinite butter but it's actually i can't believe it's not butter
Good show Benjamin . You are a beauty Benjamin ...
I want to join King Crockoduck's fitness club!!
"people need to stop being attached to symbols" good luck with that, you might as well ask them to not eat next...
Is the California exodus ideological, or just a financial decision? It's not clear to me. You can't "divorce" the nation without first moving the population, and I'm not certain that we've really seen ideological migration
People moving around within America has fallen. Or at least not enough moving to make a dynamic difference. But yeah, what do you do about the plethora of liberals living in conservative areas and vice versa. This is true. It's true because there's no lockdown on where people with there values can live in America. How do you divide up that
Born/raised in CA, now identify as an ideological refugee. Every native Californian I know would say we left largely for ideological reasons, and to a lesser degree, financially. Purely anecdotal, I understand.
@@natedoherty3462 But does it matter? As long as there is migration possible between the "nations", you'll see a sorting effect post "divorce". I might not agree with the speed limit, but it's not enough to make me pack up and leave. As the parts differentiate, the pressure to move becomes greater by both increasing the number of regulation you disagree with and by an increase in attractiveness of places with rules you agree with.
@Morgan Allen I never said it was a good idea - just that "look at conservatives stuck in CA" wasn't a good argument against it. The US can do what they wanna do - I'm European and I have different problems to deal with.
Would love to see you talk to Genevieve Gluck.
I second that!
I will work on this!
Great irony is that creationism is actually more scientifically valid than evolution. There is not some great spectrum of species between homo sapiens apes. Civilization seems to spring up suddenly along with homo sapiens.
Homo sapiens ARE apes. Also, homo sapiens (modern humans) appeared 200,000-300,000 thousand years ago, and until maybe 10,000 years ago there was nothing you'd recognized as "civilization". So, not so suddenly.
This is all so sad….. our own country didn’t invest in its own and even when realizing what they have done …. Still aren’t willing to do the right thing
i'd like to know crocoduck's take on next gen nuclear and nuclear energy generally.
I'm sleeping to this.
Croc 100% right about landlords.
I disagree. I think we need to make a distinction between the small, family landlord and the massive, corporate investment entity as landlord. Small landlords are akin to family businesses, and IMO these need to be supported the same as any other small business. On the other hand, I think we need to severely reign in the “rentier” class where it’s represented by banks, hedge funds, and corporations. Check out some of economist Michael Hudson’s lectures on this topic. He doesn’t necessarily make that same distinction, but we’re going to need to if we want to get from point A to B without too much bloodshed.
proportionist = classical liberal
equalist = communist
God is a hypothesis in a theory you can never see through but if you follow the way, you will see why it makes sense, which is faith, even if you just follow the logic on the morality.
His gym idea reminds me of the 19th century German Turnvereine (Turners).
BAPs idea. Imagine politics as as a gym.
There is no "ought". People are different. There is testing.
All these ways of reconstructing atheism are intellectual word plays to keep the cake and eat it too. The people engaged in this don't get how hard true, down to the core, humility is (many religious people don't either). Dealing with the absolute is done in absolute ways - and no other. It is unbelievably tough and it takes a lifetime of practice. Commitment to the absolute requires doing every little thing with the absolute in mind. That is the measure.
He wants a society with more or less Christian morals but like most atheists he doesn't want Christians to have any political power. He sounds just like the rationalist reforms of ages past. His system whatever it's called and whatever it's particulars will end up right back here.
I'm not sure I'm following the point you're making. Presumably, you're talking about the atheist community or something like that, but I'm not sure what cake they're having and eating too in this context or what that has to do with humility.
@@Aneurysmincoming they want to keep Christian Morals while trying to seperate them from the place those morals derive (God). It has already been tried many times, it never works because it is non-transferable to a large enough population group to have any reach or lasting effect (You can explain how you reached these morals in a long convoluted way and have the people in your coffee shop kinda sorta get it, but you will never reach more than a handful in a population size of millions).
I disagree with Croc about the importance of a degree in this labor market. I don't have one, but I have the practical skills and have never had a problem finding work. In fact, I get on average 2-3 inquiries a week on Linked-in for positions. I'd go as far as to say that with the rise of the IT economy, credentials are way less valuable than they ever have been since most of the work is practical in nature. Hell, not too long ago I hired a kid right out of highschool on the basis of the work he demonstrated on his web site over several other candidates, all of them with college degrees (one with a masters) because the highschool kid clearly knew how to do what we wanted for the job on the basis of seeing his actual work. What does spending 4 or 6 years in adult day care tell me about a potential employee?
Agreed. I think the cult of credentialism will soon be a thing of the past
You are partly right. IMO the issue is getting first job, that's where credentials matter
You disagree, but the statistics don't agree with you. People with any degree have higher employment rates and a lot higher pay than those who don't, on average. Which means that your own life is simply an outlier and you shouldn't base what the rest of society looks like on yourself.
@@Hooga89 I see both sides.
Higher pay stats based on population mainly who graduated in non woke era.
@@Hooga89 There is a litany of reasons why this might be and none of them are necessarily tied to any tangible benefit that the university itself provides. Another way to look at this situation is that graduation rates have soared 500% in the last 50 years. Either people are 500% smarter today than they were in the past, or possibly, the university has become so trivial that nearly anyone that bothers to participate can pass it.
Crockoduck failed his CRT class.
If you guys were familiar with Ken Wilber's integral theory, you would find a powerful basis for articulating the principles that the non-Woke world could easily rally around. Key point: the evolution of the self-aware individual has a long way to go, and the tribalist tide is an inevitable reaction to this cosmic project. America, a self-aware product of the 18th century enlightenment that grasped this, used to be a polity pretty bluntly dedicated to the achievement of this project. But these things take time, and so far we ain't there yet. Therefore the policy should be centered on promoting everything that supports mature individuation and rejects everything that undermines this evolutionary trajectory.
"America, a self-aware product of the 18th century enlightenment that grasped this, used to be a polity pretty bluntly dedicated to the achievement of this project." in your view when was this self-awareness lost?
@@Zidana123 Im only somewhat aware of Ken Wilber’s whole system but I think the idea is that most people today have progressed to either a modern or postmodern perspective, but get hung up and ‘stuck’. The way out is to think ‘Integrally’ (the whole point of the theory) and see every perspective as an incomplete but necessary step in the process of learning and growing. At the present moment maybe 10% of people think this way, maybe less. To answer your question we’ve probably been getting stuck in our current ways since at least 1945, or even the turn of the 20th century.
It appears like many people are sold a low-resolution version of the "freedom" at the heart of Americanism. Starting with the Millennials, the prevailing cultural powers inculcated the idea of freedom and rights without the proper emphasis on personal responsibility that must accompany these things. As a result, we have an entire generation (and at this point, Gen Z would be included here) that believes they can have freedom of choice without some necessary tradeoff and without signing-off on a contract of responsibilities from the individual.
I'm just getting started with the video. After 49 years, I left Kommiefornia last year.
36:00 "we need to avoid civil war at all costs"
Well then just quit, because if you are not willing to see this through to the end, don't bother starting. No separation of territory will be 100% peaceful, it never is, especially with one side holding federal power. Sure we can work towards a "peaceful divorce", but as the saying goes if you want peace, prepare for war.
I hate the term "Avoid at all cost" there are absolutely costs that Croc is not willing to pay to avoid civil war, just as there are for every other person. Too many people have the slave morality that violence is ALWAYS bad to deeply ingrained that they cannot see when it is just and moral that violence be utilized. Our founders clearly understood this when they set it up, liberty if you can keep it; The Tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Is a civil war good? no, but neither is it the worst outcome.
OK General LARP, thank you for your service
@@KingCrocoduck your comment only illustrates your lack of historical knowledge. Please cite a peaceful divorce in history. Then even if you manage to find one, I can point to a hundred violent ones. So maybe read some history books before you act like our current managerial elite and pretend to know everything.
Divorce? Yes, please.
Idk where I heard this. "tolerance is only benevolent when it is a tolerance of the person but never their principles."
This was an interesting conversation. I just have two major questions for King Crocoduck.
Firstly, I am following what KC is saying, and seeing what he is saying for most of this video, but when he alludes to national divorce I just can't see it. To me it seems absurd. To say "I know, let's dissolve the United States" seems to be a scorched earth solution, far worse than the actual problem. Also, along what geographical lines would the USA be partitioned?
Another question I have is, would it be possible for someone to be progressive leaning without being "woke" in this context? Is it possible for someone to believe in progressive leaning causes without being a radical constructivist? If so, what would this person look like? And would this person be welcome in the hypothetical fitness club? Asking for a friend.
Self Licking Ice Cream Cones...hehehe
"I really function best as a negative philosopher. I'm really good at taking apart bad ideas..."
Sounds like most of us!
The problem of national divorce is that opinions are not static and not neatly sorted into geographic areas. When they do become so, it's because they took on one of the functions of religion: heritability. That people are born into it and there are major barriers to apostasy.
The problem with the whole 'national divorce' idea is that the USA's (or the UK's) tribes do not correspond to geographical areas. Next door neighbors could be living in different 'worlds' based on their social media feeds.
I don't see any real solutions until technologies are developed to allow us to live separate lives within the same geographical area. The future is going to look like a Neal Stephenson novel. (Read Snow Crash or better yet The Diamond Age and tell me those were not prescient.)
That's because the language previously used to discuss this has lost its meaning.
You could just say the definition of woman or man has no meaning till surgery can implant a working female or male reproductive system. See how that line if argument works?
I here lots about 1984, animal farm, the trial, etc. Why is nobody talking about the lord of the flies?
See my channel’s opus bit.ly/evergreenstory
Focusing on the ideological divide between states ignores the primary issue in my view, which is the ideological divide between urban v rural and the continuous domination by the urban over the last century.
Yeah, every state is actually very purple with cities being more blue and rural areas being more red. Is Chicago going to go one way while the rest of Illinois goes another? A divorce looks impossibly messy. Even in the same area or family there are often high levels of divide.
Going by the first 3 minutes, where the proposition is there are 2 Americas, I'd like to point out that when talking about politics, you are talking about at least the leader and the followers. Unless you propose one faction's leader and followers are homogenous. Logic would suggest there are 4 Americas, each correlating to the 2 leaders and the 2 sets of followers. Having said that, you seem a mode3-mode4 type of understanding.
No, we do not know that the speed of light (in vacuum) is constant. That would require exploring the whole universe. We've only been looking at it on Earth in useful detail for a few hundred years. And we've got it all figured out now? Ludicrous. This doesn't mean Hovind is right, because he can't prove it either. But we know much less than we think. We must then base what's true primarily on what's useful. Constant light speed seems useful so far.
In my personal experience, non-woke gyms exist currently in the form of MMA and Jiu-Jitsu gyms
Does he know Dr Rollergator?
Yeah they’re like swamp buddies or something
I have a feeling the powers that be in that division would dub Washington state as a progressive paradise and I would have to go underground to stay in my beautiful home state.
i really hope this divorce does not happen I don't think it will because the split is artificially created by psychological warfare and is not very deep
Benjamin, interveiw Matthew Lohmeier.
One central problem with atheism is that as there are many competing atheisms with an ideology based on the thinking of a known person, there will be many different follower groups. Therefore, the "founder" of a line of thought becomes a guru or a prophet or whatever you want to call him/her - whether that person wants it or not. Now, is that not a religion then? I consider scientism a religion. With competing atheisms people choose their preferred group largely based on the personal charisma of the founder, because that is how people are. It is built in humanity that we are more attached to people than ideas; it is a survival feature. Only in adulthood we may develop an ability to distance from person attachment towards preferring ideas. But that is never absolute - because we often regress to earlier modes of behavior. It is deeply human to regress in times of stress. Christianity already has its prophet, Jesus Christ. It has spread all over the world and produced an enormous source of scriptures and culture. It took over 2000 years. So, see you in year 4000 or so and check up how atheism(s) are doing.;D
I much preferred Sargon as critic. I think he's pretty poor at constructing his new thing, and lot less fun too.
How sadly dangerous to be tolerant just because of a belief that everyone comes from and returns to the same god (despite the fact they will tell you directly that they don't).
Tolerance ought to come from humility and utility. Until you try something, you don't know if it's better. And you may never know if it's better FOR someone else.
44:00 "methodological naturalist" ! personal ureka moment ...
Crockoduck is spot on
I think divorce is just another addition to the ideas we already despise. Corporate media is already a horrible idea. Woke is a bad idea, divorce just adds to the bad ideas. I just think that national divorce is just another idea that should be put with the rest. It's dumb. Because, ya think it. You love it. Let's go with it, as an idea. Thus, it's another bad human made idea
What a completely empty string of non-sense. National Divorce is not going to be "An Idea" it is going to be an objective reality peacefully or not in the medium-term future, there are no bridges for compromise anymore (there never were, the Right just always gave up stuff to the Left and gained nothing). Without any unifying Cultural norms the very idea of liberal western civilization is going to desolve.
So we shouldn't offload responsibility of these "rights" to others who aren't the beneficiaries of the rights and yet you don't dislike or disagree with the ancaps and Rand. That seems like a really strange position to be in. You can't hold this idea and have your welfare state, however small or justified you think it could be.
48:00 BaB shining in the great chain of being.
Crocoduck speaks sense
No offence to the guy, but Croc really sounds like someone who loves to whiff his own farts. I have a hard time with his voice and tone. Purely subjective on my part.
3:46 equalists like in avatar Korra
3:30 myah!
Go MAGA.
four words four words
Polemics, ftw.
3:10 mow!
interesting.
39:00 atheism is for a positive value, it's for science, or alchemy, but also inteligence, technology and progress.
You can't have positive without negative.
@@Liisa3139 that's true, the negative is ignorance, and it's devil is christianity, bringer of darkness and the dark ages, burners of books, and holders of dogma, a sin in "atheism"
@@acuerdoxI mean inherent positive and negative.
@@Liisa3139 sorry but I can't understand what you wrote, you can't have inheret positive without inherit negative? inherit from whom? and what difference does it make wheter something is inhereted or not?
@@acuerdox Wherever there is something positive, there is automatically something negative. So, WITHIN atheism there will be also negative, in its essence proper, no matter how hard you try to frame it with all things positive and rule out the negative. The negative is not just negative found in comparison to things outside atheism, like in comparisons with Christianity. This applies to everything, as the mere concept of 'positive' includes the 'negative'. There really is a flip side to everything.
Snappy dresser :p
I’m here for the balkanization.
Come for the crockoduck. Stay for the balkanization
Start a gym lol
Starts out with a quote from a Jew, then the speaker eliminates the possibility of questioning the Holocaust narrative. Not an auspicious start. No matter that the guy just sounds like an insufferable douchebag. Still, I’m listening…
can' trust anybody who quotes a jew. RedFlagOduck!!!!!
KingCrocoduck is one of the few commentators to address how the Science Wars of the 1990s fits into the culture wars of today and is important because the 1990s is the last time the physical sciences weighed in on the culture war's intellectual roots with any seriousness.
There's stupid comments on the internet.
Then there's comments written by howling lunatics that briefly escaped from their padded cells to desperately express their fevered thoughts to the world.
Then there's comments made of random strings of characters because someone had a seizure while typing.
And then there's this.
@@KingCrocoduck I think he puked diarrhea on his phone and that comment is the result. Either that or a pathological loser, but it's one in the same
A brilliant observation from zen-sock-puppet ladies and gentlemen!