Man, this is a revelation. With Reaper’s new support of LV2 plugins, one can now MIDI-track pitches for free in Reaper! I still love ReaTune, but this is a nice addition to the toolkit.
Many thanks for the tutorial! Autotune is pretty much used on everything nowadays so having a FOSS autotune plugin is really important for music production
Another awesome lesson song and another awesome lesson. I love singing into a tuner to work on my pitch, and it turns out the GXTuner plugin has midi output, so you can also trigger instruments, and have THEM tell your ears how off you are. It's humbling most of the time, but occasionally it sounds freaking awesome.
Nice idea! I didn't know GX Tuner has MIDI out! That's like the next step - it'd be sonic pitch training, as opposed to visual. I should try that. I guess two in tandem would work best. I prefer x42-Autotune to a guitar tuner as the keyboard display gives me a better context.
Love this plugin. Very useful for the minor corrections that i need to do! Never knew about the sidechain midi connection, so i think it's time to make some hilarious noises now
Hi Unfa, thanks for your demo. In my experience this plugin is very useful in monitoring and correcting bass notes that are not spot, caused by to powerful hitting the bass string or incorrect intunated bass guitar (notes played high on the neck). For lead singing it is not very useful in my opinion, especially in an automated mode. Sometimes manually correcting a single spots. As you already mentionded, for monitoring the quality of the vocals it is a helpful tool. Much better though just record the lead vocals half a dozen times (or more) in one singing session of course, so you can choose the best parts. That is far less frustrating and more helpful in my humble opinion.
Thanks! Yes, Comping best vocal takes is definitely a better option if quality is a priority, and time and skills are plenty. If the vocalist can't get a good take though or you don't have time to record 12 takes and there just minor issues, it can be very useful.
Nice tutorial! The only thing that's keeping me from using these two regularly (x42/Autotalent) is because of the problems you brought up here. To anyone looking for an alternative while x42 finds the time to implement some formant corrections, I highly recommend the freemium "Graillon 2" for use in Ardour. It works wonders and is a great way to address formants when x42 just doesn't get you where you want. Happy recording! Peace out.
@@sirriffsalot4158 Thanks, i tried now. But i didn't get so good results like gsnap or mAutopitch. I think in graillon 2 the voice doesn't comes out natural... But i know, sometimes the problem sits in front of the pc :)
In renaissance polyphony, a steady tonic is maintained, and intervals are often made more pure than in more equal temperaments. In other words, maybe it would be more useful to start off from a meantone temperament default tuning, and edit out the exceptions. Some pitches are context sensitive.
I love the video !! But could you teach how to install the plunigs in arodur, since, I just totally switched to linux and had the Dragon reverb plugin and then I wanted to install it in ardor but I couldn't, can you teach a tutorial or share a video where you do it? ?? I would appreciate.
just copy PLUGIN_NAME.lv2 folder to the ----------> /home/USERNAME/.lv2/ folder you may need to create that folder in you're home directory, its starts with a dot. meaning its invisible
@@lds-libredesarrollodelsoft7423 for me this plugin crashes if I dont build it, but my not be the case for you. It's the whole folder fat1.lv2 for this one that you put in .lv2 in you home folder.
I'd say though none of the automatic tools can compare to actual human editing with melodyne I wonder why all the open source tools are only automatic and not manual
Interesting, usually people complain about the opposite :D You can completely manually pitch correct vocals with a pitch shifter like Rubberband (it has formant correction). It is difficult to do, and I would use x42-Autotune as a measurnment tool to see what is off-key and how.
What if you cascade autotalent and x42? Clarifying, what if autotalent takes out the wobble, then x42 forces the pitch to a note via midi? I guess you would have some kind of artifact, but maybe more subtle?
I don't thing that would work. However I have stumbled upon a new plugin called TalentedHack which is a modification of Autotalent. I haven't tried it yet, but it seems to be joining the best of both Autotalent and x42-Autotune minus the awesome user interface of the latter. Maybe someone could mash all of these together and come up with the ultimate Open Source Autotune plugin?
Is it possible to record a midi-track with x42-autotune's "suggestions" for me to adjust afterwards? I've tried adding a midi output to x42-autotune and set it as input to ACE Fluid Synth but it didn't recognize any notes when recording.
I am not sure I'd x42-Autotune produces a MIDI output. I think there are some either plugins that do though. Note that you can automate x42-Autotune's parameters to tweak the results. You can even add vibrato and pitch bends by automating the tune dial (IIRC the name correctly).
@@unfa00 voices are not meant to be tempered, this is something you will see on classic choral music. A Bb is not exactly the same as an A#. A chord played by a tempered instrument sounds different than the same chord sung by professional singers or even musicians on non-tempered instruments like violins, oboes, flutes and similar.
this being said... in the commercial music realm autotune / pitch correction seems to be the norm, even when it can make some singers sound worse ... sad state of affairs in the industry in my opinion, but when the trend gains steam and you want to sell you often have to follow the trend or people might not want to buy your music :( . Full disclosure: I am *not* a music producer nor professional musician, I just play some music and enjoy it.
@@unfa00 I was thinking, if one has formant correction and the other hasn't, chaining them could give both MIDI-guided pitch correction and formant correction... (but unlikely it will be smooth as I imagine :-D)
Sure! You'll need Carla to host the plugin and reroute signals. Disconnect system from PulseAudio and put your Carla plugins in between. You can do anything now!
In Manjaro there's a package called "x42-plugins". So you could install it with this command: pacman -Sy x42-plugins I don't know how it's in other distributions, but searching your package manager for x42 should probably let you find out.
Is by a soundboard you mean an easy way to play multiple sound files then... I think I would make one in Godot game engine for myself. It should be pretty straightforward. Create an array of buttons and make each one play a different sound. You could also create an SFZ instruments and play the samples with a MIDI keyboard. You'd probably need to mark your keys though. Now that I think of it I could make a tutorial about how to make your own soundboard in Godot... It kind of fits the topic of my channel :D
@@unfa00 yea I think that would work. I really just need to link all the files to a single audio channel, so that way it's easy to adjust. I've thought of using a drum machine program but I like your idea of a Godot module. If I could program I'd make a little GUI for myself but Godot is a great middle ground. A video would be dope but if it becomes to much trouble to get working or you don't have time then no pressure.
@@ToshaTumanov Ah. I think I have used it on Windows with success, but Ardour on Windows is still not as stable as Linux for some people. For me it worked perfectly fine, but I've heard that for some it just crashes all the time. Maybe you'd like to try Linux? ;)
It is rather simple and does not correct formants (that's the biggest issue IMHO), but for subtle correction it can do a good job, it's best utilized with some automation to dial in where you want to have the correction applied, and you can supply extra MIDI to make sure the tuning is correct.
@@arnoldmitterer9372 There is - Autotalent. There's also a plugin named Talented Hack, which is an improvement of Autotalent, but I wasn't able to test it yet.
Hey Unfa, thanks for all your hardwork to promote open source. As you mentioned, i would like to use x42autotune as a monitoring tool, the problem is that my voice isnt detected, the plugin doesnt seem to get any signal. Funny enough, when i record my voice and play the track, the plugin work. So, it take into account a recorded track but dont hear anything when just talking or singing without recording. Is there something specific to do when one want to use x42 as a monitoring tool ? Of course, the mic is plugged and i can record things with it inside ardour and nothing happens in x42 when i turn the input on (as you do in your vid). I am a complete noob as far as music production is concerned, so your vid and your help are great sources of knowledge. Thanks a lot ! My specs : focusrite scarlett 2i2, mic akg plugged to the scarlett, basic laptop, ubuntu studio 20.04, ardour 6.
You can also watch on PeerTube!
tube.netzspielplatz.de/videos/watch/29a62df4-69cf-4632-a76b-31d2dba94bb1
Im using peertube a lot lately thanks to newpipe, thanks for sharing it too bruh
Man, this is a revelation. With Reaper’s new support of LV2 plugins, one can now MIDI-track pitches for free in Reaper! I still love ReaTune, but this is a nice addition to the toolkit.
Open Source A+, Linux A+, Ardour A+ Keep up the great work Unfa. Great tutorial on the X42 Autotune. Looking forward to more great vids!
Thank you :) I'm not running out of topics anytime soon!
Many thanks for the tutorial! Autotune is pretty much used on everything nowadays so having a FOSS autotune plugin is really important for music production
Another awesome lesson song and another awesome lesson. I love singing into a tuner to work on my pitch, and it turns out the GXTuner plugin has midi output, so you can also trigger instruments, and have THEM tell your ears how off you are. It's humbling most of the time, but occasionally it sounds freaking awesome.
Nice idea! I didn't know GX Tuner has MIDI out! That's like the next step - it'd be sonic pitch training, as opposed to visual. I should try that. I guess two in tandem would work best. I prefer x42-Autotune to a guitar tuner as the keyboard display gives me a better context.
Cool T-shirt by the way!! And thx for the tutorial !
Thanks! I want o put this and some other designs I made online so people can order them for themselves or download and print their own :)
@@unfa00 Great idea!
Love this plugin. Very useful for the minor corrections that i need to do! Never knew about the sidechain midi connection, so i think it's time to make some hilarious noises now
I^m glad to see the idea in such a nice design for that beautiful t shirt ! Saludos desde México! (nice video btw :)
Man.. thanks. Again. Great tutorial.
Hi Unfa, thanks for your demo. In my experience this plugin is very useful in monitoring and correcting bass notes that are not spot, caused by to powerful hitting the bass string or incorrect intunated bass guitar (notes played high on the neck). For lead singing it is not very useful in my opinion, especially in an automated mode. Sometimes manually correcting a single spots. As you already mentionded, for monitoring the quality of the vocals it is a helpful tool. Much better though just record the lead vocals half a dozen times (or more) in one singing session of course, so you can choose the best parts. That is far less frustrating and more helpful in my humble opinion.
Thanks! Yes, Comping best vocal takes is definitely a better option if quality is a priority, and time and skills are plenty. If the vocalist can't get a good take though or you don't have time to record 12 takes and there just minor issues, it can be very useful.
Here's my other video about x42-Autotune, where I use it for a psytrance vocal lead effect:
ua-cam.com/video/2I-8ZFflOmU/v-deo.html
Thanks for the tips it will come in handy whenever I want to do vocals in my music
Thanks and good luck :)
Never used this plugin but will from now on. Cheers. I'm using Mixbus 32C on Ubuntu Studio.
I'm glad I could help!
Nice tutorial! The only thing that's keeping me from using these two regularly (x42/Autotalent) is because of the problems you brought up here.
To anyone looking for an alternative while x42 finds the time to implement some formant corrections, I highly recommend the freemium "Graillon 2" for use in Ardour. It works wonders and is a great way to address formants when x42 just doesn't get you where you want. Happy recording!
Peace out.
Supports Graillon midi with sidechain too? Or only audio tracks?
@@arnoldmitterer9372
I believe you can sidechain it :-)
@@sirriffsalot4158 Thanks, i tried now. But i didn't get so good results like gsnap or mAutopitch. I think in graillon 2 the voice doesn't comes out natural... But i know, sometimes the problem sits in front of the pc :)
Love your work ! Thank you !
Wow! Thank you!!!
Excellent video. Thanks!
Very helpful tutorial! Thanks!!
In renaissance polyphony, a steady tonic is maintained, and intervals are often made more pure than in more equal temperaments. In other words, maybe it would be more useful to start off from a meantone temperament default tuning, and edit out the exceptions. Some pitches are context sensitive.
ua-cam.com/video/XhY_7LT8eTw/v-deo.html
Truly great video. Are you aware of any plugin to detect guitar or keyboard chords in real-time, that could be used as MIDI equivalent ?
18:56 I saw that joke coming from a mile away, yet I still laughed hahaha
:D
grande... semnpre interessante
Great tutorial, thank you!
Thanks! My pleasure :)
thanks for the guide
You're welcome!
Unfa es el mejor , GRACIAS GRAAAAAAAAACIAS
Thank you very much, this is an excellent tutorial.
Thank you! You're very welcome :)
great tutorial !
thank you !
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
Awesome, thanks.
I know it's old as crap but what about Talentedhack? Doesn't it support midi input and formant correcrion?
I've just found out about it and haven't tried it yet. It seems like it could be the best among these, except for no nice user interface.
@@unfa00 the interface is the only reason I haven't really played with it either
17:06 😂🤣
:D
i love your tutorial lot.can u plz make a tutorial for songs covering in Ardour.
YES YES YES
Do you know some autotune plugin for Reaper? LV2 for example..... I can't find it
Always set your filter to Medium Rare
I think gsnap is also a good plugin for this. Supports midi too.
I have heard about it, but I haven't tested it!
Has their been a feature request for the formant correction
I love the video !!
But could you teach how to install the plunigs in arodur, since, I just totally switched to linux and had the Dragon reverb plugin and then I wanted to install it in ardor but I couldn't, can you teach a tutorial or share a video where you do it? ?? I would appreciate.
just copy PLUGIN_NAME.lv2 folder to the ----------> /home/USERNAME/.lv2/ folder
you may need to create that folder in you're home directory, its starts with a dot. meaning its invisible
@@marbangens does the plugins complete folder or do I have to put a specific file ???
@@lds-libredesarrollodelsoft7423 for me this plugin crashes if I dont build it, but my not be the case for you. It's the whole folder fat1.lv2 for this one that you put in .lv2 in you home folder.
I'd say though none of the automatic tools can compare to actual human editing with melodyne I wonder why all the open source tools are only automatic and not manual
Interesting, usually people complain about the opposite :D
You can completely manually pitch correct vocals with a pitch shifter like Rubberband (it has formant correction). It is difficult to do, and I would use x42-Autotune as a measurnment tool to see what is off-key and how.
@@unfa00 i'd say I tend to prefer manual correction because it is much more versatile
But I never found something as good as melodyne
how to realtime use calf vocoder to distort speech unrecognizable will ya?
What if you cascade autotalent and x42? Clarifying, what if autotalent takes out the wobble, then x42 forces the pitch to a note via midi? I guess you would have some kind of artifact, but maybe more subtle?
I don't thing that would work. However I have stumbled upon a new plugin called TalentedHack which is a modification of Autotalent. I haven't tried it yet, but it seems to be joining the best of both Autotalent and x42-Autotune minus the awesome user interface of the latter. Maybe someone could mash all of these together and come up with the ultimate Open Source Autotune plugin?
Is it possible to record a midi-track with x42-autotune's "suggestions" for me to adjust afterwards? I've tried adding a midi output to x42-autotune and set it as input to ACE Fluid Synth but it didn't recognize any notes when recording.
I am not sure I'd x42-Autotune produces a MIDI output. I think there are some either plugins that do though. Note that you can automate x42-Autotune's parameters to tweak the results. You can even add vibrato and pitch bends by automating the tune dial (IIRC the name correctly).
Wouldn't the microtonal actually be meant for acapella music to get pure thirds?
I don't know, I've never been playing with the microtonal functionality. I usually see that used for other tuning systems than 12TET.
Will you tell me how to get autotune in linux for audacity
How did you scale the plugin? All I have found when I google is posts saying that it's not possible
Hmmm. I am not doing anything special - as you can see.
@@unfa00 is it specific to that plugin....? I couldn't get it to work on some others
AFAIK all of x42 plug-ins are resizable. Though not all provide the scaling option accessed via right mouse button.
well... hearing the raw version: you do not really need autotune :) .
I am flattered, but the raw recording is far from perfectly in tune :)
@@unfa00 voices are not meant to be tempered, this is something you will see on classic choral music. A Bb is not exactly the same as an A#. A chord played by a tempered instrument sounds different than the same chord sung by professional singers or even musicians on non-tempered instruments like violins, oboes, flutes and similar.
this being said... in the commercial music realm autotune / pitch correction seems to be the norm, even when it can make some singers sound worse ... sad state of affairs in the industry in my opinion, but when the trend gains steam and you want to sell you often have to follow the trend or people might not want to buy your music :( . Full disclosure: I am *not* a music producer nor professional musician, I just play some music and enjoy it.
Can you use both x42-autotune and autotalent, feeding the output of the first to the second, or viceversa?
Why not? I am not sure what the result would be.
@@unfa00 I was thinking, if one has formant correction and the other hasn't, chaining them could give both MIDI-guided pitch correction and formant correction... (but unlikely it will be smooth as I imagine :-D)
Hey unfa, can I use x42-autotune to pitch my voice when doing a live call in real time?
Sure! You'll need Carla to host the plugin and reroute signals. Disconnect system from PulseAudio and put your Carla plugins in between. You can do anything now!
You don't tell how to download x42 autotune in linux
how do you install this package on linux ?
In Manjaro there's a package called "x42-plugins". So you could install it with this command:
pacman -Sy x42-plugins
I don't know how it's in other distributions, but searching your package manager for x42 should probably let you find out.
@@unfa00 thanks for the reply Unfa. i just unpacked it and placed the files in the lv2 folder and it worked!
Do you know a good sound board application? I'd like to pair it with pitch correction to troll in games and discord.
Is by a soundboard you mean an easy way to play multiple sound files then... I think I would make one in Godot game engine for myself. It should be pretty straightforward. Create an array of buttons and make each one play a different sound. You could also create an SFZ instruments and play the samples with a MIDI keyboard. You'd probably need to mark your keys though. Now that I think of it I could make a tutorial about how to make your own soundboard in Godot... It kind of fits the topic of my channel :D
@@unfa00 yea I think that would work. I really just need to link all the files to a single audio channel, so that way it's easy to adjust. I've thought of using a drum machine program but I like your idea of a Godot module. If I could program I'd make a little GUI for myself but Godot is a great middle ground. A video would be dope but if it becomes to much trouble to get working or you don't have time then no pressure.
Honestly I liked it more without the autotune.
just sing in tune
Absolutely. Just sing in tune.
how about just sing it right
It dont work. It close my ardour. Bullsh
Does the plugin crash Ardour for you?
@@unfa00 i dont know. No error, no logs, nothing. Ardour close. It fckn windows, it no plugin
@@ToshaTumanov Ah. I think I have used it on Windows with success, but Ardour on Windows is still not as stable as Linux for some people. For me it worked perfectly fine, but I've heard that for some it just crashes all the time.
Maybe you'd like to try Linux? ;)
@@unfa00 i used linux. But this plugin dont work as windows. U understand?
@@unfa00 it not ardour bug. It bad your plugins
x42-autotune is not so good...
It is rather simple and does not correct formants (that's the biggest issue IMHO), but for subtle correction it can do a good job, it's best utilized with some automation to dial in where you want to have the correction applied, and you can supply extra MIDI to make sure the tuning is correct.
@@unfa00 is there a plugin, that corrects also formants like Melodyne?
@@arnoldmitterer9372 There is - Autotalent. There's also a plugin named Talented Hack, which is an improvement of Autotalent, but I wasn't able to test it yet.
X42 autotune is nithing for trap
What does "nithing" mean?
@@unfa00 nothing*
Just sing correctly.
Hey Unfa, thanks for all your hardwork to promote open source. As you mentioned, i would like to use x42autotune as a monitoring tool, the problem is that my voice isnt detected, the plugin doesnt seem to get any signal. Funny enough, when i record my voice and play the track, the plugin work. So, it take into account a recorded track but dont hear anything when just talking or singing without recording.
Is there something specific to do when one want to use x42 as a monitoring tool ? Of course, the mic is plugged and i can record things with it inside ardour and nothing happens in x42 when i turn the input on (as you do in your vid). I am a complete noob as far as music production is concerned, so your vid and your help are great sources of knowledge.
Thanks a lot !
My specs : focusrite scarlett 2i2, mic akg plugged to the scarlett, basic laptop, ubuntu studio 20.04, ardour 6.